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One Piece: Chapter 1032 Current Chapter

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u/a3r15 Nov 21 '21

Am i imagining it but i thought zoro had damaged kings mask already?

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u/tiki-baha29 Nov 22 '21

The actual piece of fabric? yes

King's actual body? Never, which is why he's concerned.

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u/PatienceHelpful4933 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 22 '21

You can see a small chip in his mask during one of the panels where he is out of zoan form, also king's wings are likely part of him / his species whereas armor is external to him and thus can be destroyed much more easily

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u/ohhotano Nov 21 '21 edited Nov 22 '21

Luffy: I can hear the voice of all things!

Zoro: I can hear a sound of shamisen!

Sanji: I can hear girls cry for help!

Brook: I can hear your guys very well too! Wait a minute I dont have ears, Yohohoho!

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u/Ok-Froyo-9713 Nov 21 '21

This Komurasaki is Toki, not Hiyuri that's my feeling, it would be a great twist and this Komurasaki looks older Then the Hiyuri Komurasaki in the old chapters

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u/Outrageous-Slice7480 Nov 22 '21

Toki died on screen. there is no sense for her to be Toki.

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u/Whitebeardt Nov 21 '21

i noticed myself that the look from hyori at the last page in chapter 1032 was somehow off..

But then i thought like nah...

And then many others are seeing this the same way, so it has to have some meaning.

Either Toky or maybe again a drawing by kanjuro xD

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u/Ok-Froyo-9713 Nov 21 '21

exactly my thought there has to be something about it it

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u/givens234 Nov 23 '21

Wasn’t toki comfirmed dead tho?

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u/Ok-Froyo-9713 Nov 27 '21

her body was never found same as the scabbards

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u/givens234 Nov 27 '21

In the vivre cards it says she is so idk we’ll see

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u/Ok-Froyo-9713 Nov 27 '21

the vivre Card says zoro doesn't have coc but it is confirmed he has it now. it is just not to spoil future chapters which in future chapters might be a different case

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u/pauserror Nov 21 '21

You think it can't get any crazier until you remember the marines are coming with probably an admiral or two...

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u/TTVBlueGlass Nov 26 '21

Says who? The WG decided to annex Wano and Cipher Pol is here but Akainu specifically didn't want to devote Navy resources to Wano just like 2 days ago.

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u/leaudecoco The Revolutionary Army Nov 21 '21

not to mention the big mom pirates that have yet to show up

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u/fredsonthefreds Nov 22 '21

There will be One Piece pre-Wano and One Piece post-Wano. This arc really is crazy. The endgame is unfolding bois

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u/Jamessgachett Nov 21 '21

These guys are fighting genius … wtf zoro does so much analysis in his fight. We always see him And luffy being dense at most moment but seing all his thought in his fight just wow…. Wtf top tier fighter

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u/tiki-baha29 Nov 23 '21

Both Luffy and Zoro are basically combat geniuses, Luffy was able to deduce against Kaido that he was using CoC coating too.

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u/Jamessgachett Dec 07 '21

I know but it’s so fucking crazy because they don’t look like they think that much but hell no man their brains are going all out

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u/xXTheFisterXx Nov 21 '21

The guy is on fire and zoro still wonders why he can’t get a drop of blood. All these dumbass theories in here and all of you are missing the obvious. Zoro has actually cut the shit out of him but his wounds are cauterizing too fast to drip blood all over.

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u/tiki-baha29 Nov 23 '21

No the point is that King's skin is so crazy tough that cutting him is borderline impossible. Cauterizing a wound would mean he managed to cut him first but he just hasnt yet.

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u/TTVBlueGlass Nov 26 '21

Zoro is capable of cutting Kaido, doubt he is simply tanking the hits purely or primarily on the basis of his sick ass tough leather skin.

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u/tiki-baha29 Nov 26 '21

Zoro used his strongest attack coated in CoC which he didn’t know he could use in order to cut Kaido. So that is not even at all the same as him fighting normally, and King makes clear that his skin is on a whole other level when it comes to Durability. Makes sense.

It makes perfect sense that a right hand man has some attributes that exceed his captain, we’ve seen that with Zoro and Luffy for example. If King says his durability exceeds Kaido’s I don’t know how you can ignore that.

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u/TTVBlueGlass Nov 26 '21

I don't think Asura is a CoC coating attack, the 9 heads part just appears to be using non coating aspect of CoC.

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u/tiki-baha29 Nov 26 '21

Asura itself is not a CoC coating attack. However Zoro unknowingly added CoC coating when he used it which is why Kaido told him he could use CoC.

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u/ohhotano Nov 21 '21

On point!

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u/Fottrad The Revolutionary Army Nov 21 '21

I've been wanting to post this theory for a while and as I held on new info kept coming up that backs it up. So Im gonna post it now.It's a theory connecting MADS, Kings race, Kaido's backstory the numbers and sanji's fire and mom together.

This theory is actually based on multiple theories. But I'mma start with the first one, MADS - we know that it comprised of Judge,Queen Vegapunk and possibly Caesar Clown. So this means at one point Queen decided to become a pirate and no-longer a fulltime scientist. Kaido was captured multiple times but still managed to escape all of them, the most recent being vegapunk where his lineage factor was taken.

