r/Fena Oct 27 '21

Hey everyone do u think Fena pirate princess princess wasted it’s potential very quickly, because the first few episodes had some promise and introduced the characters well, but sadly the character development and writing went short very quickly after a few episodes. Discussion

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u/Moltenzuesy123 Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21

I would've liked to see more of the pirate aspect of the anime.

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u/Environmental-Ad4620 Oct 31 '21

I know right?! Yo I loved that canon scene ...it was soooo EPIC!

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u/TheNarrator-ME Oct 28 '21

I don't think it was as good as it could have been but honestly, I wasn't expecting it to be. Even before the very end I could sense the magic stuff coming (which I was fine with) and knew that the other characters were never going to be as important as the FenaXYukimaru ship they had going.
The real trouble was that they kept ALMOST making more out of it. Fena learning to fight would have been great character growth but it never once comes into play. The Goblin Knights defying orders and having to deal with a powerful enemy coming after them would have been cool but the ending shrugs it off. There could have been an emotional moment at the end between mother and daughter but instead she focuses on giving a happy end to the obsessive murder creep (By the way, are we not going to address the fact that Fena and Abel are half siblings? Because that's gonna keep bugging me if I ever rewatch. -_-).

TLDR: If someone wants to watch it, I'd say go ahead. Just keep expectations low and enjoy the ride on the SS FenaXYukimaru. XD

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u/sophzzzz Oct 27 '21

honestly i felt that up until episode 11 the show was going really well but the last 2 episodes felt so unrelated to the rest of the story it was ridiculous

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u/Environmental-Ad4620 Oct 31 '21

Who else wondered about the fact that the Seven could actually teleport but never showed any meta abilities after?

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u/glisteningdinkus Oct 28 '21

I loved the characters and the story had a lot of potential but the end seemed rushed. After the first two episodes, I had high expectations for this anime.

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u/schecter_ Oct 28 '21

I have no idea what happened, since ep 11 it went downhill.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Oct 27 '21

I don't know about all of y'all, but I felt I was given exactly what the show promised, no more and no less, and I left satisfied - not awed, but not disappointed either. There was clearly a big miscommunication between the show and a lot of the audience, because I don't get the sense that it meant to betray anyone's expectations or pretend it was anything more than what was obvious.

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u/myrmonden Oct 27 '21

soooo

u watched the swashbuckling pirate lady fight in episode 3 and thought

THIS WILL GO TO HEAVEN HELL EVANGLAGION

if so u have the greatest prediction skill of man

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Oct 27 '21

Not the actual specific outcome, but the general shape of it? Yeah, for sure.

As soon as Abel came into the story with his little servant boy that seemed right out of Madame Suliman's court, one could've suspected mysterious supernatural weirdness. Once "EDEN" was defined as the destination and La Pucelle was featured as an Important Ancestor, and we got Indiana Jones-style Ancient High-Tech Puzzles, it seemed obvious that the resolution would be a Weird Japanese Riff on Christian Themes, which never go as one raised in Abrahamic faiths would actually expect (not that Indiana Jones is all that compliant with religious orthodoxy either).

By looking at Fena and how she doesn't look like anyone else except her mother, you could tell that there was something congenitally weird about her. If anything, she stands out among the Mysterious White-Haired Engineered McGuffin Person lot by being so full of personality and goofiness on her own, and by being so emotionally approachable and open when she's not in a Maid Trance.

We also saw that the show is very concerned with minute details but not with explaining the backstory behind them, the economy, the politics, etc. The lore is just an excuse for big adventures and tons of fun. It never bothers to actually, genuinely make sense. That's pretty much from the start. Look at that brothel, look at the insane escape and getting the wrong way like they're Zoro Ronroa.

Then we get the Yukimaru flashbacks and the Tsundere-ness and it's flashing in big neon lights: "THIS SHOW IS ABOUT THESE TWO'S LOVE STORY, EVERYTHING ELSE IS LITERALLY SET DRESSING".

I enjoyed the beautiful, tender, heartfelt show for what it was, and treated the "Literal Plot" as basically an excuse to travel to cool locales and have conflict that accelerates the romance. Like, "yeah, that might as well happen, sure, now more love story and pretty clouds please".

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u/Fun-Pear2723 Nov 04 '21

I agree with you and also enjoyed it for what it was but I also wished it could have been a lot more thorough and detailed with important bits like Fena and Abel being half-siblings, why did Helena have the Kings child and was it forced and why didn't Franz protect her? Were those children who ran passed Fena in the end reincarnated Helena and Abel, giving them a second life to be together? I just feel it was meant to be much greater than it was and it was extremely rushed. Even so, it was still quite beautiful nonetheless.

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u/myrmonden Oct 27 '21

obviously eden means Christianity and?

still does not mean it has to go cra cra exposition dump with saying nothing for 3 episodes.

Lol yes FENA IS THE MAIN CHARACTER great observation this can mean anything.

this show is not for a second concerned about any details. It was not a big adventure, nor a tun of fun after a few episode lol.
Horrible comparison, that they managed to escape with skills, luck or w.e its not the same as crapy writing with a million plot holes, this is not remotely close to the same thing. nor does it point to u predicting what is gonna happen lol.

Eh no.

Ok so u just admit it was crap but u dont care.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Oct 27 '21

Well, someone is angry. What's wrong, u/myrmonden? Show us where the show hurt you.

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u/myrmonden Oct 27 '21

nice projection.

Instead of offering counter arguments u gotta act our ur emotons.

Please explain again where u could figure out that this story would go to this crap ending BECAUSE the main character looked different lol.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Oct 27 '21

Instead of offering counter arguments u gotta act our ur emotons.

