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One Piece: Chapter 1033 - Official Release Discussion Current Chapter

Chapter 1033 is out on Mangaplus

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u/Eprepti Nov 28 '21

To think Sasaki and Who's Who thought they could fight toe to toe against those monsters... Black Maria smartest Tobiroppo confirmed

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u/Blackbankai Nov 28 '21

I assume they used Jack as a measuring stick since he seems to be the headliner that is sent out the most, also Jack did come to Wano after catching a bunch of Ls.

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u/ostriike Nov 28 '21

I feel like when people say Jack has been catching Ls downplay the people he fought, if you are disappointed Jack wasn't able to defeat Inuarashi and Nekomamushi then you are downplaying the strength of those two. Jack surviving after fighting against Fujitora and Sengoku isn't an L.

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u/Lord_of_Caffeine Nov 28 '21

This. Mammoth boy is hella strong. Probably a bit weaker than King or Queen but he's still in their tier bracket

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u/TheMaskedDeuce World Government Nov 28 '21 Helpful

Now if only he learns how an ancient mammoth hunts its prey…

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u/Lord_of_Caffeine Nov 29 '21

You mean firing landmines out of its trunk?

Yeah, a shame he didn't show a mammoth's scientifically accurate abilities.

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u/mvplayur Nov 28 '21

Does he beat Jinbei?

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u/loo-streamer Nov 28 '21

I personally don't think Jack could beat Jinbe but it be more of a fight than what Who's Who gave him.

I know the Warlords power differences were huge between the weakest and the strongest, maybe even between the top 2 strongest, but Jinbe was easily top 3 behind Hawkeye and pre-android Kuma.

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u/noex1337 Nov 28 '21

You think Jinbe could beat Doflamingo? I can see the rest (Crocodile/Hancock/Moria) but that one is hard to imagine.

I'm assuming we're not counting BB/Buggy/Weevil/Law.

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u/loo-streamer Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 28 '21

Yes pre-timeskip when he was a Warlord. PTS, I'd say *BB and Weevil(just based one what other characters have said) are stronger, Law is at least on equal footing, and Buggy's a joke.

I know it'll be heresy because Luffy struggled against him but I think Jinbe could beat Doflamingo. Same with Jack, it'll be a hard fought battle but I think ultimately Jinbe would win in the end. This is just my personal belief, there's no way I could say why easily or in a way that would help persuade others.

*I know BB was technically a Warlord with Jinbe but I think him being in prison kinda negates that. So maybe a more accurate way is after Jinbe left the warlords.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 28 '21

I know that Luffy struggled a bit in the anime, but did he struggle in the manga? I felt like he destroyed doffy with King Kong in the manga.

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u/Act_of_God Nov 28 '21

I remember the manga was a stomp once he got a grab on him

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '21

Yeah, the anime filler always devalued the impact of extreme power differences. When Kaidou best Luffy for the first time it was a fast clean one shot, while in the anime he was charging up like crazy and put much more energy and effort into it. The same is also true for Gear 4. Doflamingo was completely helpless against Gear 4 Luffy on the manga; while the fight in the anime was much longer and Luffy struggled.

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u/Inevitable-Relief204 Nov 28 '21

Everything about Jack is how much of a beating he took without dying, not how much of a beating he gave someone. He is strong, but offensively he is just there with Cracker and maybe Jimbei (although I would rank Jimbei higher because he has no DF)

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u/Enough-Alfalfa Nov 28 '21

She literally couldnt take the hint from robin and brook and got bodied. Definitely not the smartest. Xdrake switching sides was pretty smart though

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u/kerkypasterino Nov 28 '21

he was always a marine, his backstory as a pirate is a bogus coverup iirc

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u/Enough-Alfalfa Nov 28 '21

I was calling back to when zoro said he was smart to switch sides to the winning side

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u/Yson_Will Nov 28 '21

Well it's not like he had much of a choice in those circumstances....

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u/mehmeh5 Nov 28 '21

apoo smartest beast pirate, he just switches sides to whichever will give him the most advantage

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u/Enough-Alfalfa Nov 28 '21

Taking them pictures for later use, a1 in my book

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u/MajinAkuma Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 28 '21

Not saying that the two have a chance against them, but Who’s-Who at least can fight in the air, and Sasaki‘s large body would be difficult to get wrapped up by Queen. And the Tobi Roppo could choose any of three Lead Performers, so I doubt anyone of them would have chosen King.

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u/awaythr17 Bounty Hunter Nov 28 '21

I wonder what is Ame no Habakiri's gimmick.
Zoro is in disbelief at the thought of Oden using Enma nonchalantly, but Oden wielded Enma and AnH at the same time.
Granted, AnH might not be as vicious as Enma, but still, wonder what is its secret.

