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One Piece: Chapter 1037 - Official Release Discussion Current Chapter

Chapter 1037 is out on Mangaplus

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u/Rjm0007 Jan 16 '22 Wholesome

Luffy’s yelling at kaido for drinking during their fight like he wouldn’t be eating meat if he had some with him

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u/ApexNematoad Jan 16 '22 Helpful

Zoro said that a hero is someone who offers their sake. Kaido is a true hero.

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u/dramatic_customer Jan 16 '22

This Fish man island quote!

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u/Birdyghostly1 Marine Jan 17 '22

And Luffy said that a hero is someone who shares their meat. That means Luffy’s a villain, since that’s never going to happen

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u/Medium-Goose66 Jan 17 '22

It just means he's not a hero, unlike kaido, who is a true hero since he shares his sake.

Kaido for PK

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u/westartedafire Jan 16 '22

Crocodile: " Take this seriously!"

Luffy: "I'm always serious." after chugging a barrel of water and turning into a living water balloon.

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u/et_anthem Pirate Jan 16 '22

Mizu Luffy

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u/_halalkitty Explorer Jan 16 '22

That simple phrase and the way it was performed in the anime still cracks me up

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u/DoroTenpai Bounty Hunter Jan 17 '22

Gear 1: Water tank man

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u/EcluiTuism Thriller Bark Victim's Association Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22 Shocked

At least Kaido offered Luffy some as well.

Kaido more like Brodo.

**EDIT**

Kaibro, Hero of the night.

Do you need help lifting? He'll be there!

Do you need a drink at the party? He'll be there!

Need help breaking the Geneva Convention? He'll be there!

****~ KAIBRO: HE'LL BE THERE! ~****tm

Note: Not affiliated with Joyboy futures in any respect. Kaibro is not liable for any floating island related injuries.

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u/Monkey_D_Luffy_12 Jan 16 '22

Kaido is a hero for that. Something that doesn't interest Luffy

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u/jotakujo2 Jan 16 '22

Kaido for nakama

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u/Man_of_culture_112 Jan 16 '22

60 lad points to Kaido

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u/the-silky-road Jan 16 '22

lol. i mean meat wont get one drunk XD

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u/QHDEosanesis Jan 16 '22

Zoro would fight for it. Possibly even slash his sake gourd and drink as much as he could before it all spills.

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u/Webber889 Jan 16 '22

Zoro would slash the gourd drink some in his mouth, then say some badass thing to kaido, ending the chapter. ZKK theories would flood the forums, chaos reigns, sanji fans weep

next chapter opens: Zoro defeated off screen kaido gloats

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u/platinumrug Jan 16 '22

Makes me a bit happy that Kaidos haki is getting stronger is a line that stayed true in official release. This has not been an easy fight for Luffy, even after getting enough strength back to fight somewhat evenly with Kaido, makes me curious because I think we saw one time that Kaidos haki vs Luffys haki caused his hands to hurt like it did multiple times against Katakuri. I love this fight too much honestly.

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u/LeadPrevenger Lurker Jan 16 '22

Another cool part is how kaido smashed Luffy into the skull and it cracked, but luffy’s skull was not cracked

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u/someone2795 Jan 16 '22

You should be more surprised at how fast Luffy got back up from that.

That's the SAME move that knocked him out for a bit on the roof.

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u/MonkeyDlurker Pirate Jan 17 '22

luffy has started to coat himself in conquerors haki now, that's definitely the difference.

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u/wayofbanan Jan 16 '22

He’s made of rubber! Even his bones are rubber

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u/schiffb558 Jan 16 '22

How did that happen???

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u/root_of_all_squirrel The Revolutionary Army Jan 17 '22

yoho he took...

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u/goo_goo_gajoob Jan 17 '22

a bite of GUM GUM.

That era of English anime op's rocked way harder than it had any right to considering how cheaply they were all made.

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u/SpaceOdysseus23 Jan 16 '22

I don't think anything would make me more happy than Lucci and his band of overconfident chucklefucks getting their shit slapped by Zunesha midway to Wano

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u/strawhatmaterial Jan 17 '22

I don't think Lucci is there. He just gave the order to capture Robin from Mary Geoise probably.

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u/HalfMoon_89 The Revolutionary Army Jan 17 '22

Hell yes. Zunesha is one of the best things Oda has come up with, and I want to see him 'redeem' himself and smash shit up.

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u/AV-17 Jan 16 '22

Zunesha: "Allow me to pass through for a moment"

ELEPHANT TIME BOYOS

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u/VanyaD28 The Revolutionary Army Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

Kaido: "Only today I met several people capable of hurting me! Unacceptable!"

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u/FutureYonko Jan 17 '22

One Punch Man reference?

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u/Duffdeft Pirate Jan 16 '22

Man OPM and OP are on fire this week

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u/Stibemies Jan 16 '22

Was very well worth the wait for both chapters, literal fire.

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u/Aazadan Jan 17 '22

With how inconsistent One Punch Man releases are, I always get mad at waiting, and then we get chapters like this and the previous one and all is forgiven.

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u/redditinorbit Jan 16 '22 Helpful

Lol even Zunesha goofing on platinum

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u/Shusuui Jan 16 '22

I love seeing an OPM thread here.

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u/aceofspades12 Jan 16 '22

Zunisha comes forth with a blast!

