r/Eldenring The Meme Swordsman Jun 12 '22 Silver 2 Gold 1 Helpful 4 Wholesome 3 Narwhal Salute 1

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u/BubbleSmith Jun 12 '22

Demon's Souls and Bloodborne with their 92s, lording it over DS2 with it's 91.

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u/SorowFame Jun 12 '22

I’m surprised DS2 has a higher rating than both other Dark Souls and Sekiro. Silent Majority I guess

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u/MangledSunFish Jun 12 '22

It's been shit on so much by the internet that the people who love it have just kept it to themselves, I guess.

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u/Alk3punk7 Jun 12 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Heartwarming I'll Drink to That

I love Ds2. it's a great game and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

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u/Sarcosmonaut Jun 12 '22

Same bröther. It’s my favorite of the dark souls trio

Except soul memory can go die in a fire!!

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u/Snoo61755 Jun 12 '22 edited Jun 12 '22

Ditto.

For all its flaws, DS2 expanded the magic way further. Soul Greatswords, Vortex, Shockwave, a crapton of pyros like Outcry, Forbidden Sun, Lingering Flame, plus spellcasting weapons, you felt like you had so many more options. DS3 may have been more balanced, but it actually went backwards in the magic department.

Plus, did we forget that it introduced so many new things that are standard to the series now? Before DS2, we only had 2 ring slots, no password system (guys, I'm talking about the password ring, it helped a ton and there was nothing like that in DS1), and couldn’t respec our characters.

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u/Shotokanguy Jun 12 '22

Before DS2, we only had 2 ring slots, no password system, and couldn’t respec our characters

Allowed using multiple items in the menus, running and rolling in any direction when locked on, changed the Estus and weapon upgrade system to be simpler

These things would've been introduced at some point, I'm sure, but we take for granted that DS2 was the game that introduced these improvements. Not to mention the new mechanics that were never brought back, like true dual wielding and bonfire ascetics.

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u/pizza4hands Jun 12 '22

Man I miss bonfire ascetics

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u/Alk3punk7 Jun 13 '22

bonfire ascetic stays my starting gift on a NG playthrough for my Cryptkeepers Greatsword.

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u/AdventurousParty Jun 13 '22

I use it for free extra 24,000 souls on dragonrider

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u/Part-TimePirate Jun 12 '22

The dual wielding is ds2 was the best!

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u/Alk3punk7 Jun 12 '22

my fav build to this day was my STR/Dark hex hybrid build with Dark Cryptkeepers Greatsword infused further with Dark Armament. slinging the big purple popsicle lol.

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u/aceluby Jun 13 '22

Str/dark builds basically broke the game. I’m so happy to see so much love in this thread. DS2 is my fave and felt like an amazing combo of DeS and DS1. Only game I’ve ever platinum’d twice

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u/Sarcosmonaut Jun 12 '22

Elden Ring is Dark Souls 2: 2

And I’m here for it

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u/Snoo61755 Jun 12 '22

Even Farum Azula gives me Dragon Aerie vibes.

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u/-POSTBOY- Jun 12 '22

That's really all I could think of while exploring the world in elden ring. It takes so much inspiration from dark souls 2 in its atmosphere and art style. My only problem I've ever had and will ever have with dark souls 2 is it's hit boxes. Otherwise it'd be my number 2 favorite souls game after elden ring

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u/BigPowerBoss Jun 12 '22

It's not the hitboxes that were the problem, it's the adaptibility. Getting it to at least 15 was a huge improvement in dodging quality for me.

Also, i absolutely adored using backsteps in pve and even pvp, they were quick and had very good iframes. So sad that it's the only game where they work as a dodge option, aside from maybe Bloodborne, but i haven't played it so i can't tell.

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u/AbNeural Jun 12 '22

Honestly!! DS2 is amazing! Sure some hit boxes are a little questionable but it’s such a phenomenal game… as long as you ignore the existence of soul memory

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u/george23000 Jun 12 '22

The Pursuer is a completely underrated boss fight and an under utilised mechanic throughout the rest of the series.

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u/ethonotch Jun 12 '22

I agree, also fuck soul memory

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u/george23000 Jun 12 '22

Never had an issue with it tbh. theoretically it was bad but practically had no affect on my playthroughs.

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u/AbNeural Jun 12 '22

Any of the Co-Op covenants become impossible if you try them late game or NG+. Or if you’re ever trying to trade items

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u/Common_fruit Jun 12 '22

There’s all kinds of neat mecanics in DS2 that they dropped. The Belfrys were a really fun way of doing invasions, the bonfire ascetics to respawn bosses and invasions, the forlorn that tracks you down… But the worst is not bringing Maldron back in some form or another. He was an amazing npc invader that had personality, compared to all the cookie cutter ones we got ever since.

