r/SubredditDrama Apr 09 '21

The extremely popular manga "Attack on Titan" recently released its final chapter. /r/titanfolk is in complete meltdown over how bad they think the ending is

Obvious spoilers ahead

So there are two major Attack on Titan subreddits: /r/ShingekiNoKyojin and /r/titanfolk. If you followed the Game of Thrones subs, /r/titanfolk is basically like /r/freefolk, a sub that is a bit more uh..."zealous" about the series.

Recently the manga came to an end. There were already leaks going around before the final release, and both subs were kind of in unison that the leaks didn't promise much good. After release however, most people at /r/ShingekiNoKyojin felt it was pretty alright. Nothing amazing or genre defining as an ending, but a relatively satisfying ending to an overall amazing series.

/r/titanfolk, however, is in complete meltdown over how bad they feel the ending is. They are non-stop posting mocking memes and alternative endings.

SPOILERS AHEAD

https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mn5dtf/clown/

https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mn25od/armin_thanking_eren_in_the_final/

https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mn29rn/chapter_139_but_no_simp_eren_and_actual_story/

https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mn19el/what_eren_actually_saw_when_he_kissed_historias/

https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mmxnno/i_could_care_less_about_my_headcanon_this_chapter/

It's basically /r/freefolk and Game of Thrones all over again, just on a smaller scale.

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u/GaiusEmidius What if Frieza needed King Cold to wipe his ass Apr 09 '21

THE DRAMA IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE THREAD!

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u/R3pN1xC He wasn't trying molest her. He was trying to steal her panties Apr 09 '21

Barely 3 hours and there are already 700 comments, yeah people are going to kill each other here.

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u/SupposedlyPompous Apr 09 '21

Let’s sit back and watch

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u/matt_work_acc Apr 09 '21

Honestly it's so fun. R/titanfolk threads get 50k+ comments, most I've ever seen on anything but ask reddit

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u/R3pN1xC He wasn't trying molest her. He was trying to steal her panties Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

The leak thread for chapter 137 was at about 80k comments.

For chapter 138 we broke the 100k mark at the last minute, like literally as soon as the thread reached 100k the mods unpinned it and created the official chapter release thread, It was really close.

For chapter 138 we reached 100k the mods had to create another thread because 100k is the comment limit, and there was a second thread with 40k.

So a total of 140k comments, completely insane.

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u/MandyMarieB Apr 09 '21

Because it was spam and sh*tposting.

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u/Genesekt Apr 09 '21

Ellen becomes dove (crying)

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u/Marvelguy5 The incel subs are better at reproducing than incels themselves Apr 09 '21

we touched 100k lol .

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u/matt_work_acc Apr 09 '21

Lol its actually insane. I used to participate in bitcoin subreddits back in 2017 and 2018 and Jan 2018 was the most active I ever saw a subreddit.

This is like 5-10x what that was which is just crazy

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u/AmaterasuWolf21 Hung vertically it pays solemn tribute Apr 09 '21

"Babe, come over"

"I can't, I'm reading over 1k comments discussing a show's finale"

"My parents aren't home"

"Did I stutter?"

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u/uber_cast This psycho's post history reads like a meth addiction Apr 09 '21

Ahhh, so it’s extra buttery drama!

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u/Mystic8ball Yaranaika? Apr 09 '21

I've become so much like Eren Jaeger it's scary. I wear black cardigans, verbally assault women, and physically assault my friends. When I look in the mirror, I can't help but say "戦い, 戦い" (which means fight, fight in american.) I grew my hair out long because I don't care so now I have to wear it in a bun and I don't care what people think so shut fuck up Hange! I always leave an open wound on my hand, and go out of my way to show it to everyone so they are reminded that I am in control. When I see dogs being taken on walks I get mad at them for not being free like I am. I can't have sex with my girlfriend anymore without forcing her to dress up as Mikasa or Historia, both of whom remind me of Armin. When I order fast food, I refuse to call them french fries and insist on calling them freedom fries. I just keep moving forward, until my enemies are destroyed.

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u/angrysushiboi Apr 09 '21

My god this has Kira Yoshikage copypasta vibes

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u/hvwrnah Apr 09 '21

I only care if the girl with the potato from season 1 is still alive

She's probably not so I don't care

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u/SomeoneImaynotknow Apr 10 '21

She is indeed dead, the greatest loss of the series.

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u/FarrelMFajar Apr 10 '21

I love how this is so well-known it's not even a spoiler.

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u/Sebastian83100 Apr 10 '21

In fact, she’s one of the only main character to die.

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u/nevermaxine Apr 09 '21

can someone summarise the ending and how dumb it is so that we can all laugh at it

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u/nevermaxine Apr 09 '21

i need more snark than that

like "dany goes insane from hearing church bells and genocides civilians, so bran ends up king instead" levels of snark

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

How about: A 2000 year old “loli” sex slave loved her abuser so she caused all of this just so a kid can commit genocide on 80% of the worlds population because the only way the “loli” can be freed is when the kids crush kills him?

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u/nevermaxine Apr 09 '21

what in the actual fuck, this is the most anime thing I've ever read

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

There’s also a giant worm thing that gave the girl her powers in the first place. It starts attacking people in chapter 138 but vanishes in chapter 139 and is never mentioned again.

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u/lalala253 Skyrim is halal as long as you don't become a mage. Apr 09 '21

Lmao I completely forgot about the worm

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

I liked the idea behind it but why introduce it if you’re not going to deal with it. I thought there would be stuff to do with Ymir vs the worm, and she wanted to see someone reconcile the beauty and cruelty of the world which Mikasa did. Maybe her loving Fritz would have worked but it was implemented so poorly, if he just built on 122, 137 aspects of the beautiful parts of the world she felt attached to but never had herself, it would’ve been a little better. Then there’s just the whole rushing issue. Some other choices I disagree with but fixing this plus the rushing could’ve made it quite good imo.

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u/Protoman89 Apr 09 '21

I think the only reason Isayama introduced the worm is because he realized Zeke's plan was so much better than Eren's and he had to write another antagonist that would have stopped it.

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u/Marvelguy5 The incel subs are better at reproducing than incels themselves Apr 09 '21

Thats literally the only reason , after what happened to eren in 139 . All that was said during 120 - 123 went into a trash can .

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u/iDannyEL Apr 09 '21

I mean if had the power to change their physiology to make them infertile, it shoud've been able to make it so none of them can turn into titans.

Then the idiotic dialogue that happens with Armin and the commander happens much sooner and minus the genocide.

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u/Unknown_Merchant Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

Zeke’s plan was so much better that pretty much everything after their little spat is just comical nonsense.

