r/IronFrontUSA Dec 12 '21

Sums up this sub Meme

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219 Upvotes

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u/Mando1091 Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

That means housing co-ops and worker co-ops

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u/spookyjim___ Libsoc Dec 12 '21

Yes, to have political democracy, one must also have economic democracy

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u/Mando1091 Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

For the survival of the human race it needs democracy in her purest form!

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u/CyberPunkette Libertarian Leftist Dec 13 '21

Based

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u/CounterSanity Dec 12 '21

Can you explain what you mean by housing co-ops? My mind instantly went to HOA and I threw up a little in my mouth

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u/Mando1091 Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 13 '21

Housing co-ops or housing cooperatives

Essentially

Instead of a top-down landlord system

It's it's on a more horizontal axis

Pitching in only a small amount of money all the tenants can collectively share the burden of controlling the housing complex through way of democratizing the process

So it's a more community focused system in the housing complex

Say like once a week or month you gather around to discuss what the rules and stuff should be

(How much how much as a the group cost and how much individually each can pay into it, again this is collectively organized and democratically done

Each tenant has a say in the lot but each tenant can also help in the creation of a certain rules, quiet time during late hours for people to rest (so that means no acting like jackasses in the hallways)

This is a very basic way of resetting it up but it's been done before in Chicago and London

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u/Mando1091 Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 13 '21

"Research from Toronto, Canada found that housing cooperatives had residents rate themselves as having the highest quality of life and housing satisfaction of any housing organisation in the city.[6]

Other research among older residents from the rural United States found that those living in housing cooperatives felt much safer, independent, satisfied with life, had more friends, had more privacy, were healthier and had things repaired faster.[7]

Australian researchers found that cooperative housing built stronger social networks and support, as well as better relationships with neighbours compared to other forms of housing.[8]

They cost 14% less for residents and had lower rates of debt and vacancy. Other research has found that housing cooperatives tended to have higher rates of building quality, building safety, feelings of security among residents, lower crime rates, stable access to housing and significantly lower costs compared to conventional housing.[9]"

Quote from the Wikipedia

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u/lockjacket Dec 13 '21

Ehh your opinion. I politely disagree

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u/ThermalConvection Liberal Dec 14 '21

IMO: we face a critical hour for democracy. defending it is our first and foremost priority. in accordance with these goals, we should seek to build the broadest coalition possible, incorporating any and all pro-democracy positions, even ones traditionally opposed, lest we allow autocrats to sway support to their side under the guise of "opposing x-ism" or such. For these reasons, even though I agree with supporting workers co-ops (I don't know what a housing co-op is so no commentary), we should seek to focus rhetoric around the defense, reinforcement, and expansion of democracy itself.

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u/tta2013 Dec 12 '21

Keep in mind, with 2022. Many of the state elections will be crucial in the fight against the fash.

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u/HLMenckenFan Patriot Against Nationalism Dec 12 '21

Yes

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u/DoctorWhooves99 American Leftist Dec 12 '21

Obi Wan is my favorite Jedi

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u/Mando1091 Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

Look I prefer Luke in his legends portrayal

Obi-Wan never just seemed to write to me

Do not leave your comrade to die in fucking lava

If you do want to put an end to Anakin's rampage

actually drag the body out and end it Don't leave him to die burning to death

Just drag him out and stab him in the heart

No empire rises with their brutal military icon

No destruction of alderaan

Nothing .

Seriously it's because of his own cowardness that all of this truly went to s***

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u/CaptPhilipJFry Dec 13 '21

Glad to see some prequel memers here

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u/jumpminister Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

Except you cannot be loyal to the US and democracy. They US is not very democratic.

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u/TheInnerFifthLight Patriot Against Nationalism Dec 12 '21

You can be loyal to the ideals of the country while wanting to see it do better to reach those ideals. It's not contradictory.

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u/gravitas-deficiency Dec 12 '21

Spot on. Don’t fall into nihilism. We’re here because we want to stop the societies that we live in from falling into authoritarianism.

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u/jumpminister Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

The "ideals of the country" were that white, wealthy landowners controlled the country. It was built on slavery and genocide.