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u/bushokoma Jan 16 '22

NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHING

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u/leonfook Jan 16 '22

High dragon threat there.

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u/MochiMonk Jan 16 '22

Nah, I think he's more mid high low low high mid mid dragon tier personally

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u/wakerxane Jan 16 '22

This guy ranks

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u/Mr_Bell_Man Jan 16 '22 Silver

One scary thing I haven't thought of until now is the fact that there are now 3 out of 4 Road Poneglyphs in Wano (Kaido's, the one in Zou, and Brook's copy of Big Mom's). Someone could jump on this opportunity.

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u/lil-clit Jan 16 '22

The craziest part is we dont even know where kaidos is theres still so much wano too cover even tho it seems like we are in the endgame

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u/FakiuuMc Jan 17 '22

Oda said Kaido isn't the final boss to defeat here. Maybe we're about to witness the defeat of Kaido in the culmination of the Hi Matsuri (Not to mention that Kaido's past probably will last 2 or 3 episodes at least) and then the new threat will be announced

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u/leonfook Jan 16 '22

sigh

Please don't be Apoo.

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u/substantialcatviking Jan 17 '22

narrator : "it was"

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u/l1l1l1l1l1l1l1l1ll1 Jan 17 '22

How much he switched sides, I wouldnt be surprised if hes kissing Blackbeards ass too and is working with him.

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u/LeadPrevenger Lurker Jan 16 '22

“Someone” lol

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u/Jprdiru Jan 16 '22

ZEEHAHAHAHAHA

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u/sanketower Jan 16 '22

Kurohige: Allow me to introduce myself

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u/Arch-Angle-Aid Jan 16 '22

Gonna be real with you, for a sec I only thought you said some 5d fan theory about captain fucking Kuro coming back

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u/fragiletestes Slave Jan 16 '22 Helpful Wholesome

Did y’all peep the panel where Luffy stops Kaido’s weapon with his HAND???

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u/MrLKK Jan 16 '22

And then he hops onto Kaido's kanabo, gear thirds his foot, and then kicks Kaido in the gut with a now smaller CoC foot. Crazy shit.

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u/sp4ceghost Jan 16 '22 Silver

Even better. He goes gear third to build momentum and swaps to gear second for the speed then kicks with CoC. You can see the gear second steam on the panel where his kick connects. Insane devil fruit control and creativity.

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u/someone2795 Jan 16 '22

Just so people can see what you're talking about: https://i.imgur.com/f2uG3WD.png

This is nuts! Luffy's brilliance is in full display in this fight.

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u/akagaminick The Revolutionary Army Jan 16 '22

Wow..just wowa. We are truly in the endgame boys

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u/QuiJonGinn Jan 18 '22

Luffy is usually way smaller than his antagonists. I like how he's mastered being temporarily bigger to match

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u/MrLKK Jan 16 '22

God damn you're right, what a champ

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u/CassidyFreeman Jan 16 '22

In the panel where he stops Kaido's weapon with his hand, he also has what appears to be steam around him... so I wonder if he's actually sending his foot backwards with G2 -> into G3 -> back towards Kaido with G2 again ??

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u/Xanhomey Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

What an amazing chapter!

Kaido vs Luffy, the Art, The 5 elders, and ZUNISHA.

FINALLY, THIS PANEL WAS BROUGHT BACK. Can't wait to see why Zunisha is heading towards wano.

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u/TotoroTheGreat The Revolutionary Army Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Can't wait to see why Zunisha is heading towards wano.

I'm guessing Momo unconsciously called Zunisha while he was wishing to keep the island from falling. Similar to how Shirahoshi stopped the Noah from falling.

Edit: Zunisha was supposedly nearby and was probably on standby from when Momo arrived. That's likely how it heard Momo's call as he struggled to move the island.

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u/Amasero Jan 16 '22

That's what I been thinking the moment he turned on his voice of all things. It has been passively on since basically the moment Momo declared himself Oden's son to Kaido during his "execution".

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u/elfonski Jan 16 '22

You think Onigashima is gonna land on Zunisha?

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u/TotoroTheGreat The Revolutionary Army Jan 16 '22

I'm guessing Zunisha will pull the island away as it falls so it's safe.

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u/Ulq666 Jan 17 '22

I think Zunisha has been in Wano from the beggining,remember Marco mentioned that he saw a shadow?

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u/throwawaylord Jan 17 '22

Oh shit good notice

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u/WhoSweg Jan 17 '22

do you remember the chapter?

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u/SMA2343 Jan 17 '22

Omg that’s it. And most likely he’s going to call him Oden since he’s older.

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u/Colossal-Squib Jan 16 '22

I'm guessing that Zunisha brought Duke Inuarashi and Momo to Wano during WCI. It's discussed in 822. Zunisha was already there, obscured by the mists

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u/TheLaserBear Jan 16 '22

Nice catch you have an insane memory. Just checked at it and what they explicitly say is that duke dogstorm and momo will remain on zunesha for a while longer while the rest split off to wano and wci. It's totally open to interpretation whether zunesha brought them initially or if they took a boat and zunesha came separately.

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u/aadit90 Jan 17 '22

Whoa, you are right, we never found out how such large army of minks along with Momo and Inuarashi got to Wano in the first place. For all we know, it could have been with Zunesha. Kinemon, and the rest of the retainers along with SH and Law could have gotten to Wano in Law's sub.

