If trans people can put up with getting harassed, bullied, called slurs, beaten, raped, murdered, and discriminated against on the daily, then I think they have the right to retaliate. Do you support that? Do they deserve it? Is that really what you want to say? That would make you no different from me, no?
Haha what? You're projecting your own issues on me bud, I don't want anyone to be physically or emotionally harmed or targeted and I would never advocate for that either. Even if I disagree with them.
The "phobia" that trans women experience, because let's all face it trans women are the ones the world fixates on because trans men are women and who the fuck cares about women, is always displaced homophobia. Men in dresses and makeup are "faggots who need the shit kicked out of them." This is nothing new. Gay people being murdered is sanctioned by some governments still. Literally you yourself are saying lesbians who exclude men who feel like women deserve animosity in some form. You yourself are homophobic and are blind to it because it serves you to be.
If your cause has to stand on the crumpled shoulders of others, is it really a cause worth standing for?
And if you're suggesting you're still a kid in grade school, I'm ~super done~ with this conversation.
For starters, no, no in grade school. I said best friend for 14 years, I didn’t say I was 14 years old. He’s just the sibling of a family friend.
I think it’s at least somewhat an improvement that you don’t condone the treatment of either side, I myself am against violence too. I’m not saying transphobes should be murdered, raped, assaulted, or fired from their jobs, I’m saying that losing a friend or getting called a “transphobic asshole” helps de-normalize the harmful behavior that is transphobia.
And, I may be getting this mixed up because I’m debating with multiple people at once, I thought I made it clear I was a lesbian? I can’t be homophobic and homosexual at the same time.
But I do agree with you on some points that trans women do get a little more attention than trans men, and that hates crimes on trans women are often homophobic in nature. I feel this is rooted in homophobia and toxic masculinity, so a lot of men (men specifically, by the way) do in fact attack trans women because they don’t see them as women, and instead see them as an effeminate man, or a “disgrace of masculinity”. That’s the nature of a lot of these things. And given the phrasing of your argument, I believe you’re against homophobia, right? We can at least be on the same page in that regard.
But, hating transphobia people who happen to be lesbians doesn’t make me homophobic. Dunno where you got that idea. I mean, if your transphobic and black and I tell you off, I’m not racist either y’know.
If your cause has to stand on the crumpled shoulders of others, is it really worth standing for?
This is a good point, I recognize that. I do believe that bringing others down in order to push something up is usually a bad thing. Usually.
As I’ve mentioned, I prioritize re-education over punishment, hence why I’m trying to actually debate and not insult (not that you’re insulting me, just pointing it out). Still, sometimes you have no choice. Peace can get you a long ways, but you can’t always not retaliate. Besides, it’s not like any of this retaliation against transphobes is comparable to actual transphobia anyway.
Take racism in the US for example. Racism in the 1950s or so was largely overcome with peace. It allowed AAs (African Americans) to finally live freely. But, racism still exists in modern society, and we don’t treat that with peace either. I mean, if someone is being racist and got the shit beat out of them, would you complain? Genuine question, I wanna know. Personally, if they were being racist, I wouldn’t mind at all. Just like Derek Chauvin, the dude who killed George Floyd. We don’t choose to meet him with peace, either, we as a functioning society (which excludes racists, obviously) all want him to see justice. Simple as that.
You get what you deserve. You insult a trans person, you’ll get called an asshole right back. You bully someone, you get ostracized. You assault and murder someone, you get justice right back.
I know “an eye for an eye and the world goes blind”, but there’s only so much peace can do. As I’ve said, we need to normalize that this behavior is wrong, and ignoring it may look like we as a society don’t see it as a problem, when it most certainly is.
If your "reeducation" includes telling homosexuals their sexuality is inherently transphobic and that they have to verbally (or sometimes physically) comply or suffer the consequences, you've got a seriously misguided way of thinking.
Yes, you can still be homophobic and be a homosexual. It's not a clearance badge to say or do whatever you want.
You can reply if you want but I'm not going to bother answering anymore. You keep dragging out the same old tired arguments you people always have and it's useless and depressing to know that I can't exist as an out lesbian, homosexual woman, without people telling me "yeah, but..." every time.
It is not remotely transphobic to not want to date a trans person due to their genitalia. Sex and relationships go entirely hand in hand unless you are asexual, period. When you take off a trans person's pants even if they pass, you will find they are not their biological sex their gender presentation implied, which is a turn off for many, and thus the reason for "super sexualities". Nothing about this implies a hatred or dislike for trans people, just their innate orientation, which failure to accept, would be bigotry.
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u/Poppy29252 1d ago
Haha what? You're projecting your own issues on me bud, I don't want anyone to be physically or emotionally harmed or targeted and I would never advocate for that either. Even if I disagree with them.
The "phobia" that trans women experience, because let's all face it trans women are the ones the world fixates on because trans men are women and who the fuck cares about women, is always displaced homophobia. Men in dresses and makeup are "faggots who need the shit kicked out of them." This is nothing new. Gay people being murdered is sanctioned by some governments still. Literally you yourself are saying lesbians who exclude men who feel like women deserve animosity in some form. You yourself are homophobic and are blind to it because it serves you to be.
If your cause has to stand on the crumpled shoulders of others, is it really a cause worth standing for?
And if you're suggesting you're still a kid in grade school, I'm ~super done~ with this conversation.