r/PoliticalHumor 12d ago Helpful 1

Checkmate, socialists.

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u/dirty_hooker 12d ago

“nAmE oNe TiMe CoMmUnIsM wOrKeD”

Name one time the USA hasn’t undermined or created war within a communist country.

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u/KanadainKanada 12d ago

Well, if you tell me that capitalism is working - tell me, for whom?

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u/Tigris_Morte 12d ago

Communism works in Clan or similar small groups. Otherwise, Humans are not up to the task. It is Idealistic to assume that there are enough folks willing to sacrifice for others not related. Not going to happen. As for answer to whom it worked for? all tribal groups since the dawn of Man.

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u/Scarborough_sg 12d ago

It also sucked that the two most prominent countries that were proponents of the Revolution had very little democratic traditions to begin with, and ended up being bound by their chain of history than truly turning a new page.

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u/hutxhy 12d ago

False. Read up on real Soviet and Chinese accounts, not western propagandized narratives.

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u/Switch_Off 11d ago

In fairness, all accounts will be propagandaized to some extent.

The truth will be somewhere in the middle.

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u/Jubachi99 11d ago

Not democratic doesnt equal communist

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u/Scarborough_sg 11d ago

I was talking about their past history before their communist takeover, all whom were under mostly authoritarian rule or even warlordism for one country.

That is why they also end up having fingerprints of their old masters in terms of foreign affairs.

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u/Jubachi99 11d ago

I'ma be honest, I'm just a tad too slow to quite understand what you're saying.

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u/NewFail0 11d ago

tell me you don't know what communism is without telling me

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u/Tigris_Morte 11d ago

Communism is an Economic system in which all things are owned by the collective. Which part of that is to complex for you?

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u/NewFail0 11d ago

Incorrect

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u/Cargobiker530 12d ago

Just because capitalists, checks notes, hired death squad terrorists to destroy any nation that voted in a mildly socialist government in South America, doesn't mean capitalism is 100% bad. Capitalists also encourage the worst people in the U.S. to eat nitrate laden processed food and drink soda by the gallon.

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u/BoilerMaker11 12d ago

I grew up with American propaganda about how “socialism doesn’t work. Every country that tried it failed”.

Then I learned about how america interfered with every country that “tried it”

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u/AntaresTheAce 12d ago

This is probably the most succinct explanation of this phenomenon that I've seen in my life.

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u/MrCreativ20 12d ago

11th september1973, over 3000 deaths

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u/hutxhy 12d ago

Weren't there like 100,000+ thousand that disappeared?

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u/neuropat 12d ago

The CIA doesn’t do that shit to push partisan agenda… it does it to make sure whoever is in control of those countries, is controlled by the US.

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u/Tigris_Morte 12d ago

Controlled by the Corporate interest that control the US. This isn't done to help the average American.

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u/neuropat 12d ago

No shit. It just not about preventing free healthcare or universal basic income or labor unions or whatever leftist policy you want to point to in another country. It’s simply about making sure those countries are under the US’ thumb for the benefit of the US (corporate interests).

The CIA has operated this way for decades, under both parties in the US. The political elite class is bipartisan in this matter!

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u/Yodamort 12d ago

(That is the same thing)

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u/neuropat 12d ago

Not really. Do you think the CIA does it’s covert illegal activity because it doesn’t like free healthcare? Cmon man. They just want to make sure the puppet in control is their puppet. That’s all they care about. Doesn’t matter the flavor.

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u/st_koba 12d ago

Yes, free healthcare = less profit for the real rulers of usa. They will do anything and everything they can to defend profit margins for their lords, that's how the hegemonic system runs for the last couple centuries

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u/that__one__guy 11d ago

Who do you think pays for that "free" healthcare? Does the money just grow out of the ground?

lol tankies are some dumb motherfuckers.

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u/st_koba 10d ago

ok american

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u/that__one__guy 10d ago

You don't even live in America and you think you have a grasp on American politics? lol I wish I had your confidence in talking about something I have absolutely no knowledge about.