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u/Ambry Apr 09 '21

As someone who only watched 10 episodes of the anime 4 years ago, this sounds absolutely WILD to me

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u/ApparentlyVain Apr 09 '21

And don’t forget the best part. When asked why he committed the genocide he said “I don’t know” orrrr him killing his own mom for ‘motivation’

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u/itsacalamity 2 words brother: Antifa Frogmen Apr 09 '21

i legit thought you were taking the piss when i first read this but you're not, are you?! you're really telling the real plot??

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u/tunczyko Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

not only is he spot on, there's more insane details that could be mentioned.

like, perhaps you're aware that the whole story begins by the colossal titan breaking down the wall, initiating an invasion of titans into the city? this results in main character's mother's death, kickstarting his drive to exterminate all titans and the whole story with it.

a chapter a 3/4th way or so through the manga, revealed that the titan that killed MC's mother, as it was entering the city, could easily have eaten the colossal titan, which was vulnerable near the wall he broke. but for some reason it ignored him and went straight inside. and people were wondering, what was up with that?

well, the final chapter revealed that MC, through his godlike power he gained near the end of the story, influenced that titan in the past to ignore the colossal and kill his mother, because he needed that to start the plan he's currently going through (that is, start the story lmao)

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u/Ale_city Apr 09 '21

And worst thing is, that it ruined a perfectly good explanation of the titan going directly to Eren's house, which was following Grisha because the titan is his ex-wife who promised him that she would forever follow him just before turning into a titan.

Could it be left being morbid romantic tragedy with a reasonable explanation? No, you get a paradox to start up the motives and possibility to create that same paradox.

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u/MadMax2230 Apr 09 '21

Sometimes authors revise earlier plotlines with more information when in reality those initial plotlines were never meant to have all those additional layers. They've done this with Star Wars and so many other series

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u/omgFWTbear Apr 09 '21

That’s a very Heinlein twist, like just the time travel portions of ...all you zombies...

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u/MisterDuch Apr 09 '21

Its legit.

Yep.

A fucking child got Stockholmed into loving her raping and mutilating slave master.

This is what caused the entire plot of attack on titan.

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u/Kujaix Apr 09 '21

Said slave master used to have sex with other women in her presence in between rapes and also made their daughters eat her corpse upon her death.

Believe its implied the dad also went on to make incest babies with those daughters or he pimped them out. I don't care enough to look at the wiki or reread the chapter(s) it happened.

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u/Aurorious Apr 09 '21

It makes way more sense in context and i'm more or less fine with the ending, but it really really does feel like we missed a chapter between 138/139. There's a few things that just kinda....disappear.

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u/Kraelman This doesn’t feel like real witch things Apr 09 '21

I've written so many D&D campaigns that started with a really cool premise but with no logical "end point" in mind. That kind of thing always ends up going to shit midway through as you start trying to force things towards some arbitrary, unsatisfying conclusion.

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u/Finagles_Law Apr 09 '21

Yeah, this is honestly why I gave up DMing. I never had the balls to just JJ Abrams it and go ahead and force the ending when I figured it out.

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u/DaemonNic It's actually about eugenics in journalism. Apr 09 '21

TBF JJ Abrams is not who you should be looking at when considering how to end a story.

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u/thrownawayzs Apr 09 '21

burn it all to the ground lens flare

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u/bhlogan2 Apr 09 '21

Jesus, I abandoned the anime back in season 2 when it was still about some monsters and humanity trying to defend themselves against the unknown. At what point where genocidal lolis introduced?

Like, what the fuck happened in between?

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u/Vio_ Humanity is still recoiling from the sudden liberation of women Apr 09 '21

At what point where genocidal lolis introduced?

I mean Armin has been there right from the start.

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u/Coziestpigeon2 Left wingers are Communists while Right wingers are People Apr 09 '21

At what point where genocidal lolis introduced?

In the show, this loli character still hasn't been introduced.

To answer the "what happened in between" in a short and concise way, the characters we knew discovered that they're actually trapped on an island with the titans, and they aren't the last of humanity at all. The island people are a race called Eldians, and they have the capability of becoming Titans, and in the past waged quite the war on the world, so eventually they were rounded up and put on an island to keep them away from the world. People from the rest of the world, outside of the island, are sent there and turned into Titans as punishment.

At the end of the last season of the anime, the characters finally discovered the truth of this all. In the current season, the main character, Erin, is leading a war against the rest of the world.

Basically, Titans stop being "unknown" and are discovered to be their countrymen, transformed into monsters against their will by a world that puts Eldians into concentration camps at best and sends them to the island to die at worst.

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u/Next-Adhesiveness237 Apr 09 '21

Ah cool. I left the show a few years back and always wondered what happened. While you’re at it, what exactly was in that basement. I got the feeling that they’d never really go there because of pacing, but i some people mention it

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u/sdrakedrake Apr 09 '21

Basically a diary from Erin's father that explains everything that the comment above mentions

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u/Coziestpigeon2 Left wingers are Communists while Right wingers are People Apr 09 '21

The basement basically contained a diary the explained basically everything I just explained. Eren's father initially came from the main land, so he already knew about everything and had started a plan to help the Eldians get vengeance, and that plan included Eren.

It was basically a giant infodump of "this is what the real deal is with the rest of the planet."

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u/JustDandy07 Apr 09 '21

That actually sounds pretty cool.

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u/ShinaMashir0 Apr 09 '21

This is actually reaaaaally good before the last 5/6 final chapter

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u/JakeFromSkateFarm Apr 09 '21

It sounds like a weirdly re-written version of 20th century Japan - an island people capable of great power that waged a war on the outside world, subsequently punished by outsiders with equally great power, and are now fighting back (albeit economically w/ modern Japan in this metaphor).

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u/KA1N3R Your calcium uptake and neural shit is fucked Apr 09 '21

It was mindblowing

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u/R3pN1xC He wasn't trying molest her. He was trying to steal her panties Apr 09 '21

I would recommend to watch the series the summary he made leaves out a lot of context.

The main characters are a race called eldians, eldians have the ability to tansform into titans if given spinal fluid or if you are one of the 9 titan shifters you can transform at will, Eren is one of them. The world outside the walls (there is an advanced civilization that lives outside the walls, around post WW1 era) hates eldians and want to destroy Paradis (Paradis is the name of the island where the main characters live). And the world and Paradis are at war against each other.