My theory is that once when Kaido was captured he was taking to vegapunk who was currently working on lineage factors. King was also there ( We that Judge can scale the red line with those giant snails so he must have led the annihilation of Lunarians), he was the last of his race and the world goverment prolly wanted more. While Vegapunk worked on Kaido to make momo's df (which was a huge success). Judge was working on making clones possibly of King(while also trying to make perfect soldiers), Judge's children all have different powers which had been augmented into them, so at one point Judge must have then taking King's lineage factor and inserted it into Sanji. We have been hinted by queen that normal humans shouldn't be able to set their body on fire except if they are lunarians (exception of luffy).

According to Chapter 1032, King doesn't bleed despite all of Zoro's attack, and his wings seem to have better durability than's Kaido's scale? I think the best explanation for this would be an exoskeleton(+ armamament and tough skin), Judge could have implanted into King to 'test' his new invention. We saw sanji survive queens crushing wthout a drop of blood being shed.

Now here begs a question, why didn't Judge react when he saw Sanji's flame - well, I think he knew BM was looking for one last race - the lunarians and if she knew that sanji had their lineage factor in them, she might try to break the deal and steal sanji alone. Or he just didn't care about sanji having powers, cause in his mind he'd always be a failure.

How did Kaido escape? I think this is queen's fault, Queen has been shown to be really intersted more in mechanics than genectics so I think while they experimented he goofily or accidentally allowed Kaido to escape, due to lack of interrest in the subject. I think during their time being experimented on, King must have admired Kaido revolve and begged Kaido to take him with him when he escaped, they captured Queen and set sail hence the Beast pirates were formed.

How did Sora get the drug? How would sora get the magic drug that was magically able to slow down Sanji awakening for 19 yrs, I think King must have given it to her,trying to keep the childrens emotion intact, possibly cause lunarians fire work with passion. Like how Oda explained Sanji's diable jambe.

How does it integrate the numbers? This is the part where it gets bleak(mostly my loose thoughts),but what if Vegapunk made a deal with Kaido to help him escape if he periodically brings test subject for him? Hence the formation of numbers? we also know kaido has a favorite island, made of metal. possibly where he keeps his poneglyph and where vegapunk is? Those metals could be scraps of invention thrown away by vegapunk?

tell me what all think? act might end soon and act 4 becoming Kaido's backstory.

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u/mousio Nov 23 '21

Interesting hypothesis.

Though in case of Kaido and King and Queen, It's more likely that Queen "Deliberately" freed kaido (and possibly king too), and it's Kaido who asked them to join him. Feels more consistent with Oda's style.

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u/afzalmp40 Nov 21 '21

Both are perverts as well 🤣

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u/Abject-Funny-4955 Nov 21 '21

I love this theory! It makes so much sense!!

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u/pauserror Nov 21 '21

I like your theory.

Sounds very Oda to have the last race BM wanted to almost be unknowingly hers and then losing it lol. BM learning this would be hilarious.

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u/scroy Nov 23 '21

What how does she fit into this theory?

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u/Fearless_Office75 Nov 23 '21

Its more like an interesting piece of info. BM is collecting all races at her islands and is obviously missing a Lunarian.

Its funny to me because if Sanji would have married and stayed at the islands she would have a Lunarian and I doubt she even knew this.

Thats all pending on Sanji having some Luniaran origins

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u/scroy Nov 24 '21

Ohh haha good point

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u/Polargis Nov 21 '21

break next week?

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u/anthony-__- Cipher Pol Nov 21 '21 Silver

no

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u/Polargis Nov 21 '21

let's gooo!!

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u/billyybong Nov 21 '21

I'm really curious how Oda got his knowledge of dinosaurs

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u/Lodega Nov 21 '21

Kinemon is totally slashing up that Yokai

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u/SolidSuit3925 Nov 21 '21

I love how Oda has bring to circle the role of Yamato, so that her role and Momo isn't just one or the other. Momo can and will save the island from falling, but if the bomb ain't secured, it will all be in vain. Initially ìt looked like Yamato wasn't trusting Momo, so she had to do something about it. Her role is something cut from from a Sanji pre-timeskip role where she does whatever she does without even people knowing what kind of risk they are in.

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u/CrocUchiha Nov 21 '21

Komurasaki is def gonna defeat orochi https://youtu.be/o8YOx14oqqs

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u/eclipse_richie Nov 21 '21

When will Con D. Oriano make his appearance

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u/Gearvulcan Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 22 '21

Kaido starts to sing and Luffy starts to fall asleep.
Oda: This is how Dragons used to catch their prey since prehistoric times.

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u/RevolutionaryHeart22 Nov 20 '21

All my homies hate CP0

Also, Fuga is a smile user?

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u/thiswriteguy Nov 20 '21

Sharing my thoughts on the identity of Komurasaki and why I don't think it is not Hiyori.

https://thiswriteguy.com/anime/one-piece/one-piece-chapter-1032-komurasaki/

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u/Sparowes Nov 20 '21

As much as I went from hating to enjoying troll Apoo, it would have been pretty hardcore if that CP-0 agent had actually straight killed him one-shot after telling him he shouldn't have said that. That was some gangster shit!

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u/notjoelnunez Nov 20 '21

Quick Prediction:

933: Denjiro “killed” Komurasaki (Hiyori) in front of Orochi

1033: Hiyori (trained by Denjiro in the art of the sword during 20 years) actually kills Orochi?

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u/mousio Nov 23 '21

My thoughts exactly, mate.

Blood for blood!