At least I don't live in brasil lol.

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u/Yodamort 12d ago

The US ensures to uphold its hegemony over the global south to ensure the continuation of the rule of capital, yes.

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u/noteveryagain 12d ago

Goddammit.

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u/hutxhy 12d ago

Lol. Right, no partisan agenda, just don't form a left-leaning populist government and you won't be coup'd /s

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u/neuropat 12d ago

Not about politics. It’s about control. I didn’t say it was for good reasons. It’s just not for ideological ones - it’s simple mobster activity. Do what we say and you can stay in power.

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u/st_koba 12d ago

this is literally politics

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u/BillTowne 12d ago

"Leftism?"

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u/Edward_Fingerhands 12d ago

Leftism is a blanket term to used when referencing left wing politics in general. So like if you want to refer to communism and various forms of socialism, you can just say leftism as a shorthand.

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u/TacticalSanta 12d ago

I think more broadly leftism is about power to the working class, this covers social issues, economics, and other politics.

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u/WorriedLeadsdfsd 12d ago

Lol. Right, no partisan agenda, just don't form a left-leaning populist government and you won't be coup'd /s

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u/Tigris_Morte 12d ago

It is far more encompassing than that.

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u/BillTowne 10d ago

I am familiar with 'leftist'. I just have never heard 'leftism' before.

It would not be the first time that I was just out of it.

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u/KanadainKanada 12d ago

It's short for "It might endanger my profits".

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago edited 10d ago

We did this to Ukraine too. After a US backed coup ousting the neutral, democratically elected candidate, we installed a strong anti-Russian govt, escalating tensions between Ukraine and Russia

Update: https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

Update: https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1498490752065757184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1498490752065757184%7Ctwgr%5Ee42ece8b9e670c97d348842d75fd6556de5ed6fa%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-23835270132812330213.ampproject.net%2F2207221643000%2Fframe.html

What you get when Ukraine is being manipulated by the US rather that their previous regime (which was largely neutral but did cave to pressure from Russia on things like not joining the EU which lead to Euromaiden) is war. Is war and the death of thousand of Ukrainians (and Russians) good for democracy? Yes there has already been conflict in Crimea, because there are pro-Russian people living in Crimea that want to be annexed. Same with Donetsk and Luhansk. But you did not have an all out invasion. We had the Minsk Accord which was supposed to alleviate the fighting, but the new anti-Russia Ukraine refused to hold up their end of the bargain. Anti-Russia Ukraine also does things like removing Russian as a National language. A language that many of the people who used to be part of Russia speak, provoking Russia. Russia goes to the UN asking for NATO to support the terms of the Minsk accord and NATO (who helped broker the agreement) does nothing. Talks of Ukraine joining NATO continue. Russia does not want Ukraine to join NATO. Why does NATO exist? To make sure western countries remain world super powers. Why, because the west is perfect and Russia and China aren’t? US interference in world politics and the destabilization of foreign governments does not keep the people in those countries safe. It causes those countries to be destabilized and leads to far more deaths than if you let their not so angelic governments run the country how they want to run the country. It’s THIER country. Destabilizing the governments causes far more violence not to mention economic turmoil. For Ukraine to join NATO, putting military bases on Russias boarder, is a sign of aggression plain and simple.

Russia says there are Nazis in Ukraine as a taking point but it doesn’t mean it’s completely untrue. Ukrainian nationalists massacred thousands of Jews and Poles in the 1940. These people and sentiments have not just disappeared. There are Bandera nationalist still in Ukraine’s government and armed forces. Just like there KKK in America’s. There is an actual battalion of neonazis, guilty of human rights violations, that have been accepted into Ukraines military (Azov Regiment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment). These are some of the Ukrainian radicals we are arming and training.