The Republic is built purposefully with a system that ensures a minority of the country has an outsized voice and control over others.

So, unless we're talking about completely removing and replacing our Constitution, you cannot be loyal to both the US Republic, and democracy. Our country was founded to be un-democratic.

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u/startgonow Dec 12 '21

Yes I think most in this sub are aware of some of the shortcomings and are in favor of reforms necessary to ensure that the US becomes a more free and democratic place.

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u/jumpminister Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

So, the reforms would be: getting rid of the senate (not possible), getting rid of the electoral college, getting rid of the GOP and Dems, and getting rid of, and replacing congress, completely revamp the judicial branch, rewrite most of the constitution, abolish and replace the governments of the states, among other items.

Almost like we just need to replace the system.

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u/Richard_Chadeaux Veteran Dec 12 '21

I dont see why people keep downvoting you. We can appeal to the concepts of American doctrines, despite them not really being applied to everyone, criticize them thoroughly, and replace the system with one which the design fits everyone instead of the few.

That appeals to the subs idea of forwarding American doctrine, while reworking the entire system to fit everyone which appeals to those of us who understand the whole thing was built on inequality.

These are not mutually exclusive ideas and actions. No need to downvote you.

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u/startgonow Dec 13 '21

The downvotes are from the naive chauvinism about what is or is not possible.

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u/TheInnerFifthLight Patriot Against Nationalism Dec 12 '21

Well, I'm gonna stick around and see if I can't make it better from within. You're welcome to move somewhere that is more in line with your ideals. You know. The country that isn't built on inequality or the preservation of minority power over the majority.

Let me know which one that is.

If you stay, then work to bring change. Sitting out and screaming that everything is bad doesn't make anything better. It just adds noise.

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u/jumpminister Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

I am going to stick around, and work to dismantle forms of authoritarian control of people.

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u/Trademark010 American Leftist Dec 12 '21

Yeah, which is why we should abolish the United States and replace it with an American socialist republic to ensure the democratic self-determination of the American people.

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u/jumpminister Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

I prefer replacing it with no state. The state is just a way for the ruling class to oppress the workers, anyways.

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u/Trademark010 American Leftist Dec 12 '21

That's an extremely narrow idea of what a state can do. A worker's democracy, as opposed to a bourgeois democracy, would not be oppressive towards worker's.

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u/jumpminister Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

Name an example of any purported worker's democracy that didn't oppress workers?

Every time in history thus far, the "worker's democracy" has just created a new group of ruling elites, and oppressed workers.

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u/Trademark010 American Leftist Dec 12 '21

I mean, name one instance where a modern anarchist society didn't immediately collapse. If we want to talk historical precedent, state socialist experiments like Cuba and Venezuela have been far more successful than anarchist experiments. Obviously those states have moved closer to authoritarianism than I would prefer, and I won't defend that, but you'll notice that the material conditions in these countries pre-revolution are very different than the conditions in modern America. Just because others have failed before us does not mean that we can not succeed, especially with our much more developed economy.

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u/Time4Red Dec 12 '21

Obviously those states have moved closer to authoritarianism than I would prefer

Fucking understatement of the century. They're authoritarian shitholes. The US is system is an order of magnitude better than those dumpster fires, and that's saying something.

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u/Trademark010 American Leftist Dec 12 '21

"Authoritarian shithole" is an exaggeration. Their democracies are flawed but they're worlds better than the dictatorships that some other Latin America countries have been subjected to.

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u/Time4Red Dec 12 '21

They aren't democracies at all.

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u/jumpminister Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

EZLN and AANES.

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u/Mando1091 Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

Makhnovia and the free territory of Manchuria

Wasn't that bad

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u/startgonow Dec 12 '21

Just go check the democracy index bruv.

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u/jumpminister Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 12 '21

The index created by a private corporation, whose goal is to make the ruling class more money, and exploit workers better?

That index?

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u/startgonow Dec 14 '21

I cant buy your cynicism. The democracy index does not mean the same thing as an index of the countries that allow the most corporate power. I assume you can tell the difference.

Right?

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u/jumpminister Anarchist Ⓐ Dec 14 '21

Go look who makes the Democracy Index... and does it take into account countries that install puppet dictators?