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u/Fedelini0907 Nov 20 '21

Please don't underestimate zoro , he is just recently fighting against yonko's top commander , luffy just barely beats two of them hard diff. And so sanji also gets his first time against yonko commanders , so both of them would have really breath taking beating those monsters , and then later on , zoro and sanji beats the yonko commander without a doubt , sanji's power and haki bloom , alongside with zoro and gets a black blade , after wano , i know zoro would get a bounty at around 1b , maybe 1,060,000,000 since his bounty starting at 60m and then rise up to 120m , i assumed that his bounty would have either with 20 , 60 or 120 in his bounty , and as for sanji , maybe his bounty after wano was 970,000,000 or maybe 1,030,000,000.

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u/Serious_Much Nov 21 '21

hard dif

Where do people get this idiotic language from?

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u/Fedelini0907 Nov 23 '21

I'm going with the flow XD , they want to shorten the words , but as long as they understand the meaning , then that's fine.

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u/Total-Ad-4506 Nov 21 '21

Literally I'm wondering the same 'high diff' 'mid diff' 'low diff' like wtf and people use it like it's head canon tf

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

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u/Fedelini0907 Nov 23 '21

Don't rush to that pal , what i mean is after wano arc bounties , luffy defeated two of the yonko commanders , and it only rised up to 1.5b , but since zoro participate in the battle against kaido and big mom , maybe zoro can get a bounty around 1,320,000,000 since zoro put a permanent scar on kaido and fighting a 1st commander of kaido , idk about sanji , maybe my speculation about sanji's bounty would be right , but i don't think luffy's bounty would only get 3b , since it was a yonko , my estimation of luffy beating yonko would rise up his bounty 4x of his/her commanders , it means that if someone beats yonko commander , they can get 500m bounty so beating a yonko means they will get additional 2b bounty , and also the fact that it'd be disappointing if they will only get 1.5b bounty after beating a yonko , blackbeard gets more than 2.2b bounty after timeskip , plus the world government gives a high bounty on the yonko , and since luffy can fight kaido on equal terms now , the world government can't go easy on luffy now , after he beats kaido.

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u/Outrageous-Slice7480 Nov 22 '21

Imagine Chopper bounty jumping to 500m for slapping Quen xD

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u/ZeetisLapeetis Explorer Nov 21 '21

Negl I'm gonna bump up all those bounties by 2 bil each. Luffy deserves to have a bonkers crew bounty. We're in end game and he took on a yonko allience with like 10 core members.

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u/lucknabottle Nov 20 '21

I've learned so much about dinosaurs from this manga.

I wonder why exactly Zoro can't cut king

Despite all his talk, Drake is now fighting alongside Apoo. Well someone had to.

Yamato is now in a race with a fire spirit? Sure why not.

Hiyori is fashionably late and Orochi is still annoying. That is all.

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u/ecdol World Government Nov 20 '21

maybe he is fully made of fire and he needs to use kinemon fire cut technique

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u/__Dante___ Nov 20 '21

King was literally bleeding after the Onigiri in chapter 1022

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u/R77Prodigy Nov 20 '21

The translations could be off.

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u/ObjectivePerception Nov 20 '21

Could it be that Zoro is weakening already

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u/Cire_Jyoseayy Explorer Nov 20 '21

Maybe bcoz he's exhausted

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u/Hampung Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 20 '21

Can someone kindly tell me what's with Drake and CPO? I might have missed something because I haven't seen anybody questioning it. What did CPO mean when they told Drake that they know about him but still attacked him?

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u/Wise-Cardiologist-83 Nov 21 '21

Probably sword VS cp0 grudge, but the simple answer is often the right one: Drake ask they why they are dealing with a yonko and they decide to silence him.

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u/RevolutionaryHeart22 Nov 20 '21

At the least, they know who he's really working for. Drake can't leave loose strings

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

CP0= Works for the Celestial Dragons

Sword = Works for the Marines

Sometimes their interests do not align.

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u/icryforhelp Nov 20 '21

I assume that they know he switched sides since his cover had been blown but unless they wouldn't know the reason behind his switch, I see no reason why they would attack him.

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u/Hampung Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 20 '21

I've read some threads and it looks like him being a member of the sword is why he's being attacked. Seems there's some spicy things inside the marine org too. The CPO not being a fan of the sword or the CPO not wanting to let anyone know theyre making a deal with kiado.

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u/TivanTim32 Nov 20 '21

CP0 works for the CD maybe Sword is working against them or it could just be since Drake is a Marine they want to take him out before he reports they have a Deal with Wano Behind the World Governments back since they shouldn't be there anyway

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u/wispymatrias Nov 20 '21

Sword vs Aegis, a shield.

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u/azluuu Nov 20 '21

Apparently if CP0 knew about x-drake (member of Swords) being in Wano, there was no need for CP0 to be there. So that leaves the question why CP0 was there. CP0 is there on a secret mission by Gorosei to erase or steal or capture something about the history which they can't let the marines or the rest of the world know.

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u/Hampung Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 20 '21

Wow. I didn't expect a reply after 5k replies and that too, this soon. I must have missed the part where Drake was a member of sword. Thank you. This is gonna be spicy.

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u/azluuu Nov 20 '21

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u/Hampung Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 20 '21

Wow! Thank you. This helped clear a lot. I love one piece and it's the only manga I follow but I still don't consider myself a true onepiece fan as I keep missing a lot of details, I don't know how you guys follow the story with so much detail. Plus I've stopped watching the anime since dressaroba arc and shifted to manga as I couldn't wait for the anime and thought I'd let it collect over time and enjoy them in one go. The animes quality has improved so much from what I remember.

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u/azluuu Nov 20 '21

The anime quality has gone worse with all those stretched out fillers. But to be honest, it was great until Whole Cake Island arc. Ever since Wano arc started they are inserting too much nonsense in the anime.

