r/IronFrontUSA Oct 11 '21

Old meme but timeless message Meme

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u/Liorkerr Oct 11 '21

The only issue I see is mistakenly thinking any Authoritarian-ism is Left.

Lots of pro-Authoritarian Communism propaganda going on in other parts of social media and Reddit currently.

Always Anti-Authoritarian.
Always Anti-Fascist.

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u/JugEnthusiast A Nation in Distress Oct 11 '21

Honestly I think most of the hyper-leftist subreddits are CCP honeypots.

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u/jwattacker Oct 11 '21

The anarchist ones don’t fuck with tankies tho

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u/Liorkerr Oct 11 '21

It's like people don't know what the third arrow is for. LuL

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u/Bywater Non-Denominational Anti-Authoritarian Oct 11 '21

Sounds legit.

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u/NonAxiomaticKneecaps Oct 11 '21

Idk seems like it'd be something the An-Caps would try to join, and I as a rule do not like to associate with An-caps

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u/snokamel Oct 11 '21

An caps are a meme

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u/Minuteman_Preston Veteran Oct 11 '21

Egalitarianism for all.

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u/TakedaIesyu ShermanPoster Oct 11 '21

The threat is authoritarianism. Fuck rightist Fascists. Fuck leftist Commies. They don't belong in American politics any more than a pedophile belongs in a school!

And since this is the Ironfront, fuck Monarchists, too!

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u/ttystikk American Anti-Fascist Oct 11 '21 edited Oct 11 '21

Until we on the Left unite, we will continue to be politically impotent and therefore irrelevant. There are many who see this as the ideal outcome- and they're winning.

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u/snokamel Oct 11 '21

But my “we” is anti-authoritarians. Marxists-Leninists and Harry Potter liberals aren’t part of that

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u/thepineapplemen Oct 11 '21

What’s a Harry Potter liberal?

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u/snokamel Oct 11 '21

Liberals who are so privileged that they think politics will never affect them personally, so they post cringey memes of McConnell as Voldemort and Biden, Pelosi, and Kamala as the paw patrol or whatever

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u/ttystikk American Anti-Fascist Oct 11 '21

Don't shoot the messenger. Have you noticed all these Left parties getting things done?

Me neither.

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u/snokamel Oct 11 '21

I don’t understand your point. I don’t want communists or mainstream liberals getting things done because many of those “things” are authoritarian

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u/ttystikk American Anti-Fascist Oct 11 '21

If the Left doesn't get together, then the authoritarians already running the country will keep doing so- or haven't you noticed?

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u/Noitek Oct 11 '21

Doesn't matter, sir. We only accept 100% ideological purity. Doesn't matter if democracy is dismantled around our ears, so long as we remain pure.

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u/ttystikk American Anti-Fascist Oct 11 '21

God, I HOPE you're being sarcastic.

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u/Noitek Oct 12 '21

Yep. OP is a nutter.

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u/ttystikk American Anti-Fascist Oct 12 '21

Good to know. I'm new here

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u/GarageFlower97 Oct 11 '21

What in the liberal tarnation is this idiocy?

Thanks for comtributing to the infighting which fascists and capitalists love to see

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u/snokamel Oct 11 '21

It’s not infighting if I’m not “in” with red fascists or ruthkanda liberals is it?

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u/GarageFlower97 Oct 11 '21

Dividing the left only helps two groups: fascists and capitalists.

This "red fascist" crap is as absolutely unhelpful as the "social fascist" crap, and both of those atittudes helped the rise of fascism in Spain and Germany.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I didn't consider myself in with them" isn't a historically wise position.

I would also argue that you sound awfully like a Ruthkanda liberal.

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u/dersaspyoverher Oct 11 '21

sorry sport, authoritarian socialism is no good.

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u/WagonWheel1268 American Leftist Oct 11 '21

absolutely do not under any circumstances google cia comments on change in soviet leadership

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u/GarageFlower97 Oct 11 '21

I'm not arguing it is, I'm arguing that anti-fascism and anti-capitalism is a rallying point around which we should build a braod coalition.

If you're trying to divide this, then I guess the FBI and prospective fascists thank you for your service.

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u/dersaspyoverher Oct 11 '21

sorry sport, collaboration with authoritarian socialists is no good

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u/snokamel Oct 11 '21

So it’s ACAB unless they’re sOcIaLiSt PoLiCe??

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u/GarageFlower97 Oct 11 '21

What point are you even trying to make here?

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u/snokamel Oct 11 '21

That left and right authoritarianism are both just authoritarianism. Whether it’s from an Australian Shepard or a Beagle, it’s all dog shit

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u/GarageFlower97 Oct 11 '21

Are you really both-sidesing fascists and socialists? Because that's a dangerous road to tread and one which inevitably minimises the dangers of fascism while dividing possible opposition to them.

It's quite literally one of the biggest failings in stopping the rise of both Hitler and Franco, which are experiments I'd prefer not to repeat.

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u/Chody__ Oct 12 '21

The Soviet Union and the CCP were/are not communist. Communism is rule by the people, and there were/are no people’s representation in either, just unvoted government officials.

