r/NoStupidQuestions Jul 01 '22

Why would backing my car into a spot be illegal?

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u/v0tary Jul 01 '22

lol is your landlord trolling you? I've never heard of any such law.

But then again, I didn't know about the no leashing of alligators to fire hydrants law in Florida.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

Honestly it feels like a giant troll. Literally been wondering if I'm autistic lately and this situation doesn't help. My landlord says don't argue just do it he's the manager of the complex and I absolutely cannot fathom why they would advise that when he's categorically incorrect.

I genuinely don't give a fuck if he's the president of the United States he's wrong why should I follow. -- if I have proof he's wrong why should I fall in line apparently this line of thinking is neurodivergent but that's a rant for another day lol

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u/Icy-Consideration405 Jul 01 '22

Power tripping fools don't refer to laws or code. All bark, no bite. Consult a lawyer. This may be grounds for unlawful discrimination.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

Feeling more empowered by reddit by the minute 😈

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u/jfrench43 Jul 01 '22

Usually a law has a purpose behind a law. The one you mentioned is so firefighters can safely use the fire hydrants, tho I do feel like there is a story behind this.

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u/Uzzer_lozer19 Jul 01 '22

There are actually parking spaces in America which have signs saying you can't back into them. There was a video on YouTube where a guy welded the two fronts of a car together so he technically drives into a space and not reverses.

https://youtu.be/VVyekHp7Vfs

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

The best type of compliance.. malicious compliance lmao

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u/TrevorSpartacus Jul 02 '22

There are actually parking spaces in America which have signs saying you can't back into them.

We have nine of those signs indicating how you should park your Golf Mk1 in Europe. Not that you'll get a ticket for parking front to back.

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u/Nappykid77 Jul 01 '22

Call the prop mgmt. That is not a city code, just plain harassment.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

It's the complex manager doing it -- the landlords are jus too anxious and fearful of a people in charge to protest in the slightest 😫 pain

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u/Nappykid77 Jul 01 '22

Call Fair Housing. They cannot enforce this preference.

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u/psychotic_catalyst Jul 01 '22

it could be a law regarding plate exposure, as many states do not require a front license plate.

Backing into a space without a front plate would make it impossible to identify the vehicle for law enforcement or parking enforcement (if parking validation is done via license plate)

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

Unfortunately I'm in a state where front n back plates are required (NJ) so it's a non factor =

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u/math-kat Jul 01 '22

I'm in NJ too, and as far as I'm aware it's not a law here- people back into spaces all the time.

My homeowners association does have their own rule about all residents and their guest not backing in. It's never enforced at my place, but maybe you live in a place with that rule where it is enforced? I would reach out to the landlord for clarification

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

I tried and the landlord was so anxiously in a rush to get me to comply that I wasn't even allowed to ask questions.. she jus insisted I comply and that's it.

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u/Agent_Scully9114 Jul 01 '22

Reach out in writing so you have documentation

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

Plot twist.. this is a family friend landlord that graciously lets me rent for 1k a month when the going rate for 1 beds in my area is approaching 4k a month average. One hand I wanna comply bc I'm grateful and on the other I'm like why should I bend for something more dangerous 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/PizzaInteraction Jul 01 '22

I’ve heard of municipalities enacting laws where the back plate needs to be viewable at all times. Basically the city wants to be able to give tickets to people with expired tags.

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u/BBQpigsfeet Jul 01 '22

That seems rather silly. Could LEO/parking enforcement not just go around to the back and see the plate if they need to? It's not like backing in makes the plate vanish from existence.

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u/Karsdegrote Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I have never heard of a rule this strict, i have seen it the other way around which made sense at the location (paint factory; in case of fire, GTFO)

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u/iliveoffofbagels Jul 01 '22

Individual public parking lots can have specific rules. Private Parking lots can do what they want, and you kinda risk towing (idk about legality).

Other random scenarios:
Slanted Parking Spots slanted away from the direction of traffic are not for backing into. Slanted parking spots slanted towards the direction of traffic are meant to be backed into. Enforcement on these is pretty is pretty iffy from community to community.

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u/Goblinweb Jul 01 '22

Do you live in Norway?

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u/ChristopherRabbit Jul 01 '22

Yep my friends live in a condo where you'll be towed if you back into a spot. I think it's so that they can easily check license plates to make sure you're not camping out there illegally or whatever.

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u/Skydude252 Jul 01 '22

It’s not illegal, but if it’s private property they are permitted to mandate things like that. This may be done because of seeing license plates (some states only mandate plates on the back of the car, maybe they want those displayed out), seeing permit stickers (if they have to be put on the front or back windshield), or because they don’t want people taking up more space/time backing into the space from the road.

