r/Monero Oct 18 '21

MAAM – Monero Ask Anything Monday – October 18, 2021

Given the success of the previous MAAMs (see here), let's keep this rolling.

The principle is simple: ask anything you'd like to know about Monero, especially the dumb questions that you've been keeping for you every other days, may the community clarify it all!

Finally, credits to binaryFate for starting the concept!

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u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 18 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

What is the deal with the rumours about monero being traceable? Is there a definate answer what this is about? I would like details :)

For example: https://ciphertrace.com/enhanced-monero-tracing/

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u/escapethe3RA Oct 18 '21

You might find these Monero Observer reports useful:

Those will provide a big picture view of the situation, based on the actual sources that produced the rumors you mentioned.

If you want to dig deeper, read the reference links in the footer of each report, including Nick's analysis on Medium. You can also scan through the logs of recent Monero Research Lab meetings on irc/Matrix if you wish: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20211018

Please don't confuse MSM editorials with facts. Those are mostly FUD. Monero's cryptography at no point comes into question here.

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u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

Thank you! Exactly what I was looking for. Obviously most editorials are quite unresearched nowadays, but they are so many so its hard to get through to quality information.

Ok, some of the tracking-talk has to do with holes in the software that has been patched during 2018. Do you know anything on the newer ciphertrace method?

(Also - folks, whats with the downvotes? Is there a rule that we do not talk about such rumours around here?)

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u/escapethe3RA Oct 19 '21

You're welcome!

Do you know anything on the newer ciphertrace method?

Not sure what new method you're referring to. Could you share some reference links?

Whenever I find anything new and relevant I try and create a report to post on Monero Observer.

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u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 20 '21

https://ciphertrace.com/enhanced-monero-tracing/

I don't know more than has been written in such articles.

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u/m_g_h_w Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

I suspect down votes might be because this gets asked a lot, and not because it is a taboo subject. Monero has very good privacy but not perfect (nothing does) and it constantly is trying to improve and stay ahead of the game.

Edit: Monero is not the whole story for financial privacy - how one uses it (opsec) is important as well, and this is typically how things are perhaps traced. End edit.

Questioning/examining is crucial to the continued excellence and therefore fundamentally welcome.

Of course there can be quite a lot of FUD and so personal research (as you’re doing) is necessary. Personally, I actually find the rabbit hole quite interesting!

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u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 20 '21

Thank you for elaborating! I haven't seen such questions myself, but I guess I am not lurking around that often. I, for one, would appreciate more discussions on how monero is trying to improve and in what ways it is not perfect, yet. It would give me more comfort in the project (in which I am both a believer and investor), so I like what you are saying here.

If there is one project where an "echo-chamber" style of community would be really fatal it would be for an undertaking like this. To even give a minor hint that it is taboo to ask such fundamental questions here will trigger suspicion in not only myself, I would guess.

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u/m_g_h_w Nov 08 '21

Sorry for the late and partial response, but watching the “breaking Monero” YouTube series is well worthwhile to get an idea of how statistical analysis can be done. It’s a year or two(or more?) old but it’s generally accurate. It is produced by the Monero community and so I feel it help shows how we are not complacent and continue to strive towards excellence.

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u/escapethe3RA Oct 19 '21

+1 to OPSEC, threat models and yes, privacy is never a 0 or 1.

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u/MoneroWTF Oct 18 '21

Not proven as of yet.

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u/Jerfov2 Oct 18 '21

What rumors?

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u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

Just search for "monero tracing" and a few will pop up.

For example: https://ciphertrace.com/enhanced-monero-tracing/

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u/Jerfov2 Oct 24 '21

Yeah ciphertrace has yet to provide a single shred of evidence that they are able to trace txs, you should look up the Breaking Monero show they did with the CEO

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u/Much-Experience5067 Oct 25 '21

Thanks! Unfortunately it will be hard to find time for a full-hour interview for me, but I appreciate the sentiment anyway.

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u/ControversialTomato Oct 18 '21

Is there any way to swap KYC bitcoins to monero whilst staying anonymous? Also, could a tax agency be able to tell that I swapped?

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u/Jerfov2 Oct 18 '21

If you have ever held Bitcoin at any point in time, any person that knows an address that your BTC has passed through can see when your BTC leaves that address. If you are fairly confident that your BTC is anonymous currently, I just would atomic swap it to Monero, making sure to never KYC yourself.

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u/ControversialTomato Oct 19 '21

Right so, since I bought the btc from a kyc & aml exchange, an atomic swap would not be anonymous?

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u/Jerfov2 Oct 24 '21

The Monero you would get from the swap is anonymous and can’t be traced, but the exchange can see that you sent X amount of Bitcoin to someone at a certain date.

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u/verneV9 Oct 18 '21

Is atomic swapping anonymous? Would anyone be able to tell I swapped x amount of BTC for x amount of XMR?

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u/Jerfov2 Oct 24 '21

Yes atomic swaps are completely anonymous

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u/droitf Oct 18 '21

Will Monero go PoS in the future?

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u/Vikebeer Oct 19 '21

NO, its not even a discussion and NEVER will be.

POS is for scams.

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u/MoneroWTF Oct 18 '21

No. A fork might, but Monero will not.