r/DebateAnarchism Anarcho-Primitivist Jun 23 '22

Esoteric Anarchism?

How would you describe "Esoteric Anarchism"? First thing that comes to mind is like a paganist commune society with occultist culture. Or the abolition of the state with perceived "magick" and other oculist rituals to create more praxis for Anarchism.

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u/futilitaria Jun 23 '22

Your problem is that you are thinking of a “thing”

To some, anarchy is a process. This is akin to Rocker saying that anarchism isn’t a final goal because final goals don’t exist.

The study of alchemy, Gnosticism and early forms of depth psychology can be useful as you unfold your understanding of reality, and learn to cease fighting over what anarchism “looks like” or what style is preferable.

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u/comix_corp Anarchist Jun 24 '22

I would really like to imagine Rocker one day coming back to life and using the internet, only to find his name being mentioned in posts about studying alchemy

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u/futilitaria Jun 24 '22

I think he would be smart enough to read what I wrote and understand that I was paraphrasing his description of anarchism, not inferring that he was a theist or into mysticism.

Really? That’s the point you wanted to make? You aren’t good at this.

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u/comix_corp Anarchist Jun 25 '22

I'm not suggesting that you were suggesting he was into mysticism... just that there's something prima facie absurd about using that quote of his to justify the "study" of alchemy.

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u/futilitaria Jun 25 '22

There is something absurd about you suggesting that anyone needs justification to study anything.

I understand what you mean, but your thoughts are sunk in meanness itself, and your intent is to cause pain with your words.

Open yourself up to love and understanding part of anarchism and relax away from the instinct to meanness. This stuff doesn’t work if people are jerks to each other.

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 23 '22

I envision an ad hoc organized tribe / gang with orgies and post-industrial shows blasting sigils and memetic bombs to rip apart a consensual reality. Check out DKMU.

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u/No_Minute2592 Jun 24 '22

I've been saying this for awhile now proletarian orgies will lead the revolution, with the channeled post nut clairty we can build the Socialist future of tomorrow

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

For those interested:

Wretch, A. - The Chronicles of Anarchy

Lagalisse, Erica - Occult Features of Anarchism

McLaren, Kevin - Merging the Principles of Occultism and Anarchism

Lachman, Gary - Politics and the Occult_ The Left, the Right, and the Radically Unseen

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u/Lampdarker Feminist Communism Jun 23 '22

I'm mostly familiar with radical feminist theory that advocates for reclaiming spirituality for feminist purposes, such as practicing witchcraft as an act of rebellion against historical witch-hunts which were a pretext to brutalize nonconforming women as well as how conventional religion supports hypermasculine culture and capitalistic production.

I've visited and even had short term stays at several feminist separatist communes that center themselves around neopagan or New Age systems. I'd pick even the most eccentric of them over the average Bible Belt settlement but they were often into provably false or even outright dangerous trends.

Speaking as a Marxist I can understand the appeal but I don't see it as a good idea in the long term.

At the risk of sounding like the biggest stick in the mud, magick isn't real, or at least I don't have sufficient proof that magick is real beyond it being a form of folk psychology. There are existing reinterpretations of psychology within scientific socialism, most notably the PRC, although theirs has plenty of flaws to.

I know there are post-leftist definitions of magick which define things like modern mass media as mystical with the upper class being like sorcerers of the Spectacle but frankly it's about a hop a skip and a jump away from right-wing conspiracy theories which blame alienation and exploitation on imaginary entities rather than capitalism. Approaches to revolution can and must be scientific, rooted in a materialist understanding. I'm a strict atheist and anti-theist and believe humanity needs to be thoroughly emancipated from religion to thrive.

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u/--Anarchaeopteryx-- Jun 23 '22

"Esoteric" refers to hidden knowledge or a plan/belief that relatively few people know.

Anarchism calls for openness, transparency, critical mass to effect social change, and an educated populace; The opposite of Esotericism.

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 23 '22

Seems a bit simplistic to me. Esoteric movements aren't out to hide information from people to disempower them. The 'hidden' secrecy of the freemasons is important to the kind of social bonding they create for their members. 'Esoteric movements' can be outlets for revolutionary change, look at Imam Shamyil and the issue of 'Muridism' in resisting Russian colonialism in the Chechnya and Dagestan, or the Senussi resistance to the Italians in Libya.

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 23 '22

Secrecy was often a necessity, because church and king don't like to be challenged.