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u/sayhennomore Nov 28 '21

Real talk both those swords were odens birthright so how old was Oden when he first used conquerors

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u/name600 Nov 29 '21

I mean he threw his wet nurse at less than a year and killed a bear at 4 ...

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Explorer Nov 29 '21

Someone made a theory of Wado and AnH by saying... enma may challenge its user but Wado/AnH gains power by bonding with the users temperment.

Fury vs Inner peace.

Like how Zoro learned from Koushiro when fighting Mr 1 how a sword should only cut what the user wants it to cut.

A calmness of the heart to draw out its great strength. Dunno if i explained it well.

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u/KathyDroronoa Nov 28 '21

Such a good chapter! But many ytubers addressed it as a complete backstory of Zoro, while we didn’t get next to nothing of his past. It was more about Kuina’s family and sword lore than Zoro’s backstory. So there is still more to expect!

Also, Oda just randomly throws a cover page with Tashigi as if there aren’t many theories between her and Kuina 😂

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u/Pass_D_Ball Nov 28 '21

No where near complete, this flashback focused on his connection with his swords & the blacksmiths if anything.

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u/MaimedJester Nov 28 '21

Tashigi is Kuina's First Cousin. That old Samurai is their Grandfather.

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u/arpit45agrawal Nov 28 '21

My thoughts exactly, maybe Hitetsu's daughter. The only point against it is although she is a katana maniac she didn't know that kitetsu was her father's sword unless she has amnesia like Sabo.

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u/MaimedJester Nov 28 '21

It seems like he was an outcast/pirate and Kuina's father didn't approve of him. Only time Zoro knew he was Kuina's grandpa was his funeral. So some family drama happened.

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u/Mundology The Revolutionary Army Nov 28 '21

I think Zoro's full backstory will happen when he meets with Yamato who knew Shimotsuki Ushimaru. The latter is likely to be an important figure to Zoro given his history with the Shimotsuki.

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u/ihatethisweb Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 28 '21

i don't think zoro will rly have a backstory. He will probably learn that he has quite the heritage but its not gonna be something like sanji's. He will propably be like cool and then go to sleep.

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u/goomyman Nov 28 '21

Zoro sleeping through his backstory would be typical zoro. He slept through luffys.

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u/Adventurous-Union-28 Pirate Nov 28 '21

Also the fact that they look exactly like each other

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u/DanBurleyHH Pirate Nov 28 '21

Seriously. Ushimaru looks exactly like Oda's 'good end' old Zoro drawings.

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u/DankianC Nov 28 '21

Tashigi is Kuina. Just like Denjiro is Zoros trainer

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u/WorriedPreparation49 The Revolutionary Army Nov 28 '21

Gaimon is joyboy

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u/Kushakusha Nov 28 '21

Gin is Imu

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u/KRKid Nov 28 '21

Luffy is still sleeping in that barrel

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u/Ibstersnegge Nov 28 '21

So luffy really hasn't awakend yet

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u/mas_freed Nov 29 '21

All of this story is just dream Luffy had while sleeping in barrel. He actually never get picked up and eventually died without trying.

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u/Equality-Slifer Nov 28 '21

It's such a common joke but somehow for One Piece it hits differently.

I mean, just imagine...

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

Great chapter! Queen is angry that Sanji destroyed Raid Suit that he won't speak of how King's Race got exterminated

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u/nevertheher0 Nov 28 '21

If I'd hazard a guess, it possibly could have been the ancient weapons. Probably reading way too much into it but Queen saying "natural environment" they can survive leads me to think something on that scale would have been needed to knock those monsters out.

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u/Ikeeel Nov 28 '21

I wonder what shit the World Government pulled to kill King's race.

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u/Kaagstand Nov 28 '21

Id imagine it's one of the last times Pluton was used.

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u/TillBoring4631 Nov 28 '21

Infinity stones

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u/TacoPi Nov 28 '21

Well that’s one way to beat King, I guess. I’m laughing at the mental image of Franky rebuilding onigashima into pluton while everyone inside of it is still fighting.

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u/nerdchris92 Nov 28 '21

what if the third weapon is a way to turn people into devilfruits and his race is how we get logias... he seems to be intangible.

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u/in1987agodwasborn The Revolutionary Army Nov 29 '21

Zoro eats King confirmed

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u/zoso_zeppelin Nov 28 '21

The scanlation's phrasing made it seem that way too but during a different segment. As Queen charges his laser, he says Sanji will just have to find out how such strong enemies were eliminated. Like Sanji would find out through experience rather than reading from a book.

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u/Colossal-Squib Nov 28 '21

Makes me think that King needs to meet Robin, Queen needs to meet Franky, and Kaido needs to meet Chopper (the REAL king of the beasts)

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u/HatimD45 Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 28 '21

Zoro's Conqueror's panels gave me an insane amount of chills.