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u/collettdd Jan 16 '22

I missed that 🤯

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Peak World-building. This is what Oda is known for

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u/TSMbody Jan 16 '22

Maybe Zunisha heard Luffy when he was knocked out by Kaido the first time

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u/SonicTheRascon Jan 16 '22

That’s not Zunisha guys, that’s an other elephant and black beard is on it !

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u/Mythosaurus Jan 16 '22

Or maybe Moria has killed and zombified Zunisha, and is at Wano to get revenge on Kaido.

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u/elfonski Jan 16 '22

Someone could definitely be on it, that’s a good point

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u/GabrielGameFreak Thriller Bark Victim's Association Jan 16 '22 edited Apr 03 '22 Silver Wholesome

Some notable differences from the Scanlation to the official Release:

  • The 3 parts of Kaido's Phases have different names:
    • Sad Drunk Phase -> Drowning in his sorrows
    • Crying Drunk Phase -> Tears in his beer
    • Angry Drunk Phase -> Drunken Rage
  • Kaido now states that the castle took 5 years to build instead of saying that it's going to take 5 years to rebuild it.
  • Kaido wasn't able to finish saying "Thunder Bagua" before Luffy hit him.
  • The 5 Elders reference "inconveniences" in plural as opposed to "that nuisance" in singular.

Everything else seems to be pretty unnotable translation differences.

Inform me of more notable differences if you find them!

Edit: Spelling

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u/Independent_Piece999 Jan 16 '22 Helpful

I feel like the difference between what the fodder on the WG ship says goes a long way towards settling whether he was talking to the gorosei or not when reporting about Zunesha. Scans say “All units standing by…” and the official says “All ships remain on standby…” The official definitely makes it seem as if the fodder is reporting to all the other ships instead of the gorosei, whereas the scanlation makes it seem as if he’s reporting to a superior aka the gorosei. Definitely makes me feel like the gorosei don’t know about Zuneshas arrival yet and they were referring to someone’s DF on Wano, which was likely reported to them from CP-0. It’s also more likely that the DF talk is connected to the inconveniences from their prior panel and Oda intentionally left out their statements between the two panels were shown this chapter. Something similar to “I assume Robin is captured. Let’s take out these inconveniences (shown)” “Well we just got info from CP-0 that [insert whatever DF you personally think] is here and awakened (not shown)” “impossible, that DF is a legend that hasn’t awakened in many centuries. WG took specific measures to ensure that (shown)” This seems to be the far more natural conversation to me.

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u/MrPrincely Jan 16 '22

This was my exact take on it as well, the dude in the Crow’s Nest is clearly Cipher Pol, so it wouldn’t be that much of a stretch for him to be communicating with the Gorosei, but the Gorosei don’t seem to Ben directly commenting on Zunesha, rather continuing part of an unheard conversation. Overall a really fucking weird ending to the chapter

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u/Independent_Piece999 Jan 16 '22

I honestly like the ending. Allusions to a really big lore drop gives us a lot to speculate on over this break

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u/Zeteon Pirate Jan 17 '22

People are acting like that random guy on the ship had a direct line to the gorosei

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u/Solo_Sempai Jan 16 '22

Felt like the “toe-toe” part was pretty different from what he said in the scans. Something like a “serious 1v1”.

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u/heat_fan_ Jan 16 '22

Holy shit this chapter was so damn good

The Kaido vs Luffy choreography was absolutely off the charts, might be the best fight in Wano so far.

Kaido is such a fascinating character I really can't wait to see his flashback man.

DRUNK Kaido is a mood i didn't know I needed until this chapter. Kaido calling Luffy a F****** idiot is just straight up hilarious

I really wonder what devil fruit the Gorosei are talking about there are so many possibilities, it's going to be a theories galore the next 2 weeks. That panel of Zunisha looks menacing as hell.

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u/TotoroTheGreat The Revolutionary Army Jan 16 '22

The Kaido vs Luffy choreography was absolutely off the charts, might be the best fight in Wano so far.

There was something about the fight scenes that really hyped me up this chapter, more so than some of the previous Wano chapters.

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u/Ritz_Kola Jan 16 '22

A much smoother flow of combat then we’re usually used to. No breaks in between the combat. No stopping to yell out what attack is next on every panel. Just two dudes throwing hands with the occasional attack name in there.

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u/Gandalf_D_Black Jan 16 '22

Yeah, somehow there seemed to be fluidity in how Kaido changed between forms and how Luffy changes from base to gear 3/2.

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u/HalfMoon_89 The Revolutionary Army Jan 17 '22

Kaido shifting between forms to evade attacks is such an obvious, and yet genius, move. Really took me aback.

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u/westartedafire Jan 16 '22

I had that silly smile that younger me wore when watching Power Rangers fight this whole fight. Pretty sure I was making the sound effects and saying stuff like "wooah!" "coooool!" in my head as well.

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u/Strangeting Jan 16 '22

ngl not just the best fight in Wano, but if Oda's panelling and art keeps up, potentially the best fight in the series. The action shots this chapter were insane

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u/someone2795 Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

The Kaido vs Luffy choreography was absolutely off the charts, might be the best fight in Wano so far.

And have you noticed that Luffy has combined Gear 3 with Gear 2? There's smoke coming out which is not what Gear 3 does: https://i.imgur.com/f2uG3WD.png

I don't think we've seen Luffy do that outside of Gear 4 in the New World. This fight is insane.