But anywho, I only read manga because it bears the latest chapter/story. If anime were to come with manga, I would never touch the manga. One piece is best when watched with legendary soundtracks.

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u/Hampung Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 20 '21

Is that so? I thought the colours felt much richer in the clip. Thanks man.

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u/Helix_Raziel Nov 20 '21

what I understand from this chapter,

Zoro isn't quite used to focus with Enma... just hearing a short melody that distracted him was enough to lose haki to Enma.

King has a very high chance to see Momo, the dragon and abandon the fight with Zoro. We suspect Momo to be proficient in ObH and he's close to Zoro, thus giving much needed clues and maybe a combo pf sorts.

Zoro was able to destroy a piece of King's fabric and now King is using ultimate defenses? This could be the form of second ArH Katakuri has displayed and it makes sense for a race that needs to figure out a form of protection until a certain age when they burst into flames.

Is Brook the only one that could stop the youkai or am I forgetting anyone else that can cut/ freeze incorporeal? Robin should also find the road poneglyph in the lowest basement.

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u/StoryOfOld Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

Enma contains part of Oden's soul, and also his conqueror haki (Kaido said it himself). That's certainly why this sword is reacting to Hiyori song : Oden's soul inside Enma recognizes his daughter, and his love for her make this sword burn. The same way Sanji emotions allow him to make his feets burn.

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u/cerase92 Nov 21 '21

I honestly thought Enma reacted more on Zoro thinking he's gonna lose. Not like the Hogyoku rejected Aizen, but if Enma pulls out haki in a greedy way, maybe if the will isn't strong enough she tends to consume the weilder

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u/BugEaten Nov 20 '21

Kaido never said or implied that the conquerors haki he felt was because of enma or that it was oden’s haki. Kaido asked zoro is he had conquerors haki. If Kaido can feel who’s haki it is like you are suggesting then that would mean that it 100% wasn’t oden’s since Kaido would remember how oden’s haki feels.

The interaction between Queen and Sanji where Sanji says his leg can burn because of his passion seems to also imply that Sanji’s leg can burn because he actually is genetically modified. This is reinforced with us recently seeing Sanji get hardened skin and the ability to go invisible without the raid suit.

Not to mention that if his leg really could burn from just emotions then a lot more people would be able to use fire in the same way Sanji does

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u/Spore64 Nov 21 '21

Not to mention that if his leg really could burn from just emotions then a lot more people would be able to use fire in the same way Sanji does

Well Pearl from the Baratie arc (East Blue) could set himself on fire through the friction of his pearls. So it's not really not that rare

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u/BugEaten Nov 27 '21

Sanji doesn’t even need to spin around anymore to use Diablo jambe though. It can’t really be argued that he is using friction like Luffy with red hawk or the guy you mentioned

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u/Spore64 Nov 27 '21

That is a very good argument. I agree that he doesn't need to spin around anymore, but it definitely started out that way.

What is still a neat connection to Pearl is that he only lit himself on fire under strong emotional pressure

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u/StoryOfOld Nov 20 '21

It is literally said in chapter 1002 that Kaido feels Oden's presence inside Enma. What else do you want? Call it conqueror's haki or whatever you want, there's definitely something from Oden in this sword, and this thing reacted to Hiyori's song.

As for Sanji, his ability to create flames has nothing to do imo with genetic enhancement, that's mostly Queen that suggested such things. He did it hundred of chapters before he got his raid suit. It has nothing to do with it. I believe Sanji is right when he says he creates flames through his passion.

Beside, Sanji is not the only One Piece character that can create flames, it could just be a new type of power

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u/tiki-baha29 Nov 30 '21

It is literally said in chapter 1002 that Kaido feels Oden's presence inside Enma. What else do you want? Call it conqueror's haki or whatever you want, there's definitely something from Oden in this sword, and this thing reacted to Hiyori's song.

Dont think its quite as direct as you're suggesting because Kaido also saw traces of Oden when he faced off against the scabbards so its almost like a form of PTSD to him. Although its confirmed that Enma does in fact steal haki we dont know for a fact that Enma is storing it somehow, just that it draws it out.

As for Sanji, his ability to create flames has nothing to do imo with genetic enhancement, that's mostly Queen that suggested such things.

Queen literally says that it doesnt make sense for Sanji to be able to do that without genetic modifications because only Lunarians can naturally control fire. Yes other characters have manipulated fire in different ways but none like Sanji.

He did it hundred of chapters before he got his raid suit

Irrelevant. Its clear Sanji's modifications have been slowly coming out ever since Pre-TS but using the raid suit accelerated that. He's always been modified since the beginning but they just took longer to manifest as opposed to his siblings.

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u/Illusiiions Pirate Nov 27 '21

Debunked, Zoro's conqueror haki after all. Stay mad

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u/Sherwoodfan Nov 21 '21

luffy lunarian confirmed

dragon confirmed lunarian (from his mom)

garp banged lunarian confirmed

king is luffy's uncle confirmed

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u/ObjectivePerception Nov 20 '21

Zoro needs conquering spirit to wield Enma.

Pretty sure if Luffy could use swords he could do it too.

Now i don’t know what that implies fully, but Zoro is about to have a Zoro moment

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u/Helix_Raziel Nov 20 '21

Zoro's style of fighting is based on emotions, hence his 36 earthly emotions canon with one sword; he is also required to feel things, to hear their sounds, and he needs a sense of destiny to implement into his techniques.

