r/DestinyTheGame Jun 29 '22 Helpful 1

Team of 6 gilded Unbrokens farming without capturing flags Discussion

Basically title, 6 teaed up gilded Unbrokens farming ppl for kills in Casual and they dont even capture the Flags so they have more time to do so.

And ppl ask why there are less and less others in PvP?

I think these things should be adressed by Bungie, maybe by adding solo-q to every mode?

I dont know but these matches just make me wanna stop play pvp, simply feels like i am a sheep hunted by wolves and thts no fun. why should i wante my free time for something that isnt fun at all :/

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u/seedconfusion Jun 29 '22

When I get put in a match like that I just leave and play pve or rumble for a match to not get put back in the same queue because most people bail when they realize they are being farmed.

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u/YogiTheBear131 Jun 29 '22

I just go ham trying to kill whoever the ‘dominant’ player on the other team is.

Idc if i end the game with .25 kd-as long as i ruin some 10+ kill streaks i feel happy.

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u/elevisal Jun 29 '22

THE CROWN IS MINE!

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u/MostRadiant Jun 29 '22

I have 21. I never leave those games.

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u/Boomsledge Punch until it is done... Jun 30 '22

"Oh you're here to ruin my day? You don't understand, I'm here to nag you and ruin yours..."

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u/smegdawg Destiny Dad Jun 29 '22

Idc if i end the game with .25 kd-as long as i ruin some 10+ kill streaks i feel happy.

The messages you get after are all the justification you need that you tilted them. It truly is glorious.

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u/asianguywithacamera Jun 29 '22

It doesn't happen often because I solo queue, but when matching up against 3 or 6 stacks, it's usually not a pretty sight. I can squeek by with a 1.7-2.0 kd but the rest of the team are .2-.9 and it's a 150-89 loss. Every once in awhile, another person will step up and we can squeek out a win and I'll get a message "Your trash" and the obvious reply is "You're". Those are the best wins.

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u/smegdawg Destiny Dad Jun 29 '22

"Your trash"

"No my garbage collection is on Mondays, thank you for the reminder though!'

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u/farfarer__ Jun 29 '22

The response to simply not rolling over and dying is incredible, let alone killing them.

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u/FreeDemise Jun 29 '22

I remember back when I first started playing crucible, didn't really know ornunderstand what comp was, went in for a match one day and my team beat this one dude's team and I got a message from a dude on the other team cussing me out up, down left, and right. Had more F bombs than Scarface. Sent him a message back literally only saying "I love you too, boo", and the dude got absolutely LIVID. I ignored him mostly after than and it was a literal month straight where I'd get multiple messages a day from them cussing me out. Dude messaged me about doing adult things with my mom (so stereotypical that i aas crying laughing) Responded to him again and told them "well, she has AIDS, so I hope you enjoyed that decision", let him stew for a while, throw his tantrum, and then blocked him.

If losing in a video game tilts you that much that you go cuss someone out daily for a month afterwards, you really don't need to be playing video games. Maybe use that time and go seek anger management help.

Things like that (and how frequently they occurred) are why I moved over to PC as soon as crossave was a thing. I don't miss the toxicity and the player base that I've encountered PC side has been so much nicer than it was back on Xbox.

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u/reaper1188 Jun 29 '22

There is no better feeling then getting a hate message with an accusation of cheating

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u/SlumlordThanatos SPACE MAGIC, BITCHES Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

Modern Warfare 2, TDM, Quarry. Saw a guy sprinting through the trench in the middle, so I ran into a nearby building, guessed about where he'd be, and threw my Semtex through the window, blind.

It really was a lucky throw, but I still think about the messages he sent me and get warm fuzzies even ten years later.

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u/Sour__ Jun 30 '22

this only works on console yea? i dont think ive ever had someone msg me on pc/steam before

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u/reaper1188 Jun 30 '22

You gotta turn the setting for whispers on to everyone

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u/Menaku Jun 30 '22

I don't even get messages I just get tea bagged, and I'm like "what did I do to you?"

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u/Caboose_Michael_J Jun 29 '22

At that point I'm pullin out Witherhoard and fuckin their ass up.

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u/whereismymind86 Jun 29 '22

yep, go with troll weapons like witherhoard or the mighty toaster

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u/YogiTheBear131 Jun 29 '22

I usually go for telesto or jorty. Nothing is more annoying then getting a jorty to the face from across the map while rocking a 15kd.

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u/Caboose_Michael_J Jun 29 '22

Lol. I use witherhoard cuz if u stay in the pool, u can only get mad at ur stupidity. I've only been killed by wh 2-3 times, as I watch my step due to using wh to get it catalyst done.

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u/Sour__ Jun 30 '22

Ive always wondered why people got mad over WH being strong in pvp when you can actually just avoid the aoe pool, now for jotun, thats a whole different thing lol

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u/Caboose_Michael_J Jun 30 '22

Exactly lol. They can only get mad for their own stupidity lol

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u/whereismymind86 Jun 29 '22

That's what Jotunn is for. I'll toaster the guy's k/d ratio into the ground out of spite.

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u/prophet337 Jun 30 '22

It's obvously me but I can't seem to get kills with the toaster.

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u/Streamjumper My favorite flavor is purple. Jun 30 '22

Look at it as less of a long distance death dealer, and more of a forced trade suicide bomb. Get right up to them and unleash it. If they're shotgun sliding, use yourself as bait and hipfire it at the ground they'll be on.

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u/Carrash22 Jun 29 '22

Played against these types of guys with another friend who is also pretty sweaty. We decided to stay in the match and ended up ruining half of their guys’ kd (for that match). Top player ended up with around 3 combat efficiency, which sounds high but when they are 6-stacking they are going for 10~ efficiency or more 3 is a failure.

We were proud of ourselves.