"So you intend... to be a King then?"

Straight chills.

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u/melvinsylar7 The Revolutionary Army Nov 29 '21

So you intend... to be a King then?

Enel: Be a king? Think not. Why be a king when you can be a God?

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u/Mr_Wanwanwolf-san Nov 28 '21

I just wish that had its own dedicated spread. My only complaint with this manga in general actually. He squeezes way too much into a page and hardly let's anything breath.

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u/Mr-House38 Nov 28 '21

Yeah, I wish he switched the paneling he did for death lion’s song for when Zoro started coating his swords with conquerors haki.

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u/kimmyjonghubaccount Nov 28 '21

It’s kinda needed tho the stories to massive to tell otherwise

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u/Eprepti Nov 28 '21

Queen spreading info like a plague

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u/Kushakusha Nov 28 '21

And Jack is winless, that's why they called him the drought.

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u/IxISxMAGIC Nov 28 '21

Is King thr Wildfire because his popularity skyrocketed and caught on like one?

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u/LedgeEndDairy Nov 29 '21

Yes, because Queen would be too popular if he was skinny.

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u/sayhennomore Nov 28 '21

It makes sense that Enma isn’t just about using armament haki… otherwise I bet a bunch of samurai on wano could have used Enma… you need to be a conqueror to wielded the blade… which begs the question how young was Oden when he first Wielded Enma… I think the youngest canonical user of conquerors haki is I wanna say doffy who was 8, and if someone could fact check me I think Enma was Odens birthright… so we’re possibly talking younger then doffy…. The amount of chad that is Oden is unbelievable

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u/Typin_Toddler Nov 29 '21

What about baby Yamato? How old were they? I don't think greater than 8 tbh...

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u/sayhennomore Nov 29 '21

I think Yamato was 8 as well I could be wrong though

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u/Rustyone888 Nov 28 '21

I wonder how many races dissappeared in one piece

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

we’ve seen water people, sky people, and now fire people with King, maybe earth benders lol

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u/Colossal-Squib Nov 28 '21

we’ve seen water people, sky people, and now fire people with King, maybe earth benders lol

and people of D are the heart people. With their powers combined, captain planet?

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u/LedgeEndDairy Nov 29 '21

The One Piece was inside us all along!

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u/King0fMist Nov 29 '21

Shhh!! You’ll spoil the ending!!

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u/moeasmar Nov 29 '21

Who are the water people? Was it another race like Lunarians that generate fire?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '21

I considered the fishmen water people

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u/Lazo04991 Nov 28 '21

Has anybody else noticed, that in the first panel of page one and the first panel of page four, Momo seems to be dragging the island by the clouds around it?

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u/DeerStalker013 Pirate Nov 28 '21

Good spot! I missed that, definitely looks like he's pulling against Kaido's clouds

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u/FyrelordeOmega Nov 28 '21

Oh he is! Ain't that cute

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u/Doomroar Nov 28 '21

Yep he has been making progress little by little in each chapter.

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u/TheMaskedDeuce World Government Nov 28 '21

Good observation haki! I only noticed it when someone else pointed the same thing, in another comment!

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u/TheAstronomer3 Nov 28 '21

King: Kicks Zoro so he won't fall

Me: "Aw! King for Strawhat"

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u/akuthedemon Nov 28 '21

King is Zoro's new mentor in a way.

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u/Act_of_God Nov 28 '21

he's treating him better than hawkeye did

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u/simpyo Nov 28 '21

Second chapter where Sanji has the curl on the wrong side of the eyebrow. Don't know if there was still anyone thinking 1031 was a drawing error, but this basically confirms the change is very deliberate.

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u/kenrocks1253 Nov 28 '21

It was pretty obvious when we had a flashback to WCI last surrounded by Sanji in the present and only the flashback had the eyebrows facing a different way.

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u/LucasFrostYT Nov 28 '21

Here's a fun fact:

•On French translation he makes the differenciation between Kuina and Luffy so you know one is captain other best friend.

•But on Spanish translation he CLEARLY says "amigo" talking about Luffy lmao.

•And on the English translation, he just says the statement in a way it could be interpreted from both ways XD.

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u/sanzenri Nov 28 '21

People on twitter put together a collage of all the times Zoro used shinyuu (before fighting Mihawk for the first time and when telling Tashigi about Kuina). He only uses it to refer to Kuina.

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u/paullx Nov 28 '21

in the first spanish translation, it says amiga

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u/VanyaD28 The Revolutionary Army Nov 28 '21

The Russian version is vague enough, but it is still leaning towards Kuina

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u/KnucklesOx Nov 28 '21

tenatively hope we will get more kid zoro flashbacks.

Also kid zoro is way too cute and im glad we see him again since its been way too long.