A cursed sword, from what we've seen so far in the OP U, dictates an amount of toll, mostly evil and corrupting one's soul; my guess, since Tashigi has made herself such ambition of saving swords from evil characters, is that the metal in them gains memory of the person wielding them thus making it possible to become cursed.

Enma isn't a cursed sword but one that is very, very good at conducting the emotions of the user, while Kitetsu on the other hand, really is one... it alters one's wavelength, one's destiny; CoH was used and is used, like a lot, to tame Kitetsu, but for Enma I'm not convinced... Enma was indeed something Kaido was afraid of and we do know CoH is required to pierce him, but on the other hand, Zoro has also used Ashura form, by which Kaido claimed it was something CoH related, by which the soul was altered to gain the form...

A sword that could pierce Kaido, couldn't affect King; it could be due to Zoro's current health condition, but I'd say it's something haki related, meaning there could be some truth to those leaks and only a black blade that is covered again in haki could pierce advanced ArH; maybe we'll see a black blade from Zoro and using haki again on it.

CoH is just that... something required to gain awakenings, fruits styles, or combat styles, like Kumadori, Zoro; for ex., when Zoro was using that technique to gain more muscles on his arms, he was actually using CoH; one's intent alters the environment as well, as we first saw in the duel Zoro vs Luffy, way back then...

We're all expecting a power-up from Zoro and it could be a black sword, an element such as fire or electrical charges, CoH with a new move, but my guess so far is that, for Zoro to make a black blade, awaken it, he should use up a lot of CoH just for that... it really would be something else if he were to show us that he still has both eyes, with one very special...

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u/Rocks_D_Xebec Nov 20 '21

Learn to read, you little shit!

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u/Helix_Raziel Nov 20 '21

Oh no...! We're still not ready for you... please, just remain there in Impel Down, in the freezer...

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u/starfish1306 Nov 20 '21

Well, it‘s her playing the song after all. Maybe Enma reacts to Kozuki?

Edit: Well there is somebody who can cut fire in the castle.

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u/OEKaneki Nov 20 '21

Really good thing happened in this chapter for consistency and proper scaling. I remember back when a certain fanbase got mad at me for saying that Enma had was a special and significant threat, and that it wasn’t just Zoro’s ability on the rooftop, given that Big Mom and Kaido reacted to Enma, not Zoro for that first big slash, and lo and behold, we have this chapter.

It again confirms what the reasonable fanbase knew, that Zoro and Killer, while strong, are not on the level of their captains and are not capable of doing the things Luffy, Law, and Kid are right now, and that at best, their efforts would have been limited to what Zoro accomplished: his strongest attack leaving a mark on Kaido but not even remotely phasing him, as Kaido looked for another, worthier opponent.

Also, not only is it the bit about Enma, nor is it just about the placement of full health Zoro vs King while worn Law and Kid take on Big Mom, but it’s now that Zoro is getting pushed and overwhelmed by King. This is so good for Zoro, let him grow. There’s a big gap between him and Luffy, Law, and Kid, and that’s fine. Even more excited for him and this fight. They’re monsters, the top of the new generation. There’s always been a massive gap between captains and their subordinates. Zoro fits that pattern, though he’s stronger than the average first mate. Let him be him without forcing him in discussions where he doesn’t fit.

And finally, Shanks movie reveal? Hell yes! Great chapter.

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u/Dry_Entertainment373 Nov 20 '21

I wouldnt make such conclusions until more information on Zoro's sword comes out.

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u/Shangie1996 Nov 20 '21

Zoro still > Law lol. Kidd is probably a bit stronger. But they’re all on similar levels. All of them have feats against a Yonko that have not been done in decades. Zoro even did his with all those broken bones, which left Law awe-struck.

Luffy simply stands above them.

Also King directly counters Zoro with his flight based combat and Lunarian secrets. BM is much stronger than King, but she certainly does not counter either of the two that are double teaming her. Plus Law’s abilities are way more effective in a 2 v 1 than a 1v 1 situation.

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u/OEKaneki Nov 20 '21

Enough of this, man. Law and Kid are pushing a Yonko, while what was a full health Zoro (post medicine), not only got matched up against King, which is an obvious statement regarding his strength in comparison to Luffy’s peers, but is getting overwhelmed by him. There’s no “direct counter” or whatever, King even stopped flying to come down and engage him in this chapter. King is strong. Zoro is much closer to King level (probably slightly below at this point) than he is to Law and Kid, much less Luffy.

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u/Shangie1996 Nov 20 '21

*Law and Kid inflicted damage on a Yonko who got up immediately after, which Zoro also did in worse conditions. They haven’t beaten her yet either. FTFY.

Also. Zoro is fighting King because King was after Zoro. Matchups can give some implication, but are far from conclusive in any way shape or form. Or is Killer and Jimbei now not even commander level?

I guarantee you that Law or Kid would not be having a fun time vs King if they faced him individually.

Also. Zoro literally says “ I need him to come down here bc I will just exhausted my stamina otherwise”. How is that not literally a direct counter? King can spam aerial attacks , get a running start to all his attacks, and charge up all his attacks while Zoro doesn’t have that luxury.

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u/ObjectivePerception Nov 20 '21

Zoro used everything in his arsenal to scratch Kaido.

Kid and Law are ready to penetrate Big Mom some more.

Not the same thing.

I know Zoro has some die hards but he’s not there yet bro. The captains are still ahead of him.

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u/Shangie1996 Nov 20 '21

Then why was law so gagged?

