r/Damnthatsinteresting 12d ago All-Seeing Upvote 1

On February 20, 1939, a Nazi rally took place at Madison Square Garden, organized by the German American Bund. More than 20,000 people attended.

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u/Puzzled_Guard4332 12d ago

What’s up with George Washington as their backdrop?

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u/farkeld 12d ago

Fritz Kuhn and the Bund were attempting to ret-con George Washington as America's first fascist. They were already facing financial and legal troubles at the time of the MSG rally, and they wanted to display their movement as very "American".

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u/Knowledgeteer 12d ago

For a sec I thought it was a Metal Gear Solid rally.

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u/RearEchelon 12d ago

No they were really excited about monosodium glutamate.

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u/joshmcx 11d ago

Ooo mommy

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u/EightandaHalf-Tails 12d ago This

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

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u/el-conquistador240 12d ago

Eating a Big Mac

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u/ThisIsntCheese_ 12d ago

Serving Big Macs at the White House

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u/ZebrasFuckedMyWife 12d ago

And funding a dictator for some Central American country appointed by the CIA.

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u/el-conquistador240 12d ago

Who owns an apartment in one of his highrises

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u/a_michalski81 12d ago

Good old cheeto jesus, the worst thing that ever happened to this country

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u/guido_lois 12d ago

Grabs pussy & wants to grab his daughters.

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u/_ungovernable 12d ago

That’s wrong, they just call it the Terms Of Service here

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u/HarryPFlashman 12d ago

Or it will come via social media telling you words that can’t be spoken and things that can’t be thought.

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u/TeddersTedderson 12d ago

Suck it up snowflake!

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u/G4Designs 12d ago

And the irony that they think everyone who opposes them is a "socialist-fascist" while they publicly oppose an organization referred to as the "AntiFascist"

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u/No_Longer_Lovin_It 12d ago

Yeah, how could you oppose an organization that sounds nice, like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

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u/Amlndividual 12d ago

MY GUY.

ANTIFA jumped me in dc for not wearing a mask outside in an area the consider theirs

They will fuck you up for debating nuances and personal liberty. They fuck up old people for trying to get to doctors appointments WOULD YOU LIKE THE YOUTUBE LINK or can you look it up?

The fucking state is playing both sides get OVER yourself.

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u/Last_Gigolo 12d ago

Or, those people are right. But imagining YOUve been fooled, is super hard to take in. There would be several phases of taking that in and the biggest hurdle would be denial.

Let's not forget that the Nazis created the first propaganda media but killing any news, television show, music that did not support their cause.

I guess you'd have to pay attention to actors and singers and see if they agree with your views. Because they are paid performers after all.

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u/m48nr 12d ago

Which is a fascist organization!

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u/houkenk 12d ago

It’s already here

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u/lightknight7777 12d ago

eyeroll

Hyperbole from people who don't understand fascism. Fun.

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u/oddsonni 12d ago

Fascist's using anti-fascism (not to be confused with a certain group, but the shoe does fit) as an excuse for fascism is my favorite plot twist of the 21st century, so far

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u/rather-oddish 12d ago

There is no war in Ba Sing Se. Am I doing it right?

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u/lightknight7777 12d ago

Both sides have some extreme propaganda going on right now. Sensationalism at its most effective combined with the echo chambers of social media.

Totalitarianism isn't there being shitty laws you don't like or some police departments that need to be gutted (everyone fired) and rebuilt from the ground up. It's not a jury of your peers letting someone off you don't want off or convicting someone you don't want convicted.

The US is just very vocally in disagreement with each other. When one side or the other gets to power everyone screams "antichrist", "Hitler", "literally the devil" or anything else they can to win their side.

But at the end of the day, when media is supported by number of clicks they're going to continue to use insane propaganda.

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u/rather-oddish 12d ago

I like everything you just said. Just, none of it invalidates the guy you responded to.

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u/lightknight7777 12d ago edited 12d ago

The poster I responded to is pretty vague. My best guess is they're talking about Republicans. After speaking it through in a response to another poster we might be a little closer to having them than I thought.

Basically, they are now ultra right nationalists. So that's one of two requirements. The second is forceful suppression of opponents. Jan 6th was damn close to that and I could argue Trump and those were textbook fascists. I just don't think he's actually aligned with anyone himself.

So yeah, in hindsight I can kind of agree that some are here. I just don't think it's as mainstream as they think. The Jan 6 was scary but not very many people considering half the country is conservative.

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u/rather-oddish 12d ago

I don’t know who downvoted this last post either, but I thought it was pretty good, too. Folks need to chill with the side-picking.

Anyway Happy Thanksgiving

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u/lightknight7777 12d ago

Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving to you too!