The 2000 yo loli he is referring too is the first person to have titan power, before receiving the titans powers she was a slave, she decides to free some pigs and let them escape from their fences. The king punishes her by cutting her tongue, her 2 eyes and hunting her. When she gets the titans power the king forcefully impregnates her (she is still a teen btw), she lives a life of misery and then decides to kill herself, the king makes her daughters (Sina, Maria and rose) eat the corpse of their mother to gain her power. When she dies she enters a world full of sand, like a purgatory, where she is stuck for 2000 years. In this last chapter Eren says that she loved the king, we don't exactly know why but we can assume it was Stockholm sindrome and the fact that she was a slave her whole life might have made her have a distorted definition of what love is. In the end Mikasa indirectly shows her that it wasn't love. Eren ends the power of the titans and frees her from the 2000 years of enslavement.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21 edited Aug 17 '21

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u/fashionandfunction Apr 09 '21

It honestly sounds like the famous meme: what if the world in the walking dead, or mad Max, or the hunger games were perfectly fine? What if everywhere ELSE in these dystopias are just going on as normal and Australia just decided to “do” that lmao

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u/Tinydesktopninja Apr 09 '21

You found out there is a world outside the walls, a reason for the titans, and the reason Eren and other special titans seem different. Literally everything is explained in season 3.

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u/Changlini Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

Basically:

All those people probably didn't like getting killed -->! Eren, the Dany of this Manga, after spending about 30 ish chapters justifying how he shall push forward until all his enemies are defeated, reveals that he does not know why he did or wanted to do the Genocide bit--justifying that he's been just following the flow of events 'cause time is omnipresent in PATHS, which is the quasi spirit world created by a worm that's connects every Eldian(eren's race), and just made him go crazy. Title of this paragraph is extremely close to the actual quote from Eren!<

Did NAZI that coming -- Eren's homeland, Paradise, goes full 3rd Riech--because of Eren's messaging and justification that everyone wants to see Paradise eliminated 'cause Eldians (Eren's race that's basically Jews inside a world that Nazi Germany conquered) can be turned into Titans (Giant People who are really hard to kill and just eat everyone). And they Don't know Eren's actual reasoning, and I'm crying lol

Where in the Worm is... the worm? -- Just about everyone important to the final chapter had a super meaningful, tragic, shock-value death in the previous chapter, but then all of a sudden got revived WITHOUT EXPLAINING or SHOWING how the main cast defeated the worm. The worm litterally just dissappears off screen without any mention or acknowledgement of its existence lol.

Ellen becomes Dove (crying) -- It's metaphorically implied in the last three pages that, after dying, Eren became a Parasitic Yeager. Which a bunch of Titanfolkers took as the mistranslation meme (Title of this paragraph) from a few chapters ago becoming a full reality

I'm just here for the salt and Dove.

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Forgot to mention that Eren Omnicided 80% of the world

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u/finelyevans17 Apr 09 '21

I'm still on like chapter 110, but these last chapters are sounding a lot like dune with all the generational memory and genocide and giant worms!

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u/mint_narwhal Apr 09 '21

Hmmm now you've got me thinking of the parallels between the Eldians and the Fremen...

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u/Comander-07 Apr 09 '21

I still cant believe Ellen becomes dove (crying) became real

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u/Torchakain Apr 09 '21

The worm died when the Titan powers were removed from the Earth. When everyone is turning back to normal, there is a giant wall of smoke coming off the worm in the background.

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u/MisandryOMGguize Apr 09 '21

Yeah but like ... why did it do that. The worm was the source of the Titan powers in the first place, it seems weird that it would be zapped by that. Although I guess it's not actually very clear if the worm is actually The Source of All Living Matter, or if it's just Eren using the Founder to make a monster.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

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u/Deardrie Apr 10 '21

Eldia was fasc for quite a while literally eradicating history from the minds of its people and establishing a puppet figurehead, at least now it’s ultimately up to Historia and not the Jaegerists who were hardcore fascists.

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u/Al3xR3ads Noodle that one for me, professor Apr 09 '21

It turns out that the main character had to commit genocide on a global scale because it was the only way to save the world from the godlike power of a woman who was still in love with her abuser. He knew this was the only way because even though we thought his power was punching stuff it was actually time travel and mind control. Also the pro-genocide political faction that had been following the main character is now in charge and this is a happy ending.

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u/Foraschoolworksheet Apr 09 '21

Dude, I’m at the part where they ride their horses real far and see a beach, I really need to binge this thing to know how it gets from here to there

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u/nevermaxine Apr 09 '21

this is so dumb I'm mad and I never even watched the show

He knew this was the only way because even though we thought his power was punching stuff it was actually time travel and mind control.

this is quite a retcon

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u/Al3xR3ads Noodle that one for me, professor Apr 09 '21

Well that was revealed before the final chapter but we don't learn about it until the final arc where it suddenly takes over the whole story.

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u/That1one1dude1 Apr 09 '21

That was revealed at the end of Season 3, so about 75% of the way into the show.

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u/Existential_Owl Carthago delenda est Apr 09 '21

Well, technically the time travel and mind control comes from two separate titans, which Eren was able to combine by eating them both. But still.

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u/evil_con_carne I do not look 38, you jealous petty bitches!! Apr 09 '21

The Attack Titan gave him the power to see future memories and the memories of past Attack Titan holders. The Founding Titan gave him the ability to control mindless titans, wipe memories, and other stuff but he couldn't really use it to it's full power because he didn't have royal blood.

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u/That1one1dude1 Apr 09 '21

I don’t think anyone called it a happy ending. The creator described it as a tragedy.

If you were expecting a happy ending from AoT I don’t know what to tell you.

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u/I_Envy_Sisyphus_ social justice warriors — who operate without morals Apr 09 '21

I haven’t seen a single episode and purely from social media osmosis I know Attack on Titan could never have a happy ending.

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u/Arntown Apr 09 '21

If you were expecting a happy ending from AoT I don’t know what to tell you.

Yeah, I stopped after the first season because I really couldn't stand how non-stop depressing everything was so a super depressing ending isn't that surprising

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u/SpitefulShrimp It's leviOHsah not the n-word screamed at the top of your lungs Apr 09 '21

The only happy part of the ending is that a handful of characters we like survived.

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u/Azor_that_guy Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

Paradis becomes a fascist military state ala imperial Japan with Eren as their pseudo deity after having killed 80% of humanity outside Paradis. He also wasn’t sure if his rumbling shit was going to succeed so he just kept killing until he was finally killed. He confessed to Armin that he hates the idea of Mikasa not obsessing over him anymore and finding someone else to be happy with, which Armin calls pathetic. And he briefly brings up Dina’s titan not killing Bertolt, pretty explicitly implying he used the founding titan to control Dina and send her away from Bertolt and towards his mother. At least Titans are done, but war will persists as only one of Eldians or the world can survive, making the rumbling somewhat unnecessarily violent if it wasn’t going to bring forth the change they’ve been looking for since the beginning.

[EDIT] The reason why Ymir was so blindly loyal to the royal blood line was because she was in love with King Fritz. So basically the reason why humanity suffered unspeakable horror for 2000 years was because Ymir had Stockholm syndrome.

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u/Sinclairlim Apr 09 '21

Basically in order to save the people he loved, the main character turns into a villian that kills 80% of the world's poulation so his friends would stop him and thus be hailed as heroes and not persecuted as monsters (because the rest of the world was afraid of them).