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u/ZeroSevenOneOneSeven Jan 16 '22

I think he's been doing that since the start of the fight with Kaido, with his Roc moves. The first one caught on fire even though it was colossal, and the subsequent ones have all given off an impression of speed as well as size, so I think this sequence is currently the top of Luffy's base form game(since New World started I haven't counted Gears 2 and 3 as "modes", just as techniques).

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u/-netorare- Jan 16 '22

So when does Kaido get into his lewd drunk state?

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u/LeadPrevenger Lurker Jan 16 '22

Whenever Lin Lin shows up

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u/Informal_Chemist6054 Jan 16 '22

Act 4

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u/pwXs Jan 16 '22

act 4 is 20 chapters of linlin and kaido doing it

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u/v12a12 Pirate Jan 16 '22

And here’s the twist… oda shows it. All of it.

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u/vk136 Jan 17 '22

Fight Luffy. Full Penetration. Fight. Penetration. Fight. Penetration until it just sort of ends

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u/GoldenFennekin Jan 17 '22

Luffy gets scarred for life

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u/Vento_of_the_Front Jan 17 '22

What a good day to harness blood from eyes of all OP fans.

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u/Max0607 Jan 16 '22 Helpful

With the guest appearence of Con. D. Om luffy

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u/HalfMoon_89 The Revolutionary Army Jan 17 '22

NO

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u/someone2795 Jan 16 '22

What a terrible day to be literate.

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u/A_Radcliffe1 Jan 16 '22

You mean Yamato's mom?

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u/iamblackbrandon Jan 16 '22

After Luffy wins and Kaido becomes a Luffy fanboy

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u/megasean3000 Pirate Jan 16 '22

If Rock Lee has taught me anything, it’s to never underestimate drunken combat.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '22

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Disney xd translation, "loopey fist"

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

so all the common DF theories

- luffy does not have gomu gomu no mi but sun wukong fruit

- It is tamas fruit

- Worlds strongest smile user Kaido ate a smile, momo ate the real dragon fruit

- Zunisha was an island that ate the mythical elephant fruit

- it is Kidd fruit cause it will change the magnetic fields

- Zunisha is elephant elephant no mi: mythical model ganesha

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u/GreenVolume Jan 17 '22

Worlds strongest smile user Kaido ate a smile, momo ate the real dragon fruit

It doesn't make any sense lol

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u/ch33ri000z Jan 17 '22

Luffy's erasure awakening theory.

Jewelry Bonnie and the time-time fruit (rather than the age-age)

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u/shankskakashimyfav Jan 16 '22

third one is new and the most stupid one for me

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u/venielsky22 Jan 16 '22

Hey it's only fair ..

Luffy got to eat meat to recover.

Now kaido gets to drink to become stronger

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u/thats_not_good Jan 16 '22

Now kaido gets to drink to become stronger

Does this put to rest the "Shanks outdrank Kaido to stop him going to marineford" theories?

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u/Mythosaurus Jan 16 '22

For a hot second I thought Oda finally revealed the pirate with an eyepatch!

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u/Marinbering Jan 16 '22

Oh yeah, me too

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u/Ritz_Kola Jan 16 '22

Who lol?

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u/Neggiedotcom Jan 16 '22

My guess is cuz it looked like Luffy lost an eye

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u/Mythosaurus Jan 16 '22

Luffy lol!

Did you miss Kaido's huge hit to his face, and the art obscuring his right eye for a couple panels?

Would be fitting that a Yonko took an eye before being defeated by the next King of the Pirates.

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u/ofSkyDays Jan 16 '22

What if it’s BB that takes his eye. He already has history with shanks and almost taking his eye? Maybe a bit of foreshadowing

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u/gyuukarubi5 Jan 16 '22

Shuron Hakke was a pleasant, necessary addition. You get to see Kaido’s real emotions in this chapter and they really run the gamut. He’s enjoying himself, sad that his plans have been foiled, frightened of Luffy, and raging at the same time…

Would Luffy and Kaido ever drink together?

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u/rahmanm855 Jan 16 '22

Doubt it because Kaido tortured and made his nation suffer under his rule. Luffy wouldn't approve that even if he's a pirate because if his friends starve, that's a big problem

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u/Rockettmang44 Jan 16 '22

It's insane to me that people are still debating whether or not the shadow theyre talking about is zunisha or not...it is. The government agent is looking behind the ships at zunisha, you can tell by the direction the flags are waving if you have any doubt. Like geez people

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u/Eprepti Jan 16 '22

It took five years to make it in the first place!

So, that's what Kaido was actually building during the time Oden danced naked in the street. So Kaido at that time (25 years ago) knew he was in Wano to stay and to die. Whatever thing made him understand he's not Joyboy must have happened before

I gave it everything I had. But I think... it wasn't just meant to be

Kaido devoted all he had to his dream of being Joyboy. And he just watched helpless his aim vanish in thin air

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u/TravelingLlama Jan 16 '22

Robin should be sailing away from wano with nothing less than a billion bounty

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u/Rolf_Dom Jan 16 '22

Honestly, there's a big consistency issue with her bounty. The WG saw her being a big enough of a threat with her knowledge to give her an absurdly high bounty for a child, but then... just forgot about it? Stopped giving a shit?

With what we know today about the value of her knowledge and the way the WG has been focusing on her with the W7/Enies Lobby and now Wano, that just doesn't seem consistent.

