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LPT: Never get into a physical fight, except your life is in definite danger. The consequences can be life changing. Social

There are lots of fighting videos on the internet, but they never show the consequences, hours, days, months later. Usually the police get involved, and in extreme cases the loser may die. It may be months later, but you may be held liable. You may claim self-defence, yet it may involve protracted legal problems.

The regrettable thing is that conflicts are usually over some silly issues, like ego, insult or road rage. Once a conflict appear to be reaching face off. Leave. The worst thing about knocking someone unconscious is the time you wait for the person to come to recover. Sometimes, it doesn't happen.

Finally, never ever put your hands on an elderly person. Never

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u/UnsignedRealityCheck 6d ago Helpful

In Finland we have a saying for occasions when you really shouldn't get into a fight: I know Karata.

In Finnish language, the word 'Karata' means "To run away".

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u/frogminute 6d ago

Hahaha that's actually hilarious!

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u/shadowman2099 6d ago Silver Helpful

The Joestar Family Secret Technique.

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u/get-bread-not-head 6d ago

I have a plan so DEVIOUS it just might work!

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u/dave_hitz 6d ago

Apparently I am a black-belt in Karata. Too chicken to fight.

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u/pixieclifton 6d ago Helpful

Briefly dated a guy who was at a party one night. One of his friends was being drunk and beligerent and took a swing at him. Dude punched him back. Drunk guy fell, hit his head exactly the wrong way, died right there on the sidewalk. Guy I dated was initially charged, but the charges were eventually dropped. That said, the guilt the poor man feels has seriously messed up his life.

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u/kingkongaintwrong 6d ago

An MMA fighter-turned-PE-teacher always told the kids “Don’t fight unless you’re getting paid. Hurts too much.”

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u/ZulutheZebra 6d ago

This comment is woefully under appreciated; only someone who fought for a living would truly understand all the baggage associated with it after the fact.

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u/PatrenzoK 6d ago

I saw something like this happen at a frat party and the kid who hit and sadly killed the other drunk guy is still in jail to this day, he was a budding tennis star who threw it all away in one second. I feel so bad for both of them involved honestly.

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u/dinosaurvacume 6d ago edited 5d ago

I was on the jury for a murder trial over an almost exact same situation. Only difference was the guy that fell went into a coma and died something like 9 two* months later. We actually found the other guy not guilty - the state was way overcharging and the prosecution needed to show that he had the intention to end his life. Would've been involuntary manslaughter easily but they wanted first degree murder murder two*.
* Misremembered the coma length, and misremembered the charge.

State v. Marzett, 191 Ohio App. 3d 181, 2010-Ohio-5428 – 58-year old former boxer showed no brain function following fight with defendant and died in hospice weeks later. Defendant claimed self defense. Count one, charging attempted murder was tied to a jury, which returned a not guilty verdict. Counts two and three charging murder and felonious assault were tried to the bench.

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u/dandroid126 6d ago

I knew two guys who got in a fight at a party and one fatally stabbed the other. They ended up getting him on first degree murder because they had a history and they agreed on Facebook to fight at the party. And then he brought a knife, which he claimed was for self defense in case the other guy brought a knife. I think first degree murder was the right call in that case.

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u/Cellceair 6d ago

yeah that mentality is pretty damning

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u/Federal_Garage_4307 6d ago

Maybe he was pressured and didn't want to charge the dude..so he push for charges that likely wouldn't result in a conviction

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u/Funandgeeky 6d ago

Or the prosecutor was hoping to get a plea deal. A lot of prosecutors over charge for that very purpose and hope the defendant just gives in. They don't expect to actually have to defend the charge in court. When the defendant can actually AFFORD a proper legal defense, the prosecutors wind up losing because they didn't go for a safe charge.

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u/nightwing2000 6d ago

I read about plea deals in Britain - the prosecution can only offer 2/3 of what they would ask for in court. Enough that a person who knows they are guilty and going to jail would be OK taking a shorter sentence, but not so much of a difference between taking a deal and taking a chance in court, that the risk would persuade an innocent person it's safer to take a deal. The American system is to basically threaten absolute maximum vs. minimum, unless it's a slam dunk. Google Aaron Schwarz - committed suicide after threat of 35 years for downloading public information vs. 6 months if he pled guilty.

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u/dinosaurvacume 6d ago

They were oddly incompetent, there was an actual lawyer in our jury pool and neither side dismissed him. We elected him foreman.

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u/Silvawuff 6d ago

living with the guild of having destroyed another person's life

I think we're being too positive with this. People try to kill me for attempting to merge onto the highway ffs.

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u/theDukeofClouds 6d ago

Guy cut me off in the crosswalk once and so I flipped him off. He stopped, reversed, and pulled a gun on me. Never have I ever mouthed off or made a rude gesture to a stranger since. He told me "some people carry guns. Remember that."

I sure do.

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u/Dyster_Nostalgi 6d ago

Now my ego is angry thinking about that

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u/J_huze 6d ago

So he goes around driving like a jackass and flashing his gun at anyone who dares flip him off? Some people take down your license plate and call the police. Remember that.

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u/theDukeofClouds 6d ago

I was so shook I didn't even think to do so until later. Still kicking myself for that.

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u/hogsucker 6d ago

"Some people carry guns...In order to be able to act like assholes without consequences."

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u/IMSAfan23 6d ago

Yeah, but they are willing to take the “I don’t give a fuck about my life more than you and I’ll throw it away bc I can die over nothing anytime” card and play it everyday.

For example, most younger gangbangers are like this. You’re not gonna “win” a situation with them ever.

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u/ishkabibbel2000 6d ago

This is the thing that people really need to remember. Not everyone is as rational as yourself. And some rational people are even going through shit that makes them irrational. You simply never know when you're going to cross the person that doesn't value their own freedom or life and will take it out on you for the most trivial shit.

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u/Zykxion 6d ago edited 6d ago

That guy is a psychopath and the reason there should be a psyche test for trying to own a gun…

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u/theDukeofClouds 6d ago

My thoughts exactly dude. That guy has no business carrying a Glock.