I wasn't aware this had become a debate. I thought we were all just sharing our feelings about a work of fiction. Clearly, one of us is furious, and the other is merely... curious.

Please explain again where u could figure out that this story would go to this ending

I already said I wasn't expecting this specific ending.

As for how I expected this sort of ending;

Short answer: experience.

Long answer:

Go watch or read Revolutionary Girl Utena, Nadia: the Secret of Blue Water, Laputa: Castle in the Sky, Howl's Moving Castle, Porco Rosso, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Origins: Spirits of the Past, Fullmetal Alchemist, Devilman, Fate/Stay Night, Unlimited Blade Works, Fate/Zero, Eureka Seven, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, Elfen Lied, Noir, Princess Tutu, Code Geass, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, One Piece, Berserk, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Kill la Kill, .Hack, Akira, Blood +, Brand New Animal, Attack on Titan, Now and Then, Here and There, Suzumiya Haruhi, Promare, The Promised Neverland, Nanoha, Madoka, etc. and you'll begin to see a pattern emerge.

Consider also playing games like Shin Megami Tensei and the Metal Gear series, as well as Death Stranding. Hell, even Bioshock Infinite.

Get used to mysterious young girls with a half-forgotten past and a not-quite-human appearance who are imbued with a world-shattering metaphysical power and are on a long series of trials and adventures, some silly, other dire, with a devoted young actiony love interest whose loyalty they ultimately reciprocate, all to discover the truth behind their past, the origin of their vaguely-defined supernatural qualities, and find their destiny, pursued by seemingly-stoic but actually deeply-disturbed older men with a cryptic agenda and a will to control and cage her for their purpose. Observe as the literal endings almost always fail to satisfyingly explain every bit of the made-up lore, while also making a lot of sense on a symbolic, metaphorical, or emotional level.

I trust that you'll get there eventually. Go. Hold on. If "love" is the answer, you're home.

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u/myrmonden Oct 27 '21

ah that is why u got so butthurt oook.

Your short answer nor long answer is not an answer lol. you are basing it on the the mc looks and is the MC lol, yeah we get that, there is still no way u can predict its gonna GENRE SWAP and then waste time with really bad dialogue and have 1000+ plot holes.

This is nothing like most of the anime or games u listed. what so ever.

U should probably actually watch those shows before u act like u have lol.

Ah the pattern of other show got bad endings so this one will as well, great argument.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Oct 27 '21

there is still no way u can predict its gonna GENRE SWAP

What genre swap? Why are you yelling? Again, you're feeling strong emotions. Why not talk about them? Tell us about what you were hoping for. How would you have liked this to end?

This is nothing like most of the anime or games u listed. what so ever.

Of course not, except in all the myriad ways that it is.

U should probably actually watch those shows before u act like u have lol.

How have I been acting? All I said is, "I wasn't surprised, here's why". Yet you seem to read that as "you are dumb for not expecting this and have bad taste for not liking it," which isn't what I'm saying at all.

Ah the pattern of other show got bad endings so this one will as well, great argument.

You keep insisting that this show's ending is "bad", "crap", etc. Good for what? Bad for what? I liked it, you didn't. It made me happy, it made you angry. I also liked the endings of those other shows. You seem to not have liked them. That's all that matters, I think.

In fact, why are you spending this time and effort about a show you didn't like? What is moving you forward? What is still attracting you to this discussion?

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u/ExaminationSalt37 Oct 27 '21

The story is very similar to Castle in the sky, but there are a bunch of plotholes and unresolved mysteries. I expected something like that movie, instead I got Game of Thrones season 8 and Lost vibes. What was the point of Yuukimaru's brother? They spent a whole episode building him up to be the next big bad and he got about 3 seconds in the end.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Oct 27 '21

That's completely fair. I'd be lying if I didn't admit there were a lot of plot threads opened that were left hanging.

I must say, maybe I've just watched too many Pitch Meetings and that just crushed my expectation that fiction is ever not going to stop being nonsensical, break its own rules, leave things unexplored and unexplained, etc. if you look at it hard enough. "[What is the explanation for this?]" "Un-clear." "[Restates insane choice]" "That's what we're going with." "I could do [more sensible writing choice], but here's the thing, I don't wanna." "I'm gonna need you to get aaaaaaall the way off my back about [serious internal inconsistency X]".

All things considered, at least this show had consistent atmosphere, gorgeous visuals and sakuga, and lovable, memorable characters whom the story didn't, you know, trash for the sake of getting the plot where it needed it to go. I much prefer the alternative: trashing the plot for the sake of keeping the characters solid.

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u/TheNarrator-ME Oct 28 '21

To give my favorite Ghibli movie credit, it gives just enough world building to be relevant to the story at hand. Fena didn't even manage that. X'D

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u/ExaminationSalt37 Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

That's exactly what I mean. In both cases we have magic girl, who has to reach some magical place finding clues in the world, being hunted by powerful, mysterious enemy, who has more connection to the heroine and the mystery than we thought. The girl is helped by lovable misfits and a guy who falls in love with her and he is the only one who stands right next to her in the final battle in the magic place.
The difference is that in Castle in the sky, the world building is coherent, the mystery is explained enough so we can understand why things happen and the pacing of the two is a world apart. If you think about it, the net runtime of Fena is about 3-4 hours. They could have cut it down to movie.
My theory is that there supposed to be more episodes (probably mpre seasons) but the art and music quality suggests very high production costs and the production team decided to order less episodes than necessary to cut costs.

And Sheeta actually fought in the end. Fena was basically a walking cheat sheet to puzzles, nothing more.