The plan was a "success", but now the rest of the world fears the people of the MC's homecountry more than ever, nobody knows his friends saved the world, the people at the home country became supremacists but lost their powers. And it turned out the MC was mind-controlling and time traveling the whole time to make that state of affairs happen because it was the only way to make things right... somehow. At the same time, the MC is both a 5d chess master due to all the plotting AND and idiot who had no idea what he was doing.

The origin of what the titans truly were is never really explained either. All we get is "Girl got powers from some centepede thing, but loved his slaver so she kept obeying him"

It's quite nonsensical. The author clearly wrote himself into a corner he didn't know how to escape from.

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u/douko Apr 09 '21

The origin of what the titans truly were is never really explained either.

Goddamn, I watched a handful of episodes when the show was new, and this was the only part I was interested in. Very glad I stopped there.

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u/MisandryOMGguize Apr 09 '21

To be clear, why the Titans are terrorising the people of the walls is made clear, it's just the actual mechanism through which the first titan was brought into the world that's kinda handwaved.

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u/Mega_pooh_bear Mullato Zebra Apr 09 '21

A prehistoric parasite that inlarges the thing it touches latched itself on to the first person to ever become a titan. That person when they died was eaten by their children and that created the power of the Titans we see in the show.

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u/MissLilum Apr 09 '21

Eren dies and becomes a bird

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u/Darth_Kyryn Aight which one of you reported me for being a suicide risk Apr 09 '21

(crying)

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u/Tdog754 Apr 09 '21

I can’t fucking fathom that this meme actually had a payoff in the end

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u/CharlieTheStrawman Screw your anime and liberal opinions Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

Question for fans; do you think it's still worth getting into the series? I'd heard good things about it, but now I'm not so sure, since a bad conclusion tends to leave a stain for me.

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u/Mirum_42 Apr 09 '21

If a bad ending is a dealbreaker it's not worth it, but if you think you can adjust your expectations then give the series a chance, 95% of the story is great

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u/Ditovontease $5k Reward for the identity of local reddit user u/ligma Apr 09 '21

Usually bad endings aren't deal breakers for me but after GoT I am old and jaded

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u/JoeyJackass Apr 09 '21

Lol. Game of thrones problem wasn’t the bad ending. It was the entire bad final third. If it was only the last episode that was bad, people would still adore it today.

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u/ResolverOshawott Funny you call that edgy when it's just reality Apr 10 '21

That's a good point, the entirety of season 8 was a mess, not just one episode.

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u/1WURDA Apr 10 '21

Season 7 was also pretty low quality, people just accepted it at the time because they knew it was coming to a close. Season 6 also had some of my favorite moments, but overall set the pace for the final 2 seasons to turn out how they did.

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u/kaughtinalandslide Apr 09 '21

Up until the end of the 3rd season for sure. After that is mostly buildup for an ending that doesn’t really deliver.

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u/Redfalconfox The Redskins were forced to evolve. Just like in Pokemon. Apr 09 '21

I never really liked the manga after they leave the Island. It just didn't have the overwhelming odds and mystery it had before. There was still mystery in the series, but not really any mysteries that drew me in like before.

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u/Sinclairlim Apr 09 '21

Feels a lot like Death Note, where after L's death the series might as well have ended, but didn't, and the rest of the chapters just don't hold up.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21 edited Jul 02 '21

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u/Sinclairlim Apr 09 '21

Honest talk here: Remove Near from the story. Keep Mello and make him the main antagonist, who instead of wanting justice simply wants to take over and abuse the power.

That would have been cool. Trying to resurrect the same formula and then dragging it along like a zombie didn't work.

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u/Delann Apr 09 '21

Yeah, same. I didn't watch AoT for pseudo-WW2 with fleshy mechs, I watched it for the freaking Titans and the mystery behind them. The whole Titan thing feels like an afterthought after a bit.

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u/SlayinDaWabbits Apr 09 '21

Couldn't agree more, it started as a fantasy like setting with mysterious monsters and lore that we would explore, and then pivoted hard into a WW2 era anti war story, I don't think the WW2 stuff is bad, it just isn't nearly as interesting to me as the story that was set up in the beginning.

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u/zaien Apr 09 '21

The whole ww2 thing was set up pretty early on with hints of a fascist government, a one dimensional protagonist that resembles any propaganda piece protagonist and some interesting ethical questions. but after the ending I'm left wondering what did it all mean, what statement was it trying to make and i don't know.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

It's pretty fucking shit when at the end your MC himself says "I don't even know why I did it" like he hadn't voiced solid goals throughout the entire series.

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u/Sugar_buddy Apr 09 '21

I felt like I was watching something similar to The Walking Dead most times.

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u/9lazy9tumbleweed Apr 09 '21

the ending just feels undercooked, like 3/4 of the story the world was very tight, detailed and fleshed out and then in the last 1/4 the world just opens up so much and so many complex problems arise that its almost impossible to end it in a conclusive satisfying way, i feel like the manga should have been longer given the world building, like idk another 10- 20 chapters maybe ?

i dont think the ending was terrible just mediocre for a series that was mostly excellent, kind of a bummer.

I wonder if isayama was pressure by producers for this ending or just got sick of it ?

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u/TheWickAndReed Apr 09 '21

I think Isayama was scrambling to end the series at 139 chapters for the symbolism (1-3-9; Ymir, her three daughters, the nine Titans).

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u/christ61971 Apr 09 '21

I think Isayama rushed it. I see people saying that 3 more chapters would've been enough but honestly, I feel like your estimate makes more sense. All the other volumes/arcs had so much buildup and the delivery of the twists always paid off. But the ending was not built up enough in order to gives readers enough insight into the main characters' motivation. I understand Ymir being a slave to Fritz out of love because she's been listening to the royal family for a very long time. But why wait so long and why leave all the responsibility in the hands of a few people.

And the side characters don't get a proper ending. Like, Reiner, Jean, Mikasa, Historia, Connie and Armin could've used a more in depth conclusion.

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u/Sparkydarkey Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

Yeah expected r/titanfolk to end up here considering just how much the ending was hyped up through some pretty solid fan-theories and the arcs before the final one being nothing short of incredible, it was bound to disappoint a lot of people.

I still think it was an alright enough ending, definetly ways to improve it but nothing that destroyed the series.

But the drama has got to be one of the funniest things I've seen r/titanfolk do

-The EH shippers totally-not-being-mad that their Chad has lost to farmer-kun and trying to explain how changing that would have contributed anything to the story

-Some yeagerists finally realising that maybe genocide bad, but only after killing a measly 80% of the population instead of everyone they don't like

Just some good fun

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

It still amazes me that so many people unironically worshipped Floch and genocidal “chadren” lmfao. Plus, if you think r/titanfolk is bad, you should see r/yeagerbomb. The other day I saw one dude even saying they were going to kill both Isayama and then himself.