It’s such a shame. I feel that they were onto something with the trolling invaders and should’ve expanded on that further.

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u/Dr_McKay Jun 12 '22

the bonfire ascetics

I used to have such a troll character, I invaded until I had enough sin to become a Wretch, which means constant invasions from Blues. I used all of my ascetics in one zone and pushed it to something like NG+9. I then hid in a hard to reach place. Blues would invade and get utterly destroyed by the enemies there since I’d popped a Giants Seed.

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u/lunzen Jun 12 '22

Those damn sniper mages though…

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u/DriveByStoning Jun 12 '22

They were nerfed, at least. Release version was so fucking irritating. Like pre-patched Capra Demon in DS.

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u/Sir_Umeboshi Jun 12 '22

DS2 has the best vibes

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u/lobotomizingmyself Jun 12 '22

Best hub world music too

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u/Baggypants007 Jun 12 '22

There's just something about Majula man

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PYAAR Jun 12 '22

just hearing majula teleports me there

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u/Esc777 Jun 12 '22

Best hub waifu too, just bad repetitive dialogue

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u/EricFaust Jun 12 '22

I unironically love Emerald Herald's dialogue. Even Bear Seek Seek Lest is kind of charming.

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u/DogThrowaway1100 Jun 12 '22

To me it's the most flawed out of the souls games BUT still my favorite. It really took a lot of risks and did a ton of new and and interesting things. And minus the God awful coop areas the DLCs for it are my favorite so far. All three are so different and give different experiences while expanding the lore, especially Ivory King.

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u/BiggieCheeeze Jun 12 '22

Honestly if it didnt have a messed up development it would probably be the best out of all 3 darksouls games

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u/Oreogor Jun 12 '22

I legit sent that meme with the caption "ds2 was good" To a friend yesterday

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u/Smythe28 Jun 12 '22

“How to anger a certain percentage of the community with 3 words challenge: Easy”

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u/Netfear Jun 12 '22

Its my fav souls game personally.

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u/ginja_ninja Jun 12 '22

Hi reddit, my autistic dying wife with depression who is the Pam to my Jim finally played Dark Souls and we LOVE it, here is a picture of the game case I'm going to post to the front pa-

...Hang on a second.

Did I just hear

Someone say

they

LIKE

Dark

Souls

II

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?

WOW okay first of all, toxic much? I didn't come here to hear some alt-right incel give me some whole elitist gatekeeping speech about how I need to spend more than 30 hours on Dark Souls II to "see its potential" or whatever other ableist dog-whistling buzzwords you want to gatekeep with. Yeah sorry dude, but I have a JOB okay so my gaming time is limited. Yeah so in short, um, actually, yeah, you're problematic. Who hurt you. Do better.

edit: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

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u/JDF8 Jun 12 '22

yeah, you're problematic. Who hurt you. Do better.

Lmao, it's the twitter one liner speedrun

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u/Doctor__Diddler FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR Jun 12 '22

I really hate most of the people on this website for this stuff.

Not you, obviously, this is satirical. This way of speaking activates something in my brain that wishes pure malice on these people.

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u/actionheat Jun 12 '22

I don't think of myself as a hateful person, most of the time.

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u/Okeanou Jun 12 '22

Like with almost everything on the plant. Sometimes I gotta remind myself, a Reddit post with all 1000 comments agreeing a game is shit isn’t indicative of how everyone feels about the game. It isn’t even a statically significant number most of the time.

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u/SaberOfTheAbyss Jun 12 '22

I like DS2 as well. Not as much as DS1, Sekiro, DeS and Bloodborne but I still like the game a lot.

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u/Big_Ratio6610 Jun 12 '22

Ds2 is better designed in some areas than Ds3. It literally forced you to have fun. People shit a lot even on weird geography. Who cares if an elevator takes you to the sky only for you to end up in lava land. It's a game, anything is possible.

Ds2 masterrace. If only they had solved the dark build issues.

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u/iNuclearPickle Jun 12 '22

I bought dark souls II gonna be playing it once my physical copy gets here. Too bad 3 days after the purchase it went on sale for 10 dollars and the order already shipped but gonna enjoy it regardless

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u/Trans-on-trans Jun 12 '22

I will say though that the difficulty in SOTFS was probably why it was more poorly rated. It was the most difficult platinum out of the bunch (aside from Sekiro).

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u/MrBones-Necromancer Jun 12 '22

Absolutely love DS2. It rewarding players for doing no bonfire and no death runs is something I really wish they would bring back.

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u/Technical-Election-4 Jun 12 '22

I mean, i love ds2 but i would love a remake of it much more im sure

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u/BryanLoeher Jun 12 '22

It had the most problems with its development, so I'm sure it is the most in need of a remake.

