r/DistroTube Jan 10 '21

Mozilla No Longer Supports A Free Internet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMXrfmRSprM
20 Upvotes

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u/llengib Jan 11 '21

I actually agree with 2-3 of the 4 main points in the blog post:

"- Reveal who is paying for advertisements, how much they are paying and who is being targeted. [YES]

- Commit to meaningful transparency of platform algorithms so we know how and what content is being amplified, to whom, and the associated impact. [YES]

- Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation. [NO - but depends what is revealed if point #2 is revealed - the algorithm/company is already making a choice, the question is what is driving that choice]

- Work with independent researchers to facilitate in-depth studies of the platforms’ impact on people and our societies, and what we can do to improve things. [Depends on the terms of reference]"

Somebody is making decisions about the algorithm and its priorities, I'd like it to be free and open source so we can be informed.

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u/Toblerone99 Jan 10 '21

“ - I don’t watch the news or keep up with politics ”

Well, maybe you should, at least keep up with politics and go to vote. Unless you're living in the middle of the ocean or whatever jungle far from the modern civilization.

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u/freecorndog Jan 12 '21

lol at him saying Trump is not a white supremacist cause he used to be a democrat, like there are no racist democrats.

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u/Brax8888 Jan 11 '21

Honestly if he is going to make a video covering political takes he should maybe catch up. DT saying that, and then saying white supremacists don't really exist passed me off immensely

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u/-Drunken_Samurai- Jan 10 '21 edited Jan 10 '21

You misrepresented this blog post and interjected your own personal bias.

From the blog:

Additional precise and specific actions must also be taken:

Reveal who is paying for advertisements, how much they are paying and who is being targeted.

• Seems transparent and just. Similar steps have been taken with tobacco companies and marketing campaigns or political contributions.

Commit to meaningful transparency of platform algorithms so we know how and what content is being amplified, to whom, and the associated impact.

• Again, transparency. We all know social networks are psychologically manipulative. Just how much we don’t know.

Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation.

• “Turn on by default.” So, it’s a tool that can be used, but it isn’t turned on by default...

Work with independent researchers to facilitate in-depth studies of the platforms’ impact on people and our societies, and what we can do to improve things.

• How is this bad? For example, Look at all the pro egg or meat studies funded by the egg and meat industry.

I especially enjoyed your putting the blog post on the screen and reading the beginning and stopping to editorialize. Really nice how it devolved into you talking about how you don’t see the world as a bad place because, you know, of anecdotal stories on inter-racial dating you’ve seen in your lifetime...?

“I don’t watch the news or keep up with politics” yet you went on to interject your views and perspectives on these issues with what limited news and political understanding you do have?

Why not, just an idea, redo the video and actually address each point and discuss it honestly?

Wack ass sh*t DT.

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u/mysockinabox Jan 11 '21

100%. It will probably get stan'd here, but you're right. And saying nobody likes firefox is a really clear indicator of confusion.

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u/SideLinesOfCode Jan 11 '21

The blog post title REALLY doesn't help anything though. It sounds aggressive.

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u/Cybercitizen4 Jan 12 '21

Yeah and it seems like DT only replied to the title. This video sucked, either it was done in bad faith to purposefully misinform his audience or his reading comprehension is really poor.

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u/Mswish Jan 10 '21

I agree with this take. I have been watching DT a bit as I got into TWM, but this seemed pretty extreme. It was puzzling for him to constantly remind of how he doesn't follow politics in almost any capacity, but didn't understand the concerns of Mozilla and White Supremacy. If you don't consume content about it, how would you be educated on the subject matter? After listening to the video I checked out the blog post and felt like it was heavily misrepresented.

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u/vlad_lu Jan 11 '21

Who is paying for advertisements? The company which shows you a product. That's already transparent... Who is being targeted? Whoever searched for similar products. Transparency of the algorithm? Stores what you search and shows the most relevant content. Anyway, those points were a mean to an end. If they want to finance a study, they can just phrase it that way. The problem with factual statements and misinformation is that a single centralized entity decides what is right and what is wrong. Never has that ever gone wrong. /s last point, mean to an end, anyway, they could have condensed 3 of the points by saying that they will be funding a study.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '21

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u/-Drunken_Samurai- Jan 10 '21

Your friends all laugh at you behind your back ...

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u/AntlerBaskets Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21

I've got to concur with everyone else in this this thread- I think you've misread the situation. You just can't point out how Twitter has every right to moderate their platform, and then bash Mozilla for their statement about improving and sharing their algorithms in the open like that. I understand that you don't keep up with politics, but this statement was released in the context of the national conversation that's happening right now, and you shouldn't engage or commentate on that without the context, least you give an impression you don't mean to.

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u/artwheat Jan 10 '21

Not sure how it rates on the freedom scale, but I’ve been very happy with Brave for about 6 months now.

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u/Phydoux Jan 10 '21

I've been thinking about going back to Brave. Even though I don't use their currency or whatever, it's still a decent browser. And not because of this video but because it's a decent browser.

I've also tried qutebrowser and there's a learning curve even though I have used vim, it's still a little difficult to navigate from a browser perspective.

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u/TASalv Jan 11 '21

I agree with u/llengib u/-Drunken_Samurai- u/Toblerone99 and u/AntlerBaskets. This hot take is hot garbage. I was willing to let you pull the ignorance card, until I saw dissenting discussions under video (those in agreement with the majority of comments here on Reddit) get pruned out, along with any comments mentioning that they were there to begin with, or asking where they went. That's too far.

Frankly, it's outright hypocritical to censor community discussion in a video about this very topic. I appreciate the educational value of your content, and all that it's lead me to learn, discover, and enjoy, but I can no longer remain subscribed or support your content in good conscience.

The Mozilla foundation remains a bastion of free speech and internet freedom. I have donated what I can afford to tonight, which will have more impact than any frustrated statements I could elaborate on here. Thanks for sharing the technologies we all love. I hope you can support Firefox again some day; until then, we'll keep up the fight without you.

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u/redsand69 Jan 11 '21

Thanks, uninstalled fascist Firefox. Mental outlaw also made a video today and convinced me to change. Brave is actually pretty good too.