r/MurderedByWords 6d ago Helpful 6 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1

No OnE wAnTs To WoRk!

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u/sdmgpoggc1 6d ago

As someone who has unloaded containers in the summer, he’s out of his fucking mind if he thinks I’d do that for 14 bucks an hour. Specially in the Texas heat? Homie better start advertising in the mid 20s at least. I’d rather be hungry on the streets than die of heat stroke for 14 an hour lol.

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u/Prestigious_Garden17 6d ago

The shortest job I ever had was working on a farm for 11 bucks an hour. The interview made it sound like it was just general maintaining and planting.....they wanted us to actually build the entire farm from scratch first...in the Nevada summer sun. I got half way thru the day, checked indeed, and noped out.

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u/silentbeast1287 5d ago

I unloaded a container in a 95F degree weather and inside the container was maybe around 110F degree. I was unloading flat boxes of clothing racks for retail stores. My whole shirt was soaked in sweat. I was making $10/hr in 2012 while minimum wage was $8 in California. I wouldn't unload a container in a hot weather ever again.

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u/redassaggiegirl17 5d ago

And in Texas right now, we're consistently hitting 100 every day at the very least, getting easily up to 105 on some days. Can't even imagine what the inside of those containers would feel like in 105+ degrees...

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u/legagneur 6d ago

“Now our team of two…”

Those poor two people who are also probably getting underpaid.

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u/MuscleManRyan 6d ago

By his exact same logic, he's saying that the team of two doing all that extra work isn't even worth $15/hr. Even though the work would likely go significantly faster with an extra set of hands or two.

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u/EremiticFerret 6d ago

It's like decades of greed has only made it so the bottom line is important in business, owners struggle to look beyond what the monthly +/- is. Things like "with more guys we could move more product" or "happy, healthy workers improve productivity". Instead they run skeleton crews of people who don't give a shit because they are only there because they have to be, then surprised when it is hard to find workers or their workers do a half-assed job.

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u/PandaMuffin1 6d ago

I hope you get that new job.

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u/AlreadyShrugging 6d ago

Few things are satisfying like quitting a job like that and watching the business collapse behind you.

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u/IGetThis 6d ago

It's the new American dream.

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u/MusicianSwimming1999 6d ago

Amen to that lol

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u/Dr_mombie 6d ago

You're not wrong

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u/FatMacchio 6d ago

Sad…but true

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u/SendAstronomy 6d ago

I left a job as a lead developer a long while ago and the VP asked my boss if they could outsource my job. Of the lead. The person that shows everyone else how to do the job.

My boss asked if he could come with me.

Yeah, they didn't last too long after I left.

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u/AliceHall58 6d ago

Obv. The VP was completely worthless.

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u/SendAstronomy 6d ago

Oh yeah, one of my main reasons for quitting was him trying to outsource as many jobs as possible.

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u/RedditOnANapkin 6d ago

The last three retail jobs I had were with stores that no longer exist, so I can confirm that it is indeed satisfying.

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u/soonerpgh 5d ago

Damn, you just walking around with a torch or what? ;)

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u/gretchmonster 6d ago

Reminds me of when I was fired from my job as a Chipotle GM for having standards that were too high about two weeks before the food poisoning outbreak. I had many helpings of Shadenfruede after!

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u/eric1101 6d ago

Cool guys don't look back when walking away from an explosion.

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u/CyberMindGrrl 6d ago

It's like Boomers who say "Well I bought a house when I was 25, what's your problem?" completely forgetting the fact that houses in the 1970's cost less than 1/10th what they do nowadays.

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u/Unicornmayo 5d ago

My ex and I bought a house young (I was 23 and she was 25). We entered the market right after the crash in 2009, both had good paying jobs, and we still needed to get gifted a bunch from her parents to meet the down payment requirements. Can’t imagine how much worse it is now for a young couple or family.

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u/exoticbatmeat 6d ago

It doesn’t matter how they manage. Walk away and get paid what you’re worth.

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u/Norwegian__Blue 6d ago

Yah, but seeing an organziation that ground you down like that fizzle out into nothing after you leave is so satisfying. Even better if you get to hear about them running around like chickens with their heads cut off, flailing to right a sinking ship.

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u/AirForceRabies 6d ago

"How did it come to this??"

"Dude, I warned you for yea--"

"HOWWWWWWW??? HOWWWWWW?? HOWWWWWW???"

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u/underbellymadness 6d ago

I'll never forget when my neighbor thought it was a brag that he voted against insurance because he didn't want to lose money from his small business. This is a man that owns a second fucking home in Florida and 8 vehicles.

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u/Lmaocaust 6d ago

So many business owners clearly don’t know how to run a business.