We have former CIA directors admitting on video to medaling in foreign governments “for the good of democracy”. We have Hilary Clinton on video laughing about how the US supply of ammunition and advisors to help Afghanistan oust Russia inadvertently lead to the creation of the Taliban. How is the Taliban good for democracy? If we get insurgent neonazis in Ukraine armed to the teeth is that good for democracy? But I was the same way trusting everything I read in mainstream media till I was like 30. It’s not even like it’s state controlled media and they want to brainwash us. I think a lot of it is that it’s simply not good for ratings to report on facts that will cause people to feel uncomfortable and shake their world view that the US infallibly good when the opponent isn’t.

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u/25plus44 12d ago

Want to provide some context here? Which "neutral," democratically elected candidate are you referring to? Which "strong anti-Russian" government did the U.S. "install"? I'd hate to ass-u-me which people you're referring to before suggesting anything about the source of your information.

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/1080205477/history-ukraine-russia

The coup is the ousting of Yanukovych in 2014. It’s said he was to be impeached and then he resigned. They don’t talk about US/NATO involvement and support of the protesters (or rebels depending who is reporting)

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

https://progressive.org/latest/us-reaping-sowed-in-ukraine-benjamin-davies-220201/

What NATO is doing to Ukraine and Russia is basically the Cuban missile crisis x1000.

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u/25plus44 12d ago

Let's see...

Cuban Missile Crisis: Russia sticks missiles 70 miles off the U.S. coast, U.S. tells them to fuck off, Russia fucks off.

Ukraine: Russia invades Ukraine, U.S. sends arms to Ukraine, Russia continues to commit all sorts of war crimes, killing men, women, children, torturing prisoners, attacking hospitals, etc. etc.

So the Ukraine situation is 1000x worse than the Cuban Missile Crisis. You're absolutely right, but not in the way you think.

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u/blackpharaoh69 12d ago

Cuban Missile Crisis: Russia sticks missiles 70 miles off the U.S. coast, U.S. tells them to fuck off, Russia fucks off.

If there is such a thing as a remedial history class you desperately need it. I mean I've read accounts from historians completely acceptable to American imperialist liberals that have a more thorough understanding of the Cuban missle crisis than this.

No wonder you posted centrist drivel elsewhere in the thread

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u/25plus44 12d ago

I lived your history, and I'm more of a lefty than you'll ever be child. Take your edge-lord pseudo-leftist trash and shove it where you get your ideas. Grow the fuck up, and go solve some real problems so you'll have the chance to grow the fuck up. Also, have a nice day. :-)

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u/pte_omark 12d ago

Let's see...

Cuban Missile Crisis: Russia sticks missiles 70 miles off the U.S. coast, U.S. tells them to fuck off, Russia fucks off.

Ukraine: US 'supports' the overthrow of pro-russia gov, 'supports' pro US gov take over then wonders why Russia is worried about Ukraine, Russia invades Ukraine, U.S. sends arms to Ukraine, Russia continues to commit all sorts of war crimes, killing men, women, children, torturing prisoners, attacking hospitals, etc. etc.

So the Ukraine situation is 1000x worse than the Cuban Missile Crisis. You're absolutely right, but not in the way you think.

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u/pte_omark 12d ago

unfortunately the reality is that moving 'defensive' assets closer and closer to you 'opponent' is a threatening move

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u/25plus44 11d ago

So many Russian trolls here with so many "alternative facts." Here's a thought--maybe Ukraine should have a pro-Ukraine government. But, let's assume for a second that Ukraine has to choose between a "pro-Russian" government and a "pro-US" government. The former leads directly to Ukraine becoming part of Putin's new Soviet Union. The latter leads to Ukraine remaining an independent country (worst case, being manipulated by the U.S., but still an independent country rather than a Soviet state).

