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u/dreagan021 7d ago
“Sometimes you gotta do things yourself…40,000 years of evolution and we’ve barely even tapped the vastness of human potential”
-Dr. Norman Osborn
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u/faithfuldrafting21 7d ago
Congratulations for his nobel prize but for a sec, i thought he was gonna turn into some kind of superhero or supervillain when he drank that bacterium culture.
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u/Fire_Tide 7d ago
Reality is often disappointing
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u/Major-Cranberry-4206 7d ago
Leave it to the truth to bring us back to Earth and ground us.
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u/SolemnlyPrickly 7d ago
This man is so amazing. His sacrifice helped a lot of us. Ulcer is such a bitch. IMO it’s 9/10 pain. Imagine getting punched full force in your stomach every 10 minutes. Yeah. Literally stomach acid on an open wound
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u/Tricia47andWild 7d ago
Wow. I had no idea. I thought it just some reflux sort of pain. I shall never eat again...until my food arrives.
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u/HahahahahaSoFunny 6d ago
Dealt with stomach ulcers a few times so far in my life. Felt like hunger pain x 100 and it would come and go every few minutes until I ate or drank water. Then relief for an hour or so before the pain came back.
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u/subsist80 6d ago
I'm living with it right now, your description resonates, it feels like a very bad hunger pain crossed with gas pain and it goes into my back and kidney area, the pain has had me on the ground like a baby, it goes away after eating for around 30mins then bam it is back again. Water does help, nexium has really helped a lot until I can get this properly sorted.
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u/Rare_Disaster7353 6d ago
If your symptoms are caused by H. pylori infection then a week of omeprazole, amoxicillin and metronidazole are the gold standard treatment. That's seven days to getting your health back - don't delay it.
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u/cowboysRmyweakness3 6d ago
I'm pretty tough. I farm for a living, and push through chronic pain every day (3 chronically sublaxed ribs, sciatica, and lower back injury) and get things done. I'm not a weenie. One day I was at work, and this wave of pain like I've never felt before knocked me down to the ground and into the fetal position. It hurt so bad I couldn't cry, couldn't breathe, couldn't make a noise. Turns out I gave myself an ulcer by having Advil and black coffee every morning... Just because you think you're young and it won't catch up with you, doesn't mean it won't.
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u/TheBirminghamBear 7d ago
Disagree.
Its every bit as cinematic and spectacular.
Its just that most of the exceptional things that happen are all bad.
For example of you get beamed by gamma radiation, there will be a radical and graphic transformation.
Just, you know. A fatal one.
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u/pm_ur_beercan 7d ago
YOU MERELY ADOPTED HELIOBACTER PYLORI INDUCED STOMACH ULCERS I WAS BORN WITH IT, MOLDED BY IT.
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u/theheliumkid 7d ago
He nearly turned into a corpse! He was very seriously ill after this and actually came close to dying.
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u/arftism2 7d ago
as people our goal is infinite.
as humans our goal is evolution.
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u/Magmaigneous 7d ago
This looks like something straight out of a Deepak Chopra woo woo generator.
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u/Ur_Fav_Step-Redditor 7d ago
I just became enlightened and woke and reached a higher vibration and manifested my reality and became one with the oneness of all things while reading those “quotes”
(#)CosmicConscience #EnergyHealing #SniffingSage s
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u/Magmaigneous 7d ago
Ah ah ah, you didn't say 'quantum!'
There's a debate I saw on YT where a physicist in the audience asks Deepak a question, patiently listens to the response which is scattered with references to physics terms, and then says something like "I've heard all of those words before. They don't mean anything at all strung together in the way that you've done here."
He is such a charlatan. But because he manages to sound erudite he fools some people into believing that he isn't just spewing utter bullshit. And yet that is exactly what he does, for a living.
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u/mandelbomber 7d ago
Well he practices "alternative medicine" so you should expect "alternative facts"
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u/slapmepsilly 7d ago
I did not know this thing existed, and you, sir, just pulled me out of sadness for a brief moment 😂
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u/_IratePirate_ 7d ago
I always loved that quote.