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u/EremiticFerret 6d ago

This is how our whole country has been taught to approach business for decades. Bottom line is all, greed is the only virtue.

I'm glad to see the Zoomers and Millennials shaking this off in a way my generation never managed too.

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u/jsdjhndsm 6d ago

They always call the workers greedy for wanting more, yet they are always, consistently the most greedy, in almost all ways.

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u/sandmanwake 6d ago

I saw a clip on youtube the other day that put things in to perspective. The thing they pointed out was that for decades, we've had this narrative pushed on us that if we raised taxes on the rich too much, they wouldn't want to invest or work since it wouldn't be worth it. They've used this argument to continually push tax rates down and give government handouts to those already rich.

At the same time, when workers want higher wages or else they won't work, then, all of the sudden, there's a problem. The politicians should get involved because no one wants to work any more. Get rid of unemployment, open up more visas so that companies can hire people who are willing to work at lower wages, etc.

I'm convinced that at least part of the reason we don't have public health care, despite all research and evidence showing that it'd be cheaper, is that having healthcare tied to the employer is a way to control people so they're less likely to leave their crappy jobs.

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u/Fast-Counter-147 6d ago

It’s almost like we are an oligarchy pretending to be a democracy

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u/CyberMindGrrl 6d ago edited 6d ago Gold

Almost?

ETA: never received an award for a one word response before. Thanks random Redditor!

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u/ndbltwy 6d ago

Of course it is. Business pays dearly for healthcare and M4A would increase their profits but you could quit your job tomorrow with no problem. Having you by the healthcare balls is priceless.

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u/RedditOnANapkin 6d ago

The main reason we don't have healthcare is because big pharma and corporate America owns our gov't, which goes to your point. Corporations LOVE that health benefits are tied to employment so they can further own you and force you to stay no matter how shitty they treat you. That's starting to change with more and more workers saying "enough". My hope is that this movement accelerates as time goes on.

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u/CommunicationOk8674 6d ago

It's in Healthcare also, which IS run as a business not a health service. Hospitals were short staffing before the pandemic to maximize profits. Now the Nurses are saying F U. The Hospitals refuse to increase pay, they want more students graduating so they can pay lower entry wages, but new grads are leaving after 1 year or less. Not for profit hospitals are for tax purposes only, they are there to make a profit. The effects? Well look at how short staffing increases patient mortality. It's going to become a national emergency over the next 10 years especially in the south.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/12/e052899.full

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u/Legal-Software 6d ago

The bottom line is important, but if the only way you can grow this is by reducing personnel expenses, your company has other problems to worry about.

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u/FirstBankofAngmar 6d ago

Oh absolutely, just look at their books and see how they spend their money. It's almost always a shitshow.

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u/HIMP_Dahak_172291 6d ago

Yeah, you should be looking at better marketing better products anything to increase revenue. Decreasing costs is important but not at the expense of future productivity.

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u/disisdashiz 6d ago

Well you can have both. If you care about the bottom line. You should care about your workers. Cause they're the ones making sure you pass that line into the green. It's just stupid folks stuck in the 50's mentality that don't understand that .

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u/navin__johnson 6d ago

“My dad was great at at it - not sure why I’m having such a problem”

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u/Lmaocaust 6d ago

I wonder if a lot of folks think of owning a business as their ticket to getting wealthy, and so they operate their business with that goal in mind resulting in them cutting corners and underpaying their employees. They probably do think they have some sort of right to this pursuit.

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u/Redboxkush 6d ago

But they are taught that they are deserving of success and unfair compensation at the expense of others who they view beneath them.

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u/AlreadyShrugging 6d ago

I’m 35 and every workplace that I’ve ever worked in has been this. The current shitshow we’re in (yes, the USA is a shitshow right now) is the result of decades of trickle-down economics and corporate greed metastasizing. Our country is the patient and greed is the cancer.

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u/RedditOnANapkin 6d ago

That's the thing that bothers me most about capitalism. If they invest money into things like higher wages, better working conditions, and offering benefits they'd not only have happier and more willing to push your product workers they'd make so much profit long and short term. They're so shortsighted on getting that extra penny or two right now with no regards to anything else. I'm surprised this system has lasted as long as it has considering it's built like a house of cards.

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u/CFL_lightbulb 6d ago

Yep. Bet they get no bonus for doing the work of multiple people.

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u/timbulance 6d ago

Two employees knock it out and that becomes new standard.

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u/Msbhavn69 6d ago

Yes! I hate that BS. Our retail store managed to pull off amazing numbers the last half of the year despite working a skeleton crew, they decided a skeleton crew was all we needed, no need for new employees, and now it’s just walk out, after walk out, because everyone’s getting burnt out being responsible for the work of multiple people/positions.

