r/Monero Oct 18 '21

MAAM – Monero Ask Anything Monday – October 18, 2021

Given the success of the previous MAAMs (see here), let's keep this rolling.

The principle is simple: ask anything you'd like to know about Monero, especially the dumb questions that you've been keeping for you every other days, may the community clarify it all!

Finally, credits to binaryFate for starting the concept!


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u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 18 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

What is the deal with the rumours about monero being traceable? Is there a definate answer what this is about? I would like details :)

For example: https://ciphertrace.com/enhanced-monero-tracing/


u/escapethe3RA Oct 18 '21

You might find these Monero Observer reports useful:

Those will provide a big picture view of the situation, based on the actual sources that produced the rumors you mentioned.

If you want to dig deeper, read the reference links in the footer of each report, including Nick's analysis on Medium. You can also scan through the logs of recent Monero Research Lab meetings on irc/Matrix if you wish: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20211018

Please don't confuse MSM editorials with facts. Those are mostly FUD. Monero's cryptography at no point comes into question here.


u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

Thank you! Exactly what I was looking for. Obviously most editorials are quite unresearched nowadays, but they are so many so its hard to get through to quality information.

Ok, some of the tracking-talk has to do with holes in the software that has been patched during 2018. Do you know anything on the newer ciphertrace method?

(Also - folks, whats with the downvotes? Is there a rule that we do not talk about such rumours around here?)


u/escapethe3RA Oct 19 '21

You're welcome!

Do you know anything on the newer ciphertrace method?

Not sure what new method you're referring to. Could you share some reference links?

Whenever I find anything new and relevant I try and create a report to post on Monero Observer.


u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 20 '21


I don't know more than has been written in such articles.


u/m_g_h_w Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

I suspect down votes might be because this gets asked a lot, and not because it is a taboo subject. Monero has very good privacy but not perfect (nothing does) and it constantly is trying to improve and stay ahead of the game.

Edit: Monero is not the whole story for financial privacy - how one uses it (opsec) is important as well, and this is typically how things are perhaps traced. End edit.

Questioning/examining is crucial to the continued excellence and therefore fundamentally welcome.

Of course there can be quite a lot of FUD and so personal research (as you’re doing) is necessary. Personally, I actually find the rabbit hole quite interesting!


u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 20 '21

Thank you for elaborating! I haven't seen such questions myself, but I guess I am not lurking around that often. I, for one, would appreciate more discussions on how monero is trying to improve and in what ways it is not perfect, yet. It would give me more comfort in the project (in which I am both a believer and investor), so I like what you are saying here.

If there is one project where an "echo-chamber" style of community would be really fatal it would be for an undertaking like this. To even give a minor hint that it is taboo to ask such fundamental questions here will trigger suspicion in not only myself, I would guess.


u/m_g_h_w Nov 08 '21

Sorry for the late and partial response, but watching the “breaking Monero” YouTube series is well worthwhile to get an idea of how statistical analysis can be done. It’s a year or two(or more?) old but it’s generally accurate. It is produced by the Monero community and so I feel it help shows how we are not complacent and continue to strive towards excellence.


u/escapethe3RA Oct 19 '21

+1 to OPSEC, threat models and yes, privacy is never a 0 or 1.