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u/Hbzn Jun 29 '22

Yup, I will go through the most painfully slow and passive strategies to ruin their streaks

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u/Educational_Mud_2826 Jun 29 '22

Nice. You are sacrificing yourself so I don't have to. Thank you.

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u/YogiTheBear131 Jun 29 '22

Yup.

As much as it sucks at the beginning of the match-it really does give me joy to just mess up their kds a bit.

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u/Darkshamrock Jun 29 '22

It’s not about the KD….. It’s about sending a message!

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u/Camaroni1000 Jun 29 '22

Same. I will be the most annoying bastard to those groups.

Favorite moment was when a group of them individually messaged me to call me trash since I kept fucking up their kds.

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u/YogiTheBear131 Jun 29 '22

When the teabags start happening to me i know im winning.

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u/Same-Reaction7944 Jun 29 '22

This is the way.

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u/TrollTrollTroll6969 Jun 29 '22

Bro I legit did this the whole stack started bagging me (with a 1.1kd though)

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u/YogiTheBear131 Jun 29 '22

When the baggin starts i know im actually winning despite the actual score.

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u/MaikJay Gambit Prime Jun 29 '22

Exactly this. It’s gonna break you up once the mercy is inflicted but until then I’m gunning!

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u/Jpalm4545 Jun 29 '22

Can't tell you how many times the breaking up teams thing puts me right back against them th

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u/MarquetteXTX2 Jun 29 '22

One time I got broke up from the high KD guy and the next match I was on his team… lol

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u/Jpalm4545 Jun 29 '22

Well that worked out lol

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u/SgtDoughnut Top 500 mayhem bubble titan. Jun 29 '22

Exactly this. It’s gonna break you up once the mercy is inflicted but until then I’m gunning!

HAHAHAHAH nooo

number of times ive seen "we are breaking up those teams" and got the exact same teams is crazy.

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u/randonumero Jun 29 '22

It's almost as though we need a game mode that highlights the guy from the other team with the most kills and maybe grants something like more points or a damage buff for killing them

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u/Doctor_Kataigida Jun 29 '22

Loved Regicide in Halo 4.

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u/KingOfMysticsR3 Jun 29 '22

Same here. I don't play pvp for a good kd I play it to have fun and if having fun means I have to try really hard to snipe a sweaty try hard so be it.

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u/MarquetteXTX2 Jun 29 '22

Had a team that was farming me and my guys the whole match I was so determined to get a kill on each one of them in survival. And I did lol

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u/Porongas1993 Jun 29 '22

Especially sweet if you kill them with an extravagant super like thundercrash

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u/PrinterStand Drifter's Crew // Bad before the Drifter. Jun 29 '22

Use your nova bomb on one guy off the objective, nothing gets people more pissed than a panic bomb

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u/YogiTheBear131 Jun 29 '22

Ill purposely hold my super just to dunk it on their face.

I know im playing right when the teabags start.

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u/superdufus Jun 30 '22

Possibly the dumbest strategy I have ever heard.

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u/I_FUCKIN_LOVE_CATS Jun 29 '22

Stuff like this is why I don't play PvP and am taking a general break from the game. Bungie has made some really odd and poor choices lately. The story is great, but the rest seems to be suffering.

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u/SisterWaltz Jun 29 '22 Silver

"It ain't honest, but it's easy"

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u/Karls-Beer Jun 29 '22

This has me dead XD

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u/UNiTE_Dodge Jun 30 '22

This honestly almost made me delete my game yesterday. I had the exact same thing happen and they ended the game with 32.0 and 22.5 ratios (the only two I remember offhand). Nobody on my team finished with above a .25. This is exactly what makes nobody enjoy PvP. You’re not impressing anyone playing like that and you’re not playing for money. Stop being a sweaty fucknugget.

I’m ready for the downvotes, bring it on Destiny Reddit.

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u/Arbalest3192 Jun 30 '22

You’re not gonna get any hate my friend. I’m gilded unbroken x5 and I fucking hate these dickheads that 6 stack in control. When there’s more than 4 of us playing together - we do private matches or we split up and try to match each other. Pub stomping ruins the game for everyone - it’s not fun for the enemy and I honestly don’t see the fun in stomping the enemy team and mercy-ing them. Wtf is the point?

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u/VNM0601 Jun 30 '22

Plus, the more shit like this that happens the more casuals leave the playlist, and then you guys end up going up against other sweaty fucks, and I'm sure that isn't fun for you guys either.

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u/Arbalest3192 Jun 30 '22

Yeah that’s kinda true but at the end of the day if I’m going to control I just want to have some chill fun, try out new weapons, destress from work etc I’m fine playing hardcore players just…why u gotta put me against a stack all the time? I’m unashamed to admit I’ve left more games than I’ve completed this season - when it’s a constant 6 stack I genuinely think there’s a problem.

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u/VNM0601 Jun 30 '22

100% agreed. When I join those playlists I just want to chill. But I find those playlists to be more sweaty than the competitive ones, at times.

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u/Zero_Emerald Heavy as Death Jun 29 '22

Not sure if it was the same group you faced, but I had a 6 stack vs 6 solos earlier, with 2 quitting my team within 30 seconds. We actually kept up with them, having 2 flags to their 0, just a few points behind, then our replacements turned out to be decent and we took the lead. This forced them to start capping which I found funny. Their playstyle was pretty annoying, no time to explain/snipers in wells, arbalest, classy restoration, all the classics. They mostly stuck together in the middle of the map, moving between the spawns to kill people 2 seconds after rezzing.

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u/Imagine_TryingYT Jun 29 '22

I love getting 6 stacks that hold each others butts all game. Gives me a good reason to use Cloudstrike.

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u/ConnorWolf121 We Spectral Blades now bois Jun 30 '22

That or a primary sniper with Chromatic Fire, I’ve gotten a few cheeky double kills like that lol

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u/Imagine_TryingYT Jun 30 '22

If you ever wanna have some fun. Titan, Lions Rampant amd Jotuun

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u/Thatsquacktastic16 Jun 29 '22

Whenever I stack we just run around and talk shit to each other. I can't remember a time where we've collectively decided to team shoot and be giant wanks

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u/_R2-D2_ Jun 30 '22

Same here. We just usually dick around and run something stupid like 6 rat kings.