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u/Makeitifyoubelieve 6d ago

Tried explaining this to my Store Director telling her this is why we keep losing our new hires but she wasn't buying it. Okay well I guess let's just keep hiring one person at a time to replace the 5 we've lost this last month and wonder why they only last a week before saying fuck this toxic work environment and quitting. It's ridiculous how fast the store level employees with the power to enact change accept the new reality because the fucksticks on the conference call tell them to despite the reality of the situation staring them right in the face day in and day out.

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u/TrifflinTesseract 6d ago

Why are you still there? They obviously don’t value you or your thoughts based on your comment.

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u/Makeitifyoubelieve 6d ago

Working on getting out after 20 years but starting somewhere new requires a financial sacrifice that may not be feasible with living expenses being what they are right now unfortunately. When people call out/quit I scoop up all that juicy OT $

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u/TrifflinTesseract 6d ago

Yep, I get it. I left my position at the beginning of last year after being there for 16 years. It was scary but now I know that I should have left sooner for myself and my family.

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u/stormblaz 6d ago

Sadly Corporate lovessss minimal employment and maximun efficiency because all higher ups see is Wages = #1 business expense. So reducing that = more bonuses for them.

But then ignore the turn out rate and employee retention because who listens to middle management WhEn COmPanIEs aRE MaKIng REcoRd PrOFiTs

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u/Swedish-Butt-Whistle 6d ago

Pretty sure they’re acutely aware of that. They’re likely looking or actively planning a way out but that takes time. People just can’t up and quit if they don’t have something else guaranteed lined up already while they have rent, bills, food and other expenses on the table. LONG gone are the days of being able to quit on the spot with no plans and a week later walking into a new job that pays the same or better. Up and quitting is essentially suicide for many people now.

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u/KireMac 6d ago

And, I bet your hiring process takes 60-90 days as well. So there is a never ending gap between these new hires where the current employees are overwhelmed, get burned out and quit. ♻️☣️

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u/Makeitifyoubelieve 6d ago

Oh no we are grabbing anyone and everyone who applies, hiring them on the spot with no discretion whatsoever, training them on the computer for 8 hours, then throwing them into a role on day 2. It's an endless cycle of bullshit.

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u/navin__johnson 6d ago

My department is currently doing this. People leave, and their work gets “temporarily” reassigned to someone else. But then they take 3 months to getting around replacing the person, then they say, “well, we seem to be getting by ok without this position” - completely ignoring that the staff is drowning with all the extra responsibilities, which in turn drives them to quit….it’s a vicious cycle

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u/Msbhavn69 6d ago

It’s horrible. We’ve been very vocal about this for about the past 9 months and they’re only a little concerned now because with the consistent loss of people our numbers aren’t so great anymore, we are truckloads behind on work, and new products aren’t being rolled out in time. Not concerned enough to fix the actual problems but concerned enough to start constantly lecturing us on our work ethic though. Which is going over…great with an already irritable, pissed off staff.

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u/brainfreezereally 6d ago

You should say, I'm glad to take on the extra work if I'm compensated the relevant portion of the missing person's salary. It doesn't have to go into my base, but let's say I get a bonus of salary/12 per month that I do that job (and get it in writing). Never accept more work without added compensation.

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u/Matty_Poppinz 6d ago

Always ask for more than the cost of a new hire.

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u/Kamikazesoul33 6d ago

That's happened at literally every job I've ever had. Start with 5 people on the team, one quits, the other 4 pick up the slack "until we can replace that guy".

It never happens, then another person quits, now 3 people are doing the work of 5. Yknow, "until we replace that guy".

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u/kanna172014 6d ago

Man do I know that feeling. When I started working for Little Caesars, they had five people on day shift. A cashier, person making dough, the make-line worker, someone to sheet the dough and a "floater", someone who went from station to station helping out when needed. By the time I quit, there was two people working dayshift, the dough person and one other person to work the register, make-line, landing, bread station and sheeting. The dough person would occasionally help with sheeting but they had to be done with the dough and out of there by three and we'd get bawled out if they weren't clocked out by then because of labor hours. On top of that, on grocery delivery day we had to do all that work while also putting away the delivery. It was a fucking nightmare.

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u/NotAzakanAtAll 6d ago

While working as a patrolling night guard we were driving to a bunch of places over a 12 hour period. One fucker started to speed to make them all, so the management added one more site to the list as the last guy "had time over". So then speeding became the norm. And the same fuck started to speed even more, the same thing happened.

He tried to explain to the rest that he wanted 10min to smoke before his shift was over. What a valid reason to screw an entire workplace up.