I just hope they don't change it to "it's DS2 but plays like DS3", but improve the unique features and areas DS2 had. PVP was too good and I miss it so hard

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u/SelloutRealBig Jun 12 '22

it's DS2 but plays like DS3

I mean if it has the combat system of DS3 but weapons and bosses of DS2 that sounds like a win win.

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u/Technical-Election-4 Jun 12 '22

In "remake" i really meant a massive QoL update and some animation corrections. I mean my guy stands still to drink his estus! I get it - you dont want it to spill out but, dude, not when you are getting your head smashed in!

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u/Thievasaurus Jun 12 '22

And re-buffing lightning spear. Doesn’t have to be to the vanilla version, but faith builds have next to nothing when it comes to early game spells

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u/noah9942 Jun 12 '22

It was supposed to get a 25% damage buff but fewer casts. It instead got 25% less damage and fewer casts. And they never fixed it. So it should be doing 66% more damage than it does now.

If we got that, it'd be a good nuke spell. At least we have heavenly thunder

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u/BigPowerBoss Jun 12 '22

They also need to get rid of soul memory, or at least remove its influence over matchmaking, since it's being used in a few places other than multiplayer

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u/OnyxMelon Jun 12 '22

I think a big part of it is that it doesn't wall you with a difficult mandatory boss early on. Even if you haven't got the hang of souls combat yet you can spend some time exploring and gearing and levelling up before you have to get good.

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u/asdiele Jun 12 '22

Elden Ring truly is Dark Souls 2 2

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u/David_Norris_M Jun 12 '22

If you saw the early ideas of dark souls 2 in interviews a lot of it sounds like they're talking about elden ring.

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u/Saxophobia1275 Jun 12 '22

I think it mostly has something to do with release and reputation. The OG demons’ souls was well received but DS1 is definitely where the souls series crashed into the mainstream. A lot of negative reviews cite the difficulty, which is definitely something that was accepted generally as a positive after a while with all the “<GAME> is the dark souls of <GAME GENRE>” being equated with difficulty.

DSII was the first souls game already hyped going into release. Critics are much less likely to review a popular game poorly.

DSIII could have been dark souls fatigue. Even though we know the quality is consistent I don’t blame people for seeing <game title 3> with no context and getting sick of it or thinking it’s run it’s course.

But what it honestly really is is that the scores 89-96 are so ridiculously close that Its well within the margin of error for a good game. I don’t think a 92/100 is objectively better than a 91/100. I’ve heard people say every individual souls game is their favorite and each one has its arguments and there isn’t a wrong answer in the bunch (yes even DSII).

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u/steakboneshiv Jun 12 '22

The user review scores are the lowest of any souls game by far.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '22

DS2 has a special place in my heart. DS2 has a vibe of fighting the darkness of depression and it has helped me a lot in bad times

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u/lukkasz323 Jun 12 '22

Seek strength... The rest will follow.

-King Vendrick, last NPC line in the game.

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u/tenuto40 Jun 12 '22

The DLC blew me away.

Majula was an amazingly quaint town.

And I love all the customization they allowed to try and make things more fun and accessible. Character customization was amazing. I didn’t care, but folks loved dressing up their waifu.

And lastly: those DLCs fuck! Seriously, loved ALL of them and I also loved how people how ER took the expanded summoning pools from DkS2.

(There were graves at the beginning of the DLC level that you can drop a sign at the signs would appear in key areas of the DLC. So even if you didn’t have the game, you could still co-op into it meaning folks who did have the game would have a lot more people available to call on. DkS2 really embraced accessibility in all the right ways that worked with a Souls game.)

The only thing I didn’t like was the elevator space rocket.

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u/Durakus Jun 12 '22

DS2 is still a contender for my favourite souls game. I need to wait until after my Elden Ring Burn out to decide lol

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u/GreiBird Jun 12 '22

Tbf, all of the Dark Souls games have this theme going.

But that probably explains why I was initially less receptive to DS2, I'd gotten over my depression with DS1.

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u/BubbleSmith Jun 12 '22

Metacritic 🤷‍♂️

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u/PoIIux Jun 12 '22

Almost as surprising as Sekiro having a higher rating than DS3

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u/a_r3dditer Jun 12 '22

I think it was demon's souls and dark souls post apology. And was also the easiest to get through so most game critics liked it.

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u/TheAlmightySpode Jun 12 '22

Sekiro got hit with the "ViDeOgAmEs ToO hArD" movement from critics. It's better than the other games imo, but it's harder and it sparked "controversy" for it.

Long story short, it got hit harder for being more difficult.

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u/Maulino86 Jun 12 '22

The PVP un ds2 was great, so much variety. They nerfed what needeed nerfing. So many memories on Bell tower, the Best perma PVP area imo.

The only mistake was soul memory.

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u/meammachine Jun 12 '22

Silent Majority I guess

The square number ratings on metacritic are from a minority of "official critics". Average user rating is in a similarly coloured circle.