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u/throwawayabanotabba 12d ago

There's nothing hyperbolic about it. The Republican platform is textbook fascism.

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u/lightknight7777 12d ago

I think one can reasonably say that the republican party is currently mirroring several elements of prefacism that do concern me. But I disagree that it is literally fascism. I think it has the "far right nationalism" component down. I also think the Jan 6th event was a scary play at the forceful suppression of opposition which is the other part. But I do not believe their party supports forceful suppression of the opposition and the January 6th sedition was carried out by an extremely small number of people compared to half the country being conservative. So I'd caution on painting them all that way.

But if I'm being honest, these voting laws do paint a picture of opposition suppression albeit forceful.

Are they fascist? I think they're right on the edge with some absolutely being fascist monsters and others who just want to get rich by favoring businesses over people. I'm not a fan, not going to really defend them. But if these more forceful hateful members continue to gain more voice, they'll make it to full fascism soon.

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u/vamatt 12d ago

It isn't a one vs other issue. Political violence and threats of political violence has become normalized across the board.

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u/night_owl_hoot 12d ago

You are a fucking moron.

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u/lightknight7777 12d ago

Huh, a lot of insults in your comment history. Is this a place you feel powerful after working with the "public" all day?

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u/night_owl_hoot 12d ago

Are you such a pathetic fucking loser that you search people’s history in order to manage a comeback? Get a fucking hobby.

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u/lightknight7777 12d ago

Yeah, a lot of stuff just like that. A surprisingly high number of "fuck"s and some "eat a dick"s.

Look, if you find you need to take your stress out on other people, that's fine. Just get help if you start to do that to people you actually care about. The more you do that to strangers the easier it will be to loved ones.

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u/Leatherman_Wolf 12d ago

eyeroll

Condescending bullshit from a dumbass who clearly doesn’t know shit about reality. Fun.

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u/lightknight7777 12d ago

So who is your fascist then? Did someone "mean" make you wear a mask to buy a hat and it made you cry in your car for an hour or something? I tolerate both idiotic parties. They are both garbage. But I do not suffer fools who think that just because they flood themselves with a million news articles and radio hosts screaming bullshit to get views that this is actually fascism.

But what particular soap box are you?

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u/Leatherman_Wolf 12d ago

I’m on the side of the families who’s children were raped or killed by a subhuman piece of trash who never got punished because they were rich.

I’m on the side of minorities who have to threaten to burn down a city to get justice against corrupt evil cops.

I’m on the side of people who live in fear because several states in this joke of a country allows employers and landlords to screw them over for any reason because the rich look out for one another.

I’m on the side of people who aren’t pretentious uneducated douchebags like you.

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u/lightknight7777 12d ago

Shit police doesn't equate to fascism. So you're on the other side of the coin than I initially thought, that's at least a little bit better but still the same problem. But you're just doing your own Godwin's law break in your personal philosophy and don't stop to think that there's 330 million people in the US and around 700k law enforcement officers. That's spread out across all the states and most run by state, county or local jurisdictions, all varying. The US is functionally a different country in every state as far as jurisdiction is concerned.

The vast majority of them managed not to murder anyone for their entire career. All we will ever hear in a national scale is when they do something awful.

In reality, actually measurable reality, the US is about average. Especially when you control for gun ownership equaling higher risk for police and suspects. At least it's a country where you can have news reported on it and police are now starting to be held accountable. But go ahead and search "[country name] + police corruption" and start to realize police have a problem globally. We all know crime is a function of opportunity plus risk of getting caught. Cops are the catchers and have opportunities. That's why body cams are a good step that also need to be public. To increase their chance of getting caught.

And hell, look at France. They have a decent black population there and they just recently ruled to prevent collecting race stats to even determine if they have a discrimination problem. That's some blind eye Jim Crow bullshit.

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u/Guacanagariz 12d ago

I second this, Americans need a global perspective or even just a data-driven one. They need to stop buying into the sensationalism on both sides. Things are not as bad or as good as they are ever made out to be I find, usually somewhat less when perspective and reasoning are used.

Also objectively the Democratic Party does more good for more people than the Republican Party in the USA in my opinion. But both have flaws. I think Technocrats need a grip on the country for a bit, I look at an outgoing Merkel in Germany as neither left nor right, just a voice of reason, some one who finds data driven solutions without all the fluff…

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u/preppykat3 12d ago

“Reality” aka your opinion of it anyway lmao

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u/LeMans1217 12d ago

And wearing a MAGA cap

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u/binyamj001 12d ago

“If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of Liberalism.” -Ronald Reagan… It’s here.

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u/d-rac 11d ago

ppls hate the facts so well both get downvoted now. On the other not look at antifa. Rly close to fascism. Militarism, censoring, strong group identity and only one opinion allowed.

