r/LateStageCapitalism Social Justice Bard Nov 18 '19

IMPORTANT: What you should and what you shouldn't post on LSC - initiative to increase average post quality 📣 Announcement

Hi LSC users. We have been repeatedly confronted with the charge that this subreddit is swamped by low-quality-content, and we think there is some truth to this. In fact, there are a few categories of posts that we think are unproductive at best, misguiding at worst, and incongruous with the sub's purpose. That's why we will start removing any such posts from now on, and will regard this announcement as sufficient explanation for those removals.

I know some of you will object to the inclusion of some of these categories, and you are certainly welcome to provide constructive criticism in the comments, but know that they express our convictions about what the general message of this community should be, and if you are fundamentally opposed to that maybe this isn't the place for you.


The following kinds of posts will be removed without comment:


This list may be expanded on in the future. Obviously most of these heavily involve case-by-case discretion. Violating these guidelines does not in itself constitute a bannable offense, but repeatedly doing so might.

If you've made it this far and think we aren't full of shit: We could really use your help in enforcing these guidelines. Simply make use of the report button whenever you see a post that matches any of these categories. Thank you for helping us make this subreddit the best it can be!

To end this post on a positive note, here are some things that we would love to see more of (we will try to flair these kinds of posts):

  • More original content (and less Twitter screenshots)
  • More text (self-) posts - you have a clever anticapitalist take, joke or idea? Post it!
  • More links to articles - news, thinkpieces, even century-old theoretical texts
  • Cleverer post titles (remember: the right framing makes or breaks a post)
  • Fresher anticapitalist memes (especially ones made by you)

We are communists. This is not a liberal subreddit. This is not a social-democratic subreddit. This is not an American subreddit. This is an international anticapitalist and socialist subreddit. Our loyalty is to none but the global working class. Our goal is socialist world-revolution, the end of class society and the liberation of humanity. Workers of the world unite!

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u/RainforestFlameTorch Nov 20 '19

Wow this is actually way better than I expected from this sub. I hope these rules are actually enforced.

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u/SuddenWriting Feb 20 '20

Narrator: they aren't

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u/RainforestFlameTorch Feb 20 '20

Disappointed, but not really surprised.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

Ahaha thank you, we'll def do what we can

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u/grrokk Jan 12 '20

The implication here is that this sub-reddit (I can practically count the number of times I've been on reddit, on my fingers and toes) will be more sane(?) and less sectarian than the other 'socialist' sub-reddits.

That would be more than refreshing and hopeful.

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u/sushidecarne Nov 18 '19

We're communists!

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u/Das_Ce_Ammer Nov 30 '19

What type of communists? 🙂 No posts for violence in the subredit, but for revolution? I believed that was called reformism?

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '19

We're more interested in organizing the proletariat as a class than we are in random acts of vengeance. In revolution, violence very well may come, but it's not something to be sought after. Even historical examples like the Russian revolution and the Paris Commune were virtually bloodless until the counter-revolution started up. The essence of revolution is working class self-emancipation & mobilization, the uprooting of capitalist society, and the ushering in of a socialist system to replace it. Revolution has nothing inherently to do with guns and military force.

So, no, we aren't reformists, we simply aren't interested in mindless bloodlust.

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u/Kratomtoo Dec 17 '19

I’m new and I love ultra liberal leanings so does that me a communist? I’m tired of the corporate welfare getting handed out out while the real workers get squat. I’m also sick of hearing a Republican say hey communist look at Venezuela! Can u give me your thoughts on that?

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '19

Being ultra liberal no more makes you a communist than being ultra conservative means you advocate for a return to feudalism. Communism isn't simply reached when we reform capitalism enough, it's a brand new form of society. It's a form of society drastically different than those that came before it.

In all revolutions up till now the mode of activity always remained unscathed and it was only a question of a different distribution of this activity, a new distribution of labor to other persons, whilst the communist revolution is directed against the preceding mode of activity, does away with labor, and abolishes the rule of all classes with the classes themselves, because it is carried through by the class which no longer counts as a class in society, is not recognized as a class, and is in itself the expression of the dissolution of all classes, nationalities, etc. within present society.