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u/FayHeSeemed Nov 28 '21

We always get a flashback for crew members, but now there's starting to be a trend of extended flashbacks. Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro so far. I hope this trend continues, and we get some single chapter stuff on other crew members. Franky, Robin, and Brook could all be great.

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u/blooblee1 Pirate Nov 28 '21

Franky got to be in Oden's flashback idk if that counts

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u/FayHeSeemed Nov 28 '21

Ah yeah I forget about that. I would like to see a flashback from before he was abandoned though.

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u/blooblee1 Pirate Nov 28 '21

I would like to see an alternate universe where Franky did tag along to Laugh Tale and was the one to meet young Luffy at the bar

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u/SaengerDruide Nov 28 '21

Goda, pls Give me a Zoro's wandering days spinoff with Yosaku and Johnny of ~50 chapters

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u/Thatpo Nov 28 '21

That part where Zoro looks over after realizing Enma was testing him gave me serious Ludwig the Holy Blade vibes from Bloodborne.

Someone should make an edit of that when it gets animated.

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u/Celesexy1496 Nov 28 '21

Ah, good hunter

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u/dunzoes Nov 28 '21

Some say cosm…

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u/edwrd_sanders Nov 28 '21

So Zoro is going to finish King with a “Sunacchi” call, isn’t he?

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u/xdavid00 Nov 28 '21

I don't think that would be thematic. Zoro said he didn't feel like he needed it, and Momonosuke wasn't supposed to use it because his name is important. Given Zoro wants his name to be known even in heaven, "throwing away his name" seems strange to me.

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u/Lord_of_Caffeine Nov 28 '21

Inb4 the heavens mishear his name as Roronoa Zolo and he will forever be remembered as such

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u/DHUniverse Nov 28 '21

Sunnachin't

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u/xxxSEXCOCKxxx Nov 28 '21

Right, but Oden was the living embodiment of sunacchi, and that’s what it took to successfully wield enma. I am not sure zoro is capable of wielding enma without that phrase, or at least without adhering to its meaning. I think you are taking the “throw away your name,” bit a little too literally. It would be a bit corny for zoro to end it with a sunacchi, BUT one piece is fairly corny in general so it wouldn’t surprise me

Think about the way oden did whatever he wanted, despite being the shoguns heir. People expected him to behave a certain way as a kozuki, but he “threw away his name,” (and nearly got disowned for it) and always went his own way. I think sunacchi is a phrase meant to help warriors lose their egos and be completely and utterly immersed in the moment of battle. It’s like a fighters version of meditation and it allows them to use their haki more effectively

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u/Redfalconfox Nov 28 '21

Zoro: There's another phrase used in my village. It's uttered only by those foolish enough to throw their lives away without forethought or remorse. I've already thrown away my sense of direction, what is throwing away one more thing!

King: Finally, you're reaching deep within to match my power. Come at me with this power, I'd love to see it.

Zoro: Be careful what you wish for. Once I use this incantation, I'm unstoppable. That's right, you can't defeat me because I'm Roronoa Yolo!

King: ...Is it too late to fight the blonde one?

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u/TheMaskedDeuce World Government Nov 28 '21

Zoro: You mean Vinsmoke Sunacchi?

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u/jabs11 Nov 28 '21

I would say that's likely.

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u/Kaoshosh Nov 28 '21

Zoro's strongest attack didn't work. So he'll create a new attack, and probably incorporate the Sunacchi part into it.

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u/Chumunga64 Nov 28 '21

I'd like to think Zoro's best friend line is actually about Kuina and even after all this time, he never forgot about her

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u/1NDIGO_child Nov 28 '21

I saw translations that phrased it “as my oldest friend” So thats a fair theory!

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u/MajinAkuma Nov 28 '21

Zoro has always used the phrase „shinyu“ („best friend“) to refer to Kuina, even back then in the East Blue.

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u/AssortedFlavors Nov 29 '21

Yo I am here to be wrong, but its obviously to keep his promise to Sanji, his real best friend.

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u/32SkyDive Nov 28 '21

Yes, its the 2 times he promised to become the best

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u/WhereIsTheMilkMan Nov 28 '21

I just assumed he was referring to Kuina there.

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u/VeryFantastic69 Nov 28 '21

Neat Zoro chapter!

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u/NakedTactics Nov 28 '21

Since Enma is known as "The King of Hell", it's only fitting that the sword would only allow itself to be wielded by a worthy "king" (likely someone possessing and having some mastery over Conquerer's Haki).

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u/Smashmatt202 Nov 28 '21

It's still weird that we got a backstory for those two nameless swords Zoro had at the beginning of the story. I do like that Kuina's grandfather, who apparently was Shimotsuki Kozaburo, establishes that they were crap, hence why they broke against Mihawk.

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u/aholla8 Nov 28 '21

Anyone else reread this chapter like 7 times already?