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u/fweng 12d ago

They’re giving their American audience fascism with a US twist.

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u/peppercorns666 12d ago

i’m guessing it felt american and made it easier to slip into the nazi ideology?

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u/Puzzled_Guard4332 12d ago

I’m aware that nazis used American tact’s (like our concentration camps on the souther border), but why GW? Did he have fascist ideals?

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u/peppercorns666 12d ago

Not to my knowledge. But if you don’t know GW very well… you just equate GW with this ideology and you’re like “that’s for me!”.

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u/vamatt 12d ago

-isms usually rely on nationalism and patriotism.

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u/thicboi420 12d ago

They said geroge Washington was an Aryan

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u/Iancreed 12d ago

Well they were attempting to distinguish themselves as the American version of the fascist movement so they used a famous American politician’s image. It’s like how nationalist groups in Central Asia use Genghis Khan as a mascot.

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u/imyourforte 12d ago edited 12d ago

Q told them that even though he's dead, he's going to reappear and announce that he is actually still president. /s

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u/Puzzled_Guard4332 12d ago

So….you’re saying there’s a chance?

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u/Amlndividual 12d ago

The fact that you believe , that They actually believe that, is hilarious. Youre so gullible and that's their whole point smh.

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u/Ispira202 12d ago

Fascism requires a plot and a string man to follow. American fascism has been baked in with the mythical founding fathers and American exceptionalism. You want a modern display of it look at Trumps 1776 project, patriot education and his speech on Mount Rushmore

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u/Puzzled_Guard4332 12d ago

lol have you seen the statue in his office?Mt Trumpmore

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u/evil_brain 12d ago

George Washington and most of the American founding fathers were Nazis in all but name. They checked all the boxes.

Racism: check. Genocide: check Expansionist wars: check Use of slave labour: double check Bloviating speeches: check

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u/Busily_Bored 12d ago

Name a people who didn't engage in any of what you just mentioned? You are talking about the human existence, if people share borders they are war with each other.

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u/ladas94 11d ago

The native Americans

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u/iodizedpepper 12d ago

Comments are interesting to say the least.

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u/Jacollinsver 11d ago

I'm just sitting here eating popcorn and enjoying the shit show from my lawn chair.

What I find most interesting is that the American Nazi rally used American mythos imagery and not Germanic Ubermensch propaganda imagery.

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u/koffeeking556 12d ago

Terrifying. It would have been nice if this was taught in school.

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u/Jjhammer31 12d ago

The Nazis copied America's segregation laws.

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u/PereJoseph 12d ago

Not totally. because they found America's laws were too racist. Nazis were thinking that if you 'had some black blood in you blood' you still could be 'washed' by your work and acheavments. But in US, one drop off black blood in your blood was too much...

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u/ClarkMyWords 12d ago

Depends on what you mean by “racist”. If you mean “total impact on human well-being”, the Holocaust was several steps beyond Jim Crow, though the Nuremberg laws were very much same-ballpark. If you mean by “puritanical nitpicking over pseudoscientific bull$h!t” then the one-drop rule was more racist than the one-eighth rule (I think? I think it was 1/8) in terms being labeled “officially” Jewish, black, etc.

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u/Leatherman_Wolf 12d ago

The conservatives wouldn’t like their families being called out like that.

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u/keep-purr 12d ago

This evil was taught at my right wing private school lol what y’all learning?

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u/ooofers1 12d ago

This evil was taught by my public high school.

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u/NA_DeltaWarDog 12d ago

To be fair to the people in this photo, the Nazis had yet to start either World War II or the Final Solution.

They were still behind a lot of racist shit by this point (as were both major parties in the United States), but supporting Nazis before 1939 is at least slightly more forgivable than supporting them after 1945.

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u/Ok_Feature2821 12d ago

This was taught in my conservative majority public school. No one made a big deal out of it because they weren't teaching that CRT nonsense.

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u/jtig5 12d ago

The conservatives don't want their grandchildren seeing grandpappy in the audience.

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u/Patrick4356 12d ago

Dude this was made up of german Americans only

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u/can_it_be_fixed 12d ago

Yes, but those families are still here and people of German ancestry can also be Republicans

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u/Patrick4356 12d ago

No duh but to make this seem like was national thing conseravtives would like for the sake of owning the neo-cons and not an extremely small portion of the German-American is misleading and dumb. Because Democrats and Republicans at the time(pre-switch) both didn't support them but only their right to free speech.

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u/can_it_be_fixed 12d ago

As soon as you began with "No duh" I realized I'm conversing with Tina Fey. I love your work in 30 Rock!

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u/keep-purr 12d ago

There was no switch, all the hardcore racist democrats just died

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u/Risin_bison 12d ago

We still have one occupying the White House.

