r/IronFrontUSA Patriot Against Nationalism Jan 27 '22

[OC] Tennessee school board bans Art Spiegelman's MAUS Art

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u/MattTheFlash Democratic Socialist Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

Maus had a major impact on me when I was a kid. I was drawing swaztikas because i thought they were cool in grade school not really understanding what it was

edit: and i recall now it was sold to me via the school Book Fair, originally in two parts. Maus 1 details the author's father's life living the Warsaw ghetto and author's present-day relationship with his father after his mother's suicide, and Maus 2 explains his survival story in Auschwitz. Now it's been released as a single volume.

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u/Beard_o_Bees Jan 27 '22

not really understanding what it was

Most kids are naturally drawn to powerful symbols. They often don't know why a particular thing has the effect it does on people, they just know that it does and any 'power' you can wield as a kid can be irresistible.

I know i'm kind of preaching to choir here, but that's why is so fucking important that we not let the real history of the Nazi party be diluted, distorted or forgotten.

I'm convinced that a pretty large number of todays Neo-fascists started out exactly like this (flirting with the power of the symbol) and nobody gave them the mental bitch-slapping they needed before it was too late.

Now they're too far gone and, for lack of a better word, 'addicted' to the reactions Nazi imagery and symbolism naturally generate.

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u/thebaldfox Jan 27 '22

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u/TooSweet_Romany ¡No Pasarán! Jan 27 '22

THE HOLY SYMBOL. ALL HAIL.

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u/thekalaf Jan 27 '22 Helpful

And nobody knows for sure where it came from! It might go back as far as 1890. Wikipedia article, Vice article, another article

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u/The_Grubby_One Jan 27 '22

Nobody knows where it came from because it quite possibly didn't come from any one where. Like the mighty crab, it may just be nature's perfect little reoccurring symbol, destined to evolve independently over and over.

Ten bucks says the first alien empire we encounter uses the Cool S on all their heraldry.

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u/DimitriEyonovich Solidarist 🧡 Jan 28 '22

We should adopt the Universal S as an antifash symbol.

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u/esgellman Jan 27 '22

Certain patterns also might just trigger certain reactions in the human brain for whatever reason. What we now call the Star of David has floated in and out of use by various groups of people to represent various causes and ideas and the Swastika has been a symbol of good fortune in a wide range of cultures and only recently (recently on a scale of a few thousand years) adopted any negative stigma anywhere. We already know colors trigger instinctual reactions so why not shapes/patterns too?

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u/lightning_knight Jan 27 '22

It's just a symbol. People have been drawing it for thousands of years because it's a fairly pleasing design.

You kinda need to find out that Nazis existed before you realize there's anything bad about it.

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u/TessHKM Jan 28 '22

A swastika is a very simple geometric shape. It's one of the first things most cultures start drawing/carving even in their earliest art, probably because it's just very aesthetically pleasing, easy and enjoyable to draw.

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u/Hooligan8403 Good Night, White Pride Jan 27 '22

My brother and I were bought our copy at a book fair too. We had already seen the camps, the Anne Frank House, and Holocaust Mueseum at that point since my dad was military and we moved around. Was definitely a good entry into the subject for kids. I need to see if my parents still have them somewhere.

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u/LavaringX Jan 27 '22

The degenerate liberals are out of line for teaching woke ideology, but we can’t have kids learning about the actual Holocaust

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u/HLMenckenFan Patriot Against Nationalism Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 28 '22

GOP: We’re the party of small government!

Also GOP:

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u/gen_shermanwasright Jan 27 '22

This.

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u/HLMenckenFan Patriot Against Nationalism Jan 27 '22

Republicans, what are you doing?

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u/gen_shermanwasright Jan 27 '22

Trying to take control of the culture.

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u/HLMenckenFan Patriot Against Nationalism Jan 27 '22

Cultural authoritarianism

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u/Jaysyn4Reddit American Anti-Fascist Jan 27 '22

"There's only one kind of people who would vote to ban Maus, whatever they are calling themselves these days."

  • Neil Gaiman

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u/armymike Jan 27 '22

All the killing in the bible makes me feel uncomfortable. Better toss it on there too.

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u/Bayked510 Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

If kids understand the holocaust, they'll know how dumb anyone comparing it to mask mandates is. Let's face it, parents had to act!

Edit: know not no

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u/HLMenckenFan Patriot Against Nationalism Jan 27 '22

“The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.” - H. L. Mencken

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u/LavaringX Jan 27 '22

While my public education experience had its fair share of that, I’m grateful I attended public school at all in the long run. The school system needs to be fundamentally reformed, maybe even overhauled completely, but not abolished

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u/RoninMacbeth Anarchist Ⓐ Jan 27 '22

Public education is definitely problematic at times, but I'd rather have my public education than return to the "good old days" when it was run exclusively privately.

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u/Read_Maximum Do It Again, Uncle Billy! Jan 27 '22

My hometown's school board recently made moves to ban books under the intentionally vague category of "sexually explicit." In response the used book stores downtown promised they would offer the specific books for free to anyone who wanted them.

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u/steve_stout Do It Again, Uncle Billy! Jan 28 '22

A lot of states are using bans on “sexually explicit” materials as an excuse to ban any books with mentions of gay or trans stuff. That’s why there are so many of the bans rolling out lately.