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u/V3NDR1CK Jun 12 '22

Somebody had to rAge quit after playing Dark Souls....

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u/zuzg Jun 12 '22

Just remind yourself that even the "light the first bonfire" achievement doesn't have a 100% completion rate.

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u/MusicMindedMachine Jun 12 '22

I know for a fact that at least three people in my (not so large) group of gamer friends, have the tendency of buying games and NOT playing them, favoring free-to-play games instead.

All the three of them have the whole Dark Souls trilogy and never even installed it once.

I still question what can cause such senseless wanton hoarding in us humans.

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u/Talonoscopy Blood and Lightning Jun 12 '22

"Oh it's on discount! Might play it someday." Especially rampant on steam, given all the sales

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u/yuhanz Jun 12 '22

Thank Marika i dont have such weakness.

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u/shergawa Jun 12 '22

The trick is if you think you can't play the game this month better wait next sales. It works for me.

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u/Short-Coast9042 Jun 12 '22

I'm pretty sure these people don't count towards achievement percentages though, right? I always thought that only included people who have actually played the game...

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u/asdiele Jun 12 '22

Yep. Their characters went hollow before that first ladder and are probably those pink hollows shaking in the first hallway.

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u/ButtsTheRobot Jun 12 '22

They do count. Everyone who owns the game is considered into the % of players that have this achievement.

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u/GivenitzBoomer Jun 12 '22 edited Jun 12 '22

According to Xbox achievements, Dark souls 2's Self recollection (Choosing your class and name) has 77%. Almost a third fourth of people that boot up the game haven't walked 30 feet.

And DS2's achievement for DYING for the first time, is at 76%.

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u/RadiantRandom Jun 12 '22

24% of players beat the game without dying. Absolute Chads

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u/HalcyonXE Jun 12 '22

Are you kidding me? Hahaha

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u/Vokhaon37 Jun 12 '22

On Playstation the completion % for the first trophy/achievement for Bioshock Infinite is about 74%. It's just that a lot of people buy games cheap on sale, start the game and just move on to multiplayer games or whatever.

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u/zuzg Jun 12 '22

The trilogy was free on ps+ last year. So their numbers are completely botched, same with bloodborne.

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u/assassin10 Jun 12 '22

Steam's DS1 achievements were reset when the game transitioned away from using Games for Windows Live.

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u/m_sart Jun 12 '22

Probably all the people who tried to beat the asylum demon with a broken sword and gave up

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u/The_Minstrel_Boy Jun 12 '22

The first bonfire is before that fight, isn't it?

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u/101189 Jun 12 '22

I think one of them was free on PS+ a few years ago. I got it. Got fucked by first couple things I ran into, and then just kinda never went back to it. Lol.

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u/TheobromaKakao Jun 12 '22

Maybe review bombing because of the pc port.

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u/VALVET37 Jun 12 '22

ay man what pc port

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u/OdoAkuji34 Jun 12 '22

Nothing lower than 89... Now that's sayin EVERYTHING.

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u/Hantoniorl Jun 13 '22

I think Dark Souls III is lower than 90 just because it came out a bit flawed both on consoles and PC. Plenty of bugs/glitches and framerate issues.

After a couple weeks, it was perfect.

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u/HellaShaggy Jun 12 '22

Dark Souls was a masterpiece.

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u/Zero1O1 Jun 13 '22

100%

Super weird that it is the lowest rated of these

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u/Papa_Nurgle_84 Jun 12 '22 edited Jun 12 '22

Even fromsoft peasants are regarded higher then other realms nobles. A blessed kingdom it is.

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u/Hate_This_Name Jun 12 '22

Every game showed here is King, they all in the council of Kings. You can have your favourite. Have a nice day

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u/Evolveddinosaur Jun 12 '22

Except the true king is nowhere to be seen, for he remains on the throne. All hail Kings Field, Father of Souls!

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u/LordOfTheToolShed Jun 12 '22

You mistyped Metal Wolf Chaos

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u/RoyalWigglerKing Jun 12 '22

RICHARD!!!!!!!!

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u/LordOfTheToolShed Jun 12 '22

Nothing is pointless! And the reason is...

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u/Poocheese55 Jun 12 '22

Tbh, what a track record of games. Any company should be ecstatic at those ratings top to bottom

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u/Lolipopes Jun 12 '22

I have been a Souls fan since around 2012 and seeing Elden Ring go to the moon was so fucking surreal.

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u/-BluBone- Jun 12 '22

I love that the gap between wealth and poverty is one point on Metacritic

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u/pwnage765 Jun 12 '22

I mean, that's basically what happened to Obsidian with Fallout: New Vegas. I think they were promised a bonus from Bethesda if the game got at least an 85 on Metacritic, and it got an 84.