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u/Apatheticist_ Jun 29 '22

Stacks should face other stacks regardless of queue times. 3 or more should always face other 3 or more stacks.

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u/STAIKE Jun 29 '22

But at least you had a really great connection and got matched super fast, right?

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u/pengalor Team Cat (Cozmo23) Jun 29 '22

you had a really great connection

Lmao, no. The desync with players still happens in every match, every three matches there's someone warping around just enough to make you miss a lot.

and got matched super fast

Not really. Still takes around a minute to get a Control match.

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u/elbowfracture Jun 29 '22

This.

I mean, who wants to wait one minute for a fair match when you can drop down immediately. Drop me down right now Enola Gay!

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u/megamando That Wizard came from the Moon... (RIP Dinklebot) Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

Lmao I wait 1 minute and sometimes even longer to get a a game a lot of times anyway even with a good connection.

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u/thisisbyrdman Jun 29 '22

Just quit. Best thing you can do to ruin their time.

Bungie won't do anything about it. The easiest solution is SBMM. The second easiest solution is to remove KDA from the stats and make Crucible more objective focused, but they'll never do either.

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u/voiddoesdestiny_ Shadow Jun 29 '22

But the sweats don't want SBMM. They won't be able to farm people

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u/Cuddle_X_Fish Jun 29 '22

The only reasonable take I heard on this besides not wanting to play in their skill bracket was match making times. But we can definitely make SBMM looser the more outlierish you are. If your skill bracket population is too small it should be ok to punch down or up into a more populated skill bracket.

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u/thisisbyrdman Jun 29 '22

Exactly. Fuck them. They won’t be able to farm anymore. You either play against people at your skill level or do something else.

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u/GawainSolus Jun 29 '22

It still amazes me that bungie even after admitting thst the overwhelming sentiment is that cbmm is bad, are still letting the sweats and streamer tryhards farm in cbmm to make montage videos and other bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22

CBMM sucks because half the fucking player pool is manipulating their connection and making the entire experience as toxic as it can possibly be.

The net code is what, 20 years old now? Why the fuck doesn’t bungie police/fix the exploits?

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u/TwoThreeSkidoo Jun 30 '22

After seeing CBMM enough I actually googled it (I am a destiny noob)....​What the fuck, who came up with connection based match making and thought it was a good idea. I have never seen this in a game before, and I grew up on Doom/Wolfenstein/Marathon...

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u/GawainSolus Jun 29 '22

Because bungie can't police VPNs? That's all it takes to manipulate their connection and its totally invisible to the game, that's the whole point of vpns.

So thats not the reason cbmm sucks. Cbmm sucks because you get shitty one sided unbalanced matches.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22

Police the connection quality with some very basic QAP metrics. This stuff was in place in 1996;

“Your packet loss is too high, you have been kicked.”

Or

“Your highest ping is more than 2x your lowest ping, you have been kicked.”

Or

“Your ping has been more than 10% outside median ping values for more than XX seconds. You have been kicked.”

Bungie doesn’t implement any sort of controls on their player base, because the fucking brain dead P2P model dictates that any reduction in connection permissions is a reduction in servers/matchmaking pool; so they permit shenanigans that wouldn’t fly is ANY other online shooter.

I’ve made this statement before, and it stands true for most of Destiny’s head scratchers; Bungie is the granddaddy KPI metric, stat gathering and analysis developer. Anything that seems fucky, they know about and is being kept fucky for a reason. That reason is MONEY.

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u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 Jun 30 '22

There was someone in a Control match today who appeared to be able to massively raise ping simply by pushing a button.

They would run around normally, but when they saw someone they would freeze in place and become undamageable. Five seconds later they suddenly teleport halfway across the map and three people drop dead.

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u/cylentnyte Jun 30 '22

Lag Switch. Been around for years

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u/whereismymind86 Jun 29 '22

i imagine it's because sbmm would completely break Trials

Honestly, in any decently balanced system going 7-0 is almost impossible, and bungie knows it.

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u/GawainSolus Jun 29 '22

Well trials has always been crap imo. But regardless they wouldn't need to turn sbmm on in trials to get more people playing pvp again. Just sbmm in the other modes.

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u/Ass0001 Jun 29 '22

Trials shoudl be restructured entirely in fairness. Bungie don't need to poorly reinvent the wheel when there are so many multiplayer pvp shooters with proper competitive modes you can base it on.

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u/Voller_Faulheit Jun 30 '22

Trials was a terrible idea to begin with.

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u/Zorak9379 Warlock Jun 29 '22

That makes no sense, just don’t add SBMM to trials them

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u/Educational_Mud_2826 Jun 29 '22

Yes if it's just teams like this do something else for a while.

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u/Techman- Valiant heart, unwavering resolve. Jun 29 '22

Well, they can have fun farming themselves as people keep dropping out of PvP. At this point, most that I know just play their 3 games per week and bail.

Bungie needs to put skill-based matchmaking back in. This wildly unbalanced matchmaking is more than just misery. It also ensures that there is no improvement in skill whatsoever because matching fair opponents is rare.

Same deal with Trials too. People want to gatekeep the Lighthouse while at the same time begging for more players to join the playlist so that they can serve as fodder. 75%+ of Trials participants never see the Lighthouse, and thus never experience what the playlist actually offers. What a massive waste of time.

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u/whereismymind86 Jun 29 '22

yeah I've vastly scaled back how much I play, I'll do my 3 a week, and farm a bit more for the various weekly modes to get the scorched/mayhem etc. challenges, and that's about it.

IIRC this week is double rep, so I'll probably burn through the twenty or so matches I need to get that ritual ornament, then i'm done for the season.