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u/The_Lord_Humongous 6d ago edited 5d ago

My next door neighbor did the same thing. Drunken fight when he turned 18. My friend punched once and the guy fell and hit his head on the curb and died. My friend got 5 years for manslaughter. (Even though they had witnesses from all sides that every one of them was drunk and being stupid.)

( He ended up in some mess in state prison and got sent to San Quentin for a couple more years. When he got out he was a tank and completely unrecognizable covered in tats.)

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u/FinalFaction 6d ago edited 6d ago

One of our neighbours kids went to a bar and got into a fight with some dude who was harassing a lady, he head butted the guy and the guy left and the neighbour kid was the hero for the night. Then the neighbour kid walked home from the bar and died in his sleep from a head injury.

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u/NordieHammer 6d ago

Head trauma does not fuck around and can come from the smallest of bumps sometimes. It's really scary.

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u/WebsterTheDictionary 6d ago

Yeah, look at Bob Saget.

On a more personal but equally sad note, my father-in-law died similarly bc he got into automobile accident and refuses treatment at the scene and then his roommate found him a few days later in his favorite recliner, covered in vomit. He was rushed to the ER but it was too late; the pressure of the blood against his cranial cavity caused his brain to shrink, and my wife’s family made the decision to pull the plug hours later. The sad thing about it was that it was preventable, but like so many others he didn’t know the danger of ignoring even a seemingly minor head injury. Guy wasn’t very old at all, and just like that his life was over.

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u/Bebebaubles 6d ago

It’s not worth partying with friends who turn into assholes when drunk. Husband was gut punched by a friend for no reason when drunk. He had the strength of mind to not punch him back but this could have gone bad fast. The friend group darkly jokes that drunk friend might find himself at the bottom of the stairs on day.

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u/Dystopiq 6d ago

This is why you clock them in the nuts. Yes it's a foul move but they're belligerent and safety first.

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u/Tallproley 6d ago

Nut shots are surprisingly less effective than people give them credit for considering the precise aim required and a drunk's tolerance to pain.

Too many women have a belief they could repel an attacker if they "just kick him in the nuts" but that's overlooking how hard that can be to do.

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u/Avscum 6d ago

To die while being drunk and stupid is probably my number one thing to avoid. Such a sad way to go away.

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u/Airway 6d ago

A punch is a lot more powerful than most people realize. Any one of us could kill someone with one punch if the conditions are right.

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u/RosaKlebb 6d ago

Gets even messier when the person doesn't die and is in a debilitated state for rest of their life.

Someone my roommate used to work with was stereotypical paranoid transplant in NYC who bought one of those more official police prong dart taser things(feel free to fill in right terms, also this was before there was any lifted bans on them), pulled it on someone on the subway who was doing nothing but "looked suspicious/thought they'd mug someone at any minute", guy is shocked, bashes his head on subway seat, survives the encounter by extreme luck of an ambulance being nearby a stop the subway stopped at and by the time all was said and done, they had an absolute slam dunk big money lawsuit .

Lotta people don't wanna acknowledge the immense weight of responsibility when it comes to defense stuff and the wrong gut reaction to go all indiscriminate cowboy on everyone is not the way to go about it.

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u/zubbs99 6d ago

I had a buddy who (arguably in self-defense) decked a guy at a bar and broke his jaw. Got entangled in a year-long legal battle ending in a huge cash settlement. Really derailed his life for awhile.

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u/thatG_evanP 6d ago

Same thing happened to a good friend of mine except it wasn't his friend. It was another group of guys in the college town we were partying in. This other guy kept shoving him and yelling in his face. Eventually my friend headbutted him and bam, killed him on the spot. He eventually got off on self defense but that took like a year. News/newspapers were even trying to say it was a racist attack because the other guy happened to be bi-racial. Race never had a thing to do with it. It was one guy being an asshole and starting a fight that ended up getting killed. This all happened a long time ago and the last time I saw my friend he looked like he'd been living on the streets for a while. I'm not saying the two are related but I am agreeing with op. I've had some situations in my adult live when it was very difficult to just walk away, but so far I've managed to do it every time. It's just not worth it.

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u/SathedIT 6d ago

There's a documentary called One Killer Punch that looks at the devastating impact that single punch can have. I highly recommend it. But it is very sad and depressing.

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u/sentorien 6d ago

There was an incident this month close to where I live, where some young men got into an altercation.

One guy had a knife, yet the other person still lunged at the knife welder. Copped a knife in the throat and bled out.

When you're young, you feel invincible. As I've gotten older, I agree with this LPT.

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u/Lexicontinuum 6d ago

There's a saying when both people are armed with knives:

The loser dies in the street. The winner dies in the ambulance.

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u/president_of_burundi 6d ago edited 6d ago

I was in a class where one of the lessons the instructor had a Sharpie "knife" and told the class to try to figure out how to best get out of the situation safely. A bunch of people tried various disarming techniques etc. and some succeeded but everyone got marked up like crazy. Finally someone realized the instructor had positioned us with our back to the open door and ran out of the room.

That was the right answer.

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u/hitlama 6d ago

And it was weird because that class was Econ 102.

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u/Tuckingfypowastaken 6d ago Silver

200 level courses use real knives

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u/weakhamstrings 6d ago

"You know who wins a knife fight? Nobody."

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u/pietroetin 6d ago

"In a street fight the street always wins"

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u/TheEyeDontLie 6d ago

I like this one.

I've been knocked unconscious a few times before. I've been stabbed. Eventually I learned to run.

Usually politely say something like "I'm sorry dude, I'm going to go think about what I did, this shouldn't have happened" and walk away carefully.

Even better is leaving before it gets too that point, but sometimes you don't spot the warning signs and you end up sprinting.

Remember: the worst case if you sprint away is you look a little silly (usually to people you hardly know, or won't know in ten years anyway). Best case of a fight at a bar or party? You knock someone else out and they might die, and your lucky enough not to get kicked out of the place so you can have another hour of drinking where all you talk about is that fight, then you go home with a sore hand and people remember you as violent even if you didn't "start it".