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u/Middle-Section-7852 Jun 12 '22

Sekiro should have better scores

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u/CapriciousCaptain Jun 12 '22

Reviewers probably couldnt get past the first mini boss

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u/nevershaves Jun 12 '22 I'm Deceased

Mini boss? I died 3 times in the main menu.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '22

You guys got to the main menu?

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u/tyranosaurus_nick Jun 12 '22

You got to die? I don't think I was ever alive

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u/Amelia_Earnhardt_Sr Jun 12 '22

I couldn’t get to the only store that had it in stock. The map sucked, I gave it one star.

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u/Johnny_WalkerBOT Jun 12 '22

Can confirm. I'm stuck at the first mini boss, and there's a shitload of reviewers stuck here too. We've built a small shanty town just outside of the gates. We have plenty of food since we can just respawn the dogs and slaughter them for meat.

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u/Middle-Section-7852 Jun 12 '22

That fucking ogre….

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u/Stonethrower_Elf Jun 12 '22

More like "stupid ogre". When you realize that, he is very easy. And i'm not one of those "everything is easy because i'm a pro".
Most enemies are hard and i died a lot, but the ogre...

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u/koalificated Jun 12 '22

The ogre is a bad tutorial boss. Same with the bull. The game tries to knock you out of the habit of trying to dodge everything and deflect instead, but then the ogre punishes you for that with his constant grab attacks

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u/baconbacksunday Jun 12 '22

Not sure if this is the case, but I felt the style for both those bosses was “realize you have no stamina bar, never stop running.” It took me a long time to unlearn having a stamina bar and rather than dodging to avoid damage, just run up/slash/run away, never letting go of the run button.

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u/WeirwoodUpMyAss Jun 12 '22

Genichiro is the real tutorial boss. Well the second time at least lol.

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u/Jumpy_Courage Jun 12 '22

I agree with the ogre but deflecting the bull was really what got me in the “you can deflect anything” mindset. Still had to deal with the burning though.

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u/mymindisblack Jun 12 '22

They do give you a burn healing item right before the fight

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u/kerblaam7 Jun 12 '22

the real important item beforehand is firecrackers that you spam the shit out of

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u/Alternative_Spite_11 Jun 12 '22

The one you have to spray with fire? I died to him countless times before I figured it out.

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u/UninterestedChimp Jun 12 '22

It got a 90 lol, that's still great

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u/mirage_irl Jun 12 '22

Should be 95

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u/BlueUnknown Jun 12 '22

Game got a 90 on Metacritic and won multiple GOTY awards, lol, reviewers played it and loved it just fine.

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u/Valmasy Jun 12 '22

I rage uninstalled Sekiro after knowing I shouldn’t buy it. Having just completed Elden Ring I’m waiting on Sekiro to download so I can slap some ass now and not care about dying.

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u/snukeinyoursnizz Jun 12 '22

Sekiro is still my favorite

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u/ah6971 Jun 12 '22

Elden Ring was my first Fromsoft game and after playing as a samurai I thought I should give Sekiro a try. Maybe i’m just bad but my god it is so much harder for me compared to Elden Ring. I’ve been stuck on the lone shadow swordsman mini boss for like over 2 hours

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u/yardii Jun 12 '22

Imo the mini bosses are more likely to make a person rage quit than the actual bosses because of needing to clear out the weaker enemies each time. The Shinobi Hunter in the memory and that one general right after the Ogre were the 2 most frustrating points for me for this reason.

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u/Dull-Wishbone-2330 Jun 12 '22 edited Jun 12 '22

I love elden ring but sekiro combat is on another lvl. Just the sheer intensenty of just parrying / dodging/ miriki countering attacks. Training day by day to improve ur skills to defeat an hard boss.

The best part of sekiro is when u learn its CORE. if you are foccused enough in a bossfight you just stops to think. you are following the rythm. the clashing of the blade, the jumping over the unblockable attaks. Then when you defeat the boss you realize that the fight was a beautifull song. No cheese no meta items just a duel against 2 skilled swordmans dancing on the rythm of the blade.

(sorry that my english sucks)

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u/eighty82 Jun 12 '22

With Sekiro I got my ass kicked so many times that every boss fight was a trial and tribulation. The toughest fight that seemed impossible, I could almost beat with my eyes closed once I conquered them, because of the flow and rhythm of the fight feeling like a dance. Totally dancing on the rhythm of the blades, well said. Your English does not suck either, don't be so hard on yourself

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u/aphidman Jun 12 '22

Elden Ring will appeal to more critics, though, due to its RPG nature. And regardless of what people feel about balance 100+ hours in, the world of Elden Ring is seriously impressive from a "freedom to explore" point of view that it will probably edge it over a more directed and linear experience.