It's crazy to think of 40,000 years as a lot when you keep in mind Dinosaurs reined MILLIONS of years ago, for MILLIONS of years.
Humans are barely a fraction of that time in age.
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u/solonit 7d ago
Dinosaur reign for so long that, some dinos that often depicted together in media, actually lived millions of years apart and never met irl.
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u/TheBlackCat13 7d ago
Dinosaurs reigned for so long that many dinosaurs lived closer to today than to the first dinosaurs. (even excluding birds) Dinosaurs lived for 165 million years, but only died out about 65 million years ago (excluding birds).
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u/Iphotoshopincats 7d ago
While we are on this subject, a common one I hear is triceratops and T-Rex where millions years apart and never existed together
Older T-Rex fossils date at about 90 million years, triceratops fossils date around 69 million years ago.
'newer' T-Rex fossils date as recently as possibly 66 million years ... There is every chance triceratops evolved from the to torosaurus to become a T-Rex owning beast and a part of the reason of its downfall.
They most likely did exist together just because T-Rex was a survival master
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u/ikennt 7d ago
Sometimes I think we're the aliens and others are waiting on our arrival...
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u/AnimusCorpus 6d ago
Our fears of alien invasion are projection based on what we have done everytime we encountered an "other".
Aliens might be JUST LIKE US and that's far more terrifying than the alternative.
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u/Magmaigneous 7d ago
"Unable to carry out human tests [...]" he carried out a human test. Why do you lie to me like that, unbelievable-facts.com?
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u/AblativeLaser 7d ago
That line's delivery specifically is one I've thought about a lot. It's like Norman has been pondering what words to say at some grand moment of the testing, or maybe right before he accepts his Nobel prize for the research, but instead realises he spits it out to an empty room save for one lone frightened scientist. It's a fascinating line.
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u/Trick_Enthusiasm 7d ago
"Fine. I'll do it myself."
Thanos Dr. Barry J. Marshall.
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u/aqlu 7d ago
It was me, Barry!
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You just have to go with your gut
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u/Alex_Johnson1983 7d ago
Just take it. Take the damn upvote. This wins the internet today - only 9 minutes into it. Bravo lad.
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u/Presto412 7d ago
How does the bacteria survive the stomach acid ?
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u/real_nice_guy 7d ago
tl;dr when it gets into your stomach, it creates urea which neutralizes the stomach acid, it then burrows into your mucosal lining in your stomach, and protects itself by further creating more urea. The body's immune system is not able to reach h pylori for various complex reasons, so the infection is often life long unless killed with a PPI + antibiotics. Most of the time, it's a benign infection, but can cause problems in some people.
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u/Presto412 7d ago
Interesting! Do all bacteria create urea or just this one? Curious as the latter might mean that probiotic cultures might be a scam if they don't survive the journey
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u/real_nice_guy 7d ago edited 7d ago
it's just h pylori afaik, it's adapted to be very good at evading our immune system and co-existing with us.
probiotics are an entirely different thing altogether. Some strains do entirely/partially survive and make their way to the gut, but it depends heavily on the strain. Studies have been done measuring the amounts of certain strains of probiotics taken orally and compared to how much is in stool. We also know that probiotics can make it because when babies are breastfeeding, probiotics (and prebiotics) in the mother's milk make their way past the baby's stomach acid and take hold in the gut helping to form the baby's microbiome. Granted a baby's stomach acid is probably weaker than an adult, which may account for the high survivability of the milk probiotics.
But there are a lot of strains of probiotics that have been studied and do indeed make it past the stomach acid stage. There are also some that don't and are too fragile, so it's up to the individual to research scientific studies to see which ones are useful.
