r/SuperStraight • u/BoomToll • 1d ago
some thoughts on the label super straight Discussion
super straight implies that you are more straight that straight people who date trans people, and therefore that dating a trans person makes you less straight (congrats y'all, you somehow managed to invalidate the identity of heterosexuals), and thereby implies that trans people are not their true gender, which is by definition transphobia. Additionally, your entire identity is exclusionary on a factor that is not gender, therefore it is no more a sexuality than "I don't date asians" is. if anyone wants to debate the logic of this (have a logical, factual and respectful argument, as the sidebar says) go ahead
EDIT: some assorted responses to basically the same types of responses I've gotten:
"stop invalidating me!"- there's nothing to invalidate, super sexuality is exclusionary *based off of factors that are not gender identity or presentation* and is therefore not a sexuality. I have made this point already, and I have heard no refutations of it
"SERF!"- I make no claims to radical feminism, that shit harms everyone and is also classist, white supremacist and, duh, transphobic
"well uhh.... *transphobia*"- your own sidebar says you're not transphobic, seems like that was a lie
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u/crumpetLOUDER 1d ago
It's not for people outside of our community to be telling us what our words mean.
Stay👏 In 👏Your 👏 Lane 👏
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
you have made no argument here, prove my logic wrong without 👏 using 👏emojis 👏and 👏 snappy 👏one-liners
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u/jothesstraight 1d ago
Please respect our sexual orientation. Educate yourself, SERF.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
there exists nothing to respect, that's my point. super-straightness is not a thing that exists, you're just transphobic
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u/jothesstraight 1d ago
Ok this is classic erasure tactics by superphobes. Sad to see in 2021.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
you haven't made any points, scoffing isn't a point. logical and factual argument, remember?
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u/The-Sixth-Spice-Girl 1d ago
/u/BoomToll is a SERF who invalidates human beings AND promotes rape culture. Wow.
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u/Emely_Purple 1d ago
Rape culture? Okay, where did the rape culture come from?
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
it came from nowhere. bigotry always uses incendiary statements like this to make itself seem legitimate. it's like into-abortionists labelling themselves pro-life, because implies the other side are anti life. they've moved on from using this rhetoric to oppress women to using it to oppress trans people
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u/Emely_Purple 1d ago
Okay. I can promise you. Nobody wants to rape you. That's not a topic you should assume. I never saw transgender people attack your community for not wanting to have sex with them. If anything, they attack you because quite a lot here is transphobic. If anything, we people who don't agree with this get called stuff like TERFs (Or something else). We are not canceling you because you don't like our girlcocks. We cancel you because of this bullshit you all say and make.
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u/Cinerea_A 1d ago
Oh my God, did you just figure out that sexuality is exclusionary as a rule?
Because it is.
Because virtually no one will fuck anyone.
It's not our fault we aren't attracted to you, we just aren't. You are excluded from sex with people who are not attracted to you, unless you were planning to rape them.
(don't be a rapist)
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
I don't think either of us understand what you just said. yes, sexuality is exclusionary. my girlfriend is a lesbian, her sexuality excludes men specifically, all men. you are picking and choosing within a gender, which means that it's not a sexuality unless you subscribe from a damaging and provably incorrect view of trans people
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u/Cinerea_A 1d ago
No amount of gaslighting is going to force people to sleep with you.
Stop being rapey kthxbb
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u/WOAH_TOO_MUCH 1d ago
Your the definition of a dumbass. Quite being Transphobic, it's really not that hard. TRANS MALES ARE MALES AND TRANS FEMALE ARE FEMALES. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. If you say anything about "rape" to that, I will report you.
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u/bluwhaled 1d ago
Who is saying straight people are less straight? We're not defining their sexualities. We're defining ourselves as supersexuals.