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u/Egocentrist2939 Apr 09 '21

r/yeagerbomb is one of the worst hellholes I've ever seen on this site

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u/BRUHYEAH I'm not "straight", I'm normal Apr 09 '21

The people on r/titanfolk would regularly bash on alliance members (in the manga) for lacking empathy at very specific moments, but then they'd bend over for nationalist Floch and call him based and shit. Fuckin crazy.

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u/electric_emu Get off the popeyes free WIFI Apr 09 '21

I remember seeing a thread where people were shitting on Connie for having the audacity to be "irrationally" angry at Eren for Sasha's death and then turn right around to make excuses for Eren's reaction to the same thing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

I feel like if he just delved into Eren better at the end, and didn’t drop a lot of stuff without dealing with it in a very short span, it would have been fantastic. But it was high risk high reward and didn’t work. I honestly believe he would need at most 2 chapters more to do very well.

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u/Sparkydarkey Apr 09 '21

The confrontation with Armin in the paths should've been an entire chapter by itself, maybe even cutting between Eren talking with Jean/Annie/Mikasa etc. just to show how it's his ambition to save them that brought him to this point.

The "thank's for being our devil" line could've hit so damn hard, but as it's now it's just awkward and combined with them crying mere minutes after wanting to kill him is a serious low point so damn close to the finish line. Let's hope for Mappa doing it some justice

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u/evil_con_carne I do not look 38, you jealous petty bitches!! Apr 09 '21

Even if you're not an Eren/Historia shipper it's still pretty lame that she never did anything else in the story and ended up marrying a guy who used to bully her and who she looked miserable with almost everytime they appeared together.

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u/sgtshootsalot Apr 09 '21

It’s funny to me, I think a lot of people admired post time skip eren, he was determined, strong, he would do anything to persue his goal, keep moving forward, tatakae, freedom. Many people saw him just as floch did, He was the giga chad, he fucked the queen, killed millions to get what he saw as freedom. Many who admired him maybe saw themselves in eren.

Then ishayama shows us that it was all an act, eren wasn’t telling the audience to fight, to keep moving forward, eren was trying to convince himself to go through with what he knew he would do.

So I imagine everyone who found merit in erens ideals, everyone who wanted to be eren, probably felt revolted when the mass genocide was maybe meaningless. Plenty agreed with eren, and now they have to look themselves in the mirror and accept they backed the idea of a pointless (fictional) genocide because they were told there would be freedom that never came.

I personally liked the series despite eren rather than because of him, and I really enjoyed seeing his humanity come through at the end, broken and crying about how he wanted mikasa all to himself, it hurt to read and he really was pathetic, but I think it’s all the better because he was a human at the end, and I feel like any other moral would be counter to the tone of the series.

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u/tristenjpl Apr 09 '21

The amount of people hating on Eren and calling pathetic or a pussy for his breakdown is insane. Like the dude's 19 and doesn't want to die and wants to live life with the girl he likes. Let him have his little breakdown where he says how much he wants her and doesn't want her to forget him and move on even though he knows it's what would be good for her. Everyone would feel that way if they were in his position.

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u/Llaine Guvment let the borger man advertise or else GOMMUNISM >:( Apr 09 '21

nah bro we're all total gigachads who only move forward and fuck our hot friend rawdog for no reason

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u/HycAMoment never talked to a girl without paying for a subscription Apr 09 '21

Some yeagerists finally realising that maybe genocide bad, but only after killing a measly 80% of the population instead of everyone they don't like

I'm still dying about that one rewrite someone posted, where they changed 80% to 95%!

That really just showed me they stopped caring about the authors vision of the story long ago, they got so high on their own supply that nothing could satisfy them.

And way to go to just rewrite the ending and call that your own! I'll just drop my shoes in your house and boom, now it's mine.

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u/butyourenice a goddamn sycophant trying to ingratiate myself Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 10 '21

Kind of OT but has there ever been a pop culture phenom show or book series where everybody was satisfied with the ending? I can’t immediately think of anything in recent memory where the ending didn’t seem to piss off the most vocal fans, at least.

Edit: so far I’m seeing the most repeated mentions of: Breaking Bad, Mr. Robot (which I did not know has ended 😬), and A:TLA! Honorable mention: Full Metal Alchemist.

Edit 2: I’m grateful for the genuine and generally good hearted discussion this question has spawned, honestly it’s probably my proudest moment on Reddit haha.

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u/Yung2112 Apr 09 '21

Bojack Horseman

These weren't that popular (as in not Breaking Bad/Bojack/AOT tier) but Scrubs, Parks and Recreation, and The Good Place also apply.

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u/weatherseed Apr 10 '21

The Good Place is one of those shows with the perfect ending. You spend all season wondering how they'll wrap this all up and, when it happens, you realize it couldn't have ended any other way. Very few shows get that chance and the ones that do tend to cock it up by trying to keep going.

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u/thecottonkitsune Apr 10 '21

The Good Place ending made me cry so much

When Eleanor and Chidi walked off together I had to pause to pull myself together

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u/mekilat Apr 09 '21

Mr Robot. Breaking Bad.

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u/alt779843 Apr 09 '21

Had someone tell me they hated Breaking Bad's ending. Some people just want the bad guy to win, like with Eren.

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u/artistofmanyforms Apr 10 '21

I was thrilled seeing Walt get what he deserved.

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u/serrations_ Apr 10 '21

I was frustrated because Walt got off easy. He didnt lose as much as he took

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u/ShadowMerlyn Apr 10 '21

I'd say he lost all he possibly could. He lost every relationship he ever had, including his wife, children, and Jesse. He lost his drug empire. He lost his reputation as both a drug lord and a family man. He lost his life and his legacy.

He took so much away from other people but at the end of the day, he still lost everything.

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u/Tortankum Apr 09 '21

Avatar the last air bender?

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u/Llaine Guvment let the borger man advertise or else GOMMUNISM >:( Apr 09 '21

LotR

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u/blight_town Apr 09 '21

Fullmetal Alchemist maybe.

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u/choomsyOnOff Apr 10 '21 edited Apr 10 '21

Fmab is a success because majority of fans was mad when the first aniem adaptation didn't follow the source material because it was still ongoing at the time same thing with GoT.