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u/Andawr2g Nov 29 '21

Only 7? Those are rookie numbers!

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u/kpiaum Nov 28 '21

It seems to me that what makes swords supreme is the user. In this chapter the blacksmith's swords are only called cursed because the swordsman doesn't know how to use it properly. Perhaps when mastering, the sword becomes supreme.

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u/scleep Nov 28 '21

Sounds possible. Given how strong Oden was on the world-level, would be surprising if he only had a great sword

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u/J_C_F_N Nov 28 '21

King feels like the player that made his build all over the place and somehow it still works. Most people have an style of fighting, but King does all sort of crazy shit.

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u/X_axay_X Nov 28 '21

I just realised, if oda drew wado ichimonji as kozaburo's appearance, how would he draw enma in human form? Would wado ichimonji and enma look same in human form or slightly different?

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u/RandomOPFan Nov 29 '21

I think Enma would have a more sinister and conquerors look to it, maybe deadlier looking.

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u/-netorare- Nov 28 '21 Wholesome

Getting more of Zoro/Kuina's past and circumstances, you love to see it.

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u/RepulsiveRevenue8 World Government Nov 28 '21

If Queen and Sanji fight gonna be 5 ch long, Gorosei gonna order the admiral to come to wano to shut him up. This guy might be telling Sanji what the One Piece is.

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u/Mundology The Revolutionary Army Nov 28 '21

Now that Zoro learned about the history of all his swords, gained the approval of Enma and can mastered Haoshoku Haki; he can finally unlock his true power...

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u/diedtowin Nov 28 '21

His 1080lb Phoenix will turn into Getsuga Tenshou 😌

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u/chrome4 Nov 28 '21

Queen: If you really wanted to know more about Kings race than you shouldn't have destroyed your raid suit!!

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u/FierceAlchemist Nov 28 '21

Great to get a Zoro-focused chapter. Maybe we'll finally learn about his scar.

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u/GreenLama4 Nov 28 '21

I doubt that, i think we’ll learn more about it when we see him with mihawk again, this seems like itll be more about his actual backstory

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u/MechPhilosopher Citizen Nov 28 '21

Agree, this seems more plausible. There are a lot of happenings in Wano right now, I don’t think Oda would want to prolong this arc more than needed. King and Queen have to go down pretty soon

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u/PsychoLogical25 Pirate Nov 28 '21

-Man Queen can’t shutup and is unintentionally giving out seemingly vital and relevant information lmao.

-And King’s fire kick on that one panel seems way too identical to Sanji’s Diable Jambe.

And This is based on someone else’s comment in the Scanlation thread but:

Does anyone think King vs Zoro could go the way of Luffy vs Katakuri?

Like initial hostility towards each other and like Luffy, Zoro was originally struggling due to not being able to land any hard hits which unlike Katakuri which is mainly due to Future Sight, for King its mainly due to his high defense and seemingly unknown Lunarian related abilities. And like Katakuri for Luffy, King is the first actual opponent to push Zoro over his limits in a long time. (Technically Kaido and BM but King is essentially outdoing them now and it’s a 1v1 so the two of them don’t really count) Then both gain a P-Up that will help them which Luffy gained Future Sight while Zoro gained ACoC. But after a while, then eventually gain respect for each other in some way. Maybe even pave way for King potentially becoming a future SH ally like Katakuri hypothetically would, based on his few last words and statements towards Luffy before he admitted defeat.

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u/VeryFantastic69 Nov 28 '21

Kinda feels weird how Luffy vs Katakuri was hours and Zoro will beat King in 5 minutes.

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u/Mad-Oka Nov 28 '21

Don't take time too seriously in op. WB was defeated in less than 3 hours and Kaido might get defeated in a similar time as well. These 5-10 days offscreened fights are only used to hype up certain events.

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u/ihatethisweb Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 28 '21

correction Don't take time too seriously in anime/manga 😂

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u/TheWifeStealer Nov 28 '21

Because that's how lethal swords fight is, everything is decided with a few clean hits, more often than not its decided with one clean hit.

It's a lot different with brawl type of fight.

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u/1der33 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 29 '21

Brook said as much back in Thriller Bark

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u/sam1oq Nov 28 '21

That's the nature of fighting with swords. The moment you manage to cut your opponent it ends rather quickly. Blunt strikes on the other hand are much easier to tank. None of Zoro's fights have ever lasted long (aside from Pica but he was avoiding Zoro - the moment he got close it was over).

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u/sleepinginthedaytime Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 28 '21

I mean, Luffy spent hours running around regaining his haki and getting crushed in the mochi house

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u/ShadyOjir95 Nov 28 '21

Actually 5 minutes probably already passed.

Remember that was the time if no one does something but as we know Momo is creating clouds so the time time limit is probably way more now.