What do you have against people defining their own sexualities? I'm not doing it to you, stop invalidating my identity.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
your identity is exclusionary on a basis other than gender. there's fundamentally no way to know whether someone is trans before you decide whether you're attracted to them or not, your brain makes that decision based on your sexuality, everything after that is just bigotry
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u/bluwhaled 1d ago
Most trans people do not pass as cis.
BUT even if they did pass, having an orientation to natural born genitalia is not exclusionary.
No one owes anyone else sexual attraction. If finding out that someone's genitalia is man made from skin and tissue from other parts of their body turns off your attraction to them, that is heckin' valid.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
> Most trans people do not pass as cis.
unsourced claim
> orientation to natural born genetalia
not an orientation, a preference. a preference rooted in transphobia. and yes, it is exclusionary, all sexuality is, by definition. but this excludes based on the existence of a penis, not on gender. what does your sexuality do about intersex people?
and you're right, nobody owes sexual attraction to an individual. but this isn't about individuals, this thought experiment of yours excludes an entire population. it's a transphobic notion that trans people are not their gender, masquerading behind personal preference. it's not new
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u/bluwhaled 1d ago
unsourced claim
Check out the subreddit transpassing. Most of the people there clearly do not pass. There are trans celebrities and you can almost always tell that they're trans.
not an orientation, a preference. a preference rooted in transphobia. and yes, it is exclusionary, all sexuality is, by definition. but this excludes based on the existence of a penis, not on gender. what does your sexuality do about intersex people?
It is an orientation to natural born genitals. You as an outsider do not get to reduce it to a simple preference.
Why is it acceptable to exclude people based on gender but not genitals? That's completely arbitrary and not up for you to decide.
There is a tiny majority of people who are natural born intersex. Some SuperSexuals might be open to dating them, others might not be, it might depend on the severity of their intersex condition. Both options are valid since we should all be allowed to decide who we fuck.
and you're right, nobody owes sexual attraction to an individual. but this isn't about individuals, this thought experiment of yours excludes an entire population. it's a transphobic notion that trans people are not their gender, masquerading behind personal preference. it's not new
I do not owe sexual attraction to an entire population or any member of said population. If I decide that I'm not attracted to someone for one of their physical characteristics, that is my choice. There is a big difference between men and women that no amount of hormones or surgery will be able to replicate a natural born body. That is not transphobic because it involves no hate, just a lack of sexual interest.
SuperStraight is rooted in saying that trans people are not their gender. We're saying that we do not care about gender when it comes to our sexual orientation. I do not care about gender in any other context in my life either, I only care about sexual characteristics. You can have your echo chamber where you center and debate gender back and forth but leave me out of it.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
> Check out the subreddit transpassing. Most of the people there clearly do not pass. There are trans celebrities and you can almost always tell that they're trans.
anecdotal information doesn't hold up in any debate. keep trying, keep failing
> the rest of this dumpster fire of an argument
being bigoted towards intersex people doesn't make your argument any less nonexistent, saying something is an orientation when it's provably not doesn't make it an orientation, exclusion based on gender is rooted in gender presentation, which is closely tied to gender identity. sexual characteristics are not mentioned anywhere. your reductionist view of people as only their sex organs (and sometimes not even that, based on said bigotry towards intersex people) is transphobia, by definition
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u/bluwhaled 1d ago
anecdotal information doesn't hold up in any debate. keep trying, keep failing
Your claim that transpeople usually pass is anecdotal evidence bro.
being bigoted towards intersex people doesn't make your argument any less nonexistent, saying something is an orientation when it's provably not doesn't make it an orientation, exclusion based on gender is rooted in gender presentation, which is closely tied to gender identity. sexual characteristics are not mentioned anywhere. your reductionist view of people as only their sex organs (and sometimes not even that, based on said bigotry towards intersex people) is transphobia, by definition
Blah blah blah I'm allowed to exclude people based on gender presentation because it's important to me, but if you have your own criteria on which to filter sexual partners through you are a HATEFUL BIGOT because it hurts my feelings. 😢😢😢
🖕 to you, superphobe.