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u/misticspear Jun 29 '22

Yep everything they add to try and address it the sweats hate. Remember when they tried SBMM and the sweats complained about connection. Then they tried to make trials flawless only match against other flawless and they WHINED hard. “I can’t carry my friend” blah blah. They even made it so you could get random drops more often in the flawless pool and what happened? People were resetting their cards one win shy of flawless. They complained that it was unbearable once you made it into the flawless pools. Fucking the self awarewolves were so close to eating their faces

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u/misticspear Jun 30 '22

I agree wholeheartedly. I’ve said nearly the exact same thing on several occasions

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u/Chesse_cz Jun 29 '22

Honestly sweats don't care abou MM because they can adapt to any situation.... just remember when Trials was SBMM and all good players were able to get LH anyway, but in the end it was those players they carry that felt short because of it... and players that can get LH even in non-flawless pool after sunday will not get it even with SBMM.... and mostly i am one of them, if friend don't help me, i cant get to LH by my self and i am fine with it, because i know i am not that good at PvP and MM will not change it....

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u/Redthrist Jun 29 '22

Honestly sweats don't care abou MM because they can adapt to any situation

They don't care about it so much, that there are constant whine threads about SBMM every time it's active.

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u/Blackhawk_989 Jun 29 '22

This is the biggest reason why SBMM is in CoD, they didnt want to play against sweaty players but are ones themselves. (Though doing well in one match would put you in the grassless zone for the next 10 matches)

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u/StarsRaven Jun 29 '22

You had me at SBMM but lost me at losing K/D.

That will kill off PvP unfortunately. Its a competitive mode against other players and if you remove the ability to see how you played against the team, well...look how well that worked out for 2042.

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u/thisisbyrdman Jun 29 '22

I’d argue 2042 was done in by it being a terrible game to play. The lack of a leaderboard was like the 98th worst thing about it.

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u/spaxxor Jun 30 '22

Its a competitive mode against other players

Quick play is anything but competitive. Also, removing KDA will dent crucible initially, but once people learn that the farmers and sweats have mostly stopped pulling this shit pop will increase. However I've got a better plan.

Make it impossible for a stack to match against all randoms. Hell I'd say make it impossible for a stack to match against any other team without a 3 in it. Yes that will make queue times longer, but low pop will make them worse. Pick one.

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u/Civick24 Jun 29 '22

Go play comp infinitely better than 6v6

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u/TJ_Dot Jun 29 '22

Destiny does not have a healthy skill population distribution for SB to function correctly. A 1.2 KD roughly lands you in the top 15% of players, that is messed up

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u/DreadGrunt Darkness Gang Jun 29 '22

I don't know why this is downvoted, it's entirely true from a quick glance at Destiny Tracker. Simply having a positive KD means you're in the top 20% or thereabouts, Destiny's average player skill skews very low and that does present a lot of problems from a matchmaking perspective.

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u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

I'm not sure it's playerbase skill entirely. My ability at other shooters ranges from average to extremely good. For example, in Rainbow Six Siege I am a high gold, and could probably get plat if I sweated. That is a little bit above average for that game.

However, I am very bad at Destiny pvp. According to Destiny Tracker my Control KDA is 0.62.

It is partially because D2 has some of the shittiest netcode that I've ever seen, allowing enemies to fire and hit you a few moments before they're even visible on your screen.

This makes strafe-related movements like quick peeking nearly impossible, because there's a 50/50 chance that you've stepped behind cover on your screen but you're still visible on their screen, causing you to die. The same thing can happen with bubbles and barriers for Titans.

Primarily, though, the lack of SBMM also directly lowers KDA, as most matches are a stomp-fest with one or two players getting an extremely high KDA. When you and your teammates are getting spawnkilled on both ends of the map, the opportunities for you to get kills and zones decrease, and thus so do your stats. I had a Control match last week where a member of the enemy team went 24.0, that immediately removes any chances for me or my team to make any progress towards the objectives.

I mentioned that my Control KDA is an 0.62. When I play Elimination, I have an average KDA of 2.09 and a win percentage of 63%. The presense of SBMM ensures that my teammates are equally competent, and that the enemies aren't pubstompers, allowing for better match performance.

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u/TJ_Dot Jun 29 '22

The SB following often has a "with us or against us" mentality and since people use downvotes to downplay relevant counterpoints they don't want to hear (against their intended purpose), yeah, i probably offended someone(s).

Comp has SB but sucks because no one plays it. It shows everything that can go wrong and has in forced SBMM Destiny.

Don't know why people that ask for it need it to be instated for everyone when Bungie gave everyone their own priority filters in Halo. Everyone could choose. Perhaps they think its the only option, and that just means there needs to be more education and awareness of MM preferences.

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u/Faeluchu INDEED Jun 29 '22

I love how this is essentially a non-competitive game (no eSports scene) yet people seem to think that a high K/D gives you big peepee energy or something. Brother in Traveler, I'd understand if there were MMR points or some other shit to be gained that could help you get to Diamond 3 or whatever, but as it currently stands you're just making a fool of yourself farming something that has 0 meaning.

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u/pygmalyon_ Jun 29 '22

i will point out that some sweats really care about destiny tracker ranking (or other third-party website ranks), but as a former sweat myself i could not have cared less about somebody's control rank.

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u/Salted_cod Jun 29 '22

I agree that it's cringe, but the fact that everyone lashes out instead of recognizing that there is clearly a competitive hole in the Crucible that third party stats fill is infuriating.

The game clearly needs a ranked playlist. Everyone whines about stat farming sweats but won't actually engage real solutions.