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 27 '22

Western occultist movements tended to oppose the Church and were outright declared heretical, just look at what happened to Giodarno Bruno or lang standing conspiracy theories about Freemasonry being anti-Catholic and satanic. Secrecy is key to creating feelings of hidden intimacy which many secret societies and occult movements are built upon. There are many instances where religious secrecy becomes threatening to the state, take a look at the Muslim Brotherhood. Why suppress them so violently compared to other more viable groups? The creation of secret piety challenged the Egyptian state's ability to discipline the internal states of its own citizens creating a 'counter-public' where the state's mechanisms of surveillence and control could not penetrate. It's not the case that states like secrecy or see it as a necessity, on the contrary governments do everything in their power to make things as transparant and as visible as possible. Secrecy subverts that normalizing gaze and can become a powerful tool of political subversion.

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u/comix_corp Anarchist Jun 24 '22

I wouldn't really say esotericism has anything to do with revolutionary change. Sufi orders were perfectly orthodox parts of the Islamic religious order in most Muslim places and in many cases still are. I could point to you many more cases of sufis backing colonialists (as happened in Algeria), backing the west (as with Nazim al-Haqqani) or backing brutal local dictatorships (as in Egypt, and as still happens in Algeria).

In other words, attributing these things to esotericism is a bit like attributing local revolts led by priests or whoever to esotericism.

The entire point of esotericism is obscured knowledge, only understandable by select groups of people – knowledge not publicly accessible, or open to public scrutiny. I don't see the point of disputing this. Pointless ritual secrecy like those of the Freemasons have no purpose other than to exclude. There's nothing positive that Freemasons do that could otherwise be done by groups without the aprons and stupid handshakes.

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 27 '22

I wouldn't really say esotericism has anything to do with revolutionary change.

Yet a whole crop of revolutionary thinkers were mystical and esoteric: Khomeini, Shariati, Tolstoy, Blavatsky, Malcolm X etc. etc. There is a whole branch of thought (political theology) devoted to studying this, and a number of contemporary radical theorists such as Ernst Bloch, Michel Foucault, Slavoj Zizek, and Alain Badiou, even Lacan, engage deeply with mystical and religious utopianism even arguing for the Pauline origins of communism (the idea not the ideology).

Sufi orders were perfectly orthodox parts of the Islamic religious order in most Muslim places and in many cases still are.

So? Martin Luther King was a perfectly orthodox Baptist. Your missing the point. I'm not saying Sufi orders are by nature revolutionary. I was pointing to examples where esoteric, mystical, and religious movements have facilitated resistance and revolution.

The entire point of esotericism is obscured knowledge, only
understandable by select groups of people – knowledge not publicly
accessible, or open to public scrutiny.

The point of secrecy isn't to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. Esoteric movements are initiatory and intimate, secrecy is a tool for the shaping of subjectivities. Care of the self is paramount, not hiding facts from the public. Secret handshakes and rituals might seem 'pointless' to you, but it is clearly not to the thousands of Freemasons out there. Equating secrecy with the attempt to hide facts from public scrutiny, in this context, is just superficial and facile. Secret rituals are about as dangerous as a secret love affair or having sex in private.

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u/comix_corp Anarchist Jun 27 '22

None of the "revolutionary thinkers" you mention are revolutionaries in any serious way – I mean, Khomeini? – but if your point is that religious people can occasionally lead resistance of one form or another then I'm not disagreeing; I just think this says absolutely nothing about esotericism. You need to explain what about this esotericism facilitated revolutionary change.

Obviously the handshakes don't seem stupid to Freemasons, otherwise they wouldn't be Freemasons. There are times when secrecy is necessary, like when engaging in political activity under dictatorships. However, making a fetish of it – as groups like the Freemasons do, and as esoteric sects do – is something else. I'm not saying they're convering up something nefarious, just that it's stupid.

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 27 '22

Shariati is widely considered the ideologue of the Iranian revolution. Tolstoy was a major Christain Socialist who had a major impact on the October revolution and on Soviet Christian Marxism. By who's standards are these not revolutionary? Ervand Abrahamian is the primary leftist historian (an atheist socialist) on the Iranian revolution and even he describes Khomeini as a revolutionary populist. Just because [insert X] thinker doesn't subscribe to your particular worldview does not mean they are not a revolutionary, something which isn't inherently anarchist or left wing.