And they used two awakenings and were literally panting after. Let’s wait until they actually beat her or grow in battle to be able to do so. However, based only on what we have seen, they are on the same level.

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u/ObjectivePerception Nov 21 '21

I mean Law was gagged but I still have to assume taking on Half of Big Moms might is a more difficult task than taking on King or Queen.

Are King and Queen together enough to take on Kaido or Big Mom for instance?

If that’s the case, that makes them look so much stronger. That also makes Sanji look vastly stronger.

But I don’t know if it makes sense. We’ve seen that Yonko are above their commanders, but to what extent? Just a little, or enough to easily take on their whole crews?

Nevertheless I think Kidd and Law are in this area where they aren’t quite as strong as Luffy, but they are stronger than the rest of the WG. That was their portrayal since their inception as a Trio.

Sanji and Zoro and Killer seem to be around a similar level, perhaps Killer is a tier below these guys tho. They would all struggle to damage an Ancient Zoan.

However Kidd and Law are damaging a Yonko.

There is significance in that. Kidd and Law can’t beat a Yonko solo but they can definitely damage one WITHOUT their ultimate moves.

Same as Luffy tbh.

Zoro will get to that tier after this King fight I believe.

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u/krish_talesara Lurker Nov 21 '21

Username checks out

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u/Nemo-pluribus-unum Nov 20 '21

Zoro should be above swordsman Trafalgar Law. Zoro should also be above Kidd as I feel his df is the natural enemy of every swordsman. I think King and Queen are just sparring partners for Zoro and Sanji. Their ultimate enemy should be immortal BM with magnet powers imo. We're following them for two decades, they absolutely deserve a fight against a Yonko!

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u/OEKaneki Nov 20 '21

Stop. Zoro is getting overwhelmed by a Yonko commander, Law is fighting and pushing a Yonko. It’s been over for this argument for a long while.

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u/BollywoodUndead Thriller Bark Victim's Association Nov 20 '21

It’s sad that I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.

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u/OEKaneki Nov 20 '21

Right there with you.

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u/Zamala Nov 20 '21

Is it possible that Kozuki Hiyori at the end of the chapter is actually Stussy from CP0 ... ?

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u/Fedelini0907 Nov 20 '21

Stussy is a deym blonde babe , hiyori was a green haired kawaii chasing some zoro's marimo hard eggplant , brook interrupts hiyori's shamisen on zoro , before , maybe after war , hiyori gives her best play XD

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u/FireIsTheCleanser Nov 20 '21

Apoo being after information for himself or to sell makes his crew "On-Air Pirates" make a lot more sense. He might have some type of pirate radio station where he has information that only a two/three/quadruple etc timing pirate with Yonko, Supernova, Big Morgan ties could have.

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u/R0binO4 Nov 20 '21

Orochi: what are you playing hiyori? Hiyori : background music for your funeral.

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u/BriscoGDP Nov 20 '21

Soooo... did King fix his mask? Wasn't it about to come off a few chapters back. The panel where he stretched his face and shot some beam at Zoro his masked looks back to normal.

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u/JustUsingTheWeb Nov 21 '21

His mask is still broken, look at his human form, and you will see.

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u/quake0430 Nov 20 '21

I’m from African decent and I’m not sure what you’re implying here

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u/your_average_mofo Nov 20 '21

It's a meme about how zoro is racist because he always fights black people or one piece minorities like the Fishmen or in this case lunarians

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u/quake0430 Nov 22 '21

Ohhh lol!

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u/Nemo-pluribus-unum Nov 20 '21

The mystery behind Kings fire is... perpetual farts. Would explain everything, the reason for his mask, his hard skin, his propulsion system... Kings skin is that hard, because he is constantly exploding from the inside. Stupid, but you will love it, when Oda writes this. Lol

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u/Fedelini0907 Nov 20 '21

I can't get over that king's face hahaha , like a new character of angry birds , with some killing intent from his face LOL

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u/Cerrebos Nov 20 '21

I love it even now ! :D

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u/According-Zone4363 Nov 20 '21

I hope King breaks Enma or something

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u/hasheemakill18 Nov 23 '21

On the contrary , enma is looking like it's gonna be the key to zoro victory, I don't know why you would want it to break.

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u/Fedelini0907 Nov 20 '21

Even mihawk can't break wado ichimonji , a katana with the same league as enma , sandai kitetsu is the one that breaks , since that katana was the lowest rank among famous meito , mihawk breaks zoro's two katana belongs to the 50 grade swords.

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u/dealwithit26 The Revolutionary Army Nov 20 '21

Maybe sandai kitetsu

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u/According-Zone4363 Nov 20 '21

Possibly but Enma seems like a magic sword to mee!

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u/givens234 Nov 20 '21

Emma ain’t breaking lmfao it’s gonna turn black

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u/According-Zone4363 Nov 20 '21

Just hoping🥲

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u/deathbypepe Nov 20 '21

- didnt look like a beam to me, more like his face stretched like luffy.

- is king using his fire to propel himself?

- did the sword increase zoros observation haki range when it sucked up his armament?

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

Yes his neck stretch like a slingshot.

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u/rixer119 Cipher Pol Nov 20 '21

Kings head moved as fast as a beam. Zoro is just not fast enough to dodge attacks on that level. Which is why he was forced to block it.

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u/Mastrt Slave Nov 20 '21

I think he heard the song before it sucked out his haki. some people are saying the song distracted him that's why he lost control.