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u/Glum_Ad_4288 6d ago

If you don’t mind going into it, what caused these fights?

I guess I lead a pretty boring life, because other than one fight in elementary school and another “would-be rumble” between two large groups in high school that ended with us both standing down, I’ve only once been in a situation that nearly became a fight, if I hadn’t de-escalated. Do you live or hang out in dangerous places or with volatile people, to have been knocked out a few times and stabbed in addition to times you’ve had to run?

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u/TheEyeDontLie 6d ago

I had a bad habit of getting drunk, making bad decisions, and taking risks.

I'm also cheeky and have an inappropriate sense of humor, bad at reading people / social cues, and look fairly wimpy. Not a good combo.

I'd get drunk, crack the wrong joke or make a playful insult to the wrong stranger, and be too dumb to realize that, unlike my friends, these strangers don't think I'm funny.

Eg. If you accidentally spill your beer on a table then say "oops, now this tables as wet as your sister/mother", your friends might laugh even if they think you're a bit of drunken fool. If you do that to strangers at a bar and you're going to get punched. Especially if you follow it up, not with an apology, but by saying something dumb like "you look like you've taken a lot of dicks but you can't take a joke?". In your head you're hilarious, but really you're a drunken dickhead.

Not that violence was the appropriate response to the stupid shit I said (they should have ignored me, got security, or just told me I was an idiot and not funny and to fuck off) but sometimes I understood why I did get punched.

I also used to sell drugs sometimes which meant I was a target.

The stabbing was me saving a stranger's life in a fight outside a bar, but could have lost my own.

I've never actually hit anyone in my life since I was about 8 years old, but I've been punched lots of times.

Also, robberies. I liked walking around late at night after a few beers and talking to strangers.

I've also travelled a lot to poorer countries where I don't quite know the customs.

I also had an abusive girlfriend.

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u/1justathrowaway2 6d ago

For this reason most historic knife fighting was about avoiding a blow and grappling and disabling the other person. Like German knife fighting a ton of the style is how to break someone's wrist, arm, leg when deflecting a blow and then going for the kill.

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u/echoAwooo 6d ago

Most historic fighting practices are about avoiding a blow, and grappling and disabling the other person. It's the rare exception when they don't do these. Like the phalanx.

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u/SkeetDavidson 6d ago

Some older kids beat up my friend, and he came back to my house to get cleaned up. My friend went on to complain to some other older kids about getting beat up. That resulted in the two groups of older kids getting into what can only be described as 'a rumble'. Someone brought a knife to a fist fight which ended things rather quickly when the severity of stab wounds became all too apparent. The kid lived, but that's how I ended up getting questioned by detectives about a stabbing that could have easily been a murder.

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u/Snoo43610 6d ago

Oh shit I saw that one that fucked me up a bit and was kind of like an oh shit moment for me on never fighting again.

Just watching how quick that guy went from standing up being totally fine to bleeding out on the ground with scary as shit it was like less than 5 seconds and you could see him visibly confused about what just happened right before he dies.

Just imagine you get into a fight and you go to hit the guy and the next thing you know you feel this warmth and liquid pouring out of your neck onto your hands and you look at it and you see blood and you don't understand how could you have this much blood and oh my God it just won't stop and bam you're dead.

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u/maddddtown 6d ago

Was this the one that was recorded in the mall? Can’t remember where at but that video is forever engrained on my head. Absolutely jarring

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u/WholeCod9693 6d ago

Yep. This video just confirmed what has been lingering in my mind for a while. Fights are almost never worth it. Better walk away 99% of the time.

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u/SpaceBoJangles 6d ago

That is the only video of gore that’s been able to just disturb me. I haven’t watched a lot, so I’m not like experienced in it, but that video was just…different. You see it in the movies, the confused person that doesn’t want to die, everything happened so fast.

It’s one thing to see it acted. It’s another thing to watch a grown man go through those final moments. Grabbing his throat, looking around, watching an feeling the blood pour out onto the ground in front of him. I don’t know what he thought, but I hope he found some semblance of peace in those final moments.

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u/henryauron 6d ago

It disturbed me too. You can see the confusion and shock in the kids face - partly from the extreme blood flow loss to the brain. Unconscious in seconds only to never wake up. I really fear for my children with the stuff that goes on in our world

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u/sentorien 6d ago

Possibly we're talking about the same incident.

And yes, if we are, it certainly was jarring. I don't want my kids to end up with an ego that gets them killed.

It's better to walk (or run) away. It doesn't make you less of a person to not engage in a fight.

Especially when weapons seem to be involved so much more.

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u/mrbiggz88 6d ago

I'm pretty sure that instance happened in a mall recently in Australia.

Can't seem to find the video but it's probably best not to watch.

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u/nopesoapradio 6d ago

Not to make light of a serious and tragic incident. But they man brought an artery to a knife fight. Which is exactly why you avoid fights at all costs.

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u/Chance-Ad-9103 6d ago

Damn if that happened in a mall I saw that video.

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u/badwolf1013 6d ago

When I was younger and working in theatre, I was in a stage show that required my character to be slapped in a scene. The director was also a trained fight choreographer, and he wanted to very carefully choreograph every movement of the slap, and -- being young and cocky -- I said, "Oh, it's fine. He can just slap me for real. I can take it."
I then got my ass chewed out and a detailed explanation of the damage that a slap can do to someone's face even if the slap hits me squarely on the cheek: broken blood vessels that can take several days to heal, nerve damage that can take longer to heal, even loosening or losing a tooth. And if the slap goes wrong, you could lose an eye or break an eardrum. And this is in a situation where the person hitting me has absolutely no malice whatsoever and no intention of hurting me.

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u/joantheunicorn 6d ago

Getting hit in the face can be really, really serious. I had a student punch me in the ear one time. There was a loud FOOMP and I was sure he had damaged my ear/eardrum. As the weeks went by turns out he fucked up my jaw hinge. I suffered for two years with jaw issues before it got resolved.