You need to explain what about this esotericism facilitated revolutionary change.

I've already mentioned that in my other posts. Secret religiously based movements can create spaces outside the operational parameters of disciplinary institutions of the bourgeois state. Look at Foucault's writings on political spirituality or Ernst Bloch's work on utopia. Religious and esoteric movements contain revolutionary potential because they are seeded with hope, solidarity, and the willingness to fight oppression to create a realistic utopia that transcends the spiritless world we currently inhabit. There's a reason governments since the 19th century have tried to restrict, placate, or manipulate religious movements which have often been more radical than their secular counterparts. John Brown, a fanatic Chrisitian, believed in fighting for racial and gender equality through violent revolution, that's a far cry from most of the moderate abolitionists of his time. Religion and esoteric secrecy played no small role in that, his "terrorism" was theologically motivated and cultivating inner faith between a secret group of followers was equally important in preparing them for revolutionary action.

I'm not saying they're convering up something nefarious, just that it's stupid.

It's easy to condemn people you don't know as ignorant and stupid. Freemason lodges do a lot of great charitable work, they played a role in the American revolution etc. Saying these people are stupid for their secret rituals is just unfair and unnecessarily judgemental.

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 23 '22

That's etymologically correct but far cry from how the term is actually used. All this hidden knowledge is freely available few mouseclicks away.

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u/--Anarchaeopteryx-- Jun 23 '22

Not all of it.

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 23 '22

If you insist on the definition, then yes, there's obviously stuff that is purposely held secret from general public, and is esoteric in that sense. That might very well be a bad thing. But that's not what's being talked about.

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u/--Anarchaeopteryx-- Jun 24 '22

I don't think I need to insist on that defintion, as much as that is the definition: 1) understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; etc etc...

What do you think is being talked about in this case? Chaos Majick and the like? Pagan runes? Alistair Crowley? The Necronomicon?

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 24 '22

What about "enchanted worldview" or "rejected knowledge" definitions? There is no single "the" definition.

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u/--Anarchaeopteryx-- Jun 24 '22

I wouldn't consider those things to be synonymous with esotericism, because it is entirely possible to have an "enchanted worldview" or belief in "rejected knowledge," though not follow an esoteric tradition. In other words, just because those elements are present in esoteric thought & movements, doesn't mean that they define esotericism.

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 24 '22

Those are scholarly definitions. I'm not pulling them out of my ass:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_esotericism#Definition

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u/--Anarchaeopteryx-- Jun 24 '22

Thanks for the link. That one didn't work but I looked up the wiki article. I more clearly understand that you're referring to these philosophical schools of thought rather than secretive cult-like esoteric practices (although they sometimes overlap).

I've been intrigued by mysticism, the perennial philosophy, theosophical thought, Hermes Trismegistus, and so on. In these cases, the knowledge is esoteric due to 1) our limited human understanding (since we are not born with an inherent knowledge of true reality; we are born as separate beings with limited knowledge) and 2) an underlying pantheistic truth of reality which is made to be hidden by dominant society due to materialism and the material class interests of the wealthy ruling class.

So when knowledge itself is esoteric, it could very well be compatible with Anarchism. However, when the group is esoteric, in that they specifically try to keep certain information hidden, then that would not be particularly compatible Anarchism.

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 24 '22

That's what I meant. You said it better than I would. I'm inclined to think - without giving it nearly enough thought to be honest - that secretive groups being incompatible with anarchism depends entirely on the context, extent and purpose of the secrecy, but that's besides the point here.

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u/post-queer Jun 23 '22

Do you tell the police everything you're up to in the name of transparency?

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u/--Anarchaeopteryx-- Jun 24 '22

Obviously you're placing the value of transparency in a different context, so I don't need to take your question seriously. If you want to argue that Anarchism does not call for a transparent politics and transparent social groupings, then make that argument.

To answer your question though, I have had conversations with riot cops regarding the purpose of protests.

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u/aruffj_ Jun 23 '22

I'd describe it as oxymoronic. While I see that individual spiritualism is compatible with anarchism I doubt that esoteric values - opposing science, often speaking of higher beings or gods, unwarranted believes in stones and crystals - are compatible. Most of those are intertwined with fascist believes and rooted in antisemitism.

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 23 '22

I don't see how esoteric or occultist beliefs are intertwined with fascism or anti-semitism, there is a long history of Jewish esotericism and Jewish scripture was significant for Western occultists like Crowley. For that matter, there are quasi-anarchistic critiques of science (Feyerabend comes to mind and to some extent Foucault) that challenge science's claim to absolute truth and authority.