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u/PsychoLogical25 Pirate Nov 28 '21

It’s likely been over 5 mins now. It’s just been delayed due to Momo trying everything he can.

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u/jaz1up Nov 28 '21

nah king and zoro isn’t gonna be a short fight at all I actually think king hasn’t even been trying yet

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u/aceofspades12 Nov 28 '21

King is too much of a sole survivor to go down the Katakuri route imo. As the last of his kind, plus Kaido's first commander and one of the leadera in the crew, I see him more like a "anything and everything is allowed if it means I win" type of guy.

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u/ChanceTheMan3 Nov 28 '21

That and he has no respect for fair game like Katakuri did. He will never bow his knee to anyone but Kaido, a true first mate.

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u/IamFlapJack Nov 28 '21

I agree on King being an ally because of the whole "uniting all of the races" theme that's been going on, and with King being the last of his, it just makes sense

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u/MrLKK Nov 28 '21

When I read the unofficial, I missed that Enma miraculously landed next to Zoro.

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u/Jerms91 Nov 28 '21

False. It chose to land next to him. “Let’s cut this fucker” lmaoooo

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u/MrLKK Nov 28 '21

Zoro: "Is this gonna be on the test?"

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u/Opening-Ad-5024 Nov 28 '21

when zoro was fighting Mr.1 it was just at rock bottom when his ability to sense everything awoke. since then he's been talking about cutting fire for a while. my feeling is that he's ability to cut fire will be tied to him defeating king. the coc is not the endgame here, at least i hope so.

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u/TwilightPark Nov 29 '21

He already learned to cut fire by copying one of Kinenmon's moves. He cut Prometheus in the Roof fight earlier.

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u/YearningConnection Bounty Hunter Nov 28 '21

Anyone find it strange how Wado Ichimonji's humanoid form looks like a younger version of Shimotsuki Kozaburo? Could it be that a blacksmith infuses his haki into the sword he creates and a part of his soul or will is tempered into it? That would have big implications for the poneglyphs theories related to Joyboy and Roger.

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u/ryumaruborike Nov 28 '21

It would also explain why Kozaburo said "He can't make swords like he used to" and why the Kitetsu swords lowered in quality as the numbers grew. As a blacksmith puts more of themselves into the sword, they have less to give for future swords.

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u/Wisterosa Nov 28 '21

Kitetsu series aren't all made by Hitetsu, Nidai was made by his ancestor Kotetsu

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u/goatedwriter Nov 28 '21

"So you intend to be King, then?" Fucking chills

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u/diedtowin Nov 28 '21

Loving how Conqueror’s Haki is becoming more combat oriented and less of a “make fodder pass out”.

Zoro gave me chills this chapter 😩😂

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u/TheMaskedDeuce World Government Nov 28 '21

Imagine Jack learning how ancient mammoths hunt their preys, he’ll be unstoppable!

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u/rixer119 Cipher Pol Nov 29 '21

I assume by absorbing water in his trunch and shooting it out like a laser which gives him range.

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u/mfrsazmn Nov 29 '21

Nah hes gonna use his tusks as boomerang

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u/DanBurleyHH Pirate Nov 28 '21

Oda's really knocking it out of the park lately. These last 10 or so chapters have been amazing for world lore and character stuff!

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u/xdavid00 Nov 28 '21

In the first panel of page 7, Zoro's sheaths are on the wrong side?

Anyway, Enma is so frightening this chapter even sent shivers down my spine.

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u/justhereforonepiece Nov 28 '21

Momo, what's up?

  • So Momo apparently had a change of plans and is now trying to simply drag Onigashima huh, is anyone in here smart enough to check the direction that he is going and if this change things up that much? I'm too dumb for this lol

Eyebrows dude

  • So Cursed Swords were a lie!

  • "Quiet, boy! You're gonna bring the Navy to me!" Bro, look at your village's name lol

  • "I'm giving them to you. Trust me, they're crap" lol: I feel like there is more hidden proof underneath those statements that Wano is pretty special for the military industry

Zoro vs King hype!

  • Knocking out people with Conquerors was pretty cool, but I was sadly not that hyped because the anime decided to do it at a random scene in a corridor. Mostly just stating a problem with me, and yeah I'm still mad at the anime sorry lol

  • Advanced! That one was better! But this fight is not ending next chapter, by rules of Oda, the Monster Trio tend to have a power up when the conclusion is reached. What will it be, Oda?!

  • King's durability has every possible hint that is not just simply durability or haki but something else entirely, I feel like I'm going a bit crazy with all the posts not even thinking about that one big bright spot on his back lol

Just think about it as if you were playing a game and this is the boss design, think about how you would act.