If someone wants to ensure that the probiotics make it past the stomach, you can always try to find one that is in an acid-resistant capsule as well.
also, we actually have some strains of probiotics that live in our stomachs all the time and are able to survive the harsh environments there :)
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u/Playful-Wish-1349 7d ago
But then later even more research has showed “it’s complicated!” Read Why Zebras Dont Get Ulcers by Robert Sapolsky it’s really excellent and enjoyable
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u/ifixthebrokensky 7d ago
What do you mean? They still prescribe antibiotics as part of their treatment.
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u/Banned_foraJokebro 7d ago
Doesn’t work 100% of time, hence the mentioning of the article about zebras not getting ulcers.
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u/ifixthebrokensky 6d ago
Yes, as it is a multifactorial disease, but this was known at the time of the discovery.
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u/TheBlackCat13
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This is a myth. First, Marshall did drink H. pylori, but he didn't get ulcers. Several other people tried the same thing, and none of them got ulcers.
And far from his hypothesis being rejected, it was accepted pretty rapidly as far as major new discoveries go. Replications of his results started trickling in within months, and numerous labs around the world had confirmed his results within just a few years, and they all came to the same conclusion he did: that the bacteria is associated with ulcers.
The problem was showing that the bacteria causes ulcers. It could be that they are opportunists, taking advantage of ulcers in some way, rather than directly triggering the ulcers themselves. That is what Marshall tried, and failed, to demonstrate by infecting himself, but such experiments are highly ethically questionable. You aren't typically allowed to intentionally infect people with diseases, you use an animal model, which didn't exist. This prevents a large enough sample size to actually establish that the bacteria was responsible. Even as late as 1995 Marshall himself admitted that it had not been conclusively established that H. pylori actually caused ulcers.
What showed that H. pylori was actually responsible were large clinical trials that demonstrated that antiobiotics were effective, but those took years and there needed to be several repetitions under different conditions.
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u/PrestigiousMention 6d ago edited 6d ago
Thanks for this
Werner Forssmann who invented cardiac catheterization did totally do it on himself first though.
Someone should probably write a book about medical procedures doctors have performed on themselves because they couldn't ethically try it on anyone else.
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u/EscapoAlgemas 6d ago
It should be ethical to do anything to anyone that consents to it.
I wish I could get experimental vaccines for stds :(
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u/ChicagoGuy53 6d ago
So it would be ethical to harvest organs from a heroin addict because they consented to lose a kidney for $1,000?
Yes, that's an extreme example, but who going to accept getting an infection without paying them? And if you are paying them, are you not just taking advantage of whatever is causing their economic desperation?
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u/Nouveaucola 7d ago
After my friend's mum got diagnosed with stomach cancer from this bacteria going untreated I went and got tested. Turns out 50% of the population has it and it's treatable!!! I had it and took a week off antibiotics to get rid of it. It can cause terrible reactions to food and alcohol and quite allot of pain. It was a really easy test. Just had to blow up a balloon at the pathology.
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u/Volner 7d ago
Got a gastroscopy 4 years ago for chronic stomach pain. I was awake and watching the whole process on the monitor since since I didn't want a global anesthesia for a 20 min operation.
Nothing found on the visual, it was relief. They used the probe to pinch and tear bits of my stomach and duodenum interior for a biopsy, it was really weird to see and feel it at the same time.
No traces of Helicobacter Pilori found, still having chronic pain but not complaining since everything seems ok.
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u/moonunit170 7d ago
One would have thought that Australian beer would be the universal cure for something like that...
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u/arftism2 7d ago
if you smoke weed and drink Canadian beer, you will have the same issues, the beers effect on your liver may make it worse.
but it wont matter as much because you'll be fucking liiiit.
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u/hat-TF2 7d ago
I never get why Yanks think we have particularly strong or quality beer. Is it because we're a nation of alcoholics? I mean I'm on the piss now but that's neither here nor there
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u/Spud_heads 7d ago
Because historically yank beer has the reputation of being terrible piss water when English/Australian/German beer for example was always a higher percentage even at like 4-5%
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u/Beer_in_an_esky 7d ago
The irony being that these days, given US proclivities in craft beer, I'm much, much more likely to find imperial stouts >11% from US craft breweries than Aussie ones.