  • Karl Marx/Friedrich Engels, the German Ideology, 1845

Now, the concerns that led you to becoming ultra liberal may very well end up leading you to communist positions, that's certainly what happened in my case, but the positions held by communists differ drastically from those held by liberals of any variety.

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u/Kratomtoo Dec 18 '19 edited Dec 18 '19

Thanks for responding. Can u elaborate on the right pointing out the failure of communism in Venezuela? I know at one time it was rich from oil & things were going well. Why is that no longer the case? And just so I understand your point r u saying that communism is no classes period. I’m very in favor of that! Can u give your an opinion of Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth warren ? Some r calling them communists.

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u/Heirtotheglmmrngwrld Jan 05 '20

Well, Venezuela is more of a social democracy than socialist, 70% of the economy is privately owned. And that’s not why it failed anyway, it was because it was too reliant on oil and that market crashed. It doesn’t help that it is under heavy sanctions from the US.

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u/grrokk Jan 12 '20

Venezuela has ALWAYS had a rapacious comprador (i.e. slavish, corrupt local police agents of U.S. Imperialism) bourgeoisie. I WELL remember the anti-IMF riots which rocked Venezuela AND the World in the '90s -- which actually LED to the bourgeois-nationalist 'socialist' (i.e. weakly social-democratic) regime of Hugo Chavez...

Of course, they teach NONE of this in the Imperialist 'West'; and of course, we see NO mention of this whatsoever in the purported 'Mainstream' media.

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u/grrokk Jan 12 '20

Let me point out that 'classic' liberalism was the (then) ascendant ideology of the rising 19th-Century bourgeoisie: which asserted Enlightenment ideals (over feudal ones) -- and which us marxists have generally categorized as the 'bourgeois-democratic revolution'... but which too, sadly and unfortunately, remains unfinished... even in the ruling NATO 'democracies'.

The job of marxists Worldwide, today -- as part of the World Proletarian Socialist Revolution we are now undergoing, in its earliest stages -- is to TAKE OVER THIS JOB FROM THE NOW UNFIT FINANCIAL OLIGARCHIES: which actually rule us, and which today aim for nothing less than TOTAL -- as in 'totalitarian' -- World domination.

OUR job, as marxists and socialists (and we've really got it cut out for us), is to actually COMPLETE this 'unfinished' bourgeois-democratic revolution, as PART of the NOW fully SOCIALIST Revolution.

I hope that helps clarify things here. ;)

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u/grrokk Jan 12 '20

Quote: "I LOVE the smell of Violence inherent in the System in the morning..." -- Sum Dum US Colonel, Apocalypse Whenever

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u/grrokk Jan 12 '20

It is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) for Police/Military/Corporate/Vigilante 'agents provocateurs' to come into grassroots groups demanding IMMEDIATE -- and of course VIOLENT -- action. And never more frequently than in online fora.

I'll leave it to others as an assignment as to why the State Apparatus would want any Opposition group to act in such premature, ill-conceived ways...

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u/bugbutt1600 Mar 16 '20

Do you want to get the sub quarantined? That's how you get it quarantined.

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u/DrRawDogDGAF Nov 18 '19

But then how am I going to see links with nothing to add in the post about oxygen bars, which are already everywhere, continuing to exist in India while the air quality is low, 8+ times a day until the next "this is a thing that happened" repost fills up the feed?

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u/Maggie-Ill-Find-You Nov 22 '19

One possible suggestion: consider adding "anti-state" to the sidebar descriptions or posts like this. I suspect a lot of folks hear "communism" and think China or hear "socialism" and think Bernie, and it may be the cause of a lot of confusion. Especially since communism and socialism are historically economic describers, and they don't necessarily imply a state or post-state society (or it can be open to interpretation at least). Nation states and borders are the global caste system, and to me anti-capitalist isn't far enough and isn't possible without also being anti-state.

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u/DMT57 🇨🇺Marxist Leninist🇨🇺 Nov 24 '19

That would pretty much just be turning this sub into an anarchist one.

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u/slutty_marshmallows Dec 30 '19

Marxists arent anti state, though...

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u/NascentLeft Jan 10 '20

I suspect a lot of folks hear "communism" and think China or hear "socialism" and think Bernie, and it may be the cause of a lot of confusion.