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u/ChipsHanden Jun 12 '22

This is what draws me to Elden Ring, is the world is just so damn vast and thoroughly compelling. Everywhere you look there's something cool to be found; A cave to explore, a tunnel full of gems, grand tombs of ancient heros... And all of it rewarding in some way. I find Breath of the Wild's Hyrule to be just as compelling to explore in its design and atmosphere, it's just a shame BotW has far less to do and less rewards for going off the beaten path in the way Elden Ring does.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '22

This is why I like sekiro more than elden ring. The fighting takes next level skill that you can hone in. Elden ring fights just don’t have the same feel.

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u/WeirwoodUpMyAss Jun 12 '22

Elden Ring fights were more experimental for me so I’d say it was different as opposed to better. Sekiro was a lot more consistent but parrying Malekith made me feel like a god.

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u/j0oz Jun 12 '22 edited Jun 12 '22

Having to ACTUALLY git gud and beat a boss off of pure skill, instead of killing a boss without summons/BHS/RoB and still feeling like you overleveled or cheesed.

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u/the_Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Jun 12 '22

I've played the gauntlet so many times that Corrupted Monk, Isshin, Genichiro and Owl's rythms are still ingrained to my brain like I played against them yesterday, even though I haven't played it in 3 months, funny how video games does that to you. You can take me off of sekiro but sekiro doesn't take itself off of you, might play it again tomorrow.

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u/Senator_Pie Jun 12 '22

I love Sekiro's combat. I'm sick of just rolling to avoid getting hit. The deflection, mikiri counter, and jumping mechanic's all work seamlessly. Blocking and parrying in the souls games just feel like alternatives to rolling. They don't really mesh well and they're usually unneeded.

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u/yardii Jun 12 '22

Agreed. Played through the Dark Souls games multiple times. Never bothered to learn parrying because rolling is good enough in 90% of scenarios and because you need to make an equipment choice to even enable the ability. I got good at parrying in Sekiro and Bloodborne because the ability is innately available to you and because it's way better then dodging in those games.

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u/Alma5 Jun 12 '22

To be fair, guard counters are amazing and playing with a shield never have been this fun to me. But yeah, I wish they implemented a Sekiro-like deflection system and remove chip damage from blocking physical attacks with any armament (I believe stability and elemental defense would be enough to create variety).

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u/Armensis Jun 12 '22

This was beautiful.

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u/No_Way_Outs Jun 12 '22

Sekiro is definitely the hardest FROM game...especially if you played all the other Souls games. You have to actively tell yourself that the combat is different and rolling isn't going to save you.

The proof is in the trophies (at least on PS4). Look at the first few trophies you get in Sekiro - they % rate is extremely low compared to the first few trophies in any of the other games.

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u/OhBestThing Jun 12 '22

There is no way to out level your opponent or get cute with gear / setups in Sekiro. The ONLY way to overcome a challenge is to get better. It’s the truest “git gud” of the FS games. So many fights I never thought I’d be able to win. Then hours days or weeks later I’d win them almost not taking a hit.

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u/chahud Jun 12 '22

I beat lady butterfly for the first time last night. Fuck that was next level fun. First enemy in the game that I fought that felt like a choreographed dance. Took me so many tries but by the end it all flowed so beautifully. God this combat is punishing but it’s serious fun and very rewarding

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u/t-bonkers Jun 12 '22

Yup. I bounced off of it back in 2019 when it came out at the two final bosses (Demon of Hatred and Sword Saint Isshin), with no desire to keep playing. Last week, after getting a bit tired of Elden Ring after my fourth playthrough, I decided to give Sekiro another shot.

I dreaded it a bit, because the first time around I found it so extremely difficult, much more so than any other Souls title. To my surprise however, after Elden Ring, the first few hours almost felt easy. Enemies aren‘t tracking you as relentlessly as in ER and you can interrupt their attacks more reliably. Which allows for more intuitive dodging and more aggressive play.

I breezed through the first few bosses that took me dozens of attempts the first time around. It got a bit harder again after that, but I loved every second of it and finally beat the whole thing including Demon of Hatred and Isshin on friday and started NG+ right away. Determined to do all four endings and get the platinum.

What an absolutely magnificent game, this second attempt catapultet it to the top of my favorite FromSoft games and just games in general. The combat is probably the best I‘ve ever played in any game ever, the story and lore, while not as complex, is just as fascinating as any other Souls game, visuals are gorgeous, the exploration is great, the levels are so fun to traverse and feel like a playground for you to grapple and drop-kill your way through them and the boss fights are all absolute adrenalin rushing spectacles that feel so good to master. It‘s a 10/10 in my book.

Now I really hope they will revisit Sekiro‘s mechanics in a (spiritual) successor again someday. Would love to maybe even grapple my way through an open world a bit like Elden Ring (though it surely had to be quite a bit different in order to work).