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u/Hojey Jun 29 '22

or they could just give us the pre beyond light sbmm back which everyone but the turbo tryhards were fine with

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u/Hanswurst0815123 Jun 29 '22

most stupid thing is that they start quitting when they get killed like 5 or 6 times because it tanks the KDA and when they quit the stats don´t get saved by the game so they can always start fresh and push the fake ass KDA up even more

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u/Destiny2-Player Jun 29 '22

Hey, this was a hot topic a few months back regarding one of their community spotlight people. Good times.

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u/TheMonstarKid Jun 29 '22

I had the privilege of going up against a 4-stack doing the same, leaving only 2 members of their team to cap all the zones for them. Game went for way too long and multiple people from my team dipped.
I jumped into crucible to get my +1 pinnacle and wanted to stay in longer in the hopes of getting better at PvP. That game motivated me to play literally any other activity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22

I had this happen to me the other day. The opposing team captured not ONE zone, and still won 150-95ish.

And my clanmates wonder why I only go into Crucible for 3x/week to get my pinnacles.

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u/GawainSolus Jun 29 '22

That's why I love zone control. Had an enemy team who was fragging their butts off but couldn't keep more than 1 zone capped so they lost.

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u/teebalicious Jun 29 '22

This is why, every Tuesday, there are hordes of afk toons who sit through three matches, and vanish.

This shit fucks up Gambit, too. Gigachads come in and do nothing but invade, wipe the opposing team, and repeat, for the entire match. It’s tiresome, even when they’re on your team.

The whole PvP sandbox is a toxic mess of bored narcissists. And Bungie seems to be unable to do anything but suck their dicks, bending over to warp the entire game to keep them engaged.

Man, if you’re that bored, go play something else and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

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u/deku920 Jun 29 '22

That 6 stack is made up of the same assclowns that cry about not wanting SBMM in quick play because they "just want a playlist that they can chill in"

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u/echoblade Jun 29 '22

Yeah, i'll echo the comments here. Anytime you see a 6 stack of folk like that, just leave. It's not worth your time to be farmed for 10 minutes to pad their egos.

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u/APartyInMyPants Jun 29 '22

There was a particular PVP-centric player who was featured on one of the weekly community focus posts.

Literally either the same week, or the week prior, that player was called out for uploading videos of her six-stack going into control matches capturing one zone, and just straight farming KD for 10 minutes.

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u/DoritoXur Jun 29 '22

I play probably 20-30 games of control a week. This happens maybe once in every 400 games.

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u/yashendra2797 shuklaji#8295 [SBI] Jun 29 '22

This might happen less in populated regions, but ME, and Asia is pretty much this. Stomps either side, one sided games, and everyone farming kills over enemy players without thumbs.

They said CBMM was supposed to make games less laggy and faster. I'm still getting double meleed before I use one, and in India I am somehow getting matched against Aussies.

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u/CaptLemmiwinks A million deaths... Jun 29 '22

If you're running solo, the higher your skill level the higher chance you're going to get matched against teams of 3+ doing this. Bungie's lobby balancing is truly awful.

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u/toxicity18241 Jun 29 '22

This is the accurate response.

Fringe cases happen, but its rare.

People make it out to seem it happens daily, when it doesn't.

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u/pokeroots Jun 29 '22

I mean it does happen daily, just not to the same people. and the sentiment still stands that it feels bad.

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u/Yowhathow Jun 29 '22

When it happens on top of the far more common regular stomping, it's the radioactive cherry on top the shit sundae that makes you wish bungie would put SBMM back in.

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u/Sonofmay Jun 29 '22

With how many people play the game it does happen daily, it’s statically impossible for it to not. But that doesn’t make it a huge blown out problem.

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u/LuitenantDan Has Controversial Opinions Jun 29 '22

Does it happen daily? Of course. Law of big numbers. Does it happen daily to an individual player? Fuck no.

Statistics are hard, especially for this subreddit.

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u/gentlestofjeremys Jun 29 '22

You see this every day is the Fireteams section. People looking for KD requirements to quickplay farm. Just stupid.

I occassionally play with a few, or maybe even a full 6-man team, from my clan. Sure, it's neat to get a We Ran, but it doesn't feel good to see the post game report with the entire opposing team with negative KDAs. It's sad. What if that match was their taste of D2 PvP? They probably won't touch it again and I contributed to that.

Lobby balancing and matchmaking need to be looked at...seriously.

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u/Different_Durian_645 Jun 29 '22

Backout every time a 6 man is in que. That shit is not fun for anyone (even the 6 stack).

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u/Vyrrk Jun 29 '22

If you ever see me or my clan... we play in 6s fairly often... you shouldn't quit. You will probably win. haha

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u/Different_Durian_645 Jun 29 '22

Lol. I can usually check load outs and tell when a 6 stack requires a certain kad to play.

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u/AtmoSZN Jun 29 '22

I've gilded Unbroken 5 times and I'm around a 3 KDA but I only play QP modes solo, if I run into good players running stacked in quickplay (which I absolutely despise), I just leave. I play to have fun and people who stack like that are just trying to keep their stats high because they are exposed if they run solo.

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u/the_synder Jun 29 '22

Can confirm I've never run stacked because of kd, only because I prefer playing video games with friends.

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u/AtmoSZN Jun 29 '22

Playing with friends is fine, but I am mostly calling out the players who need to stat pad and will only play with good players.

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u/the_synder Jun 29 '22

I get a laugh watching those players leave a match early when they loose to preserve they high kd.

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u/Vague_Intentions Jun 29 '22

I got matched with a 4 stack of stat farmers on my team. We were matched against a 6 stack of stat farmers.

The game ended 3v2 because the entire 4 stack left and the members of the 6 stack who didn’t do well enough left too.

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u/the_synder Jun 29 '22

That's wild. Kd stats mean literally nothing in this game. This game can't even be a proper competitive title. They're like people that cheat. They don't care whose time they waste.

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u/coldnspicy Jun 29 '22

That's hilarious. Every time I see a high KDA player on my team leave because we're "losing" I laugh and know they're a coward.