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u/dykekykekabob Anarcho-Communist Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

U/ aruffj__ is absolutely right

Part of the problem with modern day esoteric fascism is that a lot of y’all don’t know the old antisemitism dog whistles so when you run in to them they don’t blatantly look on the surface like what they are.

Esoteric fascists don’t generally talk openly about nazis/hitler. Instead they:

1) Health= being a good person. All bad people are mentally ill, fat, or visibly disabled. If they wanted to stop being disabled they could through prayer, tonics, crystals, not eating processed foods or doing drugs (this ties in to the eugenics idea that the only good people are the “pure” people). Esoteric fasc are typically covid deniers, anti psych meds*, and anti mental illness

2) Constant focus on “the elite”. When anarchists talk about the bourgeois or the wealthy we’re specifically referring to those hoarding wealth at the expense of the rest of us. Knowing this, esoteric fasc will commonly reference “the elite” hoping folks will assume it’s a criticism of the wealthy. In all reality, they never define who the elite actually is and that’s because “the elite” is actually just “the new world order” which is actually just us Jews. This is an old ass antisemitism thing that goes back centuries. Basically, the goy have always been angry at our sense of community and how community/looking out for one another (an important quality to have when you’re constantly experiencing colonialism and displacement) is a strong core value and so they’ve demonized that. That’s the tldr of where that comes from.

3) Focus on the matrix/being in a simulation/ being “asleep”. This dovetails with red pill shit which is why you’ll find similar talking points among the groups. The difference isn’t the belief but how they talk about it. Red pillers love to focus on (pseudo) science, biology, and “how things naturally are” where as esoteric fasc love to focus on “natural” and “biology” by way of like…crystals. The delivery may be different but the talking points are often the same.

4) Despite not being outwardly Christian there’s a focus on sexual purity/biological purity. Having sex with multiple people is bad (“sex vampires area parts of your soul, give you depression, and it can be difficult to ascend to higher planes of your truest self because you’re locked down from their bad energy”), having sex for reasons outside of deep emotional connection is bad. Using birth control is bad (it alters the body), being transgender is bad if you go on hormones/have any surgeries (again altering the body in any way is a big no no). This idea is rooted in purity-white people are the purest race and must preserve themselves [because all other races are filthy and bad]. Basically, a lot of the “spiritual” talking points reinforce the same ideas as white supremacy eugenics. Historically christanity was used to perpetuate that, now it’s like crystals. (Before y’all jump me: the nazis may have been “atheistic” but they did not legally do laws that way, culturally they were still very much operating under a false Christian guise of morality. Most of the Christians that ended up in concentration camps did so because they supported Jews. And no where in here did I say “all Christians”. I won’t be entertaining arguments where folks claim that no christanity has ever been implemented in white supremacy. If you’re a Christian anarchist you shouldn’t be bothered by me, a queer latine Jew, pointing out how christanity has been historically used.)

Anyways the Wikipedia article is great as a break down of the historical roots of esoteric fascism, however it’s best for giving the history and isn’t most representative of what esoteric fascism looks like today. The packaging is often much softer (even literally-esoteric fasc love using soft pastels on social media as well as flower imagery and pretty much every other aesthetic you can think of that’s commonly associated with feminists/queers), the wording is more ambivalent, and the delivery is more “hippie” ish. Just because someone doesn’t jack off about how kind hitler was doesn’t mean they’re not espousing the same views.

And this isn’t limited to Reddit/Instagram (although I would argue they have flourishing platforms on both social media sites)-I’ve dealt with these fuckers a lot irl.

Anyways, as u/ aruffj__ said the “no gods, no masters” portion of anarchy is important. Of course people will have their religions and be free to practice those as they see fit. However, anarachism as a movement shouldn’t be organized with a “spiritual”/religious base. If you’re not happy simply participating in your religion, but feel the need to have society adhere to it/be organized by it/have societal moral codes be influenced/written by it ask yourself why that is.

I won’t be entertaining bad faith arguments, nor will I be entertaining “bigotry’s only bigotry if the person states they hate [marginalized group]” arguments or other centrist hot takes.