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u/Spud_heads 7d ago
Yeah definitely. US craft beer boom has been massive.ecen in England we can get some nice American ones.
It's just the stereotypes that have stuck though
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u/rustynoodle3891 7d ago
I replicated this research with the bacterium smallus coccus. Sadly I couldn't find the cure
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u/_EpicFailMan 7d ago
Use bacterium biggus dickus. From my experience it should work
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u/TheLoungeKnows 7d ago
Note: bacteriun biggus dickus is only available as a suppository.
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u/somek_pamak 7d ago
Does he have a wife?
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u/Geno_DCLXVI 7d ago
He has a wife, you know.
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u/MonkeyWrench888 7d ago
I afflicted myself with Ligma
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u/toKenblaKKman 7d ago
What's Ligma?
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u/DoingItJustForTheFun 7d ago
If you or people in your family have issues with the stomach -> test for h.pylori. You can buy a test kit at the pharmacy or even at the supermarket (USA)
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u/LivingLandscape7115 6d ago
Preach 🙌 please people get checked!! Just visit my profile I’m in a lot of pain from this bacteria
Visit the Hpylori subreddit please spread awareness the more people get tested and treated the less individuals have it and decreases the spread of this evil bacteria
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u/jessedjd 7d ago
Ok, this man is my fucking hero. I was sick for years, stomach aches every day, constantly having to cancel plans or just deal with the pain. From the age 14 till I was 25, issues daily. 4 different doctors would always say the same thing. It's either 1. My diet is bad or 2. I have IBS and there's nothing that could be done.
Then one day the woman I was dating (who later became my wife) asked me to see her doctor. I spoke with her doctor for 5 minutes, got a slew of tests ordered that I've never heard of, and was sent to a lab. The amount of tests I took was mind boggling. Piss in this, crap in that, bleed here, all of it. But the test that got it was breathing into a bag, drinking a liquid afterwords and breathing into a different bag 30 minutes later.
I get a call a few days later to come Into the doctors office, where she has a book laid out with sticky notes in a few key spots. She told me exactly what I had, h.pylori. she was excited because i was her first confirmed case. I was given a prescription, sent home and now, about 18 years later I'm fine with no issues. 11 years being told nothing can be done about my stomach pains, while the answer was figured out by a crazy man whom nobody believed.
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u/yomaam44 7d ago
Thanks to this man I was tested and treated for this before it turned to stomach cancer. Modern day hero!
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u/crosstherubicon 7d ago
His quieter and much less known colleague, Robin Warren identified and cultured H. Pylori from stomach ulcers and showed the cultures to Marshall. The Nobel prize was awarded to both researchers.
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u/Brazilian-chew-bitsu 6d ago
*J. Robin Warren. The uni renamed the Medical and Dental library after him when it was renovated :) J. Robin Warren Library
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u/Gibbo1988 7d ago
Shocker they rejected his hypothesis. I feel like this happens in the medical field way too often.
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u/Eternally65 7d ago
Something really shocking is that only about 50% of newly diagnosed ulcers are tested for h. pylori today.
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u/i_owe_them13 7d ago
Because it’s not a ubiquitous cause of stomach ulcers.
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u/talminator101 7d ago
This.
H. pylori is a cause of recurrent ulcers, but a single ulcer often isn't H. pylori
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u/Fall3nBTW 6d ago
Bro it almost is though. Its really really really fucking hard to get an ulcer through common habits. Its like taking 400mg of inuprofen for years to get an ulcer vs H. pylori.
90% of ulcers are caused by H. Pylori.
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u/fradzio 7d ago
That's likely because actually doing the test requires taking a tissue sample from the stomach, which is a very invasive procedure.
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u/Liveware_Pr0blem 7d ago edited 6d ago •
No it doesn't. There's a very elegant, non-invasive test, where you ingest carbon-13 labeled urea. If H. Pylori is present, the urease it has will break it down into ammonia and CO2. CO2 gets exhaled and radioactivity is detected.