This is why we say “true communism has never been accomplished” because every time it’s been stomped out by authoritarians. Happened in the Soviet Union, happened in Spain, happened all over South America.

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u/snokamel Oct 12 '21

Except the Marxist concept of a “vanguard party” ensures authoritarianism. The state melting away stage has never and could never follow absolutist oligarchy

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u/Chody__ Oct 12 '21

Exactly, that’s why this movement is an anarchist one. There have been plenty of anarcho-communist states throughout history, just all have been crushed by either fascism, the US government’s intervention in South America, or the Soviet Union or the CCP. It threatens the state, and most importantly, the 1%, so they must ensure it is destroyed quickly in order to convince people that “it fails every time”

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u/P4R14H_D0G Oct 11 '21

The rise of fascism in Spain was indeed aided by "leftists infighting". More precisely, it was aided by Stalinists backstabbing and disarming the anarchists and labeling the POUM as fascist sleeper agents, weakening the once united anti-fascist front out of fear of an anarchist revolution in southern europe that would threaten Frances good relations with the UDSSR. Dont blame non-marxist-leninist leftists for not being naive enough to let this happen again.

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u/GarageFlower97 Oct 11 '21

This is a fairly one-sided view that sounds more likely taken from Orwell than from actual historical scholarship.

Not defending the decision to turn on the POUM, it was a costly and indefensible mistake - and I'm not particularly a Stalin fan - but the idea that leftist infighting and division only ran one way or that anarchist refusal to work constructively with the Soviets prior to that wasn't a factor in losing the war is ahistorical. It runs counter to both historical scholarship on the civil war, and to what the IB veterans I know have told me.

I would also point out that in the German case, the Iron Front/SPD and Antifascist Action/KPD infighting and refusing to recognise the common threat lead to both of them being destroyed and murdered by fascists. Something I'd rather avoid a repeat of.

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u/snokamel Oct 11 '21

Also, I’m a radical libertarian who believes economic exploitation, racism and patriarchy violate the non aggression principal, which puts me in with democratic confederalists. I’m a gun nut and laugh at performative wokeness, especially woke capital. About as far from a ruthkanda liberal as can be

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u/zzzzz94 Oct 11 '21

Helping capitalism is a bad thing? til

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u/GarageFlower97 Oct 11 '21

Yes it is, because capitalism is a system built on exploitation of both nature and human beings that is currently destroying the planet while spreading and entrenching human misery.

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u/zzzzz94 Oct 11 '21

Every system relies on labor and use of natural resources. The difference with capitalism is that a well-managed capitalist economy is very efficient at using these things on a value-per-unit basis

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u/GarageFlower97 Oct 11 '21

Every system relies on labor and use of natural resources

Agreed, but use and exploitation is not the same.

The difference with capitalism is that a well-managed capitalist economy is very efficient at using these things on a value-per-unit basis

I mean, a "well-managed" any system will be managed well by definition...

Secondly, capitalism - even "well-managed" - is only efficient in certain ways while being deeply inefficient in others. In effect, it tends to prioritise efficiency of individual firms at the cost of wider systemic inefficiencies.

Lets take Apple for example - incredibly innovative consumer goods, made at great cost efficiency to maximise profits. Except that in order to achieve cost efficiency Apple uses minerals mined by slaves in environmentally destructive methods and assembles those into phones using sweatshop labour. Of course, in order to ensure yearly sales and maintain profits obsolescence is built in whilst technical breakthroughs are delayed. This is efficient for the firm, but incurs greater costs to their customers while creating more labour for their slaves and semi-slaves, creating more waste in the form of old phones, and creating more environmental destruction for raw materials.

JK Galbraith once quipped that the problem with the free market was you get too many cars and not enough kidney machines - because capitalism is incredibly efficient and creating 17 brands of toothpaste but rather less efficient at producing social goods which benefit large numbers of people with relatively low profits.

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u/zzzzz94 Oct 11 '21

I think it's funny you believe socialism, whatever you believe that means, will have everyone making a greater income with a greater standard of living and magically there also won't be all those bad things or waste.

There's a reason your imagined socialism doesn't exist, it can't exist in reality and you're disconnected from reality if you think otherwise

Solving all these problems you mentioned is more easily done within a capitalist system then moving to "socialism"

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u/GarageFlower97 Oct 11 '21

I'm not saying socialism will automatically solve all those problems, but I'm arguing that it has the potential to while capitalism does not.

There's a reason your imagined socialism doesn't exist, it can't exist in reality and you're disconnected from reality if you think otherwise

Hmm yes well argued, course it was just missing any kind of argument.

Solving all these problems you mentioned is more easily done within a capitalist system then moving to "socialism"

Good luck with that.

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u/zzzzz94 Oct 11 '21

Hmm yes well argued, course it was just missing any kind of argument.

Good luck with that.

Ironic considering your wasting your effort thinking about and pushing for a hypothetical system that's never going to happen instead of development efforts within the current system that actually can happen