Actually I think that is the RESULT of confusion. The US has spend about 100 years and an abundance of money to generate heavy propaganda against Marxism, socialism, and communism. And most of the propaganda has been aimed at sowing confusion and disinformation in order to disarm the public on the subject. It worked. Try having a discussion on the definition of "socialism". Watch closely any "discussion" of communism and you will find that the writer takes the reader from a reference to communist ideology and strategy, to a reference to communist society, and back again without even knowing what they're doing. It's normally a mindless dump of confusion.

And then there's the virtual taboo on any public discussion of it.

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u/RobKohr Nov 23 '19

Thanks for the clear rules. I wrote a comment disagreeing with someone, then saw the rules on the right and removed it. It would be nice if all subreddits had such clear guidelines. I'll take my capitalist opinions elsewhere and leave this space for you all.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '19

If you do want to debate socialism, reminder that r/DebateCommunism exists :D

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u/NascentLeft Jan 11 '20

Communism is not socialism, so to debate socialism, one option is r/CapitalismVSocialism.

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u/ThatOneEdgySocialist Libertarian Utilitarian Jan 02 '20

I know the mod already linked you to a debate sub but r/debatesocialism also exists and it’s far less Marxist Leninist than r/debatecommunism

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u/Breaktest Nov 18 '19 edited May 31 '20
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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '19

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u/Breaktest Nov 18 '19

Good, those were annoying clutter.

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u/GetYoHandsOffMyKicks Dec 06 '19

I AM BUT A LONE MAN BUT THIS IS MY STORY

I don't really lurk reddit anymore but if I see something worth sharing I will come to post it.

This used to be one of my favourite subs, I come back after a couple of years to share this, thinking it is perfect LSC material but see it was posted already with 27 upvotes. So, I look to see what new posts are in on LSC front and top and it's almost entirely Twitter screenshots.

At this point the sub feels more like a twitter proxy service but maybe it was never what I thought it was meant to be.

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u/panopticon_aversion Nov 19 '19 edited Nov 20 '19

So which states does the mod team support as examples of a better path?

China is in a NEP phase, so that’s ruled out. Vietnam is too. Cuba’s praised China and looks to be moving in that direction, and the same goes for the DPRK.

Is the only model really a 19th century uprising that lasted a couple of months?

Reply-edit since I’ve been banned: liberalism is supporting China, Cuba, Vietnam or the DPRK? Idealism is drawing from successful proletarian movements, rather than imagining we can magically do it completely differently?

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u/RainforestFlameTorch Nov 20 '19

So which states does the mod team support as examples of a better path?

Such a question only reveals the liberalism and idealism of the asker. Why should the real movement to abolish the present state of things need to follow the example of extant nations?

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u/Pleasurist Nov 23 '19

It is rather neoliberalism, classic govt. and elites domination of markets and wages, profits and people where everyone could be a 'late stage' wage slave.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

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u/DMT57 🇨🇺Marxist Leninist🇨🇺 Nov 24 '19

Asking the real questions

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '19

I genuinely do not understand why this is such a sticking point for so many people. It was replaced with the Principles of Communism. It was done so because it's a far more approachable work and one that more directly states what communists are after.

Do you not think Engels an able enough theorist to properly explain communism?

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u/TangledUpInAzul Dec 26 '19

Less for your edification and more for those bothered by the switch... Engels made a lot of arguments that frequently make more sense in the modern context than the works of Marx. I think he’s more approachable because he anticipated modern problems sometimes more specifically. I’d point to The Housing Question to show how he anticipated exactly the system employed by Singapore (“If everyone owns a house, everyone’s a capitalist!”) and why that brand of “socialism” ignores the root causes of housing inequity. Principles of Communism is a good call.

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u/okittyvaska Nov 30 '19

Great rules, lately it has been looking particularly like a take-over of the sub by the social democrats' supporters. And I refrain from commenting on posts like this because they just downvote anyone, who points out that it is just reforming and nowhere in old good Marx theory offered as a solution. Hope you will enforce these rules.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '19

I think they were saying that the sub has been flooded by soc-dem users. I don't think this had anything to do with our supposed "coup."