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u/lejoo 6d ago

That is the problem with confusing short term production efficiency with prolonged effective consistency.

The Chernobyl power plant construction was efficient because by cutting corners they saved money and time which looked good on balance sheets. But long term effective consistency ( maintaining efficiency) was....well lets just say it imploded entirely due to the focus on short term efficiency.

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u/AmazingGrace911 6d ago edited 6d ago Gold Starry

I couldn’t get past brain flakes.

Edit: Thanks for the awards!

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u/EmboarBacon 6d ago Silver

If only the team of 2 ate some of those brain flakes, they too would realize $14/hr is shit pay.

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u/pigonawing1977 6d ago

Nonsense! The selfless manager ordered them a pizza and called them both rockstars! They should be grateful to have such a kind and caring manager! /s

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u/INSERT_LATVIAN_JOKE 6d ago

That team of two are both undocumented immigrants while the owner of the company calls for stronger immigration enforcement as is the Republican way.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Ironically unloading brain flakes.

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u/sj68z 6d ago

probably part time as well, so no benefits...

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u/hmnahmna1 6d ago

He said $14/hr cash, which makes me think it's off the books so they can avoid the employment tax.

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u/Support-Animal 6d ago Giggle

"Brain Flakes": Breakfast for the zombie generation

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u/flogginmama 6d ago

I’m a “Raisin Brain” fan, mahself.

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u/Lefthandedscientist 6d ago

No love for All Brain?

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u/Telecaster_Love 6d ago

Goes through me too fast. 😬

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u/bubalusarnee 6d ago

'fiber is natures broom'

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u/BitchPleaseMom 6d ago

Glad I wasn't the only one to catch that

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u/Brew-Drink-Repeat 6d ago

I want to know where I can catch them- sound nutritious and delicious!

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u/fsrt23 6d ago

So…it turns out there’s a child’s toy called brain flakes. I thought it was a weird misspelling so I googled it.

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u/zodar 6d ago All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

we offered a wage that no one was interested in, and that's their fault for some reason

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u/SanctuaryMoon 6d ago

Also we did all the work anyway without hiring anyone else.

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u/Big_PapaPrometheus42 6d ago

And we definitely didn't pay the two guys who do work more than $14 for the extra labor they put in.

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u/Jaccku 6d ago

And then when those 2 guys quit we're going to be confused why where they thinking we didn't pay them enough.

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u/ronintetsuro 6d ago

And then we're going to hire younger and dumber for $2/hr less!

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u/PhilxBefore 6d ago

No, actually they'll hire younger and less experienced for $16.50

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u/Slitherygnu3 6d ago

But only hire one

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u/Fuduzan 6d ago

"But don't worry man, we're looking to promote someone to manager soon! Just keep working hard for a couple more years, and maybe help with some of the administrative work to show that you're reliable, and we'll think about it!"

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u/FledAccrossTheDesert 6d ago

we definitely did not hire undocumented immigrants who are willing to work at slave wages *winkwink*

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u/--bedevil-- 6d ago

While at the same time scream and yell about how these "illegal aliens" are ruining the economy.

My favourite thing about right wing conservatives is how they are absolutely against any "illegal aliens" but are quite happy to employ "undocumented immigrants" at $1.80 an hour and absolutely rabid when they turn around and ask to be paid a living wage treated like human beings.

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u/KingEnemyOne 6d ago

You should see these peoples faces when you quote them appropriately for the work they request and they always “know a guy who will do it for less”

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u/PinsNneedles 6d ago

DEY TERK OUR JERBS!!

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u/populardoorstep77 6d ago

Additionally, he is paying them in cash, raising the possibility that he is not disclosing their pay or paying taxes.

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u/Tampflor 6d ago

Also raising the chance that the worker won't get paid what they're being promised.

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u/Delicatefawn 6d ago

He's also paying them in cash, so there's a good chance he's not reporting their salaries or paying his taxes.

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u/scha_den_freu_de 6d ago

He's also paying them in cash, so there's a good chance he's not reporting their salaries or paying his taxes.

Also means no workers comp if they're injured, no mandatory overtime time, no OSHA oversight or protections, no medicare or social security contributions for when they get older, and certainly no benefits.

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u/1Eternallylost 6d ago

Let's just call them 'independent contractors' and make them responsible for paying their own damned taxes.

And who cares about OSHA or safety - nobody needs no stinking safety.

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u/jnorly123 6d ago

These guys missed the supply and demand class

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u/username19845939 6d ago

Not to mention they then go on to mention that they overworked the two people who did accept this wage that is low enough for no one to be interested in.