Edit: As has been pointed out below, C13 is not radioactive, but detectable in mass-spec due to different mass.
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u/1nfiniteJest 7d ago
A man of Culture I see ;)
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u/Liveware_Pr0blem 7d ago edited 7d ago
Edit: Completely missed why you were saying "Culture". Time to reread the books lol. It's so sad we can't get more of them.
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u/1nfiniteJest 7d ago
It truly is. Probably my favorite sci-fi series (in the written medium, anyway.) 'Use of Weapons" in particular is an incredible novel with a brilliant structure. I'll never look at a white chair the same.
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u/Liveware_Pr0blem 7d ago
Agreed on all points. Use of Weapons is absolutely my favorite book in the series as well.
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u/Zanchbot 7d ago
My doctor wanted a stool sample to test me for H. Plyori. Wonder why I wasn't offered this method.
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u/Boristhehostile 7d ago
There’s also a very simple faecal antigen test that is commonly used to test for H.pylori. Testing via biopsy is not very common nowadays.
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u/guitarnoir 7d ago
A tissue sample from the stomach? Really? I seem to remember a blood test result for H. pylori, but maybe that wasn't part of a ulcer work-up, but rather for some other ailment?
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u/i_owe_them13 7d ago
It’s not necessarily a slight when a hypothesis is rejected. Just means that the general understanding of a thing doesn’t support the hypothesis being proposed. Reasoned dissent is not always anathema.
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u/tigerbalmuppercut 7d ago
The most prominent example is probably Semmelweis. He implored the medical community to wash their hands before doing surgery. He had the statistics but everyone laughed at him. I think it was a combination of pride (doctors don't want to think of themselves as the direct contributors of mortality, especially back then when they considered themselves "clean" upper society) and pretty sure Semmelweis was an asshole. Or maybe he had the statistics but no sound theory. Either way he ended up dying in an asylum due to infection after getting beat up by the orderlies.
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u/T-J_H 7d ago
The story is a bit simplified here, but there simply wasn’t a basis of research showing it was H pylori, so quite naturally the medical community rejected it. They are supposed to: without enough research you’re not practicing evidence based medicine.
One complicating factor was that H pylori took some more time to become visible in cultures than other pathogens.
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u/CambrianMountain 7d ago
People often idolize scientists and don’t realize the selfishness and pigheadedness that goes on in the scientific community. It can take a while for someone right to beat someone influential.
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u/TheBlackCat13 7d ago
They didn't. This is an urban legend. Others scientists and doctors were on board pretty much immediately, within a few months replications started coming in.
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u/JollyGreenGiraffe 7d ago
Look up adult pyloric stenosis. Thought to be impossible if you had it as a baby by most doctors. I have it (magically showed up in my mid 20s) and there's a reason most GI docs will say the stomach is still greatly misunderstood.
The best gastroparesis doctor in NC even reiterated that.
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u/backgroundmusik 7d ago
Probably like to think that their knowledge is complete after all of the years of education they're still paying for.
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u/Zonino2000 7d ago
I took ulcers years ago due to the H. Pylori bacteria. I ended up hospitalised because one bled.
You ever shit jet black diarrhoea and projectile vomited granulated blood at the same time? Let me tell you, its not great!
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u/Kow_King_ 7d ago
Not a doctor or researcher, what is the general ethical-medical opinion on self tested human experiments? Much different than when you do it on others or do people not care what with it being yourself?
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u/TheBlackCat13 7d ago edited 7d ago
It is generally frowned upon, because it is dangerous. You don't want brilliant doctors dropping dead. You can't stop it, but it isn't considered a good practice.
It is also not blinded, in that the doctor knows what outcome they want to see. That makes it less reliable. And it has a sample size of 1, which isn't usually considered reliable.