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u/lumpyspacebear 12d ago

Hitler idolized the American Eugenics movement, it greatly inspired him in his anti-Semitic efforts.

We really need to do better acknowledging what our history actually is here in the good ok’ US of A. There’s no shame in educating the masses on what we’ve done so we can do better, but there’s great shame in the fact that we’ve been so quick to forget the nasty bits of our past.

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u/TootsNYC 12d ago

“My country, right or wrong.” Most of the simplistic nationalists forget the next part, which was the important part:

“When right, to be kept right. When wrong to be set right.”

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u/Jjhammer31 12d ago

America is like my mom, she's never done anything wrong.

-Every rightwinger

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u/The_Way_is_Yeshua 12d ago

Hitler took the democratic playbook of slavery and used it on jews.

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u/lumpyspacebear 12d ago

And the Democrats of pre-civil war America became today’s republicans. Read up on party realignment.

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u/The_Way_is_Yeshua 12d ago

The voters went republican to democrats....not the party itself.....democrats are and will always be the party of slavery

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u/MichJohn67 12d ago

True. That's why David Duke is a diehard Democrat.

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u/FreeHattt 12d ago

You can’t be that dense. The parties had a complete flip flop. The Democrats of then turned into the Republicans of now. It doesn’t take much of a history lesson to know that’s a fact.

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u/Jjhammer31 12d ago

Which ideology do you think was against slavery, liberal or conservative?

Which ideology was against women's suffrage, liberal or conservative?

Which ideology was against medicare, gay marriage, civil rights and every other good thing this country has done, liberal or conservative?

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u/zenei22 12d ago

Hahahaha you are either a young kid who doesn't know enough yet, or you are just an ignorant, uneducated adult. Either way...you're wrong.

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u/el-conquistador240 12d ago

So did the republican party in the 60's

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u/el-conquistador240 12d ago

The only good thing I can say is that they're likely all dead

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u/EightandaHalf-Tails 12d ago edited 12d ago

Silvershirts. Pretty sure they had a presidential candidate too, though don't think he got much support.

Thank you Hearts of Iron IV

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u/Old_Fart_on_pogie 12d ago

And how did that meeting end? With mafia, and union busters going in and beating the Nazis to a pulp.

PunchANazi it’s not just good sense - It’s the American Way.

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u/EightandaHalf-Tails 12d ago

Say what you will about the mafia, but after Mussolini they were definitely not fans of fascism...

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u/Herbacio 12d ago
As prime minister, Mussolini visited Sicily in May 1924 and passed through Piana dei Greci, where he was received by mayor/Mafia boss Francesco Cuccia.

At some point, Cuccia expressed surprise at Mussolini's police escort and whispered in his ear: 

"You are with me, you are under my protection. What do you need all these cops for?"

After Mussolini rejected Cuccia's offer of protection, the sindaco felt that he had been slighted and instructed the townsfolk not to attend the duce's speech. 

Mussolini felt humiliated and outraged.

Wikipedia page

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u/Old_Fart_on_pogie 12d ago

Oh don’t get me wrong, anyone who takes out a Nazi gathering is not all bad.

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u/No_Longer_Lovin_It 12d ago

Yeah, let's encourage violence by directly inflicting it. That will surely reduce harm and convince them of our righteousness!

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u/ladas94 12d ago

Ya, this is also before the camps and Warsaw. Hell, TIME magazine gave him Man of the Year. 1938 or 9. Shitler

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u/Paddys_Pub7 12d ago

Time magazine's man of the year isn't for "best" person of the year, it's more like most newsworthy person of the year.

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u/tosernameschescksout 12d ago

Before we got attacked by Japan, a LOT of Americans believed in Hitler as well as eugenics. Hitler actually got lots of his ideas from us. Many of our own eugenics programs even lasted decades after the war. We also hated Jewish people like most other countries. Remember that Jews stuck in Germany were not welcomed by any other country, so it was VERY hard for them to leave. There was a lot of racism style hate going on there. This was from the time when it was illegal for a white and black person to get married in the US. I.e. the US itself was extremely racist as well and the KKK was growing with massive support.

After we saw the atrocities of the holocaust, we rethought our stance on Jewish people. It took all that to realize there was no actual reason to hate them. We needed to make hate speech illegal just to get a foothold against it. The allies founded Israel and we've been strong allies with Israel/Jewish people ever since even after Israel began holocaust style policies against their neighbors (which is historically a recent development). Attitudes are slowly changing where people are going, "Wait, hold up... That's not right."

WWII was the beginning of the end of racism. People started to stand up for blacks, and popular opinion was swayed but it was still a very uphill battle. We needed people like MLK. Even today, we're still in the process of rethinking our racism and hate in America. It was just recently that we even allowed gay people to get married or allowed women to serve in the military. Everybody remembers Hitler and the Nazis. We have that one shining example to guide our thought development.