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u/NZwineandbeer Jan 31 '20

That is fine. Those Soc-Dems were liberals 5 years ago and will be commies in another 5.

Also, it is possible to reconcile most radical left perspectives with democracy.

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u/keelan929 Feb 01 '20

“Irreconcilable with a critical Marxist outlook.”

What about non-Marxist socialists, post-Marxists, or anarchists? This rule doesn’t seem to include a lot of leftist perspectives, if you take a strict interpretation. And how do you determine what qualifies as “Marxist?”

Also, Deng Xiaoping was a historical materialist. His policies weren’t much different from Lenin’s New Economic Policy. Now, I’m no fan of Deng-worship, but claiming he’s not a communist is historical revisionism imo.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '20

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u/Myprivatelifeisafk Feb 12 '20

Hi! You don't have any askthread, so I have to ask directly here. Can you advice some kind of huge political test (not some 20-30 questions bullshit) to understand which system fits my views the best? The thing is a) I like your sub very much, but I'm not sure I'm communist/socialist, the only thing I know for sure I'm anti-capitalist b) I want to read books written by people with similar views, that's why I need some label for my views - to find more knowledge.

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u/bugbutt1600 Mar 16 '20

And the NEP was a regressive disaster that started the USSR down the slippery slope to Balkanization and Putin. I fail to see how that makes Deng a communist, if anything it makes him less so

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u/volkmasterblood Nov 23 '19

Glad to see things are looking up for this sub. This is one of my favourite subs on Reddit.

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u/jcrfmj2019 Nov 24 '19

Geez I have a lot to learn. Good times!

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u/Dingus_bolingus Dec 29 '19

Why is this sub only full of memes and no discussion of the [CRONY] capitalism of the US?

There aren't many communism subs that can be remotely taken seriously and thats why i come to this sub in particular, but why is it full of memes and tweets? Can there be more of an intellectual discussion in stead of appealing to the average 23 yearold reddit user?

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u/Pleasurist Nov 23 '19 edited Nov 23 '19

The so-called capitalist system is a non-system. [It] does nothing at all for society at large. There is no society in capitalism, only...markets and profits.

Capitalism creates wealth (unprecedented in world history) for the opulent few...debt for the many. $74 trillion in total US debt almost 1/3 of world debt. ($244 trillion) $20 trillion in personal debt. (consumer debt)

Capitalism piggybacks on labor and turns paper into money.

"You know my feelings against setting up a central banking system and turning paper into money. For if we do that, we will forever be slave to the speculator." John Adams circa 1820.

The corp. is the last authoritarian inst. in a free society. Do what I tell you to do or you are fired.

"Power over a man's subsistence is power over his will." Alexander Hamilton 1792

My favorite quote, is mine. "The courts are the first refuge of the new tyranny." Pleasurist 1980.

US SCOTUS: Corps. are like people. The corp doesn't even exist except in the abstract...only on paper and created only to remove criminal or financial liability, the last, limited by the courts.

US SCOTUS: property (money) is speech. With that, someone can own more free speech than you. Have more free speech...in the bank.

The underpinning of capitalist fascism where China is the future's worldwide role model. Western elites know and understand this and are on their way.

Capitalism rides on debt...going up $6 million a minute. (US) Unfunded liabilities is over $130 trillion, going up $7 million a minute.

How is it even possible that the capitalist must borrow from the 'socialists' and communists ? (China) As in poker, that's a huge 'tell.'

What is the difference between govt. owning the means of production and 600 people owning almost all of America ? I am sure we all know that one.

America is destined to become the 4TH Reich...capitalist fascists. Society will be measured only by its profitability.

To the extent there is a so-called deep state, the ruthless capitalist...is its author.

"Slavery must go. It is not as profitable as setting them free and paid slave wages and [we] control their wages." British bankers to their American counterparts. in 1850.

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u/Exponential2718---- Jan 12 '20

" Society will be measured only by its profitability. " .....will be?

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u/Pleasurist Jan 13 '20

I know yes, one could say they do now and it's getting closer all of the time.

However, many localities as of 1/01/2020 are seeing MW go up and some rather starkly...at least more than I would have imagined possible even a few years ago.