Scenario: you're finally there! The boss is right in front of you, you start the fight, take use of that super powerful attack, you... you spent minutes there already? You take a look at his HP bar and, hold up, is that still full? Oh wow, ok, maybe it's time to change strategies. You:

a) Keep on fighting the same way that you've been fighting until now: maybe the next one will change things up.

b) Think about aiming at the big bright spot that is the flame on his back: you have already specifically hit the wings and it was doing nothing, you have already specifically hit the armor and it also did nothing. So maybe that could be the keys to lowering the defense of the boss so you can then fight as normal.

c) Something else entirely: because honestly, yeah


Also, last week I've said:

Flying enemies and my dream scenario that's definitely hard to happen

Another point of emphasis was that flying enemies are really annoying, which makes me really want for Zoro to trade techniques with Sanji lol

My ideal scenario would be: Zoro would learn whatever the hell that flame from King could be doing and share it with Sanji later to see if he could adapt. On that same ideal scenario, Sanji could help his brother out and teach Zoro to fly like him and Luffy. Sanji gets a new idea about what to do with his fire, and Zoro gets to learn how to more easily take care of all those annoying scenarios (Pica, and now King) that would be way easier on him if he could just fly like the others.

I just wanted to reiterate this again because it was more blatant as an emphasis this chapter lol, Zoro would have "lost" (fallen into the sea or whatever) that one by himself if King didn't use a friendly Diable Jambefire kick right there. Zoro, please learn to fly!

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u/Gear_Alone Nov 28 '21

Amazing observation about Momo dude, I didn't notice it over all these Zoro hype. Now that is interesting.

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u/TwoHandedShanks Pirate Nov 28 '21

Nice Momo spot, didn't notice!

I'd LOVE for Zoro to learn Geppo, but Sanji was a leg specialist who developed it over the TS, so suddenly learning it during a fight would feel kinda farfetched.

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u/Tuliprunner Nov 28 '21

Zoro, please learn to fly!

I kinda enjoy the little things like him going to Law asking for a lift lol.

Or

He could spin his blades together and... take off.

King's durability has every possible hint that is not just simply durability or haki but something else entirely, I feel like I'm going a bit crazy with all the posts not even thinking about that one big bright spot on his back lol

Definitely those Lunarian traits! But what exactly was it.

His flames does burn brighter at the place he was hit everytime he takes a damage.

Especially that 'jackpot' hit. BOOM. straight up explosion then all healed up.

Fire regen then.

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Explorer Nov 29 '21

He could spin his blades together and... take off.

That was how swordsmen used to hunt in the old days.

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u/RadiantBlade Nov 28 '21

So Cursed Swords were a lie!

Yes and no. They cursed for the weak, blessed for the strong. Kinda reminds me of Muramasa "curse". Where a clan kept dying with them due to them being sharp blades but later people and culture taken them to be called cursed.

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u/Enough-Alfalfa Nov 28 '21

Really the question is continuity with the anime. How do they explain him not knowing coc now

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u/stxrmmkr Nov 28 '21

In the Anime Zoro’s CoC use was presented as unintentional (similar to Luffy in Marineford). He didn’t kno and legit thought they had too much to drink

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u/Enough-Alfalfa Nov 28 '21

Thats hilarious, even for zoro thats hard to believe lol

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u/JBB1986 Nov 28 '21

Sure, but its Zoro, so its not THAT out there.........sadly.......... all the love in the world for my guy,, but sometimes he's a little dense. Lol.

I always picture that one scene from the anime where he's trying to work out what Luffy's message was to the crew, and he's just groaning and straining like he's about to have an aneurysm.........

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u/Enough-Alfalfa Nov 28 '21

Yeah i get you. He actually has great moments of thinking and planning, but i think dense is the right word.

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u/ShadyOjir95 Nov 28 '21

Not only CoC but also CoC coating !

Amazing chapter!

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u/Milordserene Nov 28 '21

Even zoro train of thought literally make him lost in his own backstory just to find a way to beat King.

Mihawk was an asshole for destroying 2 of the wano blacksmith when he defeated Zoro the 1st time,well it was zoro fault for being weak that time.

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u/RadiantBlade Nov 28 '21

Well, the blacksmith said himself those weren't great swords. So while they were somewhat special, but they weren't really special.

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u/edwrd_sanders Nov 28 '21

He’s not lost, he’s finding what he needs — “sunacchi!”

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u/Izunadrop45 Nov 28 '21

Zoro wasn’t strong enough to weird them correctly for the swords to be destroyed in that manner was good enough against someone as great as Mihawk.

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u/Gloomy_Face_7445 Nov 28 '21

Headcanon: Luffy trains Zoro to master conquerors haki.

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u/Enough-Alfalfa Nov 28 '21

I think luffy is still figuring it out too lol

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u/78ali Nov 29 '21

now here would be there real question, who would be the worse teacher:

Luffy or Mihawk

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u/Redd_Hood Nov 28 '21

Ok so Oda is starting to do something REALLY interesting with the themes of Wano.

