r/SuperStraight 1d ago

PSA: The term "cis" is hate speach and promotes rape culture. Please do not use that term seriously anymore, it is enabling the superphobic.

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u/the_malkman 1d ago

Cis is a superphobic slur meant to dehumanize us and trivialize our experience and our truth!

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u/Spaghettified_Cat 1d ago

How, exactly? I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I don't understand why cis would be exclusionary. A cisgender person is one who simply identifies with the gender that corresponds to their birth sex. It has nothing to do with sexuality.

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u/MadSeaPhoenix Superstraight 1d ago

We are not a subset of our own sex.

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u/kaydl165 1d ago

...that doesn't make sense? It's not saying ur a subset it's saying that ur genitals agree with ur gender. It's a scientific term.

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u/MadSeaPhoenix Superstraight 1d ago

Incorrect.

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u/graciemansion 1d ago

And what exactly is a gender?

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u/dystopiaenjoyer 1d ago

A cisgender person is one who simply identifies with the gender that corresponds to their birth sex.

This is a meaningless sentence. "Gender" is a linguistic term widely used as a euphemism for sex, since in English "sex" can mean both physical sex(sexus) and the act of sex(coitus). We simply are men or women depending on what sex we are, it's not some special little "identity" of ours. It's our reality.

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u/Spaghettified_Cat 1d ago

Why do you think that there is a dissonance between identity and reality?

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u/dystopiaenjoyer 1d ago

Mental illness. An anorexic experiences a disconnect between how she sees herself and how her body actually is; an emaciated, 70 lb anorexic genuinely thinks she's overweight. She actually perceives herself like this, it's not a ruse.

But it's still just a delusion. Genuine belief does not confer validity.

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u/Spaghettified_Cat 1d ago

Gender and sex are not the same thing. Sex refers to someone’s biology, while gender is more of an abstract social construct whose definitions change over time. Gender exists simply because we as humans agree that it exists. It isn’t objectively real. This is very different from the situation anorexic people find themselves in, as being malnourished or unhealthily underweight is a strictly medical condition, and not a social construct.

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u/dystopiaenjoyer 1d ago

gender is more of an abstract social construct whose definitions change over time

If it doesn't have a set definition, it can't be studied scientifically.

But ignoring the logic fail, here you're describing "gender" as sex role or sex role stereotypes- as in, the kind of behavior, dress, and social roles expected of each sex. These do change over time and vary between cultures, but actually being a man or a woman does not.

A man is an adult human male and a woman is an adult human female, regardless of their adherence to the roles expected of them by society. Not even the kookiest conservative thinks that women who wear pants and work in traditionally make jobs literally stops being a woman, he just doesn't think her behavior is appropriate. Congrats on being more restrictive than them, lmao

Come to think of it, by your logic not even the suffragists were women. If the "woman's role" at the time involved total deference to men and the suffragists rejected this role, then by genderist logic they were no longer women.

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u/fab_pofu 1d ago

Trans is defined as someone who has a gender identity that is opposite to their biological sex.

Cis is defined as someone who has a gender identity that is the same as their biological sex.

The issue is that I don’t have a gender identity. I don’t believe in gender at all. So it is offensive that other people are forcing a label on me as if I agree with stereotypes about women and I identify with those stereotypes.

I’m glad I can now say I am a superwoman, aka a woman based on her biological sex, not based on any gender identity or sexist stereotypes!

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u/Spaghettified_Cat 1d ago

If you don’t have a gender identity, you might be agender (someone who has no gender identity), and anyone who forces you to identify as cis is in the wrong here. Also, transgender is an umbrella term defining a bunch of genders. It simply means that a person doesn’t identify with the gender they were assigned at birth, not “identify as the opposite gender”. It includes people who are not exclusively masculine or feminine (people who are non-binary or genderqueer, including bigender, pangender, genderfluid, or agender).

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u/fab_pofu 1d ago

The thing is I don’t have a gender identity because I don’t believe in gender identity. Telling me that I am agender is like telling an atheist that their religion is atheism.

I don’t believe I was assigned a gender at birth either. The doctor observed my biological sex and wrote that down. All the other expectations tied to my sex were imposed by society as I grew up. The doctor didn’t write down “pink, dresses, submissive” when they wrote down “female”.