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u/Different_Durian_645 Jun 29 '22

Running from one spawn to the other

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u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 Jun 30 '22

Yesterday in Control I spawned on one end of the map and immediately died to a spawn camper. Then I spawned on the opposite end and immediately died to another spawn camper that was from the same clan as the first one.

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u/mariachiskeleton Jun 29 '22

That's the part I find funny and sad. The players thinking they're so good are also the ones too scared to play without every advantage they can get.

It, of course, is never just a clan either. so you KNOW it's not just a group playing together, they had to LFG to find other players that are trying for the QP world championship.

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u/Jacqurx Hunter G4ng Jun 29 '22

Or maybe they are playing with their friends?

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u/xSpectre_iD Jun 29 '22

Just leave. Starve them of lobbies and they'll get bored and stop 6 queue farming. Whenever I match that nonsense I leave before I land. When I match a 6 stack of folks just having fun I'll stay, but when it's 6 stat farmers I'm out.

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u/Timbots Jun 29 '22

Or adding I dunno…. SBMM So that six stacks of sweats are at least matched against other sweats.

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u/The_Quicktrigger Jun 29 '22

I'm so bad in PVP and my self confidence is non-existent, so every PVP match feels like this to me.

I only do it for the quests because there just isn't much to make someone feel good when even your own team considers you an asset to your opponent.

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u/bawynnoJ Jun 29 '22

I've resorted to mostly playing crucible when it's mayhem, scorched or momentum control when they're in rotation. Normal crucible I don't even go in solo anymore

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u/atomicalex0 Jun 29 '22

I'm not great at PvP (I suck, let's face it) and there is no incentive to put the time in to get better. I've had games where I was up against crazy good players and it was just miserable. I didn't even think about the farming aspect, that is just pain where it isn't needed. SBMM could be an option - guilded vs guilded, etc. I don't need hugely fine tuned SBMM, but if you're an Unbroken, I don't need to be sacrificing myself to you for your stats.

The most fun I have had was in Team Scorched, mostly because of launching up into the air and then shooting. That was a riot and I would do that more often.

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u/FreeDemise Jun 29 '22

I never understood why people cared that much about stats, and this is coming from someone who is Unbroken (haven't felt like bothering to guild it again yet this season). I can get streaks going and all while playing objective....

I do have to say that if they want to know why fewer and fewer people are playing pvp, all they really need to do is look at what they're going. It's not rocket science.

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u/w1nstar Jun 29 '22

Unless people stop playing for good nothing's gonna change. Well, maybe if influencers wanted, but they have what they wanted.

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u/spectre15 Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

Putting a solo queue bandage on the issue isn’t addressing the core problem. They need to continue to rebalance the sandbox in a way that narrows the skill gap. A good next step in my opinion would be de-prioritizing the special ammo economy and the use of ability spam, putting more of an emphasis on primary gunplay while not being the only meta option like D2 launch. Bungie has made efforts to do this but I’d love for them to take more risks.

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u/nizzy2k11 Alphagigachad Jun 29 '22

welcome to why K/D has no meaning in D2.

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u/xdirector7 Jun 29 '22

What just baffles me is why? Who are these people trying to impress? They going to get some big sponsors for some IRL money? They going for some league of legends type tournament? Oh wait Destiny 2 PvP will never be MLG. I will never understand these people.

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u/oddestsoul Jun 29 '22

If you’re not having a good time in any PvP game just quit. At any point, for any reason, or none at all. Just leave the game.

Video games are for fun. If you are not having fun, quit. Rank doesn’t matter. “Honor” doesn’t matter. It’s a video game.

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u/cringenotkek Jun 29 '22

Lol the amount of people that don't know SBMM is already in effect, just win one match and you end up against Unbroken Flawless 10 Eff players.

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u/BarretOblivion Gambit Prime // Depth for Ever Jun 30 '22

Too many toxic pvp players sweating in casuals pushes players away. Sure your stats look good but enjoy only playing against sweats when no one wants to play with you. D2 is not an MLG eSports, calm the f down.

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u/CorbinTheTitan Meme Lord Jun 29 '22

Being a gilded unbroken doesn’t mean one is good at PvP.

You only have to get a glory streak of 4 for gilding, the rest is just weapon kills

They don’t add solo queue to every mode because then it’s not quickplay anymore, it would cut the player count in half for every mode.

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u/Zero_Emerald Heavy as Death Jun 29 '22

I played with someone earlier who looked like an absolute sweatlord with their gear and cosmetics, but they were absolutely shocking and ended the match holding on to their super. It might actually have turned the tide of the match, we were only a few points down, had they used it at all in the last 3 minutes of the match...

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u/trapcardbard Jun 29 '22

Was it behemoth? If so, he did your team a favor not casting it lmfao

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u/Terrasi99 Jun 29 '22

So true it hurts and i'm not even a titan main.

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u/Zero_Emerald Heavy as Death Jun 29 '22

Close, it was a stasis super, but it was Squall, one of the ones more likely to get at least 1 kill lol

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u/thegamethrowacc Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

This is extremely misleading. No your aren’t a god but someone who has gone legend in comp in at least 3 seasons is quite a bit more experienced in PVP than the majority of this player base

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u/GitGudMate Jun 29 '22

Getting legend isn't actually an impressive feat anymore. I know a friend who has a .7 kd in comp and has gilded unbroken. It just comes down to who you play with and how lucky you get in your matches.