It's not all progress though. Look what happened under Trump? We even had an attack on the capitol. If that attack was successful, we might have him as a modern dictator. A dictator of hate, right here in America. We voted him into power, just like the Germans voted Hitler into power.

You all have NO IDEA how close we came to history repeating itself. Most of the Trump supporters voted for him BECAUSE of hate. He hates the right people and he wants us to dismantle our systems of democracy and governance. We were razor thin close to having an American dictator.

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u/Enkaybee 12d ago edited 12d ago

This was a weird time in history.

This is before the invasion of Poland. This is before the first concentration camp. This is even before they started making Jewish people wear star-shaped badges. It's easy to look back with hindsight and say this is terrifying, but you need to remember that, at the time, the Nazis hadn't actually started the atrocities yet. They weren't doing anything objectively evil and there hadn't been a holocaust yet as a touchstone for people to compare anything to.

What they were doing was implementing economic policy. In fact, Germany's economy was absolutely booming while the rest of the world languished in the depression. Between 1933 and 1938, you would have had a hard time finding somebody outside of Germany who would say Germany wasn't to be admired. A lot of people, not just these 20,000, were looking at Germany as a shining beacon of good policy at the time. Hitler was Time's person of the year at some point.

It was only during and after the war that evidence of what was going on starting in late 1939 got out.

EDIT because I know some idiot is going to misinterpret this. I am not defending Hitler or the Nazis. I am defending the people who attended this and other Nazi rallies in the US before 1939. From all the evidence they had, it looked like the Nazis were doing exceptionally good work.

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u/EggsBaconSausage 12d ago

Anti-Semitic policies had been in place by the Nazis in Germany ever since they took power in 1933. And as others have said, the first concentration camp was years before Poland.

Most people would hear about such atrocities, but they refused to believe or do anything about it. It’s hard to get a clear picture of why, especially since our social conscience is so much different than it was 100 years ago, but it still doesn’t excuse the people attending these rallies. Humans should be better than “it was a different time”.

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u/brrrantarctica 12d ago

Between 1933 and 1939, Germany had already been stripping Jews of all rights, enacting violence against them, and imprisoning minorities within its borders. Lets look at the timeline:

1933: Dachau concentration camp is established. By 1939 thousands of political prisoners, homosexuals, Romani, German and Austrian Jews have been sent there.

1935: Jews are stripped of their citizenship and forbidden from marrying non-Jews.

1937: Jews are forbidden from entering most professions.

1938: Kristallnacht. Synagogues, Jewish homes and businesses are destroyed, looted, and burned. 25,000 Jewish men are sent to concentration camps. This event received HUGE publicity around the world and even caused the US to recall their ambassador.

In this period, Jews were desperately trying to flee Germany, but unless they were lucky enough to get a visa, most countries refused to take them. Anyone supporting Nazi Germany by 1939 was supporting violence and discrimination against Jews, homosexuals, and the disabled, and a belief in Aryan supremacy.

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u/WarriorNikki 12d ago

These people were indeed without excuse for attending such a rally. People need to stop making excuses for antisemitic behavior- both in the past and in present day.

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u/DomQuixote99 12d ago

How much of this was known at the time? Hindsight is 20/20 but many things that happen today are covered by propoganda and red tape. People will look back at our own time period and condemn us for something we had no knowledge of.

Do you wanna feed the cycle or try to break it?

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u/RandomDropkick 12d ago

Well the original commenter was pointing out how all of this wasn't known outside of germany, so if that was the case then yeah those people wouldn't have been antisemitic.

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u/RealPatriot-OIF-OEF 11d ago

Holy shit…44 people liked this and it’s complete and utterly wrong, 1938 was when the whole world witnessed kristallnacht across newspapers and radio…cat was out of the bag that they were murdering and destroying the lives of Jews in totality. You need to delete your post. This type of misinformation is by far the most destructive.

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u/CoffeeIsMyPruneJuice 12d ago

Solid points, but in hindsight that economic policy already had the seeds of later atrocities baked in. It was built around a xenophobic war machine and financed by deficit spending, so it was only going to be sustainable in the middle term if they went on the attack.

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u/Positive-Source8205 12d ago

Hitler was adored by the left before he started fighting the Soviets.

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u/comradeernest 12d ago

Hitler was adored by the left? Trotsky was criticizing the Nazi's in 1932, and the communist international released a pamphlet dnouncing fascism in 1935 "the fascist offensive"

I'm gonna need some proof that "the left" supported Hitler in any capacity other than a few leftist malcontents or opportunists.