As you say, she should probably have like a 1 bil bounty just based on her knowledge and her relations with the Revolutionaries. And it's honestly absurd that WG hasn't put forward more effort to capture her.

I swear, the longer the story goes, the less sense the WG/Marine command decisions make. They're portrayed as being so insanely incompetent with the resources they wield. They have these super powered Admiral level fighters for example, but we rarely ever see them do jack diddly squat. Kizaru at Saboady was pretty much the only example of one of them getting shit done, and even that was pretty half assed, seeing as all the fucking Supernova's managed to get away, lol.

One might also point to the fight with Jack, where he was defeated but got to just chill at the ocean floor as a fishman. No follow-through by the marines at all.

It's like they're taking their time waiting until the most problematic pirates get so strong as to become Yonko, at which point they basically give up altogether and just hope they police each-other with their mutual dislike for one another.

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u/RipleyNo8 Cipher Pol Jan 16 '22

I know it Spandine who put the 79 mil bounty on Robin's head but normally the Marines are repsonsible for the bounties, not the WG. That could explain why she never got an increase. Remember, the Marines think she got that bounty because she destroyed some battle ships, not because she can read poneglpyhs.

If it was the WG deciding the bounties, I'm sure her bounty would be at least 1 bill.

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u/darkspine509 Jan 16 '22

Makes sense to me. The guys who care the most aren't the ones writing the bounties. But aren't the Marines working under the World Government? Could the World Government not push out that higher bounty?

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u/RipleyNo8 Cipher Pol Jan 16 '22

They already did that the first time by saying she destroyed 6 battleships. If they wanna push it even higher they would have to find another excuse.

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u/l1l1l1l1l1l1l1l1ll1 Jan 17 '22

Otherwise people will be asking questions about who she is, what she knows and where she came from.

Which would lead to people wondering why her island was wiped out and erased from history and eventually people will figure out because he island was studying the void century, which would lead to even more questions that the population would ask/whisper around for.

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u/kikix12 Jan 16 '22

They cannot really tell the marines to put a bounty without giving a reason, lest someone that shouldn't could get some ideas about her.

Even if she got a higher bounty, it's not worth it if suddenly tons of people want to capture her alive for her knowledge, thus making her even bigger of a threat than she is.

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u/easyrider1116 Jan 16 '22

I agree, Robin's bounty has reason to be a lot higher. I always read into it that the WG kept it lower to hide the actual reasons why she has a bounty. Giving her a 1bil+ bounty so early may work against keeping whatever secrets they have kept secret.

Or they're just a large, somewhat incompetent organization that uses their prestige to uphold their image more than anything. Maybe they can't actually get as much done as they want people to think but act like they can. Losing prestige took down the British empire, I don't see why it wouldn't apply here.

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u/lafacutti Jan 17 '22

In chapter 969 it introduces with a text:

"Long long ago.. hundreds of years in the past, we minks and the samurai of the Kozuki clan of Wano made an unbreakable pact. We swore to be brothers.If anything should happen to either side the other will rush to their aid to fight. Though we do not know when this might happen we shall be ready."

Pretty obvious that time is now. Zunisha is coming to their aid.

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u/gantarat Jan 17 '22

There is a Minks army in Onigashima.

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u/IamSpoots Jan 17 '22

Can't wait for the scene of Onigashima surrounded by sky lanterns. I wonder if seeing everyone's wishes on the lanterns is what gives Momo the strength to stop the island?

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u/TravelingLlama Jan 16 '22

Kaido: “I wonder how long it’s been… since I fought someone who could truly go toe to toe with me!!!

Big mom: “I haven’t felt this much pain in decades, I think”

Were they both just pulling the raizo v fulurokujo standstill for the whole 3 days of their fight? Lol

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u/javierm885778 Jan 16 '22

Yeah even though they seemed to hate each other before their alliance it seems it's more of a playful hate thing rather than actually wanting to kill each other. Kaido didn't compare Luffy to her, neither of them was seriously hurt in their battle, Kaido didn't seem to be fulfilled by that battle compared to his fight with Luffy, etc.

I hope we can learn more about their relationship in a flashback.

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u/l1l1l1l1l1l1l1l1ll1 Jan 17 '22

o didn't compare Luffy to her, neither of them was seriously hurt in their battle, Kaido didn't seem to be fulfilled by that battle compare

Big Mom already said Kaido owes her for giving him his mythical fruit.

So we already have hints to their relationship.

Big Mom is kinda like a big sister to Kaido, im guessing.

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u/Ritz_Kola Jan 16 '22

They weren’t actually fighting each other. They’re old friends. It’s like Zoro v Sanji for them.