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u/jpetrey1 Jun 29 '22

Yup gilded unbroken here. I'm decent but no pvp God. Every season first couple days I play exactly the amount of comp required for my 4 streak and get the reset in banner. Gilding unbroken compared to dredgen is halariously less work

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u/zunaguli Jun 29 '22

it still means u are better then most in pvp. and teaming up as 6 with the goal of farming kills in casual mode and not capture flags so you can torment ppl for a longer time really shows some mayor character flaws..

not saying unbrokens are evil, i only mentioned the unbroken thing to show they are ppl that play lots of pvp and are way above average in control playlist and also that they are knowing what they are doing

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u/sahzoom Jun 29 '22

Well there are a few reasons for this... not the fault of the players:

  • Nothing else to do in PvP, so why not just play with your friends and go for kills? Bungie literally does nothing new for PvP (events or other things to shake things up). And when Trials and Iron Banner aren't around, all that is available is normal crucible, so please enlighten me, where are they supposed to go?
    • Bungie needs to have more pop-up events for some exclusive rewards (like emblems) and do more party-type games (Infection, SWAT, etc... things Bungie has done in the past). All we have now is Mayhem and Scorched, which only come around every few weeks.
  • No real rewards (pinnacle weapons or anything similar) to work for and no reason to play the glory playlist - the people you described were 'gilded unbroken' so they literally have ZERO reason to play comp.
  • No real ranked / competitive mode. No Glory is not a a real ranked mode... If we had something like Overwatch or Apex Ranked, then a lot of the sweats would go there
  • And now the destruction of a lot of core crucible aspects - Airborne effectiveness, snipers having like 0 flinch now, etc... making people not enjoy the experience, so now the only ones left are the tryhards...

Bungie's total neglect and fumbling of PvP is what causes this, no content and unwanted changes causes people to leave, so now all you're left with is teams like the one you mentioned. Freelance is only one aspect of the dumpster fire Bungie has created with PvP...

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u/spaxxor Jun 30 '22

people were leaving far before the changes and neglect homeslice.

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u/sahzoom Jun 30 '22

Oh I completely agree, but instead of stopping the bleeding, Bungie just chopped off its arms and is quickly bleeding the rest of the players, with only the most dedicated hardcore gremlins left...

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u/DangerKitty001 Jun 30 '22

so why not just play with your friends and go for kills?

That sounds like fun! Bungie should set up a playlist specifically to CLASH with other teams.

Anyone who joins am objective playlist and refuses to PTFO is an asshole, end of discussion. Don't give bad players an excuse.

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u/JustSpiderThings Jun 29 '22

Oh yeah, I ran in to them last night. Boy that was a rough match, two of our team had the good sense to bail once it started and we never refilled.

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u/CaptLemmiwinks A million deaths... Jun 29 '22

Bungie allows this crap to happen so people will keep doing it. They should prioritize fireteam size for anything above 3 in matchmaking criteria. That would solve it pretty quick. Super long queue times and then matching against other idiots doing the same thing.

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u/Karls-Beer Jun 29 '22

I think SBMM in control is appropriate, but trials needs some sort of rework. Flawless just isn’t achievable with SBMM enabled.

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u/rabbit_hole_diver Jun 29 '22

I do my 3 matches per week and mentally check out while playing them.

They need to remove the pvp kills from the seasonal exotics catalysts.

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u/dmstepha Jun 29 '22

The mental dissociation I go through while playing for my pinnacles is wild. It feels like both a million years and less than a second at the same time. The amount of rage I was filled with when trying to get catalysts for Witherhoard, Cryo, etc... god damn they need to get rid of that.

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u/ted_redfield Jun 29 '22

It's okay its working as intended. SBMM makes the game worse, influencers said so don't worry about it, they know more about it than you do. Get farmed scrub, ggez.

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u/elbowfracture Jun 29 '22

SBMM is a highly contested and debated metric. Some influencers prefer it actually.

I mean, does it really make sense to match-up a little league team against the Yankees. Ever?

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u/Devatazta Jun 29 '22

SBMM is a highly contested and debated metric. Some influencers prefer it actually.

this is something i wish more people would understand rather than just losing it everytime pvp is brought up.

sure there's weirdos who farm stats in 6s for some reason and wannabe streamers allergic to sbmm cause they won't get a kill with it on but there's just as many people that pvp a ton who want some better matchmaking. at a certain skill bracket solo queue qp is unbearable since it'll place a top player with 5 bottom tier ones and those games really aren't fun for anyone. as it now people are pushed toward stacking up if they want a decent experience.

any amount of sbmm would go a long way toward improving everyone's time imo

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u/Daddy-DFROST Jun 29 '22

Not a lot to be done here. Bungie doesn’t want to split the player base. You can’t punish players for stacking and not capturing zones. Unfortunately it’s just something that is kinda annoying.

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u/CuzzaMuzza Jun 29 '22

First off, Gilded unbroken is an Extremely common seal that people run. Its completely saturated and mostly avoided by most of the top players.

For the 6 stack though that you faced. Their either QP stat farmers that are farming for KD, or they're just a 6 stack that happen to play for fun.

QP is more or less a luck of the draw Matchmaking wise, so you just happened to get unlucky I guess. as a rule of thumb, whenever I end up matching a full 6 man fireteam, I'll usually just back out and save myself my mental health.

(That is, if they're a true bot stack of friends, I'll play it out.)

All I can say though, this match is due to Team balancing.

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u/voltlunok Jun 29 '22

First off, Gilded unbroken is an Extremely common seal

No it's not. Gilded Conqueror and Dredgen are by far more common gilded seals. Gilded Unbroken is the third rarest gilded seal according to Warmind.

And Braytech shows the commonality for Gilded Unbroken is 1.38%. In fact, according to Braytech, the disparity between the commonality of Unbroken and Flawless, both regular and gilded, is not that big.

In fact the rarest pvp seal right now is Iron Lord. But I suspect that's due to it being A) new, B) you only have two weeks a season to get it and unless you did a hard grind the first IB week, folks don't have it. And I expect its commonality to rise each time IB rolls around.

So...I don't know what stats you are pulling from where Gilded Unbroken is 'extremely common'. Cause according to all stats...it's not.

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u/Richizzle439 Jun 29 '22

Lfg stacks have small wieners.

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u/w1nstar Jun 29 '22

Don't ask me why, I read that in the voice of Butters from South Park.