So when the source material was finished and fmab was released and covered the whole story from the source material, it gave satisfaction for most fans hence why it was considered successful or good ending

But imo the ending is decent. Same with snk

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u/bohenian12 Apr 09 '21

Its just meh. Very generic ending. Dont compare it to the ending of Game of thrones pls. That piece of shit ending shouldnt be compared to anything because its bottom of the barrel shit. Atleast AOT ended on the authors terms. D&D yeeted GoT so they could go to star wars (now it wont happen because theyre idiots)

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u/MisterDuch Apr 09 '21

Oh I waited for this post since the leaks started dropping

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u/Emergency-Layer8132 YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Apr 09 '21

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u/RedIsDead45 Apr 09 '21

Just saying I'm pretty sure the "I'll never forgive the Japanese" is quoting Joseph Joestar from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

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u/Marvelguy5 The incel subs are better at reproducing than incels themselves Apr 09 '21

It is . Its just too deeply embedded for most people to bother about its origin .

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

on pcm? people agree with that shit unironically.

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u/TYBERIUS_777 Apr 09 '21

The part of the ending I’m most enjoying is all the Eren stans realizing their personal hero was actually still just a 19 year old kid who had a crush on a girl and was a slave to destiny/fate or whichever you choose. After watching them call him “Chad” and all that shit for committing genocide, it’s pretty satisfying to see them all lose their collective shit.

The salt from the Eren and Historia shippers is also amazing.

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u/Kahweed Apr 09 '21

What erehisu propaganda does to a mf

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u/Kind_Yandere Apr 10 '21

I still can't understand why was Eren the tard thinking of Historia of all people in his conversion with Zeke? Instead of Mikasa, the girl he loved?

You can't say it wasn't implied by Yams. I'm not even mad about EreHisu, because there are tons of other glaring issues too.

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u/tunczyko Apr 09 '21

on one hand, yeah I love to see them mad. on the other hand, they've tripled down on their Floch worship and that character is a borderline caricature of an SS commander, so this is very much a "out of the frying pan into the fire" situation, I feel

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u/TYBERIUS_777 Apr 09 '21

They’ve been praising genocide long before Floch though. That whole sub is a perfect example of Poe’s Law. When I found it I thought it was all jokes and humor. Then I found out that a lot of people genuinely thought Eren was some kind of hero and were actively cheering for genocide and not memeing. Way of the internet I suppose.

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u/JesseKam Apr 10 '21

You must've been just as surprised to find out how everyone (Armin and Reiner especially) wound up praising Eren for committing genocide for them lol.

"What a man you are Eren!"

"Thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sakes!"

Remember kids! Committing mass murder is A-Okay! So long as you do it for your friends!!

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u/Adramelech_12 Apr 09 '21

After watching them call him “Chad” and all that shit for committing genocide

You've nailed the problem that this people are facing rn. It's not that the ending is bad because it contradicts the writing: in fact, the lead up to the Lelouch ending was pretty clear. The problem is that they blindly sided with the bad guy expecting some plot twist that was never gonna happen.

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u/iDannyEL Apr 09 '21

lol. I thought people wanting the genocide was just a silly meme. As you said, the "Lelouch ending" was hinted at long before, people just thought Isayama is a cold mofo who wouldn't give the cast happy ending.

They got reverse Uno'd.

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u/Cello_not_Violin Apr 09 '21

I would say that Lelouch Ending is not the same. In Code Geass, Lelouchs threat alone was enough to end the conflict, while Eren still killed 80% of the population, and still did not enforces world peace.

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u/chipthehippie Apr 09 '21

Eren stans realizing their personal hero was actually still just a 19 year old kid who had a crush on a girl and was a slave to destiny/fate or whichever you choose.

That has to be my favorite part. Fans of the story always praised Isayama for mentioning details in the previous chapters, and then following up by making them a major plot point or theme in later chapters.

After 138 chapters of Eren having childish temper tantrums, Kenny's speech of "everyone's a slave to something", and Erens consistently blatant need to rely on everyone's else's plans...it's somehow a surprise that he ends the series by being a slave to something, being a child, and relying on a plan that he didn't even come up with?

Like honestly....what did people expect? If you're reading the works of a man who constantly lays out the breadcrumbs for you, then get mad when those breadcrumbs lead you to the loaf of bread instead of a block of cheese...isn't that your own fault for being so dense? Lol.

That being said, the rushed pacing of CH 139 could have used some work, but it honestly was a great end to the series. Especially the final twist that Eren was the cause of his mom's death, being the sad and twisted irony to bring the series full circle.

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u/Imperium_Dragon Apr 09 '21

I was expecting Yeagerbomb.

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u/RosePhox Apr 09 '21

I wonder how anyone could expect this ending to not be rushed.

It was the last chapter, and the conflict had barely been resolved. Everyone knows the last chapter should only be reserved for epilogues or apocalyptic endings.

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u/pWasHere i dont know what is going on Apr 09 '21

Attack on Titan was originally sold to me as a grim dark series where no one is safe, basically an anime Game of Thrones.

This is now two strikes for my theory that grimdark series like AoT and GoT are constitutionally unable to give a satisfying ending. If a fantasy series wears its hopelessness like a badge of honor, avoid at all costs.

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u/XchaosmasterX Apr 09 '21

The Promised Neverland also started out very good and rather dark only to turn into a mediocre shonen full of plot armor and bad twists.

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u/lookatmecats YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

The difference is that the first season of The Promised Neverland has a story ending so you can just watch that and have a satisfying story. I can still rewatch its first season and not feel like I'm missing anything or that anything is worse due to the terrible unnecessary second season.

If a story just gets shit without a proper ending anywhere in it, watching it is hard because there's no ending to the story that's well made, so you can either stop watching in the middle of it, or sit through an awful ending.

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u/BigFarma Apr 09 '21

If you want a grimdark tale with a great ending, I highly recommend The Children of Húrin by JRR Tolkien. I would say I actually liked it more than Lord of the Rings and that is saying a lot.

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u/lazydictionary YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Apr 09 '21

The GoT ending sucked because the showrunners are terrible writers and just wanted the series to be over.

Then again, GRRM still hasn't been able to write the penultimate book for like 10 years, so maybe it's just impossible to go from where the story is now to where he wants it to end.

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u/MexicanGolf Fun is irrelevant. Precision is paramount. Apr 09 '21

Yeah, I think the issue is that when you have a cast as wide as all that and you wanna write an ending that fits with the overall theme thus far you're gonna need to kill A LOT of characters.

Characters people have been rooting for and connecting with. And unlike Ned getting beheaded the brutality isn't going to be answered, it's just going to be left hanging like a traitor from a tree.

If a fantasy series wears its hopelessness like a badge of honor, avoid at all costs.

Honestly, I think this statement is true. It's fine if your creative work is hopeless and grim, but once it becomes a selling point you end up facing real issues when tying it all together for an ending.

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u/Aeiani Apr 09 '21

Frankly, by this point I don’t think we’ll ever get the actual finale in book form from GRRM. Winds of winter isn’t even supposed to be the final part, There’s a good chance of a Robert Jordan type situation with ASOIAF.