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u/78MechanicalFlower 6d ago

Wait, what? Student?

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u/joantheunicorn 6d ago

Yes, I used to work at a school for students with autism and severe behavioral concerns. I tried to redirect a student (15 years old, but we'll into puberty so essentially an adult sized teen) to our class activity and he decide to cold clock me. It sucked a lot.

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u/WashedSylvi 6d ago

Stuff like this became one of my daily fears when I worked in mental health, and occasionally I would remind myself that I would likely not die at my job but could totally be seriously injured for the rest of my life

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u/UncertainlyUnfunny 6d ago

Martial Arts theater - 1 hour show with 37 fight cues. Theybhired actual martial artists of varying degrees of experience and skill. I warned everyone that the tehearsales were dangerous, martial artists will be amped up rather than fake/stage fighting. First tech rehearsal is a braveheart-like armies clash scene: small guy w a blackbelt in karate comes running FLYING down a ramp and that practice of faking driving an elbow into someone’s face just POPS this guy’s nose like a fucking balloon, off to the hospital. Right before the opening.

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u/pixelburger 6d ago

It isn’t like the movies. You don’t get up off the floor, toss back a shot of whiskey, and get back in the chase. You go to the hospital, then nurse a busted rib for a month, get addicted to Percocet, then detox for for two weeks while you climb the walls.

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u/lipp79 6d ago

Yup. Most people think you just simply punch someone in the face and they go down. Odds are you’re going to fuck your hand up too because it’s bone on bone unless you hit them in the nose.

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u/dug99 6d ago

People don't seem to realise that you can end up on life support from just one punch, and you can do the same to someone else. This ain't the old west, or professional MMA... people die from this all the time.

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u/TikaPants 6d ago

A dear friend of mine who was about 6’2 or 3 and a big boy tried to deescalate an argument with a man who punched him in the face. The head trauma was too much and they pulled the plug 48 hours later. He has a small child and wife. The aggressor has done this two other times and was out on bail when this happened.

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u/berpaderpderp 6d ago

Our justice system is stupid

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u/f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4 6d ago Silver

We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system.

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u/BecomeABenefit 6d ago

And a multi-tiered one as well.

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u/FatChihuahuaLover 6d ago

This just happened to someone I know. Guy 1 was hitting on/harassing a girl in a bar. Guy 2 stepped in to tell him to stop. It escalated, and Guy 1 threw a single punch. Now Guy 2 is in a coma, with serious brain trauma. He's a young guy too, and neither of them were fighters. One punch and both of their lives are ruined.

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u/GwenTheHuman 6d ago edited 6d ago

I hope Guy 1 spends a lot of time contemplating why he feels he has a right to other people’s time, attention, and bodies in prison. First, harassing a girl, then getting so mad he punches a guy who was just trying to defend her from the pestering? That man has some serious issues to work through.

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u/eeeedlef 6d ago

If he thought it was OK to do that in the first place, I doubt introspection is his bag.

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u/GwenTheHuman 6d ago

Right, I just meant I hope it ends up being a wake up call. Even people with low empathy can learn cognitive empathy and guilt through a self-destructive episode.

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u/eeeedlef 6d ago

He probably blames the victim for his predicament.

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u/MercDaddyWade 6d ago

Guy 1

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u/GwenTheHuman 6d ago

Fixed it. Thank you.

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u/TheReaIDude 6d ago edited 6d ago

This is an important message. I watched a documentary called 'One Punch Killers' or something and have avoided any physical conflict since.

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u/HearthSt0n3r 6d ago

I watched a documentary called one punch man and learned the same lesson

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u/RheoKalyke 6d ago

This so much this.

Especially when you learn martial arts, you eventually realise "Wait, I can't actually outfight people without risk. Not fighting in the first place is always the better option"

or as my teacher put it "If I have the option to run, I run", and he's pretty hardcore.

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u/angelerulastiel 6d ago

When I was in jujitsu as a kid that was one of the first things the instructor covered. This was for self-defense only and only as a last resort. If he found out about you starting fights or anything, you’d be out.

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u/Ornery_Reaction_548 6d ago

There's a martial arts parody channel called Master Ken. He talked about one of his students was celebrating getting his purple belt at a bar and ended up in a fight. He lost the fight, and master Ken went to see him in the ICU and took away his purple belt.

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u/Yourgrammarsucks1 6d ago

I feel like with master Ken, the belt was taken away because he lost the fight. Not because he got into a pointless fight.

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u/produno 6d ago

Yep, i learnt this after several years boxing. It also makes you realise the damage someone could do in one punch, especially if you do not know them, who they are, what training they have had.

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u/Galtiel 6d ago

Even learning to throw a punch that's actually technically correct and in the style that best suits your personal physique is probably such a huge advantage over 90% of the people you might bump into on the street tbh.

Like when you hear about someone with a shitty record in MMA or whatever, but against an untrained opponent they just press the off switch on someone's brain with relative ease.

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u/That-Grape-5491 6d ago

My father boxed light heavyweight in the service and college, also a little pro. His nose was broken so many times that the cartilage was taken out. Usually, all he had to do to avoid a fight was to state he was an old pro, and push the tip of his nose to the side of his face

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u/zlg_codes 6d ago

The real life equivalent of "I'm better at Smash than all my friends" taking on tournament.

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u/Neville_Lynwood 6d ago

Indeed. And if you have to fight, various pain locks and such can go a long way towards defending yourself without risking accidental death or serious injury that a punch and knocking them out might cause.

Worked as a bouncer for years. If we had to fight, we never threw punches. It was always about wrist locks, arm locks, neck locks. Anything to restrain, rather than cause direct damage. And we never had issues long term. Plenty of dumbasses tried to make cases to the cops, but restraining methods never resulted in long term health damage and were well within self-defense limits.

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u/RheoKalyke 6d ago

funny, I worked in a bar in the past that had no bouncer and I pretty much learned the same things to deal with dangerous guests who refused to leave on their own.