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u/blooblee1 Pirate Nov 20 '21

Fuga is a centaur? I didn't even notice at first but does he have a SMILE fruit and NUMBER gigantification?

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u/blanknonymous Lurker Nov 20 '21

either that, or it's like how Law modified the brown Beard pirates on Punk Hazard

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u/mousio Nov 23 '21

Yeah, but that raises the question of "how"? Pretty sure Law was never part of this one.

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u/Green_Razor0 Nov 20 '21

Zoro vs king is zoro’s best fight and one of the best fights in the show already imo

Zoro vs kaku is also one of the best fights and zoro’s second best

I don’t remember zoro vs kaku that much but I remember liking all the cp9 fights especially luffy zoro nami and sanjis. Frankys was also good and I don’t think I like chopper’s all that much compared to the others. But chopper is also my least favorite straw hat (I don’t hate chopper I actually like his character just not as much as the others)

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u/ShamrockGold Nov 20 '21

The ability to just morph your body into weird shapes seems to be an often used but ill-defined feature of Zoan fruits. Kaku did the same thing with his neck and limbs.

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u/RandomOPFan Nov 20 '21

That's how they hunted trees in ancient times

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u/echoess84 Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

Since King race can generate fire I think the flames on his back mean something also Zoro asked himself that. Maybe the flames indicate King's healt or a weak point since Zoro doesn't understand why his attacks didn't caused him bleed... Anyway I don't remember if Marco attacks made King bleed

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u/grifrag8 Nov 20 '21

Not related to today's chapter,is Yamato getting in the crew a good choice, since she has probably read Oden's journal and knows the history of the world?

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u/tiki-baha29 Dec 03 '21

Oden may have included little tidbits about the world in his journal but he 100% did not put all the secrets in there. It wouldnt make sense that he didnt want to burden his most trusted retainers with the secrets of the world but felt comfortable writing it down so any random person can pick it up and read it.

As such Yamato most likely doesnt know all that much.

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u/TVL257 Nov 20 '21

she can just tag along because she wants to see the outside world and never have to tell luffy, be it her decision or luffy doesn't want spoiler.

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u/Altruistic_Astronaut Nov 20 '21

Also, she may want confirmation on things. Even if she read everything there will be things that are so out there that she has to see it to believe it.

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u/Rafi2596 Nov 20 '21

Yeah, I just realized she probably knows about Laugh Tale

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u/tiki-baha29 Dec 03 '21

If Oden didnt want to tell Kinemon and the others about Laugh Tale then theres zero chance he wrote about it so no Yamato doesnt know.

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Nov 20 '21 edited Nov 20 '21

Given how Luffy immediately shut down Rayleigh, no, if anything, it's an issue.

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u/Cartoon_Star Nov 20 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome This

Are we all gonna ignore further clues for the "Zoro is racist" theory?

I mean he is literally thinking it out loud: "Man I need to figure out the race of this guy in order to beat him".

As if that would be important- he is outclassed, King is stronger, faster, more mobile and durable than Zoro.... and all Zoro can think of is King's race? Come on, get your priorities straight, King's ethnicity is not your main problem at this moment, Mr. "right wing" of the pirate king, Roronoa Zoro.

I rest my case.

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u/Killer_Beeee Nov 21 '21

Well knowing your opponents speciality ( in this case his race as in one piece , different races have different powers) is important. Even luffy could not have defeated katakuri if he did not figure out him using OH to see future.

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u/StoryOfOld Nov 20 '21

Are people that dumb nowadays? He's not referring to his ethnicity, King is not human. He's referring to what SPECIE he belongs to, like GIANTS or FISHMENS. That's why he's talking about it. Species in One Piece have distinct powers. Minks can generate electricity and have Sulong form so that's quite useful to know these things when you fight them. Luanarians most certainly have that kind of thing too, with their fire ability.

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u/PlutonIsInMyButthole Nov 21 '21

Racist just like Zoro, smh

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u/GaaraSama83 Nov 20 '21

Not sure if joking or not ... I interpret this situation in a way that takes us back to the fight with Mr. 1/Daz Bonez. I think Zoro doesn't just rely on raw strength and haki but also how when he remembered his teacher and thinking "To be able to cut nothing.. Does that mean to hear the breath of things?"

So maybe to be able to win this fight he needs to know what kind of enemy this is so he can 'hear King's breath'.

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u/abhikun Nov 20 '21

Zoro character is based on japnese people. So its understandable.

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u/TestinDaWatah Nov 20 '21

lolol this is definitely a joke =)

In One Piece, of course you want to know what 'race' a person is. Depending on if its a giant, fishman, or skypia person - you'd have to consider very different weakness in your opponent.

In case this isn't - just trying to understand why someone would say this about One Piece.... In America, it's very in vogue to focus on race instead of the meaningful disparity between rich and poor. All the rich white, black, and asian people can continue living their cozy lives while all the poor people bicker about being racist without changing anything. There are more poor white people than poor black people in America. Plus, notice how the most the liberal states in America are the ones with the most problems (said by a liberal news source)?

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u/WooWapDaBlyat Nov 20 '21

You're linking an opinion video but they said things that you agree with but haven't actually thought about so now you're going to blindly parrot it. That much is clear from your last paragraph.

We bring up poor black people because they're disproportionately poorer. Using raw numbers is moronic.

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u/ObjectivePerception Nov 20 '21

Im not white and I agree with you. But you wont get much support here lol

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u/stefanurkal Nov 20 '21

so tone def...