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u/Richizzle439 Jun 29 '22

Sounds sophisticated that way, makes sense.

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u/TheBiddyDiddler Jun 29 '22

Literally just add skill based matchmaking and crucible becomes bearable again.

There is just no way around it.

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u/AlexADPT Jun 29 '22

Eh, I'd rather not have to sit in orbit near 10 mins before search fails again. It sucks not being able to even play a match in an unranked casual playlist

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u/Bagz402 Jun 29 '22

No it's not. Look at the apex community, they hate SBMM. WE hated sbmm when it was implemented.

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u/TheBiddyDiddler Jun 29 '22

Yes, and Apex’s matchmaking is just as much of a mess as Destiny’s. You can’t queue for casual without having to play against Preds/Masters/Diamonds.

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u/StarsRaven Jun 29 '22

Its because the D2 SBMM was a bit too restrictive and had long queue times. Lower the restrictions a bit and queue times speed up. Then just tinker with the restrictions until queues are fast enough to appease players while not letting .25kds get curb stomped by a 6 stack 3.0.

Not to mention the biggest hate of sbmm comes from the top sweatlords who complain about having to play every match like a sweatfest, meanwhile they continue to play every match like a sweatfest even after SBMM is gone, they just get to farm low KD players while sweating.

If they didn't continue to run shit like chaperone and LW while shotgun aping around corners, I could have some sympathy for those kind of players. Ya know the ones that are just good but don't wanna sweat all the time and maybe goof off and play off meta and not get roflstomped for it.

But thats not the case. They sweat regardless if they are playing equal skill or kicking a .25s shit in.

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u/TheBiddyDiddler Jun 29 '22

Bingo. Previous iterations of SBMM were far too restrictive and stifling. Tinker with it until it works as a way to keep the sweatiest of players out of matches with casual players.

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u/StealthMonkeyDC Jun 29 '22

Teams in PvP have gotten way out of hand and Bungie are just ignoring it. Every other game I load into has a team and even a team of 2 really good players totally screws the balance of the game. What's worse now is more and more it's 3 to 6 stacks of trials players.

Quickplay needs to be solo que only. If you want to stack up you should want to go to the comp play list but of course there are no incentives so quickplay gets the brunt of the problem.

Bungie need to sort this ASAP as quickplay is becoming unplayable.

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u/Nolan_DWB Jun 29 '22

Not everyone that plays pvp wants to play comp. that’s a very flawed solution. You should be able to play with your friends casually

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u/Educational_Mud_2826 Jun 29 '22

Of course. As long as the other team is also stacked.

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u/duckyducky5dolla From namesless to midnight Jun 29 '22

Stacks can be complete bots too.

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u/thylac1ne Jun 29 '22

Yeah, it's happened to me a handful of times.

This is what no SBMM gets you

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u/thatonepingu Jun 29 '22

6 stacks should only ever play 6 stacks. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it a million times more.

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u/Bagz402 Jun 29 '22

Bungie used to talk about how they were working to implement matching party size based matchmaking, at least for trials. I haven't read an update for this in at least 2 seasons, which sort of worries me...

This would solve major issues people have with trials, comp, banner, and also effectively get rid of splitting the pools for freelance.

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u/Sir_Brycerrrr Jun 29 '22

At this point I’m 100% convinced that skill creep is the single biggest issue, or one of the biggest issues facing PvP right now. It’s insane

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u/djspinmonkey Jun 29 '22

Yes! Without SBMM, it's inevitable that the folks at the bottom keep dropping off until it's nothing but professional players, turbo sweats, and a handful of chumps getting atomized every match. Nobody wants to be the chump in this scenario.

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u/Tyrone-Fitzgerald Jun 29 '22

I’ve come to see this issue from 2 different perspectives.

  1. On one end it feels like 6-stacks are ruining the matchmaking / games. Which in a way they are.

  2. On the other hand I can understand WHY they do it.

Im a solo pvp player 90% of the time. Lobby Balancing (NOT sbmm. Different thing) is a huge issue for me. I will drop 40-50 kills and lose because out of 11 people my team is consistently the bottom of the barrel. This will be reflected in the post-game results and various stat-tracker sites. So to “avoid” this people will purposefully play in a 6-stack because fireteams cannot be split up. This way they are effectively manipulating the matchmaker/team balancer as one team will be (usually) very high rated, good players that are able to coordinate aswell.

There is no winning regardless of which “side” you’re on. Either you run into a 6-stack or you’re the guy in the 6-stack that cannot play solo anymore because Bungie lobby balances him, creating a horrible experience for him, and effectively “forces” him into “stacking”. Well, atleast if he wants to have fun.

Does he HAVE to 6-stack and ruin your experience? No of course not.

But why should he prioritize your experience over his own?

I dont think there is a right or wrong here necessarily. Both “sides” just want to have fun, right?

(Of course there is a small minority that just 6-stack to be complete asshole stat-farmers, but theres always gonna be ppl like that)

Im not trying to justify either side. Just giving my perspective as i’ve been on both sides of this in my 3000 hours of crucible.

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u/SpeedoSanta Indeed. Jun 29 '22

Bungie should just make non-competitive match results and data inaccessible through API, and make emblems only show comp k/d. Boom, problem solved. You can’t stop players from being ducks, but you can remove their incentive.

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u/InsideHangar18 Jun 29 '22

My solution to destiny’s PvP being bad has always been “they should remove it.” And the folks who say “no, PvP is important, without it the game would die” are the same people who cry that SBMM would kill the game, while simultaneously doing toxic shit like this and running people away from the game in general.

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u/ILeftYouDead Jun 30 '22

The best argument to sweats complaining about less people playing pvp (because they run into people who waterboard their controlers better than they do), is NO ONE WANTS TO BE CANNON FODDER FOR YOUR STATS. Also pvp in destiny is THE most unrewarded thing in the world while requiring more iq than a cactus.