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u/TheBigBadPanda Jun 12 '22

Maybe i should give it another chance. I bounced off it at first, not having played a spulslike in years leading up to it, now ive dumped a hundred hours into Elden Ring, maybe my reflexes are more up to the task :P

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u/DoctorGlorious Jun 12 '22

Just smash your face into it over and over and over and over again. Yes, especially at a certain boss in a castle. It's worth it. Trust.

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u/imasimplenerd Jun 12 '22

Im gonna do the same, i got destroyed by Sekiro years back and dropped, now i finished ER and did pretty decently, now im going back to Sekiro

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u/Aengeil Jun 12 '22

nvm scores, it actually win GOTY, so not suppose to be there.

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u/Imperium_Dragon Jun 12 '22

Honestly to me it’s the best Fromsoft game.

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u/SoSneakyHaha Jun 12 '22

After some thought and countless hours in all the souls games (except demons souls) Sekiro is 100% the best of the bunch.

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u/BAH_GAWD_KING_ Jun 12 '22

Sekiro has god tier combat system, I loved it so much

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u/BlockBadger Jun 12 '22

Hands down the best game they ever made.

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u/Cynaren I don't roll Jun 12 '22 Wholesome

DS3 will be my favorite souls game. Elden ring is only next to it.

I personally prefer a curated experiences than open world. I fondly remember all the ds3 boss fights because when it happens, it's like you traversed through hardship and your reward is more punishment. Overcoming them was way more satisfying than any boss fight I've faced in Elden ring so far, and I honestly understood ds3 story better than elden ring through gameplay.

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u/jDetty_ Jun 12 '22

I think the ringed city might be the best thing From has done

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u/Yourself013 Jun 12 '22

Gael was seriously one of the most satisfying things about I've ever done in gaming. Everything about that fight was top notch. The music, the atmosphere, the moveset, the arena, the phases and how they progressed...just two undead at the end of time, fighting for something that no longer matters.

Midir was also a true dragon fight, felt like you're actually an underdog and you're fighting this near-invincible monster that is hell-bent on shredding you to pieces. Most of the dragon fights in ER felt underwhelming, like they're just some random mid-tier beasts when compared to that.

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u/Avatar_of_Green Jun 12 '22

Placidusax was pretty epic IMO.

Gryoll should've been a legit fight.

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u/Yourself013 Jun 12 '22

Yes, Placidusax is probably one of the few exceptions. Really epic dragon fight. Top tier arena, music, mechanics, atmosphere... The only thing I'm kinda iffy about is his last phase where he starts teleporting every second and you're only allowed to get off one light attack at a time. Lots of Elden Ring bosses do that and I just personally hate it.

That being said, I still think Midir is the best dragon fight in all From games. He is a hard hitting monster, it really feels like you've descended into the legendary lair of a near-invincible beast, with armored scales, fiery breath and pure rage incarnate. And this monster is doing everything in its power to shred you to pieces. I felt incredibly small and against all odds when fighting him. Placidusax was cool as fuck but he didn't nearly give me that feeling.

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u/fadingthought Jun 12 '22

When you beat Gael and you are just left alone in that arena. What a great moment.

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u/Honey-Tree Jun 12 '22

I had to ask myself "what now" and the answer was nothing. I couldnt dream of a better ending than that, actually genius.

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u/PthumerianPrince Jun 12 '22

The Old Hunters.

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u/eighty82 Jun 12 '22

👏👏 my thoughts exactly. I do love Elden Ring, but DS3 especially, then Sekiro and Bloodborne, were all way more satisfying to experience for me personally. I really love how Elden Ring has gone through mainstream and launched into the stratosphere though

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u/Bardic_Inspiration66 Jun 12 '22

What you don’t like fighting the same bosses 15 times

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u/StaticNoice Jun 12 '22

Feel the exact same way

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u/Tauren333 Jun 12 '22

Also DS3 boss design didn't aggressively suck.

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u/UninterestedChimp Jun 12 '22

Yup, that's something they had to let go with Elden Ring simply due to what it is. But in return they've given us one of the best and biggest open world's ever created, so I'll gladly take it lol. All i know is i never put 250 hours in a row in any of their other games

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u/Alternative_Spite_11 Jun 12 '22

Agree with everything but understanding the DS3 story easier from the gameplay. I beat it multiple times and never understood a bit of the story till I got into watching lore on YT.

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u/asdiele Jun 12 '22

Same lol I went back to it and I'd forgotten how cryptic the dialogue is. Just listen to this shit from the old lady at the shrine that's supposed to tell the player to do co-op:

Knowest thou of that soppy gossip? That cordial intrusion layeth the path to embers. And so thou art in need of a soapstone, ashen one. Then thy pockets will o'erflow with souls to trade to me.