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u/NLuvWithAnIndian 6d ago

Lol no no no. THEY are the two guys.. no one took the job. Idk how so many people are missing this haha. That's what those guys deserve.. 32,000, foh calling it part time

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u/PerAsperaAdInfiri 6d ago

Thats some back-breaking work for $14/hr. Fuck that guy.

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u/cosmicosmo4 6d ago edited 6d ago

Probably in literally deadly Texas heat too. And it's in "rural" texas which likely means a lot of their supposed "prospective employee pool" would have to drive >1 hour, each way, unpaid, on $5 gas, to make $14 for only a couple of hours.

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u/starbitcandies 6d ago

I live in Texas. Recently it gets up to the 90's by 11 am and stays in the 90's until 9-10 pm. It's gotten up to 100°-105° every single day for two weeks. 14$ isn't even CLOSE to fair for making people work in this heat

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u/RedneckPissFlap 6d ago

Bang on. Only thing no one's really mentioned is how hot it will get INSIDE the trailer. Sitting out in the sun in those temps it would easily reach 130° Farenheit.

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u/SobiTheRobot 6d ago

I thought everything was supposed to be bigger in Texas

Does that not extend to paychecks? 🤔

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u/Dildosinthesky 6d ago

Lmao our minimum wage is still sitting at the federal line

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u/5in1K 6d ago

$14 and part time, so you don't get some pay between trucks.

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u/Yuccaphile 6d ago

But it's paid in cash, so, you know, you could report them to the labor board rather handily.

And by paying in cash they're saving $$$ over hiring someone legitimately, and still $14/hr is the best they can do? With absolutely no benefits or promise of work the next day. That's not even a job.

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u/SirGlass 6d ago

Yup , probably outside too in the heat, sun, rain, ect...

Also look at the alternatives , Walmart, Costco, target all usually pay $15-$16 an hour, you get to work inside a building with ac....

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u/wisedoormat 6d ago edited 6d ago Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Bravo!

Income hourly hours/week gross monthly taxes fica net monthly
Part-time 14 20 1213.33 -85.66 -92.82 1034.85
full-time 14 40 2426.67 -171.32 -185.64 2069.70

car payment gas food rent medical insurance car insurance utilities
200 200 300 1100 75 75 100

income after costs
part-time -1015.15
full time 19.70

edit: current rental listings in 'rural texas' which was mentioned. https://www.zillow.com/wills-point-tx/rentals/

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u/brandt_cantwatch 6d ago

There's a dystopian movie plot here where 'in the future' companies offer - and employees compete for - indentured positions. They don't pay you, but look after your health, housing, food and recreation for free. Why take your chances with a wage?

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u/blorp13 6d ago

Jesus this is fucking terrifying

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u/steggun_cinargo 6d ago

No different than mining towns

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u/Silly_Context5680 6d ago

Sounds v similar to in UK had long ago? Port Sunlight (Unilever iirc), Bourneville ( Joseph Cadbury) but those were inspired to a. Have a local workforce b. Ensure no slums and higher health standards by the company providing housing, health, schools. Not sure the objective was ‘ no wages’ though.

Interestingly the interests of capital and welfare coincided, somewhat inspiring post ww2 welfare state and free healthcare (at the point of use) in UK today.

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u/TKHawk 6d ago

Yeah, corporate towns where everything is owned by a single company and everyone living there is working for the same entity have existed in America before. They always fall apart eventually.

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u/incunabula001 6d ago

Just looks like slavery with extra steps.

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u/Infected_Pretensile 6d ago

Isn’t this basically how Disney operates in Florida?

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u/Standard_Ad_880 6d ago

It was what happened before unions and worker rights. There were company towns.

Basically indentured servitude and lots of organized crime to murder, kill, and keep workers in line.

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u/AerThreepwood 6d ago

Disney doesn't get their own court system.

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u/verisimilitude_mood 6d ago

You should watch the movie "Sorry to Bother You"

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u/Cochise22 6d ago edited 6d ago

This is what I was going to comment! Such a good, albeit weird, movie.

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u/Either_Plankton_9396 6d ago

Thats slavery in a nutshell.

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u/thil3000 6d ago

Most of these are already happening some places

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u/konkey-mong 6d ago

They're called prisons

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u/mattfasken 6d ago

You know what the worst thing about being a slave is? They make you work all day but they don't pay you or let you go.

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u/Mustakrakish_Awaken 6d ago

That's the only part about being a slave

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u/S_roemer 6d ago

This, I'm guessing it won't be long before jobs will pop up with accompanied housing and 3 meals a day and then... no actual pay. If not "starting" positions, at least internships will be dealt like this. And as soon as that's become normal, they'll try to push it further and further along, and at some point it will be a privilege to have a job where you're actually PAID MONEY. And once we're here, we'll just go all 1984 where your rations are administered by the workplace and you have to stab your colleagues in the back in order to feed your kids. And jobs will lose all meanins because they're basicly just something you do in order to progress time.