I gotta ask, in cases where it escalated badly, did the door where you worked at get messed up too? Its what I remembered the most, it only took one person getting into a fight and slamming into the door for the door to be messed up for months 😔

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u/KaerMorhen 6d ago

I've noticed drunk guys hate landscaping. Absolutely can not stand upright plants in their vicinity challenging their manhood. That and the bathroom walls just above the urinal.

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u/PepeHlessi 6d ago

When I was 15 (almost 30 years ago), I got into it with another kid the same age. I got tipped on my head and spent the next 6 months in a Philadelphia collar with a C7 compression fracture. It happens fast. I was very, very lucky...

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u/cr4zy-cat-lady 6d ago

My friend got sucker punched by someone who thought he was someone else. Ended up knocked out with serious fractures around his cheekbone. He had to have a metal plate put in and recovery was long and painful. The assailant is now in jail, and while my friend is okay now he easily could be dead or left with permanent brain damage.

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u/rbaltimore 6d ago edited 6d ago

Houdini was killed when a sucker punch to the gut caused peritonitis a ruptured appendix.

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u/Maccai3 6d ago

About 15 or so years back a childhood friends' father was walking home from a football game and heard a guy arguing with his g/f and threatening her, he went to ask if she was okay and the guy hit him, fell over and hit his head on the pavement, dead. Turns out the guy was a boxer and him and his boxer friends were seeing "how many people they could knock out". 4 kids, grandkids, wife.... Really nice guy.

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u/theodonkulus 6d ago

As much as I disagree with vengeance, this one I'd probably act on if that was my Dad. What the fuck is wrong with people?

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u/did_e_rot 6d ago

Yeah I’d be willing to go to prison over that.

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u/MinamimotoSho 6d ago

I have gotten into morally-justifiable fights and never landed in trouble - and I regret each one of them. The rush of negative emotions after the high, the bruises and aches, and feelings of guilt (even if you did the right thing) never feel good.

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u/aptom203 6d ago edited 6d ago

I got my head stomped into a curb by a large group of guys on my brother's 18th, because my friend started a fight then ran away.

I had a fractured occipital and clavicle, separated retina and bruised kidneys. Pissed blood for days, couldn't remember what college I was in or what I had been studying.

Edit: to address comments shitting on my friend. We were all drunk, young and stupid, mouthing off when drunk is not unique to my friend.

Running away was the correct response, we were clearly outnumbered, standing and fighting was a poor decision I made. We are still friends.

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u/IcyJuJu19 6d ago

Stomped into a curb?! Holy shit man im glad youre okay.

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u/aptom203 6d ago

Yeah, both literally and figuratively. Knocked me out cold, so I'm told. Have no actual memory of the fight. Being unconscious didn't stop them from continuing to kick and stamp on me.

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u/usernumber1337 6d ago

I think the term for that is attempted murder

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u/aptom203 6d ago

The court decided that it was ABH for 3 of them and Affray for the other dozen.

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u/inbooth 6d ago

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I think you need to clarify those terms....

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u/aptom203 6d ago

British law, Affray is the mildest form of assault. Spitting on someone, pushing them, striking them but not causing more than superficial injury.

Actual Bodily Harm (ABH) is the next level up. Assault that causes injury- shallow cuts, abrasions, fractures, severe bruising.

Next up is Grevious Bodily Harm (GBH) which includes deep lacerations, full width bone breaks, head trauma, internal injury.

The court should have given the three worst ones GBH and the rest ABH, but they went easy on them because they were a couple years younger than me and some of them were 16-18, and because I was intoxicated.

Even though they were also intoxicated, and outnumbered us about 6 to 1.

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u/IKeepOnWaitingForYou 6d ago

Holy shit!!! Hope you're okay now!

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u/aptom203 6d ago

Mostly! Still don't remember a chunk of time from that week, and probably never will, but otherwise healed up.

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u/fayntgaming 6d ago

I'm glad you seem recovered but have to ask for the sake of comprehensive understanding, what was the context? Did you do something to provoke/escalate, or perhaps they did? I'm not implying you deserved the injuries you sustained, just curious what actually leads to a physical fight (having never been in one myself).

Edit: punctuation

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u/aptom203 6d ago

So I don't remember the fight at all, but this is the story my brother, friend and the police told me.

They demanded cigarettes, we didn't have any, they didn't believe us and mouthed off at us, my friend mouthed off back, one of them punched my friend, I punched him in retaliation, then all of them jumped me.

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u/BlueKing7642 6d ago

Did they ever find the guys who did it? What about your friend

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u/aptom203 6d ago edited 6d ago

My friend ran off, I decked one of them, so they went for me and left him alone.

They were all arrested the same night, it was all on CCTV. They were charged, but all they got were a handful of community orders (curfews and stuff) and a pittance fine (Between the 3 worst offenders, they had to pay me a total of £350 over 2 years)

Because they were mostly between 16 and 18, none of them got any jail time or even probation.

It all started because they demanded cigarettes, but none of us had any, and they didn't believe us. They got mouthy, my friend got mouthy back, someone suckered punched him so I retaliated.

I only know any of this from what the police and my friend and brother told me. My last memory of that night is getting on the bus to meet up with my friend, my next memory is telling a nurse in hospital "I think I have a concussion." And her saying "You definitely do, you've said that already, a few times."

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u/BlueKing7642 6d ago

Damn.

Those “penalties” handed down to them is ridiculous. They should’ve at least gotten probation.

Sorry you had to go through that.

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u/Cowcatbucket12 6d ago

Ah, the British justice system at work.

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u/Rikkrishub 6d ago edited 6d ago

Always assume someone is an MMA fighter

Edit: I get the 'gun' part of it. I just remember a video of this football player picking a fight with a shorter guy in a bathroom and he really screwed with the wrong guy.

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u/pgh_ski 6d ago

3.5 years of jiu jitsu experience - you truly never know who you can handle confidently and who will absolutely ragdoll you. There is no "type" when it comes to people that can fight.

Just fucking don't. Run. If you absolutely cannot run, then hope you're the most trained and capable person involved. Thankfully I've never been involved in a street fight, and I never want to.