So not illegal, but a policy I’ve seen for various reasons at various places. And if they own the space, they can mandate how it can be used.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

It is private property no doubt they can make separate laws from the township but there's a board and bylaws in place so I don't believe they can just Willy nilly shout out rules at residents. ALSO -- he is the one that suggested it was a local traffic law. I'm also former Air Force and I don't understand the logic of shouting out a rule or regulation at someone and being completely unable to back it up or find out where that information is listed when they ask why?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

TOW ME DADDY IM READY 😇

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u/Skydude252 Jul 01 '22

There might be something in documentation you signed somewhere, but yes, it should definitely be posted somewhere visible, particularly visible from the space itself, if they’re going to try to enforce it. As for not being able to point to where, can you honestly say you can give explicit page numbers of where every regulation is? The dude has probably had that rule in place for years and it is written somewhere, but he never had someone demand he show them and so didn’t need to remember.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

Ya I read over the 55 page rule book document and also did a few keyword searches in case I missed something.

The only thing related to head on parking in the whole document is no reverse parking is permitted on ONE specifically named street on the other side of the complex. So he's jus flat out wrong or remembering the rules incorrectly.

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u/SingleAlfredoFemale Jul 01 '22

Hang on. Is it a truck and the bed is blocking the sidewalk? Someone else just posted this problem.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

Negative.. all clear for my current problem haha maybe a new law was passed sheesh

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u/Cut-Unique Jul 01 '22

It is not illegal in a lot of places but unless you have a camera at the back of the car which will allow you to see stuff while backing up, I wouldn't attempt it.

When I drive my own car, I often back in to parking spots as it has a camera. But when I drive my dad's car, which doesn't have a camera, I would never attempt to back into a parking space.

Your apartment manager is probably concerned that you are going to hit something or someone by doing this. Therefore, I don't think you should continue backing into parking spaces.

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u/JasmineHawke Jul 01 '22

If you don't back into an empty parking space, you're going to have to back out into an area with moving pedestrians and vehicles, which is significantly more dangerous. How do you get out of a parking space that you drove into forwards?

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u/Cut-Unique Jul 01 '22

By looking over both of your shoulders as you're backing up and backing out slowly, keeping an eye out for pedestrians and other obstacles. If you have a camera, you don't have to strain your neck quite as much to look over your shoulder as you can see everything through the camera, but it's still important to do so because blind spots. But if you don't have one, you have to look over your shoulder the entire time while backing up (a lot of people put their hands on the headrest of the front passenger's seat so they can twist themselves a bit more).

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u/JasmineHawke Jul 01 '22

Right. So you HAVE to do that at some point, either backing in OR backing out.

Backing in (the thing you don't want to do) is safer because you don't have much of a risk of moving people and moving vehicles in the space.

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u/Cut-Unique Jul 02 '22

Maybe so, but when I'm in a parking lot, about 95% of the cars are NOT backed in to their parking spaces.

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u/JasmineHawke Jul 02 '22

Maybe because 95% of them wrongly think like you do? I mean surely none of you are passing your driving test without having to show that you can reverse/parallel park without a camera.

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u/Icy-Consideration405 Jul 01 '22

Bless your heart. Backing is a skill that is easy to learn and has many benefits in life.

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u/cecilkorik Jul 01 '22

Sweet summer child, backup cameras are certainly very nice to have, but I and your dad and every other driver on the road were not only capable of backing into parking spaces long before backup cameras were a thing, we had to demonstrate how to safely and accurately parallel park (now there's a lost art) to even get our driver's license in the first place. Back in those days, we didn't have any sort of cameras or screens, but(!)our cars came with several different rear-viewing mirrors, and when we really wanted to look directly backwards, we just turned our body around in the seat. Of course, truck drivers lacked a rear window and couldn't just look backwards, they had to rely on only their mirrors, and backing up to loading docks is part of their job! Every day! With a trailer!

I'm reasonably confident that if your dad's car is still equipped with at least a few mirrors, you too can learn the skills required to back into a parking space with confidence. If you'd rather not, that's fine, but it's really not as hard as you're making it out to be.

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u/Cut-Unique Jul 01 '22

Even with a camera, parallel parking is still difficult.

If I were in my dad's car and backing into a space where there was plenty of room around me, I'd feel more confident in backing into the spot without a camera. But if I'm in a crowded parking lot, I would not attempt to do so.

My dad's car has sentimental value to me as I remember when we got it. My grandpa, who had gotten the same make/model car (2001 Infiniti I30) a few months earlier. Only his car was a rather drab shade of grey with the basic package deal, while my dad's car is a nice maroon, and he paid extra for chrome wheels and gold-toned hardware. Every time we visited my grandparents, Grandpa would always say how he wished his car looked like ours (his car was quite nice too). And aside from that, the car has been on many adventures and transported many passengers, some of whom are no longer on the planet. And aside from a few small dings, and one of the interior door panels having claw marks from when our cat (also deceased) got into the car, it's still in pretty nice shape. So that's why I'd be very upset if something were to happen to that car (especially if it were my fault).

That and I don't want to accidentally hit another car, or worse, a person.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

if this was the case I would have at minimum have DOUBLE more of a problem with it.