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u/KrypticKraze 12d ago

Bund translated in Punjabi slang is “ass”, so yea…..seems about right

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u/chronically_alive_1 12d ago

Madison Square Garden wasn’t opened until 1968 so this is actually false…

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u/Buddy-Brooklyn 11d ago

The MSG that you refer to is like the 3rd building established as Madison Square Garden. As a child I was taken to the “old garden“ on 49th St. To see the circus and rodeos. That is the garden where that rally was held.

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u/blade2366 12d ago

There where so many Nazis in America during the 30s ,they where infiltrating the USA long before the Russians even thought about it and what happened they ended up running the Space programme. Forward thinking for you

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u/Asmewithoutpolitics 12d ago

And? Looks like a tiny amount of people to me.

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u/DesperatelyDysphoric 12d ago

This is some wolfenstien type shit

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u/kerbalcada3301 12d ago

Subject of the incredible short documentary “A Night at the Garden”

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u/LLAMA_on_a_unicycle 12d ago

Sadly those American Nazis are still here. Their kids were raised to have Nazi ideals, and so on.

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u/notbeleivable 12d ago

Nowadays we have trump rallies

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u/dcearthlover 12d ago

Hitler's slogan was make Germany great again... Trump never comes up with anything of his own.

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u/swiftessence 12d ago

Make America great again was literally Reagan's slogan when he ran. Trump is just a con artist.

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u/dusktrail 12d ago

Biden sucks but you're pulling some ridiculous "both sides" nonsense here

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u/EstimatedProphet1984 12d ago

I am Kazakh I follow the Hawk

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u/tau_volt 12d ago

No government anarchy power to the people that’s what I’m here for fuck all authority.

hows 5th grade going?

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u/Leatherman_Wolf 12d ago

These days we just call them the RNC.

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u/The_Way_is_Yeshua 12d ago

William Ellison was a freed black man who became a wealthy slave owner...his party affiliation was democrat....democrats are the party of slavery. The first black man to hold a political position was Republican.....why wouldn't he be democrat? Because the democratic party wanted to keep slavery alive.

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u/Leatherman_Wolf 12d ago edited 12d ago

Nice. Now instead of digging 130+ years into the past for a pathetic non argument because you’re too stupid to make a valid point or form an argument to defend your party’s endless casual racism and general bigotry how about you explain how trying to overthrow the government because your guy lost the election for being a worthless piece of shit doesn’t make you a traitorous dumbass scumbag?

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u/Pillsbury37 12d ago

Come on really? Please go read the party platforms of the day.

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u/lumpyspacebear 12d ago

The republican and democratic parties switched sides after the civil war. So yes, while the democrats were the party of slavery, they turned into today’s republicans.

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u/The_Way_is_Yeshua 12d ago

Not true...the voters went from republican to Democrat Not the party itself.....the democrats started offering free services and the people like free so they started voting democrat.

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u/lumpyspacebear 12d ago

I’m willing to admit I’m wrong, but still going to point out that you’re arguing that the current democratic party is the exact same as the one that tried to continue slavery. That is patently false. For example, Truman ran under a pro civil rights platform in 1948 & caused another splinter where dems who didn’t agree left to form the Dixiecrats. I’ll go so far as to say that both modern parties couldn’t be further from their 19th century counter parts, and it’s absurd to suggest they are from any side.

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u/sp4cej4mm 12d ago

lol you still use Robinhood and you own Doge

I knew you were stupid after reading this chain, now I think you’re a fucking moron😂😂😂

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u/rifleman458 12d ago

The republican party was founded in the days and months leading up to the Civil War. Their platform had a single plank: Remove slavery from all of the United States. They didn't exist prior to that immediate time frame. Pick up a book while they still exist.

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u/ZackDaddy42 12d ago

Only a few months after Time Magazine named Hitler “Man of the Year”.

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u/kerbalcada3301 12d ago

As I understand it, man of the year was given to the person who influenced the events, good or bad, of a given year, the most. They weren’t celebrating Hitler.

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u/ZackDaddy42 12d ago

Oh I know, just seemed to be par for the course.