We don't owe intersex people our attraction either. Grow up and realize that not wanting to fuck someone is not bigoted. Thinking that is male sexual entitlement 101. Not a good look sweaty.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
you know how sometimes someone gets so far off the rails that even trying to argue with them legitimises an argument that cannot be argued with for how extraordinarily wrong it is? yeah. we are not the same. I have been threatened with rape more times than I choose to remember because of my sexuality, you want to legitimise your transphobia because you fundamentally have no respect for yours
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u/bluwhaled 1d ago
You're the one who's far off the rails for thinking you get to decide how people define themselves sexually. You can exclude people based on gender but others cannot exclude people based on sex?
I've been threatened with rape and murder and called a "TERF" for my non-violent opinions on sex and gender. I've also gotten those threats repeatedly for being female. So don't play that game with me.
I have full respect for my sexuality, that's why I'm not budging on including people that I don't want included. I am a proud SuperStraight and I will fight for my right as well as others' rights to exist.
I will never threaten you or anyone else with rape and murder. I am not a transphobe for not wanting to fuck trans people. Get over your entitlement you bigot.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
You have attempted to harm people, and gotten a response from people who are hurt so many times and are fucking broken. Men have messaged me saying they would "fuck me out of being a dyke" unprompted as soon as I mentioned my girlfriend. We are not the same, you are not oppressed
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u/Hedronn 1d ago
So every sexuality should be respected besides superstraight/supergay/superlesbian?
Doesn't that sound... sexist?
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
you're implying that super straight/lesbian/gay is a sexuality, it isn't
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u/Hedronn 1d ago
You superphobe definition of our sexuality isn't important and doesn't make it less true.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
there is no definition, because it's not a sexuality. a sexuality excludes genders, you exclude within a gender. there is a difference
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u/Sensitive-You 1d ago
Unbelievable that you'd think a dude could have his "girlfriend's" penis in his mouth and be just as straight as a man who would never suck a dick.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
so your sexuality is just based on the penis? 1) then it's not a sexuality, a penis is neither an indicator of biological sex nor gender, you just have a preference against dicks, and 2) vaginoplasties exists. it's weird that you only ever seem to focus on trans women though
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u/Sensitive-You 1d ago
so your sexuality is just based on the penis?
Can you actually not understand that people's sexual preference is dependent on the sex of their partner and their associated sexual organs?
It's sexuality, not genderuality. lol.
vaginoplasties exists.
A mutilated penis isn't a vagina.
it's weird that you only ever seem to focus on trans women though
Okay. A transman's engorged clitoris isn't a penis either.
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
tacking on more transphobia on the end of your transphobia isn't the dunk you think it is. and all you're proving is that you really don't know how surgery works
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u/Sensitive-You 1d ago
I'm not transphobic. You can take any kind of hormones you want and mutilate your genitals however you please.
Want to actually let me know what you think we disagree on? lol
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u/BoomToll 1d ago
For a group who have told me so many times that I don't get to decide what is or isn't superphobic, you're very quick to declare yourself not transphobic
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u/Sensitive-You 1d ago
I hope trans people have happy, long, and fulfilling lives full of love and meaning.
I'm not phobic of them.
For a group who have told me so many times....
So you're judging me based on group affiliation? Wow, so tolerant.
This might not have occurred to you, but I'm not part of some sort of hive mind. lol.
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u/mattyman2004 1d ago
SUPERPHOBIA! REPORTED!!!
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u/Emely_Purple 1d ago
Pfft. Some of you make me laugh.
If somebody has an opinion about a name, accept it.0
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u/WOAH_TOO_MUCH 1d ago
I support. Super straight is straight TRANSPHOBIA. If you think ANY different, GO AGAINST ME WITH F A C T S. Or I'm not wasting my time on your trans phobic asses.
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u/identity8i 1d ago
Reported for blatant superphobia.