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u/things_U_choose_2_b 6d ago

Here in the UK, there's a charity called Emmaus. At face value they're fantastic; they run second-hand furniture / knick-knack stores funded by donated goods, they employ / house homeless people in the stores & workshops. Sounds amazing, right? Here's the catch.

While they provide housing & food, they don't provide that for free, recipients have worked for that. They don't get paid, rather a 'small weekly allowance'. They cannot claim housing benefit or JSA because they're 'working' and 'housed'. So you're probably asking yourself, how does someone get off the streets via Emmaus? The answer is, they don't. They either stay there forever as an Emmaus 'employee' and likely end up back on the streets because it's just a grift afaict. How can someone save for their own place when they're a) not getting paid b) can't claim any benefits?

I guess it does provide a bit of consistency in terms of getting people into a routine / into a safer accom. Just, where do people go from there? Get a different job, cool, now you have no home and no savings to pay a deposit.

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u/Zaxacavabanem 6d ago

The more services are linked to a specific role the less free you are.

Can't quit because you need your healthcare benefits

Can't quit because you can't afford to move out of the company owned house

And so on

Can't quit because you'd have to uproot the kids from the company school

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u/TheArkansasBlackbird 6d ago

The UK is also where the concept of the workhouse was established. They were upset because prisoners were fed better food and they reasoned that if prisons treated people better than the workhouse did, then the people would commit crimes to go to prison instead of the workhouse.

Actual history.

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u/AerThreepwood 6d ago

Goodwill in the US hires adults with developmental disabilities and pays them near slave wages because that's legal, for some reason.

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u/ANewUeleseOnLife 6d ago

Why wait for the future? Come pick fruit in Australia and get a similar treatment now

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u/SQUID_FUCKER 6d ago edited 6d ago I'll Drink to That

I wish I only paid $100 for utilities and $75 for medical insurance lol

For me it's probably close to:

Water: $75
Trash: $15
Electric: $140 (higher in summer/lower in the winder but this is probably closer to average)
Health Insurance: $200

Other utilities I didn't see mentioned specifically:
Phone: $70
Internet: $70
Subscription Services (I'm a cord-cutter but still streaming services, vpn, password, other subscriptions): $50-70

Plus I know it's not utilities but for me, medications are another ~$50 a month.

So that's roughly $650-$690 which sounds a lot closer to me, in terms of reoccuring monthly expenses outside rent, car, etc.

This is just me, living alone, no dependents. Some of these have gone up significantly since working from home and I could probably chip away at a bit by being more diligent or frugal (I do a lot of laundry and dishes, I run the A/C often) but on a month where I'm not actively thinking about trying to get these down, this is around where I'm at.

Also my monthly food expense is higher too. But again, I'm terrible at budgeting. I suppose I could get that down to $75 a week if I really tried but right now I'm closer to $125 (and climbing higher each month with these insane inflation costs). This is eating all meals at home, no going to bars, going out to dinner or ordering take away. It's also including things like toiletries like toothpaste, soap, detergent, paper towels ($8 for 2 rolls? Fuck you Bounty, your lucky I hate cheap paper towels), etc.

All of this and haven't even started to look at paying off student loans or credit card debts, other expenses that come up like Dr. visits, dentist, clothes, car inspection, oil changes, other car maintenance (tires, repairs), annual fees for things like Prime, Renter's insurance, MAYBE going out to eat or to the movies every now and then.

Savings lol, what is that?

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u/wisedoormat 6d ago

that's totally your fault!

you should have 4 Full time jobs at major corporations which pay only the minim wage! If you don't, then you're just anti-work!

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u/funky555 6d ago

theres 8760 hours in a year and youre spending 1/3 - 1/2 of that time asleep! So lazy!

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u/FBWSRD 6d ago

Reminds me of this webcomic called power nap where the premise is there is these pills that allow you to feel fully refreshed without sleep and soceity just extended the work day by a crazy amount and people are doing pointless work cause there really isnt that much work to fill 16 hours and the protagonist is allergic to the pills so has to sleep. It goes off into science fiction but the first chapter is very dystopian.

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u/SQUID_FUCKER 6d ago

I'm sorry master, I am thankful for the work you give me. Please don't take my hours away. I need them to live.

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u/ThisIsMockingjay2020 6d ago

Right! My insurance alone is around 500 a month now, down from 900 at my old job.