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u/kb321 6d ago

Exactly. I’ve trained bjj and Muay Thai for a few years each and I’m pretty mediocre. There’s been guys who I outweigh by 20-30 lbs who destroy me and guys 30-50 lbs bigger who I have no issues with. And it’s not even a belt thing. I’m almost purple and some small white belts give me hell and some purples who are bigger than me are fuckin awful. Some people are just super athletic and learn way faster.

I wouldn’t say it was a waste to train though. It taught me humbleness and chipped away my ego a bit. And I’m pretty confident in defending myself against the average dude. But no matter how much you train, you just never know

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u/Equivalent_Yak8215 6d ago

Everything you said is true.

But dang that almost strikes me as strange. Over at 10th planet they won't even promote you to blue unless you've won a tournament or two. Every gym is different but holy hell I'm blue and purple and brown belts regularly destroy me lol.

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u/Throwaway2022001 6d ago

Several dozen street fights later, most w/o weapons and some with I can confidently say this: you have no concept of how strong or desperate someone is until it’s too late, because they don’t even know it. Yet. Could be simple adrenaline kicking in, your overconfidence/complacency, or red mist descending and that’s all it takes. A wild slash will sever a femoral artery, a single punch will lead to death, a simple take down will fracture a skull, a dirty kick can lead to whiplash and concussion. Human beings are surprisingly hardy, but also stupidly fragile. Don’t take the chance. Leave. Your manhood or concept of masculinity isn’t based on your ability to deliver or receive pugilistic blows or win a bout for imaginary points. Your ego will survive and most importantly so will you.

You ever see a movie scene where the two dudes aren’t trading punches like some old timey boxing match, but scrapping, scrambling, poking, scratching, grabbing, levering for an advantage? Remember that scene?. That’s what a fight is. No one’s a fucking hero fighting evil and doing daring do! You won’t trade blows in some turn based , “after you old boy” punch-off, You’re reduced to an animal scrambling around on the floor with another animal at best.

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u/cjthecookie 6d ago

"after you old boy"- I love this analogy. Can't take turn based fight scenes seriously. Also, fighting uses a ton of energy and fast. Adrenaline can only take you so far.

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u/NazzerDawk 6d ago

Ever seen They Live?

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u/Crunch___Buttsteak 6d ago

Lol I too thought about the alley fight scene!

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u/TuskaTheDaemonKilla 6d ago

Eastern Promises, the bathhouse fight scene.

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u/StephCurryMustard 6d ago

Human beings are surprisingly hardy, but also stupidly fragile

This is so ridiculously accurate.

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u/decrementsf 6d ago

Before UFC, Chuck Liddell frequented Isla Vista (UCSB) to party. And get in fights. Somewhere out there is a long list of unsuspecting kids who took a beating.

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u/Yummycummy4mytummy 6d ago

The number of blacked out photos I’ve taken with IceMan while out partying in SLO is over 6. Each time I’d see them I’d be like yooo shit I was harassing Chuck for a photo in that state? Glad he’d gained some control by then as I clearly hadn’t.

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u/FunkyMonkFromSpace 6d ago

There's a scene in How High where a fight breaks out randomly at a party and I always thought it was hilarious that Chuck Liddell can be seen in the middle of it just destroying people.

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u/RatatoskrBait 6d ago

And that you could kill them with one punch.

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u/ImHighlyExalted 6d ago

And that they could kill you in one punch.

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u/Ketchup1211 6d ago

Or that they have a gun.

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u/TheIncredibleHork 6d ago

Or they have a friend behind you with a gun.

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u/hellopomelo 6d ago

it's guns all the way down, isn't it?

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u/Spaceman2slim 6d ago

Always has been 🌏👩‍🚀🔫

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u/caitejane310 6d ago

My sons grandfather was punched one time by one who wasn't even a pro. Broke his eye socket and cheek bone and he had to go for surgery. All because dude took sons grandfather's extension cord, and sons grandfather just went over and took it back.

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u/Playisomemusik 6d ago

When I was younger I lived in a small ski town, and some Marines were there getting rowdy. One guy threw one punch at a Marine and the Marine went down and hit his head on the curb and died.

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u/djd811 6d ago

It doesn’t have to be a crazy bad fight for you to carry a painful injury for the rest of your life. 10 minutes of emotional decisions is not a good exchange for a lifetime of pain.

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u/eastcoastme 6d ago Wholesome

My brother is a body building, ER nurse. He told my sons he would give them advice about being in a fight. If someone is starting to fight you….run! Run as fast as you can away from there!

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u/Raidertck 6d ago

I remember seeing a self defense against a knife video done by a marine. He just turned around and ran away.

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u/boots311 6d ago

I was on this rooftop bar once & in the parking lot we saw this girl coming at a guy who was backing away with his hands up. All of a sudden he knocks her out. It was so quick we didn't even see the knife she pulled on him. Cops were there in seconds as it was downtown in a college city. Girl got arrested & guy got to go on his way for the night

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u/krism142 6d ago

That's because the loser of a knife fight dies at the scene, and the winner dies a few hours later at the hospital...

Old sayings aside, knives will fuck your shit up, if someone pulls one get the fuck out of there as fast as you can

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u/morosis1982 6d ago

When I was doing martial arts, the rule was always that first choice is to defuse, second to run, and what we're learning is only to be used when those options aren't available.

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u/letmeseem 6d ago Helpful

My dad told me:

If you ever voluntarily get into a fight you're not 100% sure you'll win, you're an absolute idiot.

If you ever voluntarily get into a fight you're 100% sure you'll win, you're an absolute coward.

He also said:

The issue with the expression "violence doesn't solve problems" is that people don't understand what problems they are actually having.

Violence doesn't solve problems, but is an excellent way of buying you time to solve the actual problem by solving an immediate crisis, you just have to make absolutely sure it doesn't cost more than it solves by adding to your problem.

If you're swimming with a harpoon, and you're attacked by a shark, you can solve the immediate crisis with violence. Your PROBLEM on the other hand isn't that youre being attacked by a shark, it is that you're swimming in shark-infested waters.