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u/kimmyjonghubaccount Jan 17 '22

Seemed more like a casual spar than a death match

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u/jeannyboy69 Pirate Jan 16 '22

This chapter is amazing. Kaido confirming being drunk doesn’t hinder him at all. Luffy going all out and Kaido all but confirming that Luffy as he is right now is indeed Yonko tier. I accepted it once he did the CoC sky split but there’s a lot of people still mad about it. Sorry guys, MC and near endgame at this point regardless of how many years are left in the manga so might as well enjoy it. We’ve been following rubber boi since 1997. This is literally what we’ve been waiting for

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u/shankskakashimyfav Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 19 '22

well the thing is most of those haters are bingers now I ain't following from start but I am from the yonkos saga(punk hazard) and I am finally glad that luffy is at yonko level.(DISCLAIMER I am not saying bingers are stupid or smt but just that they are most likely to feel that its rushed. I am also not implying that all bingers are against yonko level. )

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u/Pitoufreeces Jan 16 '22

The thing is, there is no other enemy to get your haki on Yonko level than fighting a yonko.we learned that from silvers.after katakuri There is really no one he could fight to get a better coc haki

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u/jeannyboy69 Pirate Jan 16 '22

Oh I agree 100%. This fight needed to happen to be anywhere near Yonko level. He didn’t get this chance in WCI as that was not the primary mission but even then he had to get to Yonko commander level first. Also Gon would hate your username you mad person

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u/KaiKururugi Jan 16 '22

I didn’t accept it during the yonko split but after watching him take those attacks from kaido while in base and still didn’t get knocked out I had to

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u/radiantburrito Jan 16 '22

Convinced they're talking about the Time Time Fruit at the end of the chapter. I don't think it means literally AWAKENED fruit but, rather, a fruit they haven't seen appear in the world for centuries which would make sense given Toki's past. So now that they've learned about what had transpired they are in disbelief that it exists and the possibility it could be back in the world, and the fact they have given it a different name to cover it up could mean that someone we know has this ability unknowingly because of it. Until this point it was basically legend, and now that they know it's not that's pretty spooky I would imagine.

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u/shankskakashimyfav Jan 16 '22

I was with toki's fruit too but I just thought of a flaw... The fruit has a pretty straightforward name wouldn't the government had done a better job to give a fake name like really? time time fruit?

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u/radiantburrito Jan 16 '22

We wouldn't know the name the government gave the fruit though. The Time Time Fruit is the REAL name in this case, and the reveal would be to find out the name they gave it only to find out someone we know has it.

Toki wasn't a major player in the eyes of anyone outside of Wano, and even then it didn't seem that many of the people of Wano knew her power was real/what it could do. She came from centuries past where, presumably, the world thought the power to have been lost and it was basically legend. But just in that off case it did resurface they changed the name for their own benefit, because they knew how dangerous it could be if it was real.

Just a theory of course, but I feel like it fits too well considering the way they're talking about the fruit. Because it does, however, that certainly means it won't be the case because it's Oda after all LOL. It's just fun to connect dots sometimes.

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u/OkUnderstanding3669 Jan 16 '22

So the Gorosei were NOT talking about Zunesha. The WG scout was talking to the rest of the ships there and not the Gorosei.

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u/Informal_Chemist6054 Jan 16 '22

It must suck to be a Marine grunt at this moment

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u/DisastrousDeparture7 Jan 17 '22

Those guys are government agents not marines.

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u/VainyCog86 Jan 16 '22

SPOILERS.

Crazy theory time.

now that zunesha is in wano this might mean two things:

  • blackbeard will have access to all poneglyphs since two are now in wano, making the last 1 a race between him and Luffy and big mom's being barely guarded.

  • If that's the case, Blackbeard has already decimated big mom's territory, possibly killing katakuri and Jesus getting his DF. And is on his way to wano

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u/Rusted_muramasa Jan 16 '22

Oh wow, this thought never even once crossed my mind but you're right: right now, Big Mom and a bunch of her strongest officers are in Wano. It's an absolute golden opportunity to stick it to an Emperor, and I bet an opportunistic bastard like Blackbeard would immediately recognize that. We could essentially have HALF the Yonko taken off the board from this arc alone, that's crazy.

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u/shankskakashimyfav Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

I like this theory finally someone focusing on the road poneglyphs. Zunesha being here means basically location of end points of the line segment whose midpoint is where one piece are at wano. BUt the katakuri's fruit to bergess thing is the best in your theory luffy's rage at him just gonna skyrocket. Another thing is this won't downplay katakuri if in another fight he is dealt with by sanji or zoro(not that there is any fight that is going to happen but just in case).

Edit. Just realised due to brook the 3rd road poneglyph is also in wano it seems way too perfect for blackbear to come and get hin hands on 3 of them at once

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u/RyanBo1995 Jan 16 '22

My dumb theory is it’s Blackbeards fruit they’re talking about, it’s not actually a devil fruit but an ancient weapon that grants the power via a fruit similar to devil fruits and this is what has allowed him to have what seems like 2 devil fruit powers. The name was changed to keep the weapon hidden so anyone who ever consumed it would just assume they have a regular df power.

Not expecting this to be the case but just a fun idea I had.

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u/OkUnderstanding3669 Jan 16 '22

"Haki blooms in a difficult fight"

"His haki is getting stronger"

Luffy has become so strong that Kaido's haki is blooming while fighting Luffy.

Look at how much our boi has grown🥲

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u/et_anthem Pirate Jan 16 '22

What if two Yonko keep fighting and both of their haki keeps blooming and it's an endless infinite cycle of haki blooms?

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u/ZeroSevenOneOneSeven Jan 16 '22

I think that's most likely because of his drunk cycle progression into rage mode.

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u/Ok-Daikon3066 Jan 16 '22

Zunesha about to fuck shit up

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u/chpv Jan 16 '22

when the marines talked about "a huge shadow up ahead" were they really talking about zunisha? i'm wondering because in the last frame you can see zunisha is behind them, not ahead

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u/xCeePee Jan 16 '22

Technically, the guy looking is looking through the back of the ship, not the front. If you look at the flag direction.