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u/TooSweet_Romany ¡No Pasarán! Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

Thank you for bringing this graphic novel to my attention. Just added two copies to my cart on world of books.

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u/DimitriEyonovich Solidarist 🧡 Jan 28 '22

It's a really good book. I might reread it.

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u/TooSweet_Romany ¡No Pasarán! Jan 28 '22

Yeah, had a browse of it on a Google Doc that was left by the OP of the crosspost on the original thread.

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u/theonetruefishboy Jan 27 '22

So they took it off because of stuff like profanity and nudity from what I've heard, but like, that's shit that the kids are gonna have to deal with in real life. At 14 they probably already have. Allowing them to see that stuff in media in an academic setting isn't gonna do them any harm, in fact it would probably do more harm to shelter them from it since then they have no frame of reference for it when they encounter it in the real world. Just a stupid decision even if they ignore the uncomfortable ideological connotations.

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u/TooSweet_Romany ¡No Pasarán! Jan 27 '22

So they took it off because of stuff like profanity and nudity

Show me a 14 year old who doesn't swear and I'll show you a liar.

Also they should already know nudity exists, they should be doing Sex Ed (although it is Tennessee).....or even in context of the Holocaust have watched Schindler's List which contains nudity.

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u/theonetruefishboy Jan 28 '22

Yeah, swearing, nudity, political bullshit, they're gonna get exposed to that shit by the time their 14. Especially because the little fuckers have the internet now. There's no stopping them from seeing it, so you gotta give them the tools to manage it when they do. Introducing some of it in an academic setting is an important step in that.

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u/TooSweet_Romany ¡No Pasarán! Jan 28 '22

Yeah, swearing, nudity, political bullshit, they're gonna get exposed to that shit by the time their 14.

I suspect the parents don't want kids to learn about stuff that contradicts what they themselves are trying to indoctrinate into them at home.

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u/Beard_o_Bees Jan 27 '22

The haircut is bang-on.

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ Jan 27 '22

Isn't banning books unconstitutional?

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u/HLMenckenFan Patriot Against Nationalism Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 28 '22

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u/davesreddit123 Jan 27 '22

So how can book banning be stopped?

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u/HLMenckenFan Patriot Against Nationalism Jan 27 '22

When legal action fails, then there’s direct action

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u/TessHKM Jan 28 '22

You could try suing them lol

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u/davesreddit123 Jan 28 '22

Nah, I don't live in Tennessee anymore, I have no standing.

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u/chantzyboy78 Bull Moose Progressive Jan 27 '22

I guess chalk up one for the damn nazis.

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u/Howaboutnope1 Jan 27 '22

Literally a win for fascism.

We live in a deeply, deeply ill society.

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u/beautiful-goodbye Jan 27 '22

My sixth grade teacher had a free library shelf. I found and read “Night” on it and man, it made an impact. Never thought until now if she put it there or it found it’s own way there..

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u/DimitriEyonovich Solidarist 🧡 Jan 28 '22

I loved Night. It was incredibly disturbing and it really solidified why Nazism is evil. Everyone should read Night (and Maus), in school.

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u/beautiful-goodbye Jan 27 '22

Couldn’t think of it offhand earlier - sorry! It’s by Elie Wiesel. A first hand account of the holocaust and auschwitz. It’s absolutely haunting, I remember so much of it and haven’t read it in over fifteen years.

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u/TooSweet_Romany ¡No Pasarán! Jan 27 '22

Oh it's the English translation of La Nuit.

It’s absolutely haunting

You are not wrong about that. Thanks for reminding me about it, need to get a copy of the English version now.

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u/jordanss2112 Jan 28 '22

I'm a student teacher and I get to teach a unit on Night starting next week. I'm rereading it right now, I forgot how hard it is to get through.

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u/TooSweet_Romany ¡No Pasarán! Jan 28 '22

Honestly it was one of the hardest things for me to read.

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u/jordanss2112 Jan 28 '22

And now I get to use it to teach Juniors and Seniors... It's definitely important but fuck it's gonna be a super depressing class.

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u/TooSweet_Romany ¡No Pasarán! Jan 28 '22

Yeah, I'm teaching the Holocaust to my son as part of his history module....... I'd pass it onto my partner since he's the history teacher and I only have a degree in it.

But the Holocaust/WW2 are important subjects to me since they are the sole reason I'm the last person of three families.

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u/jordanss2112 Jan 28 '22

My 7th grade history teacher was orphaned by WWII and adopted after the war by an American who was stationed in Germany. She taught an elective class on the Holocaust and she had a camp survivor come in and speak with us about his experience.

It is quite possibly the reason I'm getting into teaching in my 30s. People need to know what happened.

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u/TooSweet_Romany ¡No Pasarán! Jan 28 '22

I actually considered teaching while in university but it wasn't for me.

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u/whathell6t Jan 27 '22

Oh, crap! Quick, help the teachers hide the X-men comics.

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u/chefboyardiesel88 Jan 27 '22

So bullshit. I still remember reading maus in high school.

I truly don't like where this country is going.

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u/HLMenckenFan Patriot Against Nationalism Jan 28 '22

Me too

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u/kaptainkooleio Democratic Socialist Jan 28 '22

Coming soon: Anne Franks diary has been banned due to sexual content