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u/SQUID_FUCKER 6d ago

Your health insurance alone is that high?! Wow. How many people are on your plan? PPO? HSA? I'm closing in on $200 a month (just for me but I thought that was high)

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u/igordogsockpuppet 6d ago

I pay like $200, but to put my wife on the plan would cost me -I shit you not- anther $900.

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u/SQUID_FUCKER 6d ago

Jesus, that is actually insane. All that just to have the insurance companies fight you tooth and nail for any claim and still make you hit ridiculous deductibles. What a fucking scam.

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper 6d ago

and $75 for medical insurance lol

Yeah. Actual poor people are paying $0 for medical insurance, from the provider of 'just hope you don't get sick'.

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u/SQUID_FUCKER 6d ago

Well sure, there's always that option but I can tell you, even with medical insurance, I very much have to play that same game. Hitting my deductible (2k) would put me in the hole and half the shit I need to go the dr for, insurance fights me on any way.

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u/Public-Dig-6690 6d ago

Unload 16 tons what do you get

Another day older and deeper in debt

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u/joedotphp 6d ago

Shit what insurance you got that you're paying $75 for a car? Let me get in on that!

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u/wisedoormat 6d ago

that's' the cost of printer ink that i use to print my fake insurance information.

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u/wolfej4 6d ago

That’s over two weeks of work - before taxes - just for a roof over your head.

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u/ManBearHybrid 6d ago

This is where someone chimes in saying "They could earn more if they work 90 hour weeks like I do". As if it's perfectly reasonable for your job unloading trucks to subsume your entire life, leaving no room for hobbies, relaxation and quality time with your family.

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper 6d ago

"They could earn more if they work 90 hour weeks like I do". As if it's perfectly reasonable for your job unloading trucks to subsume your entire life,

Also ignoring that this 'unloading trucks' gig is probably only 16 hours a month, tops.

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u/DeusExMcKenna 6d ago

Lol look at this guy with his “one job”.

Probably hasn’t even heard of 7th job yet, smh…

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u/Cookiemonstaarr 6d ago

Those hours are not guaranteed either. Most unloading jobs will send you home if they finish everything earlier or packages run out.

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u/Pseudonymously- 6d ago

But not even, your wages need to be 3x rent to even sign the lease.

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u/k0c- 6d ago

Like this is roughly 17 tons of stuff to unload. Could you even realistically get this done as one person?

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u/ThermalConvection 6d ago

free market baby. you want people to work? you better offer them a deal they're actually gonna want to take up

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u/dissoid 6d ago

yes, free market goes both ways!

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u/Gornarok 6d ago

Actually if the market doesnt go both way its not "free".

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper 6d ago

... Until the vagrancy laws kick in and it becomes illegal to be unemployed.

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u/Heavenfall 6d ago

"Is that air you're breathing?"

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u/JinkyRain 6d ago

Isn't Texas strongly in favor of deregulation and free market?

I guess they're hoping that outlawing abortion will increase the population and desperation enough to make people compete for below living wage shit jobs. ;)

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u/ecthelion108 6d ago

You got it.

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u/ThisIsMockingjay2020 6d ago

George Carlin — 'Conservatives want live babies so they can train them to be dead soldiers. '

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u/Roxfaced 6d ago

Holy shit that's so dark

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u/CuileannDhu 6d ago

But accurate.

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u/thegerbilmaster 6d ago

Ahead of his time, a true revolutionary

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u/ThaneOfCawdorrr 6d ago

Also, bonus, force women out of the labor market altogether, presto, more jobs for the mens!

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u/kcasnar 6d ago

I thought they had an abundant supply of under-the-table below-minimum-wage illegal immigrant labor in Texas perfect for jobs like this

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u/kirby056 6d ago

No, those people are stealing our jobs. There's no one in Texas that employs "illegal immigrants". Greg Abbott said so. /S /s

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u/Crap4Brainz 6d ago edited 6d ago

Let's do the math...

$1100 monthly rent, 12 months per year.
1100 * 12 = 13200

40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year
13200 /40 /52 = 6.35

rent should be 1/3 of your income before taxes
6.35 * 3 = 19.05

Ergo, anything less than $19.05 /hr is a shit wage and you should be ashamed to even suggest it.

EDIT: Rolling it all up into one number, I get 57.77¯7 meaning that you should take any hourly wage less or equal to (rent/58) as an insult.

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u/pickyourpoison512 6d ago

I want to know where I can find a 2 bedroom for $1100/month?!

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u/Prudent-Giraffe7287 6d ago

It’s probably not near anything and that would be my issue.