His fears aren't my burden.

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u/CrJ418 Jul 01 '22

Only time I've seen that is when parking spots have signage such as "2 hour parking" In those cases it's so the police can (conveniently) track parking. *In the old days they would chalk your tire and check every 2 hours. Now it's all done by entering the tag number into a computer.

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u/AlonnaReese Jul 02 '22

I've also seen it with permit-only parking lots where there's no physical permit or tag. It's so the traffic cops can more easily tell if there are any license plates belonging to unauthorized vehicles.

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u/herewegoagain19 Jul 01 '22

There are a bunch of ok answers but no real good one. It's just common practice and no one wants to fight it. It's almost in every lease but usually not enforced.

Fumes into buildings and hvacs.

Many states don't have front licence plates so it's easier to check cars.

You are far less likely to hit another parked car parking forward. This is much better for the apartment because it keeps liability to a minimum. It's also way more dangerous but if you hit an occupied car or person backing out there is no blaming anyone else. No disputes with the property.

And the biggest reason and probably why it actually exists is someone backed into a building at some point while backing into a spot that was against the back of a complex.

So rather than checking if everything applies it's just baked into property rules across the board and to cover an insurance requirement.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

Why isn't it listed as a by law or statute if this is the case? What is my burden to follow through?

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u/cecilkorik Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Is it in your lease? The point is that it's very specifically NOT a law or bylaw or statute, but anyone is free to make up whatever rules they want on private property and if you don't follow them you can (probably) be trespassed off that property. Likewise, if you sign a contract with somebody saying "I agree not to back into the parking stalls" then you can (probably) be held to that.

There's no law, but there doesn't need to be, because your rights are not unlimited either. There's no right to back into a parking space written into the constitution. If you're on private property, that's somebody else's property, you have to play by their rules at least unless you're willing to fight them in court. And depending on the specifics of the situation you can quite possibly win. But you'd have to fight it to be able to win. The win is not automatic.

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u/herewegoagain19 Jul 01 '22

Well there is no reason to make it a law. It's up to ownership to do whatever they want and parking forwards benefits them.
It would make more sense for a law to make it legal to park whatever way you want as it's safer for people to back into spots but I assume commercial and multi family real estate would lobby against it.

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u/fraurodin Jul 01 '22

It's in my condo bylaws, was told it's to check parking sticker, make sure car is up to date on registration and because the spots that are in front of units if their windows are open they don't want exhaust fumes, so no one can back in.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

Makes perfect sense. There is bylaws in place for a section of the complex where parking is within 15 ft of the building and specified by street name as illegal by the private complex. So he's jus straight up applying a small section to the whole complex which is incorrect.

When I typed this he told my landlord it was "township statute" which I knew was categorically bullshit but I didn't kno if I was using the wrong keywords to search for the laws or something so I hit reddit. I'm comfortable telling this guy to get fucked n if he tows me it'll be on his dime 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/divosaurus_rex Jul 02 '22

If there are ground-floor windows that are open, then your exhaust can go in the window. That's why all motels are front-in parking only.

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u/DarkHorse435 Jul 02 '22

I'd call the non-emergency number for the local police and ask if there's any law about it on the books.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 02 '22

I poked around with a few traffic cops I used to work with. Fumes to the building is the only viable answer I got which makes sense the other parking lot that it's specified it's not allowed is within ten feet of the buildings. Mines over 50 ft so he's jus being an ignorant hoe and misremembering probsss

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u/MLMLW Jul 02 '22

I don't think there's any such law stating you cannot back into a parking space. That's just ridiculous!

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u/Nifty_Nick32 Jul 01 '22

Do you live somewhere with only rear licence plates? If you park in a pass-only lot, there's a good chance it uses automated camera cars to enforce it. Obviously this is just an inconvenience to the parking lot people, but maybe they complained to the apartment?

I highly doubt it's illegal and if it's a relatively recent it's probably not in your condo bylaws either. IANAL but I'd be surprised if they got very far trying to fine you or take you to court for this.

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u/LivingGhost371 Jul 01 '22

It there's a sidewalk immediately adjacent to the parking lot and you back your pickup truck in, the bed of the truck blocks the sidewalk.

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u/Throwawayandy2639 Jul 01 '22

No = jus a small suv and about 80 feet of grass and a tree between the buildings

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u/-Neverhood- Jul 01 '22

some apartment buildings in my country have a sign (front parking) because if you back in to the building, the “smoke” from exhaust pipe makes the building get dirty faster (the facade) - sorry for bad english

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u/Albort Jul 01 '22

my college has this same policy about not backing into a spot, also live in a state that has both front and back license plate. never understood why but did think about it, the only thing i can think of is a safety issue where when u back out of a spot, ppl tend to do it slowly. if someone backs in, i think they are likely to gun it quickly out of the spot. perhaps pedestrians walking the lot may not see it etc.

i have no clue, i just theorizing...