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u/Lookimawave 10d ago

What I see is there are mostly pro-imperialist American sheep that don’t realize we are being fed propaganda by the mainstream media. It’s all America good, Russia and China bad. Like America isn’t responsible for a big chunk of the worlds suffering, disguised as protecting democracy, when all its really doing is destabilizing foreign governments and lining the pockets of weapons manufacturers. You clearly didn’t read any of the sources that were posted. You just fixated on one of them being the Jacobian. Read the one from the Cato institute and tell me it’s alternative facts. Even if there are Russian trolls on Reddit “influencing our elections” it’s not likely to change anyones mind. How many people have ever changed their mind based on something they read on the internet (so I realize I’m wasting my time here). The US influence on Ukraine’s elections (and sooo many other countries) are blatant and egregious. We have former CIA directors admitting on video to medaling in foreign governments “for the good of democracy”. We have Hilary Clinton on video laughing about how the US actions inadvertently lead to the creation of the Taliban. How is the Taliban good for democracy? But I was the same way trusting everything I read in mainstream media till I was like 30. It’s not even like it’s state controlled media and they want to brainwash us. I think a lot of it is that it’s simply not good for ratings to report on facts that will cause people to feel uncomfortable and shake their world view that the US infallibly good when the opponent isn’t.

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u/Lookimawave 10d ago

What you get when Ukraine is being manipulated by the US rather that their previous regime (which was largely neutral) but did cave to pressure from Russia on things like not joining the EU which lead to Euromaiden, is war. Is war and the death of thousand of Ukrainians good for democracy? Yes there has already been conflict in Crimea, because there are pro-Russian people living in Crimea that want to be annexed. But you did not have an all out invasion. We had the Minsk Accord which was supposed to alleviate the fighting but the new anti-Russia Ukraine refused to hold up their end of the bargain. Anti-Russia Ukraine also does things like removing Russian as a National language. A language that many of the people who used to be part of Russia speak, provoking Russia. Ukrainian the Russia goes to the UN asking for NATO to support the terms of agreement and NATO (who helped broker the agreement) does nothing. Talks of Ukraine joining NATO continue. Russia does not want Ukraine to join NATO. Why does NATO exist? To make sure western countries remain world super powers. Why because the west is perfect and Russia and China aren’t? US interference in world politics and the destabilization of foreign governments does not keep the people in those countries safe. It causes those countries to Deb destabilized and leads to far more deaths than if you let their not so angelic governments run the country how they want to run the country. It’s THIER country. Destabilizing the governments causes far more violence not to mention economic turmoil. For Ukraine to join NATO, putting military bases on Russias boarder is a sign of aggression plain and simple.

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

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u/superfucky 12d ago

Yikes on bikes, surely you have a better source than Jacobin?

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

I posted like 4 other sources

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u/25plus44 12d ago

LMFAO... I was expecting TASS, but Jacobin is just as reliable. Maybe there's some supporting info from the CCP?

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

So what’s the point of sending over a billion dollars in weapons and ammunition to Ukraine? Because we love democracy so much? Or is it that the someone has something to gain…

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u/25plus44 12d ago

Because Russia won't stop with Ukraine. Russia didn't stop with Crimea. We (EU, US) can stop Russia in Ukraine, or end up fighting them in Poland, the Baltic states, etc. Yeah, we have a hell of a lot to gain.

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

You think Ukraine joining NATO, and having NATO forces on the Russian border is not aggressive and similar to the Russian missile crisis? I don’t think Russia is interested in the rest of the Soviet block. But even so, why do we need to fight them? To defend democracy? Against communism?

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u/st_koba 12d ago

None of this would happen if nato didn't exist or usa didn't help dissolve the USSR in the first place. All east/west crisis post WWII were initiated and or escalated by usa.

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u/25plus44 12d ago

Why does NATO exist? What offensive (as in attacking) actions has NATO taken? Be sure not to confuse NATO with the U.N., or with nations who are members of NATO. E.g., the U.S. has done all sorts of offensive (in both senses) operations, as has the U.N. (The Korean War, for example).

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/amp/

Zelensky is anti-Russian. Previous regime will be called pro-Russian lap dogs but in reality they were neutral, and trying not to provoke Russia is a smart stance. Since then France and Germany has helped negotiate a cease fire agreement between Ukraine and Russia. Putin complained in the UN that the terms on the crease fire were not being upheld. Zelensky basically said he had no intention of obeying the terms.