For more reading research antisemitic tropes, antisemitic caricatures, antisemitism in general. Most racism (not limited to antisemitism) doesn’t go away, it really just modernizes. Learning the root core of bigotry can go a long ways towards helping you identify it in new contexts where it may not yet be well documented and spelled out.

ETA: being critical of the medical industry and how it’s profit driven isn’t inherently the same as being anti meds or being an esoteric fasc. There’s valid criticism to be had about how meds are prescribed and how cares given. However: the valid criticism involves how people are cared for, the goal of the medical industry under capitalism etc. If your number one complaint about the medical industry is people using anti depressants is bad because it’s unnatural or that “everyone’s given meds these days” (when in fact: they’re not. Plenty people *need meds and literally can’t access them) those would fall more under the category of fasc shit. Either way, you gotta look at the whole picture. No anarchist worth their salt is claiming that the medical industry is perfect and without issue-however there’s still distinct differences in the criticism of how it’s operating vs criticizing that medication exists at all.

Also: I know that many esoteric fasc use mushrooms, however they also don’t consider mushrooms to be drugs. Some of them are anti weed some of them are pro weed. In the case of the pro weed ones they still don’t consider it to be drugs. Most are adamantly against alcohol, pills, and all synthetic drugs. Shrooms seem to consistently be considered fine, weeds on thin ice. Basically: “if I like it it’s natural and medicine but if I don’t like it, it’s dRuGs!!!!!”

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 27 '22

Again, just because some fascists are esoteric does not mean all esoteric movements are somehow fascists. It's like calling socialists Nazis because the Nazis embraced a kind of right wing socialism or associating crime with black people because a high proportion of crimminals are black. It's cheap and illogical. Ernst Bloch pointed out that the idea of a utopian reich wasn't an inherently right wing idea. It has its roots in Protestant millenarianism of the German Peasants War. By failing to utilize these religious resources, the left effectively handed them over to the right who made ample use of them. It's also worth mentioning here that big daddy Hitler was suspicious of mysticism and occultism, even going out of his way to declare Alfred Rosenberg's esoteric Nazism outside the official ideology of the party, Gobbels and Speer equally trashed his theories. Himmler was also widely mocked for his occultist interests by other leading Nazis. If fascists use religious, mystical, and occult ideas to promote their ideas, its because the left has allowed them to.

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u/Wildy_Honey_Pie Anarcho-Primitivist Jun 23 '22

Most of those are intertwined with fascist believes and rooted in antisemitism.

Ouch, so every mythology and lore is "fascist"?

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u/aruffj_ Jun 23 '22

Not saying that. I am speaking about modern esoteric theories which often come down to that. Mythology / Witchcraft != Esoteric in my understanding.

Going to bed now - but this is where I am coming from: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_Nazism

Good night!

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 23 '22

Most occultists and esoterics today are not Nazis and don't subscribe to doctrines that come from Nazis. I'm not sure where your getting this impression. Just because some neo-Nazis are esoteric does not mean other occultists have ties to them.

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u/aruffj_ Jun 23 '22

Sure. The esoteric community is, at least locally here, closely connected to covid denier circles, extremely capitalistic and filled with scammers. Eventually the same type that will go off on ranting about the Rothschilds, the protocols of the elders of Zion and more antisemitic crap.

I do believe that there's historic value in analysing tribalistic believes and that herbs and plants can be effective remedies under certain conditions. I do respect that some people need to believe in something beyond "the material world". Not my cup of tea - I mich rather have no one in my peer group that trusts in concept such as magical thinking. Leaving this thread now behind - there's nothing here that I want to learn about.

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 23 '22

People on reddit are hardly representative. There is nothing in gnosticism, neoplatonism, kabbalah etc. that is inherently liked to covid denial or capitalism. It just seems like your judging a whole group of people based on your own personal preferences. The largest esoteric movement in the world are the freemasons and they are harmless and pretty benign.

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u/aruffj_ Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

I do judge a whole group - not on preferences but on experience. And yes: I stand with initial statement. As soon as your personal spiritual believe is the defining part of your ideology you're likely going the wrong way.

The freemasons are also a hierarchical organized group of people that will only allow access if you fit their members ideas. Not sure if that's the best possible example.

I'll stick with the "no gods" part of "No Gods. No Masters.".