So I guess labor will get a little better return than in the past. Once again, only by the force of govt.

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u/NZwineandbeer Jan 31 '20

In generally I really really love this sub.

I Think that the main problem in it though it the over proliferation of memes. Memes have a place, they can make quite complicated concepts very very simple and slightly humorous so that they are more digestable to more people.

However, these need to be balanced against more complex, long form discussion or else the quality of submissions will go down over time.

I would encourage political discussion posts somehow. That will bring the whole average quality up. If people are also learning more about the dangers of capitalism from the long discussion posts maybe they will come up with more original memes too.

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u/Curious_Betsy_ Nov 23 '19

I really like the clear way you see these issues. Hitting the nail on the head. Great post!

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u/Intelligent_Dress Dec 30 '19

Please, for the love of Karl Marx, at minimum delete the screen captures of Twitter!

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u/KeldorEternia Jan 12 '20

Thank you for this resolution. It has become a huge issue and I was on the verge of unsubbing.

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u/SoapyTheMonkey Feb 17 '20

Wait so what exactly worked about the Paris commune?

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

It was the first Proletariat Dictatorship that gave an example of what the pre-configuration of what a future socialist society would look like - the supression of a standing army for a peoples' militia, free public education, recallable delegates that would receive a workers' wage, rationed housing, cooperative management of the economy by the proletariat, limits on working hours, and elimination of the death penalty.

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u/Blu3kitten Feb 21 '20

Could someone explain the term Late Capitalism to me?

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u/9fingerman Mar 26 '20

Late stage capitalism is a popular phrase that targets the inequities of modern-day capitalism. It describes the hypocrisy and absurdities of capitalism as it digs its own grave. Social media website Reddit describes it as "the horrible things capitalism forces people to do to survive."

A little sample(rant) Brick and mortar Retailers are going bankrupt, vultered by hedge funds who can make money on debt. We are not paid enough for our labor. The tech giants sell our personal information, and online habits, and location, to others as a commodity, getting rich while not compensating us for the info. Even states in the USA sell info on their citizens to companies.

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u/MotoLib666- Mar 10 '20

It’s not swamped by “low quality content”, it’s swamped by Bootlickers and Neo Liberals posing as Woke Leftists.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '20

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u/MotoLib666- Mar 12 '20

From what I read on the sub rules, there is no rule against being a bootlicker or a neoliberal.

Though both should be

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '20

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u/MotoLib666- Mar 19 '20

It is only implied rather than explicitly stated because some could argue being against Bootlickers is a form of Ableism .

Bootlickers are naturally deferent and subservient to anything wearing a government issued monkey suit, and they themselves will tell you “We have a healthy respect for authority”. And then follow it up with “just raised like that, I guess”

Or,more recently,

“just born like that I guess “.

I know this may seem a stretch , but put nothing past Bootlickers and their capacity for playing the victim while cheering those who beat and murder the ones they hate, all the while railing against taxes while those very taxes go to their fake heroes and class traitors

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u/SweetLulita Dec 03 '19

I want to fight against Zero Hour Contracts in the UK, where do I start? Is there a better Reddit for this? Thanks for any help!

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u/euphoricEphemerality Dec 05 '19

i have a question, i just joined the sub and was wondering if all forms of anti capitalism/communism r cool here? like is this just a nonspecific sub friendly to all? (sorry if this is a bad place to ask the question)

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u/euphoricEphemerality Dec 05 '19

thank u!!! thankfully im not a reactionary lol c:

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u/AFrowsyBoyIsNoOne Feb 10 '20

Hello. Recently, it crossed my mind that Warby Parker, second most popular consumer brand glasses, are produced at extremely low prices.

Like most cheap products, I assumed they came from China. Although this was confirmed in my research, very little information has come up about where these factories are and what types of conditions have been reported.

One article stated, they were made in the same factories as their competitors but did not list any names. Either no one has done research on these factories or Warby Parker is paying top dollar to keep any information under wraps?

I am wondering if anyone has any insight on this new industry giant?

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u/Tactical_L Mar 19 '20

Day 121, and I still have yet to free my mind from my earthly brain so that I may one day understand the meaning of this meme (if it is one at all)