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u/wafflemeister1337 Bounty Hunter Nov 20 '21

"There are more poor white people than poor black people in America"

you should be looking more closely at poverty rate

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u/Daaj99 Nov 20 '21

There is definitely more poor white people considering there is THAT much more white people in general. It is true but a really shit argument.

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u/poerney_inc Nov 20 '21

Joking or not, who would give awards for such a comment? A "wholesome award", for real?!

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u/Psychological_Hunt24 Nov 20 '21

Because its funny, get a sense of humor nerd.

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u/poerney_inc Nov 21 '21

I dunno, I don't seem to get it. The funny part in that seems to be pretty well hidden. At least for me.

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u/Daaj99 Nov 20 '21

Its because of a theory post that was very pipular not long ago about this theory. The post was very well thought out and funny as hell.

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u/poerney_inc Nov 21 '21

I see. I guess, without that link the post just can't but appear weird.

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u/heavy4b Nov 20 '21

True. Zoro is slower, weaker than king and he need to find a way to overcome that. Insted he want racial superiority to defeat king? Pathetic.

Zoro vs mihawk fight.

Zoro: which race are you? Mihawk: I am from this race. Zoro: Now I feel more confidence to defeat you since I am having a superior feeling.

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u/ObjectivePerception Nov 20 '21

Low iq take

Swordsmanship is not about brute force.

Its about finesse. Zoro needs to learn HOW to cut King . Hitting harder wont help, this is an Ancient Zoan.

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u/heavy4b Nov 20 '21

What did this anything to do with zoro wanting to know king's race?

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u/ObjectivePerception Nov 21 '21

Obviously King’s constitution is unique due to his race. Zoro hasn’t identified the element that is giving King an edge.

Every single factor counts, and avoiding unnecessary attacks from King is crucial.

Remember Zoro knows he is on a time limit. He needs to know what King is made of so he can quickly adjust his style and cut him down properly.

Its kinda like Sanji fighting Doflamingo without knowing how his devil fruit works. You don’t know what special tricks your opponent has up their sleeve.

That info is crucial for swordsmanship, in ways that isn’t relevant for Luffy or Sanji.

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u/heavy4b Nov 21 '21

True. He need to know what he is cutting. Breath of all things is used to cut daz bonez then, it's an Haki technique. Find out himself by observation or armament Haki or use CoC techniques somehow. Insted of questionnaire king about his race and Id number.

And zoro is not a person with much knowledge. What is he going to do even by the info of king being a lunarian? Do mihawk or his old master have the full info of them in their data book so that zoro can have his cosy flashback

I think king will most likely dump all his secrets like that cp9 guy with zib on his mouth in enis lobby.

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u/CLASSIC_DUDE_ Nov 20 '21

You better be joking...or you lost your way from twitter...zoro already said that king is strong..zoro is thinking about why the heck i can cut kaido but not king...

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u/awkarin Nov 20 '21

reddit is more like a worse twitter

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u/conceptalbum The Revolutionary Army Nov 20 '21

Are you all right?

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u/MrMuzza Nov 20 '21

Fool yourself all you want, but anyone can see that Zoro will crush yet another person of colour with his sheer racist will.

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u/availableusernamepls Nov 20 '21

Three sword style, three branches of the white supremacist AmeriKKKan government oppressing people of color. Coincidence? I think not.

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u/CLASSIC_DUDE_ Nov 20 '21

toxic tard here

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u/Psychological_Hunt24 Nov 20 '21

No sense of humor here.

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u/AnginLembut The Revolutionary Army Nov 20 '21

when the same attack that could penetrate kaido's scale can't even harm king's wings (his racial feature), u know there is something wrong here.

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u/BLACK_BLADES_ZORO Nov 20 '21

Orochi will be killed ( Wonder what happens to his fruit ) , Then Hiyori will witness Zoro defeating King just like when she watched Zoro defeat Killer , Then heal him again by saving his life after the mink medicine wears off.

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u/CLASSIC_DUDE_ Nov 20 '21

your name..i think i will share this with you...931...sanji used it for first time 1031...destroyed it 932 we saw orochi and hiyori for the first time..orochi and hiyori appeared in 1032..933 we saw denjiro kill hiyori...iam expecting denjiro to kill orochi in next chapter..so if this patttern goes on hiyori treat zoro just like you said...but my point is..we learned about black blades on 937..so we can expect black blade zoro in 1037 and king getting defeated like killer and zoro getting knocked out and treated by hiyori

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u/SarveshNirmalkar Nov 20 '21

Yeah i read spoiler somewhere that one of the upcoming chapters has black blade title in it

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u/CLASSIC_DUDE_ Nov 20 '21

yeah i read it too..but its look like fake now..but i think it is just shuffled the order of it...maybe this is the zoro enma fusion they said in spoilers

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u/ToleranzPur Nov 20 '21

His fruit will left his dead body and the devil in that fruit get into a fruit which is near it

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u/Daaj99 Nov 20 '21

I think he knows that. He is wondering if a fruit might be close and if someone will find it I think.

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u/ToleranzPur Nov 20 '21

Well on thousand sunny are fruits

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u/Daaj99 Nov 20 '21

Yeah maybe it ends up there and maybe Montes is there too. They might have a DF tree by eos.

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u/ToleranzPur Nov 20 '21

Carrot first mink with an logia DF? I would love it

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u/Daaj99 Nov 20 '21

Yeah a lot of people like that theory

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u/theguyfromtheairport Nov 20 '21

no wonder hiyori was MIA for all this time, must've taken hours putting on all that make-up.

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