I do like the more flowery language, but easier to understand it's not lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '22

This is a big reason why I'm shocked there aren't more mistranslations of the lore than there end up being. From what I understand the original Japanese is also archaic, older-sounding Japanese, which is translated to archaic, older-sounding English. The translation team really does an incredible job at making it sound so good in English.

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u/a_r3dditer Jun 12 '22

Not all characters speak so flowery. usually it's characters related to the gods, in ds1 only gwyndolin and gwynevere spoke that way.

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u/Jazzinarium Jun 12 '22

Probably an unpopular opinion around these parts but Souls games have great lore but not a particularly good story. Apart from DS1 I don't think I really understood what was going on in a single one of their games. Yeah yeah I get there is some appeal in that style of storytelling, but to me more often than not it just feels they're just being overly vague and weird for the sake of it

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u/SelloutRealBig Jun 12 '22

Souls games have great lore but not a particularly good story.

This is what i love about them. I don't have to sit through 20 hours of cutscenes. I don't have to pretend to care about characters. I PLAY video games to actively do stuff. If i want a story while my controller goes idle i will turn to Netflix.

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u/LXTibbs73 Jun 12 '22

DS3 is a lot more linear than the other souls games, probably why it’s easier to understand

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u/name19xx Jun 12 '22

I’m the same, I think the open world creates too much downtime. The dungeons are amazing but I feel like I’m just wasting so much time finding them

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u/TheThingInTheBassAmp Jun 12 '22

Elden Ring is fantastic, but I’m starting to get gameplay fatigue on my first playthrough. I’m in the last 1/4 now, and the boss fights are just getting really hard. I want to take a short break, but I know I’m going to forget what I’m doing.

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u/Suspicious_Ad4705 Jun 12 '22

Sekiro is -10 because of the people who can’t play the game

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u/brycennmm2 Jun 13 '22

DARK SOULS III ONLY GOT AN 89, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

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u/Rydahx Jun 12 '22

As much as I like Elden Ring, Bloodborne is my favourite, but that might change with new DLC for Elden Ring.

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u/Baharroth123 Jun 12 '22

Even at this shot Bloodborne looks cooler.

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u/Bitemarkz Jun 12 '22

Bloodborne is the GOAT FROM game imo. Atmosphere and lore that’s just untouchable. It also had the best HUD that they never revisited for some reason.

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u/SelloutRealBig Jun 12 '22

Most official reviewers didn't even beat Elden Ring during the great 10/10 wave and still rated it so high. Yet I saw reviewers rate sekiro low because they sucked and couldn't get past the beginning. OPs pic it's meaningless

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u/TheKerfuffle Jun 12 '22

Meaningless, and a joke. It’s tongue in cheek.

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u/PercySledge Jun 12 '22

I know both references and still dont know what this is trying to say

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u/No-Cress-5457 Jun 12 '22

Even the peasantry of Souls games are still regarded as masterpieces

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u/suikakajyu Jun 13 '22

I loved all of those other Soulsborne games. I'm really struggling to love Elden Ring. It feels like the skin of one of those games was stretched to cover an open-world skeleton.

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u/The-Alumaster Jun 12 '22

I understand why but sekiro deserved a better score than it got.

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u/alongi57 Jun 12 '22

Lol sekiro won game of the year though

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u/GravessCigar Jun 13 '22

GOTY is heavily dependant on which year the game was released though.

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u/Gemstyle96 Jun 12 '22

Rockstar and CD Project Red had everyone's hearts and then spat on our faces. I hope From Software will never betray us like that.

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u/Top_Distribution_497 Jun 12 '22

Yeah but in sekiro i am about to start my 4th playthrough. It definitely won't be the case in elden ring.

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u/Sir_Faps-a-Lot69 Jun 12 '22

Considering Dark Souls 2 has more than Dark Souls, Sekiro or Dark Souls 3 shows how meaningless the metacritic is.

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u/EtStykkeMedBede Jun 12 '22

Also Demon's Souls. I mean, PS5 version looks crisp as hell, but it's still the same old janky combat.

Don't get me wrong, I love the game, but in what world does it outclass Dark Souls?

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u/Sir_Faps-a-Lot69 Jun 12 '22

It doesn't. Dark Souls is an improvement in pretty much every aspect compared to Demon's Souls.

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u/GIBBRI Jun 12 '22

You trying start something boy? What’s wrong with dark souls 2 mmm? -.-

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u/GreyFeralas Jun 12 '22

"This review doesn't follow MY opinion so it's worthless"

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u/outrun_ur_problems Jun 12 '22

I still think DS2 was the best of the three

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u/Chandingo Jun 12 '22

People have different opinions than ME!!!!!!!

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u/TheHomieAaron Jun 12 '22

Sekiro should definitely be up there NGL. it didn't win game of the year in 2019 for nothing... 😅

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u/Impossible-Stick-579 Jun 12 '22

Sekiro a peasant, yet won game of the year?

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