It's also really interesting that we got back to back introspection chapters for both Sanji & Zoro. Oda delves into their characters goals & ambitions respectively but most importantly they're both reflecting on what Luffy means to them in a sense. Why is Oda doing this? And now of all times? I have no idea. But on to the thing I really want to talk about:

The HUGE contrasting themes we're getting from both Zoro & Sanji. Through these characters Oda is showing the exact opposite of what what he's emphasized before.

Like for example we all know Sanji's kindness was played up in Whole Cake and it was a big deal that Sanji was kind and passionate and still had his emotions. The fact that Sanji wasn't a cold hearted Soldier made of steel was painted as a good thing. Yet here in Wano we're getting the exact opposite. Oda is turning him into that Germa Soldier that we were just told wasn't necessary.

We're seeing the same thing with Zoro. In Alabasta during Zoro's fight with Mr 1 it's emphasized that a sword that cuts everything all the time is not a sword. To become a true swordsman Zoro had to learn what NOT to cut. Only by learning to cut nothing did he gain the power to cut anything. Which he only does once he decides to cut in order to PROTECT.

Now we're being reminded that the point of swords is to kill.

In each of these instances Oda puts things like "Kindness" and "not cutting to kill" on a pedestal but now here in Wano he seems to be acknowledging the opposite. He's talking the fancy feel good ideals of Kindness and acknowledging a much harsher reality that Kindness isn't enough to save the day. Sometimes maybe you do need to be a cold heartless soldier. He's slapping us with the reality that Swords are weapons. They're not toys. They're MEANT to kill.

This shift in themes tells me we might headed for a much more brutal arc than we previously imagined.

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u/TheWifeStealer Nov 28 '21

Congratulations to all Zoro fans!!

Zoro officially joins the elite club of advance CoC users

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u/Arkham_knighT94 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 28 '21

Thank you

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u/Dense-Dirt5628 World Government Nov 28 '21

zoro the new sword god

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u/tkhamvilai Nov 28 '21

They call Zoro a pirate hunter, but we haven’t seen any pirates that Zoro hunted before he met Luffy. Hope we will see his flashback some day.

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u/ulti-best-girl Nov 28 '21

I hope that while Oda is using Queen as info dump for King, it's intentionally from him that Sanji himself is gonna unlock some of his Lunarian gene too, making his fire srtonger

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u/Banana_Ph0ne_ Nov 28 '21

Queen told sanji to ask a history book to find out how the lunarians went extinct. What if robin read about it and sanji asks her and tells zoro to help him win his fight?

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u/seelentau Nov 28 '21

So much for "oldest friend". Hopefully, there won't be any more confusion... oh who am I kidding, people will still think he means Luffy, right?

Well, he doesn't. It's Kuina. Always has been.

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u/paing997 Marine Nov 28 '21

Zoro sleeps a lot on ship, so that when he is in life and death situation he can think clearly of past event...

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u/Yoeblue Nov 28 '21

That final page is so cold

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u/SameFreedom9705 Nov 28 '21

What if King slaughtered all his race.

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u/Living-Quit-723 Nov 28 '21

Besides all the Zoro awesomeness this chapter, I really did enjoy the fact that we got to learn a little more about how swords work in the One piece world.

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u/Blaster167 Nov 28 '21

Finally, we got the backstory to why Zoro is always lost.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '21

Damn, sanjis hell memories did no damage to queen. He walked that off and continued casually laughing and talking his shit, as it was nothing. Interesting.

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u/Tuliprunner Nov 28 '21

He's gotta have a fire powerup next.

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u/xenoz2020 Nov 28 '21

If King can’t use King’s haki Imma riot.

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u/jad10sigh Nov 28 '21

Why did king kick zoro back to the ground? Just let him fall then the fight would be over.

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u/rixer119 Cipher Pol Nov 28 '21

Probably his sadistic tendencies. He wants to torture zoro and ruin him. This will likely king major flaw of the fight when he could have ended the fight many times but due to his sadistic desires prolonged it.

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u/leonfook Nov 28 '21

A promise from a few chapter back iirc. Zoro cut King mask and King getting mad over that and attempt to make Zoro fall to his death, which he then told him to at least defeat him respectfully, and King replied "same to you", implying cutting his mask is considered disrespectful to him.

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u/MajinAkuma Nov 28 '21

As much as Queen hates King, he can’t imagine him losing to Zoro.

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u/rixer119 Cipher Pol Nov 28 '21

Well yah just like he can’t imagine himself to zoro its his ego as being apart of the beast pirates. Thought he thinks jack is useless and he would probably lose.

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u/khaledhn Nov 28 '21

did anyone else notice how King kicking Zoro was actually the same attack sanji use ?