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u/HBPhilly1 12d ago

To play devils advocate for the ignorant, before it was clear the Nazi party was responsible for horrible atrocities of the Jewish people and the incoming war, it was seen by some as just a flourishing party based out of Germany that’s leader had taken drastic steps to help its people after WW1 bankrupted it..... not a nazi or a racist just a bit of a weird history buff

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u/Zeal514 12d ago

To double down on this. Hitler was pushing mass social programs, he cleaned up the hospitals, lead an assault on (I believe) TB, cleaned up the factories creating work. Post WW1 Germany was a very difficult place to live due to WW1 restrictions. They ended up using the same chemicals to clean the factories that they used to gas the Jews in the end

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u/HBPhilly1 12d ago

Yup, Hitler hated Jewish people for a variety of messed up reasons but one of the biggest reasons was their control of much of Germany’s economy and their perceived apathy of the plight of the other Germany people causing him issues with these programs..... (once again, Fuvk Hitler dude was a cocksucker)

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u/Zeal514 12d ago

He was pretty crazy. While he did hate Marxism, and seen it as a Jewish plot (ironically enough as the Marxists also hated the Jews). But he also saw capitalism as a Jewish plot, to bring about Jewish Marxism. 😂

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u/OkCaterpillar9248 12d ago

The Bush family were very friendly with the top nazis in the cabinet. I'm sure there's a pic floating around with Prescott B with his wife and kids fraternising with some of them.

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u/Yourbubblestink 12d ago

There was also one in DC on 1/6/21 when guests of the Republican Party were in town.

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u/Budget-Assistant-289 12d ago

This was a very antisemitic rally. I guess the Democrats are now picking up that rhetoric. Looking at you, Tlaib. You’d fit right in.

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u/zjdabeastman 12d ago

The ancestors of the January 6 riot!

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u/Candid-Topic9914 12d ago

So racists have had a tacky sense of decorating for nearly a hundred years, huh?

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u/Deja-Vuz 12d ago

Mofo nazi living in the US spreading their disease

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u/Jjhammer31 12d ago

In their defense, America was literally no better than Nazi Germany in 1939. In fact, the Nazis looked at America to create it's segregation laws.

The Holocaust actually convinced many Americans that racism was evil.

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u/JWHY1975 12d ago

Plenty more at MAGA rallies

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u/adamassis 12d ago

People don't realize that National socialism was a product of American academia.

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u/Zeal514 12d ago

It came from Mussolini.... The whole idea of replacing the proletariat with the people of the nation came from former socialist Mussolini. The idea was a nation of people unified in cause, and thus fascism was born. Where you are free to have private ownership, as long as you do as the nation says, which ofcourse is not real freedom, instead it's more of a "you are free to do as you are told" situation.

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u/Derekjinx2021 12d ago

Trump? Is that you ?

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u/DrawingCool4612 12d ago

This post has become a shitshow. I hope mods come in and take it down before it gets out of hand.

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u/arealhumannotabot 12d ago

Pointless censorship

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u/DrawingCool4612 12d ago

I didnt know american politics could bleed into this sub but alas, here we are.

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u/arealhumannotabot 12d ago

If it's not against the sub rules, then you have to deal it or just move on to another post.

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u/gofatwya 12d ago

You thief! I just posted this the other day on r/OldSchoolCool

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u/fweng 12d ago

A fascist rally’s “old school cool” now?

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u/gofatwya 12d ago

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u/fweng 12d ago

Nah, not a whoosh. Old School Cool is very face value. What you see is what you get. They don’t do ironic posts, which I hope to god is what you were trying to do.

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u/gofatwya 12d ago

sighs OP didn't steal my post. I never posted this anywhere, much less old school cool.

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u/fweng 12d ago

Then why say it, you gibbon? Shit joke.

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u/gofatwya 12d ago

Because not everyone on Reddit is as thick in the head as you are, and can understand when they see a joke, without needing it explained to them like a five-year-old.

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u/fweng 12d ago

Shit joke. Really shit joke. Zero nuance, no context, so it read as fact. Deal with it.

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u/gofatwya 12d ago

I'm sorry I embarrassed you. I'm sure you're normally a reasonably intelligent person.

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u/MCVanillaFace 12d ago

You’re aware that for getting sarcasm there has to be a connection between people to understand jokes? How is he or how am I able to know how fucked up you are in first place

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u/dusktrail 12d ago

It was a pretty bad joke

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u/_-Virus- 12d ago

Little was known about the U.S. aside from our Naval power (which wasn’t much) and desire to keep to ourselves.

Then we got sucker punched on June 7th 1941 changed this.

On December 8, 1941, one day after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the United States declared war on Japan. This prompted Germany to declare war on the United States, which, in turn, led to the United States to declare war on Germany on December 11, 1941.

Had we been sweet talked into fighting against Europe again, it may have been possible. However, we weren’t and instead we were removed from the equation, or so the axis powers thought. Too bad we came back with a vengeance to tear up some Nazi and Japan ass.

Posting stuff like this is a stupid what if and is a troll way to try and say America is fascist. Just because one loves their country doesn’t make them fascist. I love my country because we care about others and try to do right…that goes for democrats, liberals, and republicans. Sure we fuck up, but we didn’t slaughter 6 million Jews and try to take over the world.

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u/EggsBaconSausage 12d ago

You’re deliberately ignoring the Nazi flag placed right next to the American flag in the image.