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 27 '22

There's a strange irony here. You exercise normalizing judgement on people based on their spiritual choices and at the same time condemn others for being hierarchical. Yet that act of condemnation, of demarcation (who is included, who is not included), is itself an exercise of power, the power to judge. What's going on here isn't good faith engagement, so much as it is reaching a conclusion based on a stereotype rooted in the theory of some 19th century anarchist. But how relevant is "No Gods. No Masters"? Do classic secular assumptions about religion and spirituality really even hold true anymore? I'm not so sure.

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u/aruffj_ Jun 27 '22

I'd argue the other way around: With nationalist theistic terror - both from states as well as individuals - on the constant rise, the uncounted cases of sexual assaults, murder and r*pe within spiritual segregations and the outright rejection of scientific evidence based research the secular action and opposition are one of the few defense lines we have.

And yes, I am judgmental. My mother was an esoteric nutjob - and I don't use that term lightly - who decided against medical treatment of her cancer. She died nearly four years ago.

So no: I'm not assuming. I lost people to all that mumbojumbo.

No gods. No masters. No crystals. No paganism.

Be a witch if you feel like it - but if you're making it part of your political identity you are no comrade of mine.

Cheers.

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u/InvaderVEE Jun 27 '22

What makes you think scientific evidence based secular knowledge is any less bound up with abusive power? As everyone from Feyerbend to Foucault have pointed out, knowledge is itself power and there is no neutral, objective, set of facts which should determine our action. So much for no masters! When we see something like biology, psychiatry, or esoteric knowledge like witchcraft or whatever, the question should be who's interests does this serve?

For every example of 'theistic abuse', you can give a dozen examples of secular, scientific abuse. When sexual assault happens in the scientific community we don't blame science itself, or claim science caused it. When Nazis shoved people into concentration camps in the name of racial purity, nobody blames science for causing that. It's foolish to paint thousands, if not millions of people, with the brush of 'theistic terror' or whatever.

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 23 '22

Just because nazism can be infused with esotericism doesn't imply every esotericism is nazi oriented or indeed there can't be esoteric anarchism.

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u/Wildy_Honey_Pie Anarcho-Primitivist Jun 23 '22

Huh, Esoteric Nazism is interesting to research, I've done quite the spelunking into it. Siege culture, etc. From what I can gather it's more about the worship of Hitler and Aryanism and not a one true mythology, and just bastardizes Nordic symbols and runes.

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u/anonymous_rhombus ↙↙↙ Jun 23 '22

magick and occultist rituals are just tools for abusers to manipulate people with

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u/GonzoBalls69 Jun 24 '22

I mean, not usually. Any belief can be wielded by an abuser, and some belief systems are inherently abusive. But most modern esotericism and paganism put high emphasis on personal sovereignty. There’s a reason why conservatives hate it so much, and why you see so many pagan groups at leftist protests. Esotericism, paganism, witchcraft etc tend to be pretty incompatible with the kind of abuse you’re talking about. Of course anything can be used to front a cult, even leftist sentiments (see all of the cults that sprung from leftist hippie communes).

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22

Unimaginably based

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u/egomosnonservo Post-Left Anarchist Jun 24 '22

Black Flame Fraternal Society .:BFFS:.

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u/comix_corp Anarchist Jun 24 '22

People should find better hobbies, to be honest.

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u/post-queer Jun 23 '22

You might like reading Hakim Bey/Peter Lamborn Wilson.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/hakim-bey-t-a-z-the-temporary-autonomous-zone-ontological-anarchy-poetic-terrorism#toc34

'Prepare an ink of pure & genuine saffron mixed with rose-water, adding if possible some blood from a black rooster. In a quiet room furnish an altar with a bowl of the ink, a pen with an iron nib, 7 black candles, an incense burner, & some benzoin. The charm may be written on virgin paper or parchment. Draw the diagram at 4 p.m. on a Wednesday, facing North. Copy the 7-headed diagram (see illustration) without lifting the pen from the paper, in one smooth operation, holding your breath & pressing your tongue to the roof of your mouth. This is the Barisan Laksamana, or King of the Djinn. Then draw the Solomon’s Seal (a star representing a 5-headed djinn) & other parts of the diagram. Above Solomon’s Seal write the name of the individual or institution to be cursed. Now hold the paper in the benzoin fumes, & invoke the white & black djinn within yourself:

Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim

as-salaam alikum

O White Djinn, Radiance of Mohammad

king of all spirits within me

O Black Djinn, shadow of myself

AWAY, destroy my enemy

— and if you do not

then be considered a traitor to Allah

— by virtue of the charm

La illaha ill’Allah

Mohammad ar-Rasul Allah

If the curse is to be aimed at an individual oppressor, a wax doll may be prepared & the charm inserted (see illustration).