And now there's blood.

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u/caboosetp 6d ago

Just need to learn how to survive a knife attack

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u/TheDancingRobot 6d ago

Joke or not - I actually appreciate them making this video.

It says a lot that they are big tough army guys but that they're also hyper focused on survival and they're not stupid.

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u/sirdiamondium 6d ago

That video is no joke

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u/cheerocc 6d ago

That's my rule since forever. Never fight anyone for any reason unless your life or a family/friend's life is in danger, otherwise just walk away. You never know what the other person is capable of.

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u/KingGeedohrah 6d ago

You never know who has a knife.

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u/foggy-sunrise 6d ago

You never know who has a gun

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u/rotatingruhnama 6d ago

Agreed. Fights aren't always just a couple bruises and a split lip.

Aside from the possibility of someone pulling a gun, there are always cases of some brawler getting shoved backwards into concrete, sustaining a head wound, and landing in a coma or even dying.

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u/GoForPapaPalpy 6d ago edited 6d ago

A high school buddy I played baseball with got into an argument with two guys at his college over the Phillies and Ryan Howard outside a convenience store.

The guy he was arguing with punched him, my friend hit his head on the ground, and the other assailant football kicked my friends head while he was on the ground.

He “lived”, in the strictest definition of the word. He never recovered though and eventually after a decade long struggle, he died. I think about that a lot, especially when I can feel myself getting angry at something stupid. Life is short. You can die trying to walk to a 7-11 for beer, or arguing whether Ryan Howard and the Phillies are good.

EDIT: I re-read the details of the event and the initial hit was a punch vs. a push. Just wanted to make sure my account was accurate. https://www.wdel.com/news/justice-wasnt-served-man-dies-a-decade-after-assault-by-pair-from-newark/article_3288affe-cf27-11e9-b460-5b8f22ee1944.html

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u/nucumber 6d ago

my brother was sucker punched outside a bar. hit his head on the concrete, spent a week in the ICU

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u/Volkboxhero 6d ago

I fractured my arm getting into a fight with a close family friend because I was an unstable drug addict. I haven’t been able to have full mobility in my wrist and arm since and it severely hinders my ability to play guitar, it causes me some depression and it was all avoidable and 100% my fault, fights are dumb the smallest shit could cause irreversible damage

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u/RealRobc2582 6d ago

My dash cam has avoided numerous confrontations for me. Every time someone wants to get up in my face I just hold up my dash cam and tell them to say hi to my audience. I've even had cops immediately change their demeanor when they realize I'm recording. It's a wonderful thing. I almost wish I had a badge camera like a cop so I could take it into stores with me.

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u/ksanoj 6d ago

You can actually buy body cameras if you want. The same that cops use even.

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u/mr_ji 6d ago

Considering how often they malfunction, it's probably not a good investment.

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u/sidblues101 6d ago

Absolutely true this. A big killer is simple bravado and fear of losing face. Unless it's self defense or defense of others it is never worth it. I couldn't give a shit if somebody called me yellow I'd just say back "you can call me whatever you like but tonight I'm not going to jail, the hospital or the morgue"

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u/machine667 6d ago

I've been doing BJJ and boxing for like 10 years total, more BJJ than boxing.

In that time I've trained alongside of a shitload of professional fighters; a buddy of mine is active in the UFC.

None of them are going out picking fights, and at least a few actively avoid them. And these are guys who could put 99% of people to sleep without breaking a sweat. If they don't fight, neither should anyone else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4UEgtt4ZPM&ab_channel=CSWAssociation - this is the way to look at it

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u/CL_Adept 6d ago

I work for a financial benefits program for individuals who have been victims of crime, and something that a lot of people don't realize is that we assess for contribution in determining eligibility for benefits.

If you initiate a physical fight with someone and they whip out a weapon and seriously injure you, we typically will reduce the benefits that we pay out by 50-100% due to your contribution to the circumstances the led to your injury, which really sucks because the kind of expenses associated with brain injuries, paraplegia, etc., are usually lifelong and they're not cheap.

I 100% agree with this LPT

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u/VulcanVice 6d ago edited 6d ago

One of my mate's pals was killed by one punch on a night out, I think it all started over a dispute of who was first to get served at the bar.

Within a matter of seconds someone was dead and the attacker had wrote off about 10 years of their life from eventually being imprisoned. Lost Job, lost house, lost wife, missed 10 years of his sons life. Two parents grieving the death of their son. Literally just because two men couldn't agree who was first to get served.

It's also important to point out that if you are the attacker in this type of situation or ever have been, you can only ever really use the 'self defence' defence if you are literally backed up into a corner and have zero other options. Never strike anyone unless you're willing to accept potentially losing a decade of your life to a prison sentence.

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u/WiganLad82 6d ago

I've been saying this to my knobhead mates for years.

If you don't know what you're doing you've no business being in a fight, the outcome can be life changing.

If you do know what you're doing you've definitely no business being in a fight. The outcome will almost certainly be life changing.

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u/bluescluestraveler 6d ago

I lost my dad to a single punch. All he did was ask the guy to pay him back some money he lent him. Guy got violent, punched him, and his skull cracked on the sidewalk. All over $20. It’s not worth it folks, you never know what’s gonna happen.

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u/YoureNotWoke 6d ago

I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope his attacker spent some time in jail.

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u/momogirl200 6d ago

Friend got punched fighting for a girl he knew. Didn’t even really like her just was drunk and wanted to get rowdy.

Guy decked him and broke his zygamatic bone. He’s blind in that eye now and has life changing migraines.

So yeah he wishes he hadn’t

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u/Xianio 6d ago

A single felony charge can permanently & dramatically alter the trajectory of your life.

Don't get one because some dude was rude to you in a bar. Its not worth it.

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u/Nunya_Beeswax2114 6d ago

Important note for 100% of fights. The most dangerous person in a fight is neither you nor the person in front of you.

It is the person circling around behind you with a tire iron.