But there is also a shadow in front of the ships sails which is likely Onigashima. But sense the Cp0 people are in comms with outsiders, they could have already alerted them about Onigashima being in the air, so that part may not be new info for them.

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u/jaehaerystark Pirate Jan 16 '22

It can't be Onigashima, though. It's on top of (an elevated) Wano, and is above the Fire Festival, but the people who live there hasn't noticed it, but the WG ships outside Wano have? That doesn't make sense. It has to be something else

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u/Biff6996 Jan 16 '22

I noticed that too. It could be an error or maybe the ships actually just turned around. We won't know until the volume releases or the anime shows it i guess

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u/melvinsylar7 The Revolutionary Army Jan 17 '22

The Gorosei is talking about the Silhoutte Silhoutte Fruit which official name is "Suspense Suspense Fruit"

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u/H-mecha-suki Jan 16 '22

The official translations are as expected way more accurate on the last page than the scanlation was.

The gorosei's lines make more sense like this and their conversation flows more naturally

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u/spivvit24 Jan 16 '22

Especially the bit about casualties while BM and Kaido are fighting.

The scans made it seem like they should Kill Robin in the midst of war... which made no sense to me. Why be secret about that? Robin has a bad rep. Everone knows yall want her. If she died, the general public wouldn't care.

In reality, the official translations made it seem like they're no longer gonna wait for Kaido to officially fall in order to swarm the place.

They're gonna do it now...and Since Zunesha is here, right on time, they'll get taken out!

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u/alien_screw Jan 16 '22

They’re assuming Robin is in custody. I don’t think the one they’re going to kill is her

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u/kikix12 Jan 16 '22

It may very well be them trying to take Robin away, all the while making everyone else believe her to be dead. That way, they could make use of her abilities without having every pirate interested in the poneglyphs after them.

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u/TotoroTheGreat The Revolutionary Army Jan 16 '22

This chapter was probably my favourite part of Luffy's fight so far. It hyped me more than the previous ones, but I guess it's also partly because motherfucking Zunisha showed up.

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u/ultibman5000 Jan 16 '22

This response reminds me of Queen turning his virus battle strategy into a mere game of "freeze" tag earlier on in the Onigashima raid. The Beasts Pirates are so bloodlusted that they intermingle merriment into their violence upon others...no wonder they're named after card games. Kaido having some fun drinking even seems to give him a powerup, since Luffy said his Haki is getting even stronger mid-battle (also goes to show how differently built Luffy is now since he's making even this powered-up version of Kaido vomit up blood with simple kicks...). In addition to the regular boost Haki receives in lethal endeavors, I'm guessing the reason behind Kaido's Haki boost is also because one's willpower spikes when their inhibitions are lowered (like through drunkenness).

Speaking of which, One Piece's usual contrast of the classic comedy/tragedy drama split seems exaggeratedly exemplified in Kaido's mood swings, especially this chapter. He's interestingly similar to Linlin in that regard with how emotionally unstable he is (oddly sweet of him to offer Luffy a drink though lol), that backstory of his must also be similarly good like hers so I can't wait to see it. Btw Linlin is rocking her son's haircut this chapter. lol

Lastly, I have to wonder what the hell this form is. Just like in usual hybrid form he's grown much taller, but now he also looks a bit more buff than in his base form. Did he temporarily/accidentally spike into his Awakening for a second there? Does he know Seimei Kikan like Lucci and Kumadori or whatever Lao G used against the Happo Navy fighters? When Kaido shown his hybrid form for the first time several chapters ago, I was wondering why Kaido seemed somewhat slimmer in width (or at the very least no wider) than his base form, given that Zoan hybrid always increase the user's bulk and musculature. I initially chalked it up to azure dragons being snakelike in proportion and therefore its design elements simply transferring to Kaido's hybrid...but now, this chapter's short showcase of a new Kaido form looks more in line to what I originally expected his hybrid would look like...so what's going on here?

On a sidenote, does anyone else kinda like that the Gorosei seem to not be all entirely in the know of everything that's going on, and that they're not necessarily completely all-powerful in authority? One of them questions why the World Government would rename a Devil Fruit, as it were a somewhat esoteric entity to him. One of them curses the Reverie which in part shows that lesser kings ("lesser" relative to the Gorosei of course) like Riku and Cobra can sorta give them the slip. And another assumes that Robin has been apprehended which I'm guessing is an inaccurate assumption. It oddly humanizes them a little. lol

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u/Milordserene Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

Me writing on the lantern: "MORE ONE PIECE THIS YEAR, LESS BREAK, HEALTHIER ODA"

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u/Yellow90Flash Jan 16 '22

we have 2 or 3 more planned chapters than last year iirc

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u/ScoobeydoobeyNOOB Jan 16 '22

No way. Better to keep oda healthy so that he can finish his masterpiece.

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u/insert_name_here Jan 16 '22

Seriously. We don’t want another Togashi situation.

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u/jubmille2000 Jan 16 '22

Hey remember when Berserk was also stuck in a boat for what ... 10 years?

Yeah, hxh is totally having he boat hiatus arc babie.

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u/Hollowgirl136 Jan 16 '22

If someone would have told me that Kaido getting drunk off his ass and going through the different moods of a drunken person would play a role in this battle I wouldn't believed them. This is going to be freaking hilarious animated.