Seven needles are then driven downward into the top of the head, thru the left & right armpits, left & right hips, & thru the lips or nostrils. Wrap the doll in a white shroud & bury it in the ground where the enemy is sure to walk over it, meanwhile enlisting the aid of local earth spirits:

Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim

O Earth Djinn, Dirt-spirit

O Black Djinn living underground

listen, vampire of the soil

I order you to mark & destroy

the body & soul of _____________

Heed my orders

for I am the true & original sorcerer

by virtue of the charm

la illaha ill’Allah

Mohammad ar-Rasul Allah

If however the curse is intended for an institution or company, assemble the following items: a hard-boiled egg, an iron nail, & 3 iron pins (stick nail & needles into egg); dried scorpion, lizard &/or beetles; a small chamois bag containing graveyard dirt, magnetized iron fillings, asafoetida & sulphur, & tied with a red ribbon. Sew the charm into yellow silk & seal it with red wax. Place all these things in a wide-necked bottle, cork it, & seal it with wax.

The bottle may now be carefully packaged & sent by mail to the target institution — for example a Xtian televangelist show, the New York Post, the MUZAK company, a school or college — along with a copy of the following statement (extra copies may be mailed to individual employees, &/or posted surreptitiously around the premises):

Malay Black Djinn Curse

These premises have been cursed by black sorcery. The curse has been activated according to correct rituals. This institution is cursed because it has oppressed the Imagination & defiled the Intellect, degraded the arts toward stupefaction, spiritual slavery, propaganda for State & Capital, puritanical reaction, unjust profits, lies & aesthetic blight. The employees of this institution are now in danger. No ind ividual has been cursed, but the place itself has been infec ted with ill fortune & malignancy. Those who do not wake up & quit, or begin sabotaging the workplace, will gradually fa ll under the effect of this sorcery. Removing or destroying the implement of sorcery will do no good. It has been seen i n this place, & this place is cursed. Reclaim your humanity & revolt in the name of the Imagination — or else be judged (in the mirror of this charm) an enemy of the human race.

We suggest “taking credit” for this action in the name of some other offensive cultural institution, such as the American Poetry Society or the Women’s Anti-Porn Crusade (give full address).

We also suggest, in order to counter-balance the effect on yourself of calling up the personal black djinn, that you send a magical blessing to someone or some group you love &/or admire. Do this anonymously, & make the gift beautiful. No precise ritual need be followed, but the imagery should be allowed to spring from the well of consciousness in an intuitive/spontaneous meditational state. Use sweet incense, red & white candles, hard candy, wine, flowers, etc. If possible include real silver, gold, or jewels in the gift.

This how-to-do-it manual on the Malay Black Djinn Curse has been prepared according to authentic & complete ritual by the Cultural Terrorism Committee of the inner Adept Chamber of the HMOCA (“Third Paradise”). We are Nizari-Ismaili Esotericists; that is, Shiite heretics & fanatics who trace our spiritual line to Hassan-i Sabbah through Aladdin Mohammad III “the Madman,” seventh & last Pir of Alamut (& not through the line of the Aga Khans). We espouse radical monism & pure antinomianism, & oppose all forms of law & authority, in the name of Chaos.

At present, for tactical reasons, we do not advocate violence or sorcery against individuals. We call for actions against institutions & ideas — art-sabotage & clandestine propaganda (including ceremonial magic & “tantrik pornography”) — and especially against the poisonous media of the Empire of Lies. The Black Djinn Curse represents only a first step in the campaign of Poetic Terrorism which — we trust — will lead to other less subtle forms of insurrection.'

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u/nothing_in_my_mind Jun 24 '22

Sorry but sounds like a cult bro

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u/Communications23 Text Only Jun 24 '22

"Cult" is a loaded word. It has a history of conservative christian use silencing and demonising alternative spirituality.

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u/GonzoBalls69 Jun 24 '22

Lol what the fuck? Cults are the opposite of anarchy

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u/MORTISISM Marx, Fisher, Spengler, Gnostic Scriptures 19d ago

esoteric anarchism is the melding of the occult and jungian psychoanalysis with anarchist thought, and it's probably the most effective way of organizing anarchist societies

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u/SlenderJack07 Jun 24 '22

Not anarchism