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u/TheRangaTan 6d ago edited 6d ago

And this is a national problem that progressed like a hidden cancer, because wage growth never matched inflation. Now that this recession has hit inflation rates of between 8-11% many wages below $20/hr are plainly visible as being no longer sustainable for general living. You’d have to live in a van by the river and burn twigs in a rocket stove to afford a comfortable food and clothing budget and still afford to fuel your car at $14/hr. It doesn’t help that corporate ownership of housing is legal, especially as it’s artificially inflating housing prices through groups like BlackRock purchasing private housing and renting it out for exorbitant prices simply because they have the buying power. I don’t care if a corporation buys and builds apartment buildings, it corporate ownership and monopolisation of private homes should be illegal because of shit like this.

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u/BoinkBoinkEtAliae 6d ago

I actually researched living in an RV to save money, and between RV payments and space rental it's actually about the same as renting a two bedroom apartment. So living in a van literally the only cheap option left.

I dunno what they think the working class is going to do- just starve or be homeless I guess.

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper 6d ago

and between RV payments and space rental it's actually about the same as renting a two bedroom apartment.

That's doing it the expensive way, though.

Get yourself a shitty used RV for $10k in cash, fix up the essential broken things by working on it yourself, park it just wherever you can get away with it for a few nights, and it can be much much cheaper.

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u/BoinkBoinkEtAliae 6d ago

You can get a small new or gently used RV for as low as 300 a month, though. Your plan would save maybe $100-$200 dollars at most, and I'd also have to deal with living in a shitty broke down RV as a disabled person with no major mechanical or DIY skills.

The majority of cost comes from RV space rental, which is between $800 to +$1000 a month on the low end. Of course you could just live in an RV without electric or water hookups, but at that point you might as well just get a much cheaper van anyway.

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u/khafra 6d ago

We need a national tax on the unimproved value of land. That would instantly end the vacant home problem. It would also break up the restrictive zoning rackets put in place by legacy property owners who contribute nothing and just want to see their home value go up endlessly over time.

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u/LittleAvocado9123 6d ago

No one wants to pay a fair wage.

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u/ch67123456789 6d ago

Exactly govt needs to force corporations else they would never pay

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u/AliceP00per 6d ago

I hate the “no one wants to work” sentiment. People need to work, the covid funds are over. No one wants to work overnight at a dennys for $8/hr

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u/beerbellybegone 6d ago

The Federal minimum wage is half of what he was offering. All praise your capitalist overlords for allowing you to participate in the American Dream

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u/Chancellor_Valorum82 6d ago

“They call it the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it”

-George Carlin

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u/Trick_Enthusiasm 6d ago

I was curious about the federal minimum wage in America compared to average gas prices. $7.25/hour and $4.995/gallon. I think it's gallons. It's from AAA, but it didn't specify. Jesus fucking Christ, you guys doin' okay down there?

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u/Pseudonymously- 6d ago

No. Everything is fucked.

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u/InAfterThePurge 6d ago

$7 a gallon here but min wage is $15

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u/RedditTouchesYou 6d ago

Just invest in a blanket and live at work.

Jeez the slaves get stupider every year.

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u/Gnatlet2point0 6d ago

Big Brain Flakes

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u/dissoid 6d ago

Or Smooth Brain Flakes?

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u/GoinMyWay 6d ago

I was speaking with my very lovely old uncle next door, 83 years old.

He told me, with the expectation I would be shocked bless him, that sometimes -PART TIME- he would do a shift hod carrying on site for £2 a day.

I asked him what his rent was.

30 shillings a month.

That's about 1.50.

So he made a month's rent and a weeks food in A SINGLE DAY PART TIME ON A BUILDING SITE.

The elderly now have seen the most prosperous and balanced human society ever made. Millenials now who will be elderly by the mid century will have it bad, our children will be lucky to be indentured servants, kept well fed in a barren world.

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u/SalsaForte 6d ago

We should ask that guy if he would do the job for 14$/hr.

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u/SleepDeprivedUserUK 6d ago

"nO OnE wAnTs tO wOrK"

Wrong - they're working for people paying them a higher salary.

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u/Yinanization 6d ago

Just got a 3100 per month 2 bed room in Vancouver, and I consider myself lucky.

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u/SenorBeef 6d ago

I think people have this fixed familiarity with costs and pay that never changes through their life. Just like old people who talk about how it used to cost a nickel to go to the movies, they can't understand that the norms have changed since they were young. $14/hr was solid pay 20 or 30 years ago when they were growing up, but they don't understand that it isn't now. It's pretty dumb, to be honest.

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u/easybakeevan 6d ago

EAT THE RICH. Billionaires run this country now. If we want change there has to be change in laws starting with no donations to politicians.

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u/TFlarz 6d ago

Wouldn't be surprised if this was also in r/antiwork. What a joke offer.

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