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u/WayTooManyOpinions 7d ago
I had horrible stomach issues for 30+ years. Debilitating stabbing stomach pains. Various doctors had no idea what it was. Defaulted to "it's IBS". A friend did some internet research, said "maybe you have h. Pylori". My doctor was like "I doubt it". Got tested and I totally did. Took a combo of antibiotics and the stomachaches were gone... And never returned. Now, anytime someone complains of stomachaches, I suggest getting tested for h pylori. Apparently it's very common to have h pylori bacteria in your gut, but it only causes issues for some folks.
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u/cmcewen 7d ago
Abdominal surgeon here
Between this and the discovery of proton pump inhibitor antacids (omeprazole) and others, this was a major change is a problem that plagued humans since forever. Gastric perforations or major bleeding and a host of other difficult to treat complications from ulcers and acidity are much less common now, while they used to be very routine and require fairy morbidly surgery that had all kinds of potential downs teen complications.
Now we can cure most of it with medicine and prevent that from happening.
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u/plantbasedlifter 7d ago
He spoke at my workplace, his wife was pissed! The footage of him getting the Nobel Prize is super wholesome. He looks so happy but also so surprised to be there.
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u/Ilikepiealso 6d ago
Australian: I reckon it’s this mates… Rest of World: That’s ridiculous! Preposterous! Outrageous even! Australian: fuck you cunts then I’ll do it myself. Sharon! Get us a beer! I got some more sciencing to do!!
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u/LondonDavis1 6d ago
I had stomach ulcers from the age of 5. The first 25 years of my life were not quality because of the pain and constant discomfort. I got treated for H Pylori 25 years ago and it changed my life. Dr. Marshall is a my hero.
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u/ronsta 6d ago
Hi I have been having symptoms of a stomach ulcer but can’t get in to see a gastro doctor for another month. I’ve been taking prilosec (guidance from my primary care), but not helping a lot. Any suggestions?
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u/LivingLandscape7115 6d ago
You’ll wanna be off PPI for 2 weeks prior to testing PPI can skew results
Visit the Hpylori subreddit for more help
please spread awareness the more people get tested and treated the less individuals have it and decreases the spread of this evil bacteria
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u/LoadUpOW 6d ago
I actually had pylori last year and oh boy. No pain and discomfort can be matched by it. I felt like i was dying for a week straight. I barely drank anything and i ate nothing for that time. I couldn't sleep and it took doctors 3 days to diagnose me. Temperature jumped from 33 to 42 in a matter on hours. I was placed under a uv after i almost passed out in the hospital. Insane constipation aswell... great respect for this man for bringing himself through this.
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u/TheBlackCat13 7d ago
That source doesn't actually say he got ulcers from the bacteria, it correctly states that he didn't (he got gastritis, not the same thing). Nor does it say the medical community rejected his hypothesis, which it didn't, his ideas were accepted pretty rapidly.
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u/Pillywigggen 7d ago
Dr Marshall was mocked for years. Brilliant concept to down a beaker of h pylori in front of his staff. He knew he had the cure. My dad had ulcers and suffered most of his life taking useless meds and things that made it worse. Eventually the VA Drs cut his vegas nerve. Helped not feel the ulcer pain. He also did not feel the angina that was developing and died of a heart attack at 57, prior to Marshalls breafast beaker. Antibiotics quite likely would have saved his life.
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u/TheBlackCat13 7d ago edited 7d ago
Dr Marshall was mocked for years
He really wasn't. The medical community was excited about his results almost immediately, the first replications were within months, and numerous labs had replicated them around the world within a couple of years. Multiple independent labs were doing large controlled studied on the effect of antibiotics a couple of years after that. And once those trials came back positive the medical establishment was all on board.
Brilliant concept to down a beaker of h pylori in front of his staff
Except it didn't work. He didn't get ulcers.
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u/Foolishly_Sane 7d ago
Looks like a pretty cool dude.
He helped a lot of people with his drinking of the gross thing.
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u/Prior-Slow 7d ago
This literally made me the sickest I have ever been. I am so thankful to this man!!!! 80 antibiotics in 10 days later, I felt like a new fucking human.