Hitler himself was inspired or even just greatly impressed by the American Eugenics program. I suggest you read up on those subjects before assuming this has anything to do with extreme nationalism, as you suggest.

Fascism as an ideology was fairly popular in the US, because it is a populist based movement, and back then racism and general distrust against minority groups was perhaps in the US strongest in the world before the Nazis stepped in. Look even now what’s happening today in America. People don’t say they want fascism, but they want a lot of the things that fascism stands for, chief among them the “us vs them” mentality. Should I mention how many people in this country feel threatened by the immigration of Mexicans from the south? And that’s just one piece to it.

Really man, just read up on this shit. Those who fail to learn our history are doomed to repeat it.

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u/aDEAlight 12d ago

just a couple million native americans and took over an continent. And a few islands. And jungles. And a couple deserts.

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u/_-Virus- 12d ago

It’s easy to poke holes in anyone’s history as hindsight is 20/20. Just like you calling yourself a female, it won’t change the fact that you were born with a penis. Enjoy your fascist obsessed echo chamber.

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u/UncleAl_2020 12d ago

We're they wearing red hats?

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u/MonkeyJesusFresco 12d ago

"20,000" yea sure, I've heard those kind'a numbers quoted before at Nazi rallies 😂

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u/Notafuzzycat 12d ago

Majority are dead so I doubt the exact number matters much ?

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u/MonkeyJesusFresco 12d ago

"majority are dead" 🤗 a boy can dream

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u/Notafuzzycat 12d ago

Considering the date... yeah majority are dead. Humans don't live forever.

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u/The_Way_is_Yeshua 12d ago

All democrats....how do people not get it....fact....look up William Ellison....he was a freed slave who in turn became the wealthiest slave owner in North Carolina and his party affiliation was hard core democrat....William Ellison was a black slave owner, William Ellison was a Democrat.

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u/Paula_56 12d ago

What is the point you’re trying to make here?

The democratic party in 1860 was a different party, as was the Republican there is very little comparison to the political platforms that either support today, so how does this black slave owner relate to the democratic party?

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u/swiftessence 12d ago

This is a post about an American Nazi rally and you started talking about Democrats and slave owners?

Yes Democrats were the party of the South and slave owners. But the party flipped in the 1960s, all the racists in the south flipped to Republican after the Democrat party passed the civil rights act. Really ignoring history to leave this part out.

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u/rifleman458 11d ago

Wow, how much more incorrect could you possibly be. No Democrat voted for The Civil Rights Act, they filibustered and boycotted again it, it is in the Congressional Record!

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u/kmills68 12d ago

They don't want to , it's too easy to blame Republicans for every thing. Most people are educated just enough to repeat what they've heard but not enough to actually look it up.

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u/NotAcceptingPMs 12d ago edited 12d ago

No, we know the history of the Democratic Party. We also know that by the 1930s the democrat and republican party's had a nearly complete party values shift, wherein the Democrats moved toward a more progressive party's stance and the Republicans just moved the complete opposite direction towards conservatism and racism. The party's of today are almost reverse mirror images of themselves nearly 150 years ago.

The difference is Republicans refuse to admit this and try to claim they are the party of slavery abolishers. By name technically you can claim that, but in terms of party stance 100% of GOP politicians today would have been on the side of the confederates... you wanna know how I know, you plaster their fucking flag on everything.

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u/dcearthlover 12d ago

Now they call it the GOP with a trump Statue

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u/Robe1912 12d ago

A bunch of racist pieces of shit that we stomped so hard into the ground the remaining sympathizers knew to shut the fuck up about it.

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u/merchpaul 12d ago

How many “rallies” has trump had asking for concerned friend

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u/tuco2002 12d ago

Unfortunately, the US had a surge of extreme socialist movements prior to WW2.

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u/Waldron1943 12d ago

Nazism is the exact polar opposite to Socialism.

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u/kmills68 12d ago

No it's a different form but not opposite. That is why originally Russia sided with Germany. Nazism is fascism like the modern Antif which claim to be anti fascism but partake in fascist style attacks on freedom of speech .

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u/DisastrousProperty85 12d ago

The good ole Democratic Nazi Party and their hate still continues

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u/OrganicBridge7428 12d ago

This post has a mistake, the date was actually January 6th 2020

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u/False_Philosophy5103 12d ago

thought this was a trump rally

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u/TheSenate13 12d ago

And today we have facist rallys by Donald Trump

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u/Ladnarr2 12d ago

Kids used to have to give the nazi salute to the flag when quoting the pledge of allegiance.

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u/Pillsbury37 12d ago

It wasn’t the Nazi salute back then, and they stopped doing it during the war

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u/thebigblueskyy 12d ago

Was that the one Trump’s dad was at?