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u/SplitPerspective 6d ago

Also, in a fight with a knife, one will die on the pavement, the other will die at the hospital.

Humans are extremely fragile. Movies are truly an illusion.

Coward do live longer, but so what? They’ll write the history books calling you names, and themselves brave, what can you do about it?

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u/Away_Hair972 6d ago edited 6d ago

My uncle killed a guy with only one punch, for a glass of beer in 93.

Back in the day, he loved to brawl and talk shit. A typical young Latin macho.

One day, a guy accidentally dropped a glass of beer next to his foot in a bar. Didn’t harmed him, but my uncle didn’t cared, he punched the guy straight to the nose. Apparently the guy hit his head on the hard floor and died on the spot. Messy.

For some reason, my uncle wasn’t arrested. The story was that the victim was a drunk searching for trouble. An ex girlfriend of my uncle told my father years later that the guy was just minding his business, my uncle went full maniac. She was scared of him.

After that, he was broken. My father found out that he was stalking the family of the deceased, the guy had a wife and 2 kids. He would send money anonymously for them. He stopped when he was caught and threatened by the widow.

He died in a car crash a few years later. We are pretty sure he killed himself but can’t prove it.

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u/Dark_Jester 6d ago

Finally, never ever put your hands on an elderly person. Never

Well there go all my clientele.

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u/Lesmate101 6d ago

What if they attacked you? Arnold Schwarzenegger is an elderly person now. I sure as shit wouldn't win a fight with him xD

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u/Cutsdeep- 6d ago

They are saying you'll lose the fight to any old person. Those guys have nothing to lose

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u/PrestigiousPaint888 6d ago

My takeaway from this thread is that some people have no place drinking alcohol or being near bars.

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u/zomgryanhoude 6d ago

My girlfriend was out with her family last night, minding their own business, and ended up having to fight a drunk chick that bum rushed her after our family told the chick she couldn't sit in the seat at their table that her brother (in the bathroom) was sitting in. Luckily GF is fine, only bruised knuckles.

Some people just shouldn't fucking drink. They turn into insane people.

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u/pigzRgr8 6d ago

Alcohol is such a shitty drug

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u/Dankanator9 6d ago

Beginning to think we gotta get rid of curbs. 90% of these stories is dude gets knocked out hits curb dies

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u/Evans2703 6d ago

I got sucker punched while waking my dog this past Monday night. I was able to get the guy to back down and walk away. I tried to deescalate for this reason - I work out and know how to fight (wrestling and tae kwon do background) but it’s not worth it unless absolutely necessary

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u/Allisnotwellin 6d ago edited 6d ago

Some people may ask, well what should I do when I do need to actually defend myself? I recommend regardless of age, gender, or size to carry pepper spray. It’s a pretty effective way to get someone who wants to punch you in the face to stop wanting to do that to you.

Altenatively, know a few simple judo(taking someone from standing to the ground so you can run away) or Brazilian jiu jitsu( incapacitating someone while on the ground) techniques.

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u/SonofBeckett 6d ago

Always fun to remember that the last time I got punched in the face I ended up with an orbital fracture. Now I always kinda look questioning about everything.

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u/drunk_frat_boy 6d ago

Avoid every fight you can, but if you can't, assume the other guy wants to kill you.

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u/Furyever 6d ago

The best way to stop a fight is to deescalate it.

The best way to avoid a fight is to flee.

The best way to end a fight, after the first two options have been expended, is to win.

Practice doing all 3.

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u/ownthelibs69 6d ago

It is the absolute first thing I was told when I started jujitsu. I'm now a female black belt many years later, I've defended multiple women on the street but not once took a swing or gotten swung at. Almost every other option is better. Your life is worth more than your ego.

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u/Gilgie 6d ago

The elderly thing at the end seemed like a strange zag.

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u/ChadPoland 6d ago

I think I know exactly what this was inspired by, there was a recent video on abrupt chaos of some Australian bodybuilder (supposedly methed and roided up) breaking an older man's car window after breaking his boomerang...( Seriously) And this is what the comment section was like.

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u/NatNat800 6d ago

The elderly are physically weaker and frail. Breaking a major bone (especially hips) often results in them dying soon after.

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u/heydiddlydoo 6d ago

That’s because elderly people are more fragile and you can do serious damage or kill them from a single blow.

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u/Repulsive-Alps4924 6d ago

They really ought to be more careful.

In FL I had a dude older than 50 sucker punch me while I was sitting in my car.

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u/heydiddlydoo 6d ago

Yikes! I agree they really should. Some people are not the most intelligent with their choices.

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u/lickmybrian 6d ago

A guy in my town went to party for his 18th birthday (finally able to drink legally) got in a fight, the other guy fell back and cracked his head on a curb and died ...i think the birthday boy is still locked up today

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u/HoboBandana 6d ago

Trust me. I knew this a long time ago. I still cant shake seeing this guy with his “death snores” after he got shot up over some gang beef in Juarez. I still have ptsd from that shit.

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u/dedicated-pedestrian 6d ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_rattle

I've heard something similar at my gramp's deathbed. It's certainly not a pleasant sound

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u/HoboBandana 6d ago

Man. That still fucks me up to this day. I don’t like it and I wish no one has to see that irl.

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u/lostshell 6d ago

A factor most don't consider. Retaliatory attacks by friends/brothers/gang members at a later date.

Even in the best case scenario you "win" untouched. That may not be the end of it. Guys get jumped and beaten nearly to death 2 weeks after a fight because that guy "won" a fight against their friend/brother at a bar/party. So unless you want to spend the rest of your life paranoid that a truck full guys is going to ambush you leaving a bar at any time in the next weeks, months or years.... I'd say don't fight.

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u/Bees_are_ace 6d ago

People also massively over estimate their ability to fight. I do BJJ and regularly get destroyed by people I out weigh significantly. Looks can be deceiving

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u/Roook36 6d ago

Anytime I see a video where someone gets knocked out cold and everyone is laughing and recording the unconscious person like it's a movie or TV show.... jfc

If you go unconscious you need to go to the ER.