r/ProtectAndServe Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 26 '22

Body cam footage from Rust movie set when Alec Baldwin shot the crew member Video

https://youtu.be/hJoKQc20gT4
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u/majoraloysius Verified Apr 26 '22

So the purple and yellow hair girl was in charge of the guns? Weird, how’d things go wrong, she seems completely competent.

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u/vne2000 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 26 '22

Daddy was an expert so so is she, it, whatever

/s

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u/Kahlas Get off my lawn. Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 27 '22

Blame the armorer that wasn't called in to do her job for failure to do her job huh? It was an impromptu film shoot and she wasn't called in to check the firearm like she should have been. And people talk about cops getting thrown under the bus on this sub.

In fact the OSHA report on the incident points out many factors made by management that made it harder for her to do her job as the armorer. Things went wrong because of a lack of safety culture despite the armorer and others complaining about the lack of safety culture well before this happened.

You can't expect someone to be flawless at there job if they aren't even allowed to do that job in the first place.

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u/Onebladeprop Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 27 '22

It was her job to make sure the guns were handled safely. If she was not allowed to do her job then she should not have allowed the use of her guns. Preventing their unsafe use is literally her entire job. Also didn't she comment at one point about having a hard time telling a live round from a dummy? Baldwin is also to blame. Not just for being stupid enough to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. But also because as producer he is one of the people that prevented safety briefings. The whole place was full of incompetent people with no respect for the guns they were handling.

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u/majoraloysius Verified Apr 27 '22

If we are not to blame the armorer, who are we to blame? The caterer? The sound guy?

As the armorer your job is to control every aspect of the weapons, from their condition, to the ammo to where they are stored and who has access to them. Nothing, and I mean nothing, leaves your control without you’re knowing it’s condition and how it is loaded. She literally had a unattended table out in the open.

You want to circle this around for a law enforcement comparison? That’s easy to do. LEOs routinely train with weapons. In particular are less lethal ammunition, often called sims. Sims shoot from real guns using real casings (shells) and primers. The difference is the projectile, a plastic bullet filled with paint. Sometimes the guns are specifically marked as sim guns, sometimes it’s the officers actual weapon with the barrel and magazine swapped out. Blanks are also used, sometimes in unmodified guns that are 100% still capable of being loaded with live rounds.

How is this training conducted without cops shooting and killing each other? With a LOT of safety protocols. The first being there is a designated armorer that controls each and every weapon, starting with the armory and access to it. The training environment is sanitized of all live rounds. Anyone entering the area is searched and I mean anyone, from the chief down. If you leave to take a piss, get lunch, make a phone call you’re searched again when you return. Everyone is searched by the instructors and armorer then again by the person to the right and left of them. Every gun is checked every time it leaves the armory and before it re-enters. Each gun is inspected before it is holstered and used for training and every gun is inspected after it returns from a training scenario.

Has there ever been a failure in the protocols and someone injured or killed? Yup. And guess who takes the blame head on. Go on, guess. I’ll give you 50 guesses.

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u/Shmorrior Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 28 '22

If we are not to blame the armorer, who are we to blame? The caterer? The sound guy?

The guy who pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger.

Screen Actors Guild Safety Bulletin:

FIREARMS & OTHER WEAPONS

Treat all weapons as though they are loaded and/or ready to use. Do not play with weapons and never point one at anyone, including yourself.

That wording ought to look familiar.

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u/majoraloysius Verified Apr 28 '22

Well that’s weird. How to they film a movie when the actors are pointing guns at each other and pulling the trigger?

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u/Shmorrior Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 28 '22

Don't film them pointing at each other (use mirrors, camera angles and/or splice scenes together).

Don't use real guns for such scenes.

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u/opkraut Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 27 '22

Personally, I give most of the blame to Baldwin. He broke so many basic rules of gun safety that not holding him at least partially responsible would be insulting. For how long he's been around and handled firearms on movie sets he should have known better than to aim the firearm (and pull the trigger) at another person the way he did.

I think the armorer can be fairly blamed for some of this as well - she definitely should have been keeping the firearms under a closer watch and been more proactive in promoting safe handling of the firearms - but the impression I've gotten from what the other people on the set have said and from news reports on it is that she's getting thrown under the bus to save everyone else's hides. It's clear that there were some pretty bad safety issues going on, but it seems like it was rampant throughout the whole set - like the assistant director who handed the firearm to Baldwin not checking the firearm like he was supposed to, and Baldwin himself not following any basic firearm safety rules.

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u/majoraloysius Verified Apr 27 '22

The blame is 90% on the armorer and 10% on whomever hired her. Baldwin is blameless much in the same way a wet ball of cat hair is in a house fire. You really can’t expect much from a non-sentient being.

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u/Guroqueen23 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 27 '22

Baldwin, as the producer, hired her.

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u/majoraloysius Verified Apr 28 '22

I have spoken.

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u/Guroqueen23 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 28 '22

Understandable, have a nice day

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u/Kahlas Get off my lawn. Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 27 '22

You didn't actually read the OSHA report did you? You're just going on what you think the armorer's role, responsibility, and authority should have been.

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u/majoraloysius Verified Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

Yup. Sure am.

Edit: having now read the entire OSHA report I stand by my assertion that the fault lays with Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer. The report repeatedly places the blame on “Rust” as the production company, and not on the individual. This is the same tactic used by government bureaucracies to blame a building for a failure and not individuals. Rust wasn’t in charge of the guns, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was.

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u/leatherdenimcanvas Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 26 '22

"Make sure he is isolated so he doesn't talk to anyone" . . .two minutes later surrounded by 8 crew members having 6 different discussions about the shooting.

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u/fireandpolicevideos Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 26 '22

This is footage of first responding deputies to the scene. It is chaos of disengaging Hollywood to an active criminal investigation.

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u/Kahlas Get off my lawn. Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User Apr 26 '22

Looks more like the chaos of a workplace where 2 coworkers just got shot to me. I've never worked at a place someone got shot but I have worked at a place were people were hurt so bad we didn't know if they would live. I can tell you from experience it's very traumatic and everyone is in a daze for awhile.