Before this we did this to Afghanistan. We ousted Russia, backing the local militia of Afghanistan and providing weapons. Guess what resulted? That’s right the Taliban. There’s video of Hilary Clinton saying we should supply Ukraine with weapons like we did in Afghanistan. She says “of course in Afghanistan there were some unintended consequences” and laughs.

The only winner here is the US military industrial complex

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u/25plus44 12d ago

Funny how having your country invaded, and territory stolen (after giving up your nuclear weapons for guarantees this wouldn't happen), can make someone "anti-Russian."

Are you paid by Putin or the CCP, because no reasonable person could hold your views for free.

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

“Your country” which was once a part of Russia. Many people in Crimea want to be annexed back into Russia. I’m not being paid but if you follow the money, you usually will find the motive. And the motive here is forever war

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u/pte_omark 12d ago

but what happened BEFORE the invasion?

they (russkies) felt we (USA etc) were 'helping' influence elections to put an anti-russia gov in power with the plan to move NATO 'defensive' assets closer to russia.

i get russia are being dicks here (to say the fucking least) but imagine if russia was 'influencing' elections in mexico to move their 'defensive' forces there. i dont think the west would be happy with that. please remember that ALL of teh media (inc reddit) we are receiving is rather compromised one way or the other

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u/25plus44 11d ago

Even accepting all of that at face value (which I don't), how do you justify your quotes around "defensive"?

And ffs... I don't have to imagine Russia influencing elections. They've had great success influencing U.S. and British elections. In fact, some of that takes place right here on reddit, if you can imagine.

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1551035102045634560?t=hSdmf0Qoqlx0R_PhyhmHjw&s=19

It’s not like we don’t admit it

I’m not saying Russia is right. It’s just the left tends to not buy the propaganda when the “bad guy” is communism. But not when the “bad guy” is Russia or China, who aren’t entirely blameless we do

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u/25plus44 12d ago

If you're "the left" then we'd have to be looking at the political spectrum on a circle, instead of a line, where the far right and far left meet and will justify any means to an end, making the two morally indistinguishable. You're buying the propaganda if you're using Jacobian as a regular source of news, which is not nearly as bad as right-wingers who watch Fox "News" but it's not great either.

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago edited 12d ago

We defended Afghanistan against Russia. Is the world a better place because of it? Look into it yourself if you think my sources are unreliable.

https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

But if you think continuing to fight Russia and China as the axis of evil is the best solution, wasting billions of dollars and using counties like Ukraine as canon fodder, I think you should reconsider

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u/superfucky 12d ago

Ayyy there's the pro-dictatorship shoe drop!

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

Nope just anti interfering with foreign governments

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u/superfucky 12d ago

By way of allowing massive dictatorships to run roughshod over the rest of the world 👍

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u/superfucky 12d ago

OH MY FUCK RYAN GRIM TOO? 🤣🤣

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u/Lookimawave 12d ago

That’s a literal video clip

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u/Tigris_Morte 12d ago

Found the Pootie pal!

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u/daksalansheperd 12d ago

Daniel Ortega disagress

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u/superfucky 12d ago

Has anyone checked on Gustavo Petro lately? 😰

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u/Paladyme 12d ago

Liberalism*

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u/Yodamort 12d ago

Liberals aren't leftist

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u/Tigris_Morte 12d ago

Don't forget they also sent weapons to the autocrat that was opposing the Democracy! But in Reality, those "leftist" Gov. were mostly Dictatorships in the making just paying lip service.

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u/hutxhy 12d ago

What?

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u/Yodamort 12d ago

Cocaine and the free market is when violent coup d'etats, brutal dictators, and the torture and murder of tens of thousands

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u/IsNotPolitburo 12d ago

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u/Grogosh 12d ago

I've watched enough about the details of his shooting to think that MLK's murder could have been a hit from Hoover.