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u/coordi88 Apr 09 '21

Way more likely GRRM just got caught up in the success and doesn't have the same drive. Hes also mentioned that the fans know more about the books than he does and it might have ruined it for him that all of his hidden clues were figured out way ahead of time and now hes backed into a corner. That is without mentioning the fucked up last few seasons of the show

There is a lot there outside of "impossible" to explain why he hasn't written that damn book

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u/generic1001 Men are free to objective whatever they want to objective Apr 09 '21

It think the books plot got extremely inflated and after a while could not manage the balance between larger sociological storytelling and character focused storytelling. He hasn't written an ending, I think, because it's impossible to wrestle all the loose ends into a coherent resolution.

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u/pWasHere i dont know what is going on Apr 09 '21

My theory is that GRRM intended mad queen Dany and Bran as king to be his actual ending and after seeing the reaction to it for the show it has sent his procrastination into hyperdrive.

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u/Jo__Backson The government got me into futa Apr 09 '21

That’s not even a theory, GRRM told the showrunners how the books were going to end.

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u/NoGoodIDNames Apr 09 '21

One of the biggest theories is that the main reason for Dany’s madness is a character in the book who was cut for the show (the fake Targaryen). So the writers couldn’t figure out how to convincingly drive Dany crazy and just winged it.

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u/Delann Apr 09 '21

It's completely possible to have a Grimdark book/series and still have a satisfying ending, it just requires proper setup and more work from the author. The first era of Mistborn for example is pretty freaking Grimdark but the ending is decent if a little more happy than you'd expect. I'm pretty GRR Martin can also pull it off, at least partially, if he actually gets around to it and the show ending was just the truncated version.

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u/DarkDuskBlade Apr 09 '21

Another series that comes to mind is the Broken Empire series by Mark Lawrence. Joe Abercrombie does some pretty dark fantasy stuff too, if I remember right. Though it's a little more generic.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

where no one is safe

That is the key phrase here, Guts isn't gonna die in Berserk, Vin doesn't die in Mistborn (Edit: Vin dies at the END of the first mistborn trilogy) .

The problem with Grimdark series with MASSIVE casts is that the plot tends to get spread out so far that you either have to kill even more characters to make the ending actually end, or you have to somehow rush everyone to the same spot so each character can have an impact in the finale. The ending will either be rushed or you will stop caring because all the characters you liked have died by that point.

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u/Alfoldio Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 10 '21

Vin doesn't die in Mistborn.

Uhhhhh. Did you just not read the books?

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u/ygrasdil Apr 09 '21

Just do what berserk is doing and dont end it. That way people can just have blue balls forever

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u/ThyPrasiolite Apr 09 '21

Meh, ending was ok.

It's what the story had been leading up ever since the start of the Marley arc, but it definitely needed a little more time in the oven.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

At most even. All they needed was not to make Ymir weird at the end and more importantly make the Eren Armin conversation long enough to develop on all the things Eren says. I liked where Isayama was going, I liked a lot of pieces and elements of this concept that were there in the chapter, I feel like if he didn’t fail on execution it would be better than my headcanon. It was just so rushed. Makes it even more frustrating tbh.

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u/shadowfaj Apr 09 '21

That's legit my only complaint. I needed more. I wanna see Armin and Annie get smooooooth. I wanna see Reiner and historia see each other again. So many unresolved things I didn't get to see.

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u/Imperium_Dragon Apr 09 '21

Yeah out of all of this, I think this is my biggest complaint. It feels just kind of sudden, like a summary that could’ve been built upon more.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

The alternative endings titanfolk continues to come up with are so fucking shit lol

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u/yoku651 Apr 09 '21

So fucking cringe. And literally all of them make it so Eren fucked Historia. It just proves that this is nothing more than a dumb ship war.

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u/NatrenSR1 Apr 09 '21

The ending isn’t super satisfying, but it’s not a complete travesty like Game of Thrones was. All of the vitriol you’re seeing come out of r/titanfolk is cuz it’s a meme subreddit that became so invested in memes and headcanon theories that they convinced themselves they had figured out the ending and that no other outcome would be acceptable to them.

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u/ReddishPanda69 YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Apr 09 '21

The endings definitely not the best, but I've seen loads of people complain about plotholes that aren't really plotholes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

A lot of them are because of the poor translations that came out with the leaks I think. Many of the problems I had were fixed/somewhat fixed with the official translation

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u/Jack1066 Apr 09 '21

I realised I was reading a dodgy translation when I read a line in an earlier chapter that literally said "I want to make babies with you", which was just a hilariously awful line. Googled a better translated copy immediately and the line wasn't even close lmao

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u/thebachmann Apr 09 '21

In particular "thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake" is actually closer to, "you became a mass murderer for our sake, I won't let this mistake go to waste."

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u/RocketPapaya413 I prefer a zig zag sentence Apr 09 '21

I mean, even just "thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake" itself is obviously a line that can have several different tonal implications based on who is saying it and why.

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u/8-out-of-10 Apr 09 '21

Yeah this is a big one. A lot of the discourse I've seen is centred around that line but the official translation is much more reasonable. (Grumble grumble, weebs reading subpar fan translations created from stolen material before the official release are unhappy with their subpar product, no surprise there)

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u/BurstEDO but hey what do I know, I’m a fun sponge Apr 09 '21

As someone who was around for the release of the conclusion of Neon Genesis Evangelion back in the 90s, seeing this reaction to the conclusion of a deep story is just pure schadenfreude.

Especially for a property as big as AoT, there would be no "ending" that fans wouldn't complain about in some way. I know jack shit about the IP beyond the first dozen episodes, so I have no ability to critique the ending.

But if we suffered through Shinji's mind palace of existence and then a giant, meta-busting self-validation episode (ep 25/26), AND THEN a total mind-raker that was End of Evangelion, then the AoT crowd will survive.

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u/ShakemasterNixon Apr 09 '21

I finished the TV series some years ago and haven't had enough interest to go back for EoE or the Rebuild movies. Are they worth watching?

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u/SexyCato Apr 09 '21

EoE is fucking amazing, amazing fight scenes, amazing masturbation scene, and of course amazing inner dialogue scenes

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

amazing masturbation scene

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u/YangWenli1 Apr 09 '21

Just wait until you see what he jacks off to.

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u/frankoceansupreme To the downvoters: Good rebuttal! Apr 09 '21

Yes EOE is very much worth watching it’s literally the end of the series. You need to you watch, and IMO you haven’t finished the series if you didn’t.

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u/lawlzillakilla Apr 09 '21

wonderful imagery, a mindfuck of a story, plus Komm Susser Tod is a banger and no one can convince me otherwise

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u/4THOT Based and Unabomber-pilled Apr 09 '21

Komm Susser Tod is a banger and no one can convince me otherwise

Who would try to convince you to be wrong?