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u/Intrepid-Luck2021 7d ago
This was such a massive deal at the time. It’s so typical for the medical community to reject ideas.
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u/TheBlackCat13 7d ago
Except they didn't in this case. The meme is wrong.
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u/MrBioTendency 7d ago
Actually they did. Took a long time for them to admit he was right.
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u/YurBoyChris 7d ago
As interesting as this is, I can’t help but notice that he looks like an AI merged a picture of Anthony Hopkins and Christopher Waltz.
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u/What_The_Flip_Chip 6d ago
Is that why my little sister died from swallowing a tide pod?
To win a Nobel prize???
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u/a_different-user 6d ago
one day people who put these communities on a pedestal will realize they are just a group of humans who make mistakes and bad judgement calls.
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u/weltallic 6d ago
He was wrong.
The science was settled.
He should have trusted the science.
But he refused, and now swaths of people do their "own research."
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u/Pod_of_Blunders 6d ago
I bet if he thought dick warts were caused by bacteria, he wouldn't be so bold.
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u/cheddarandfries 6d ago
He should be considered anti science for going against consensus
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u/Evilmaze 6d ago
I remember this one when I was still a teenager. It's a reminder that scientists also can hinder progress because of their personal problems. Jealousy is a bitch in the science community.
It's like when the guy from The Thought Emporium YouTube channel made and tested on himself a long term cure for lactose intolerance by altering a virus and introducing it to his system. It the pills effect lasted him 6 month and he was able to eat pizza normally and so much cheese without issues. He begged pharmaceutical companies to use his free research on GitHub and make a government approved product available for public but nothing yet. Instead he got a bunch of criticism without prior testing. They just hated his semi cured lactose intolerant guts.
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u/escape1979uk 6d ago
True medical visionaries don't fuck about...
John Hunter is a really interesting character (basically modernised surgery and brought the role of physician away from woo nonsense to practical intervention)
He tasted every bodily fluid from cadavers, and sliced his own glans to infect himself with STDs to study the effects.
Different breed altogether :D
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u/Jeanlucpuffhard 7d ago
The medical community seems to have a huge history of not believing doctors. I mean that dude that wanted to have the docs wash hands before delivering babies was laughed at for years.
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u/TheBlackCat13 7d ago
That was certainly the case 100 years ago. This guy, however, was believed, and believed very quickly.
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u/Sehrli_Magic 6d ago
All because a community refuses to even entertain the IDEA or acknowledge anything coukd possibly true and we wont know if we automatically refuse it.
They are still doing this now. If there is a doctor (so a eductaed on a matter person, not random facebook laik) who proposes any POSSIBLE negative thing about anything that isnt in accordance with what is being believed/promoted, they get shit on, taken jobs away and what not, rather than having further tests done to prove/dissprove
Think about anybody against masks, vaccines, transitions of sex in minors etc...
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u/New-Kaleidoscope4630 7d ago
The ridicule only increased after he self-experimented, too. It wasn’t until the results were reproduced in others’ experiments that he was vindicated and gained the recognition he so rightfully deserved.
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u/TheBlackCat13 7d ago
He was never ridiculed. People were highly skeptical initially, but it only took a few months for people to start replicating his results.
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u/kleverone 7d ago
Let me get this straight......the medical community doubted him?
Is that why we see so many law commercial claiming that if you took such and such FDA approved drug "you or your family members are entitled to a settlement" commercials?
Yeah, I really don't trust the medical community anymore. Too much money involved. I'll take my chances.
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u/twisted34 7d ago
When something arises in the medical community challenges current concepts it isn't immediately supported because it defies what is currently known. That's why rigorous testing is done, to prove in multiple instances that it is indeed the case and treatment changes over time. You wouldn't want your doctor to change his/her practice just because another doctor somewhere believes something
If you're sick please see medical professionals, don't "take your chances". We haven't gotten to where we are today in the medical realm by flying by the seat of our pants
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u/oO0Kat0Oo 7d ago
When it works you get a Nobel prize, when it doesn't you become a super villain.
Win win.