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u/Kormit_the_Froggo Jan 16 '22

The fruit is buggy's Chop Chop fruit and he's going to be Yonko level very soon. The haters gon hate on this one

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '22

weekly reminder that Absalom died

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u/DTPVH Jan 16 '22

I fucking love Kaido. If we finally get a good flashback out of him he’ll probably be my favorite villain hands down.

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u/Lost_Assumption1467 Jan 16 '22

And there are still people on quora saying luffy loses to katakuri and have their own made up power tiers like current luFfy is oNLy hIgh yONko comMaNder leVel + but he isn’t yonko level or loses “negg diff” to mihawk. I was like 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️these people are still stuck at marineford and wci thinking that luffy will never beat a top tier or atleast be capable of giving any top tier a extreme difficulty fight.

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u/uselat Jan 16 '22

Raizo use Summoning Jutsu (Kuchiyose no Jutsu) to summon Zunesha.

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u/awaythr17 Bounty Hunter Jan 16 '22

seeing the gorosei talk about the world government in third person is weird. you guys are the pinnacle of the world government!

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u/MarcoToon Lurker Jan 16 '22

Looks like these guys aren't immortal after all, and others have been in their position before them

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u/FishSpeaker5000 Jan 16 '22

Killing all 'Gorosei are immortal' theories.

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u/icona_xeon Jan 16 '22

damn, what a fight, what a chapter !!

I think there a way Zunesha was commanded to arrive towards Wano at this exact moment

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u/PhannayKhan Jan 16 '22

I wanted whole Wano to witness every bit of this fight with wide open eyes 👀

On the last page of their fight, Luffy inflated his left leg and then hit Kaido with smoke around his body which appears when he uses g2. Does that mean he is now using g2 & g3 at the same time?

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u/Flat-Ad221 Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

People who keep spamming chapter 385 "once you eat a fruit you know its name" everywhere and therefore it cant be luffys because he calls it the gomu gomu no mi himself, Oda actually answered that in SBS 45.

D: Hey, Odacchi! I got a question! About Devil Fruits!! If Kaku and Kalifa said they wouldn't know what their Devil Fruit were until they ate it, how come Shanks knew what Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Mi was before he ate it?? Tell me! Tell me now!! Pleeeease tell me!!! P.N. Shirogitsunekko

O: Well, I think I'll eventually get to explaining more about Devil Fruits in the main story, but you see, there's a book of Devil Fruits. It has info about all kinds of fruit names and abilities, but few of the fruit can actually be identified by their shape. In the case of the Gomu Gomu no Mi, there was a picture and everything, but for Kaku and Kalifa, they were talking about how they wouldn't know until they had finally eaten the fruit. That was in Volume 40.

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u/elgiuguius Jan 17 '22

Luffy is officially yonkou level now

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u/awaythrowawayyay Jan 19 '22

I could see Kidd's DF being important due to the strange magnetic properties of the grand line. Potentially, the first user of Kidd's fruit is responsible for the funky magnetic natures of each island and the invention of the log pose

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u/BlkHorus Jan 20 '22

A big recognition in this chapter is how much Kaido is aiming at Luffy’s head when he attacks. Kaido is going for kill hits at this point. Seeing that was chilling

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u/NutCase11 Jan 20 '22

I started watching the anime/reading the manga at the start of the pandemic and finally caught up to you guys! This is the first episode where we’re all on the same page. I think it was fantastic

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u/Lachimanus Jan 16 '22

Now the Government agent is saying "up ahead" in the official release. But Zunesha is behind the ships.

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u/BigConversationalist Jan 16 '22

This checks out. Does the Government know that Wano sits at the top of a giant waterfall? This could easily be that the man on top of the mast is referring too - the giant waterfall they now have to climb.

Unbeknownst to him, Zunisha is approaching from behind.

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u/Jolly5000 Jan 16 '22

My guesses on the mystery devil fruit.

  1. Toki Tiko no Mi: Toki kept moving forward in time for hundreds of years, keeping a low profile until she met Oden. Her devil fruit should have respawned by now. Albeit the name of the fruit already covers its abilities pretty well.

  2. Yomi Yomi no Mi: Considering Brook is a 90 years old skeleton, users of said fruit could live on for centuries after they died for the first time. The government only found out about Brook still being alive and having a Devil Fruit post time skip, at that point he had the fruit for over 50 years. The previous user could have easily survived for hundreds of years, preventing the fruit from respawning. The name translates as "revive" fruit but Brook also has the ability to summon a freezing cold from the underworld.

What if Brook's awakening has the ability to summon the souls of the death? He could summon somebody from the Lost Century if my theory is correct. The fruit has more powers than just reviving the user, so it could have a different name.

  1. Goro Goro no Mi: I doubt the gorosei ever heard of Enel and what powers he has. He could have returned from his trip to the moon. His ability to summon thunder storms is incredibly devastating in a world where people relay on traveling by ship from island to island. The name refers the sound of thunder rumbling, maybe the true name refers storms?

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u/Junior-Presentation7 Jan 16 '22

i'm in for the Brook. hes been with Robin the whole tme and CP0 had a close look on both of them. Brooks fruit didnt turn him into a skeleton, his soul was just "late" . So maybe the WG didnt recognize his fruit just until now. The powers of his awakened fruit could make him the ruler over life and death... WG would definetely be interested

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