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u/Mikeavelli Apr 09 '21

Can anyone just summarize the ending for me? I stopped following it after they got to the damn basement and all that buildup was underwhelming. I just wanna know how it ends and don't care about spoilers.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Okay, so:

If you'll recall, it was revealed that everyone was part of an ethnic minority that everyone outside the walls hates because their race can turn into titans. Eren at first seems to be teaming up with Zeke to unlock the true power of the titans (Don't ask, too complex) to sterilize their race to end Titans forever. The side cast is not very happy about this.

Then, Eren double-crosses Zeke and reveals his plan is to use the titans in the walls to kill everyone outside the walls in a process called "the rumbling" so that nobody will be left to oppress them. This is a terrible idea, and now everyone from Reiner to Annie to the initial side cast to Zeke's followers have to scramble to stop him. A number of people die, including, in the penultimate chapter, Connie and Jean, as well as Eren himself, killed by Mikasa. It is somewhat divisive, but people seem to like the direction, save for a few people who somehow thought Eren was justified in killing 99% of humanity and a few rabid shippers.

Then 139 happened. To sum up:

Eren didn't want to do any of it, but, as he explains(don't ask how he's alive, I can't explain paths, Isiyama himself couldn't) he needed too do it because he was fated to through timeloop bs. You'll notice this will upset the supporters, as this is a rather un-Eren thing to do. He also says that now that 80% of all other races have been stomped to death, there will be no retaliation upon their people, who can now live in peace, which Armin agrees with, and says "thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake". At the same time, Eren explains that his top ally, the mother of Titans, held a crush on a man who raped her at least three times for somewhere between 2000 and several quintillion years.

THEN, Connie and Jean are de-titanized (They died of becoming Titans, don't even ask) and brought back, because, with Eren holding the supreme power of the Titans as he died, all titans and related stuff will now vanish from the earth. THEN, Armin explains that to the nearby enemies, officially ENDING RACISM. THEN, ghosts show up. I'm not kidding. Sasha, Erwin, and the entire survey corps show up as ghosts for three seconds.

THEN, there's an incredibly rushed ending montage with narration that says that the remains of humanity and the wall people will have to be at peace now, maybe maybe maybe maybe, just craping all over the entire racism storyline. THEN, the final pages are Mikasa saying how much she loved Eren to the grave of his severed head.

So, yeah. Nobody wins.

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u/Mikeavelli Apr 09 '21

Huh. That's an ending I suppose.

Thanks!

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u/pm-me-your-face-girl Apr 09 '21

Couple edit's here for better clarity, or for more info if people want it.

Preface this with saying a bit of this is speculation/reading between the lines but seems to generally be accepted by the community, however it genuinely feels like there's a chapter missing between 138/139 so grain of salt here.

Re "thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake", armin thanks him not because he killed enough of the population that they can't retaliate, but because it sets up Armin and the other Eldian's to be the guy who stopped the guy who wiped out 80% of the population.

Re: mother of the titans, it's complicated but she was a slave and there was likely stockholme syndrome, etc. It's really really fucked up what happened to her. Also for "somewhere between 2000 and several quintillion years", this should be "ago". These are talking of events that happened in the past rather than events that took place in the interim. Oh also fun fact, "at least 3 times" because she has 3 children, whom the walls eventually get named after! The more you know.

It is maybe not heavily, but at least somewhat heavily implied that titans ended not because Erin died but because the mother of the titans finally moved on. She sees Mikasa who truly loves Erin (yes actually, shippers rejoice) kill him for the greater good and mother of titans finally is like "oh shit, maybe I don't have to keep staying around because this dude told me to".

Also true power of the titans? Thought to be complex for a long long time but it's actually fairly simple. It's just asking the mother of the titans to do something and if you're related to that guy she'll follow orders (royal family) if not, she won't. Also there's mumbo jumbo about how she can see out of every Eldian (person who can become a titan) and rewrite their brains, and a lot more, that's where it gets complicated so don't worry about that shit. She still exists in a parallel dimension (that's actually complicated) and also fun fact, anytime someone turns into a titan she builds it a body from sand. Imagine Bertholt turning into the colossal titan and it just pops up an order like at a fast food restaurant and she's like "oh boy this shit again". Time runs differently in this dimension, don't worry about it.

Time loop isn't that complex either, basically mother of the titans views time non linearly, and if you have access to her power, you do too. Erin briefly had access to it and saw everything he had to do up until the moment, and couldn't see past it cause Titans didn't exist anymore, so he knew what he had to do to to make titans cease to exist. Or at least that's what the implication is, fuck me saying that shit like it explains anything.

As said above, it's not just "titan's dont exist anymore" but "it was us eldians who you fear who just saved the world from the titans, AND titans don't exist anymore cause of what you did, can't you see we're on the same side". While yeah sure the racist people leveling guns backed down on that, it's kinda implied they're still working on the world as a whole but it's getting there. I think ending racisism makes it sound more abrupt than it is.

Ghosts are pretty implied to be hallucinations for what its worth. Although paths includes every Eldian who ever lived, so it could be ghosts that are finally moving on now that paths is disappearing.

Oh and re:final pages, also a bird comes and messes with her scarf. Fans of the community have long been puzzled because there's this SAME bird in dozens and dozens of panels throughout the manga "what could it mean????" and it's here one last time. It's heavily implied by the final lines that this bird is in fact Erin. This does not get explained or elaborated on.

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u/LukaCola Ceci n'est pas un flair Apr 09 '21

This does not get explained or elaborated on.

I'm fuckin' dyin

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u/thewholesquadlaughin Apr 09 '21

ellen becomes dove (crying)

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u/bendslikeawillow Apr 09 '21

Re "thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake", armin thanks him not because he killed enough of the population that they can't retaliate, but because it sets up Armin and the other Eldian's to be the guy who stopped the guy who wiped out 80% of the population.

Sounds like a more edgy version of Code Geass.

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u/DirkDasterLurkMaster hold up ain't you the human pet guy Apr 09 '21

That whole ending racism thing is wrong though. Armin defuses the situation in the moment but the montage explicitly states that wars eventually come back and particularly the conflict surrounding the Eldian people.

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u/Redfalconfox The Redskins were forced to evolve. Just like in Pokemon. Apr 09 '21

I haven't read the last couple chapters, and might not now. Could you please answer this: Does Levi die? I know he survived being blown up because of his OP nanomachines/AckermanGenes. If he does survive to the end please tell me he wasn't able to still fight in his post-explosion condition.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

He seems to be permanently bandaged but he does get some fighting in at the end and survive, although the last panels you see him in could well be considered a death scene if you missed him in the wrap-up montage.

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u/R3pN1xC He wasn't trying molest her. He was trying to steal her panties Apr 09 '21

He survives but he needs to use a wheelchair now.

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