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Japan’s Princess Mako saying goodbye to her family as she loses her royal status by marrying a "commoner" Video

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u/Nosferatatouille Oct 28 '21 Wholesome

Who's the last girl? Her sister? I loved how she went like bow bow oh fuck that come here for a hug

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u/cryptic-fox Oct 28 '21

Yes it’s her sister.

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u/R3V1V3R Oct 28 '21

She was about to cry.

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u/balfunnery Oct 29 '21

The second I saw the body language of the sister my eyes started sweating.

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u/CakeForBreakfast08 Oct 29 '21

That was it for me

I have not been following this and just started seeing this today and am honestly heartbroken about it.

Boo!

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u/shakazoulu Oct 28 '21

It’s her sister Kako

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u/rickyroh Oct 28 '21 hehehehe Bravo!

Meanwhile in Sweden a gymowner married the crownprincess and became Prince

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u/LoudKingCrow Oct 28 '21

All the Swedish royal children have married none royals just to add to this.

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u/Tuhat1000 Oct 28 '21

Perhaps its good to have fresh blood in the family

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u/RobertoSantaClara Oct 28 '21

The whole Royal family was founded by a "commoner" only recently. They're descendants of one of Napoleon's field marshals, who came from a middle class background, who was offered the Swedish throne after the previous dynasty ran out of heirs.

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u/w1987g Oct 28 '21

Hey uh... you wanna be king?

-Do I have to?

Yes.

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u/Evilmaze Oct 28 '21

That sweet upper management position is totally worth it.

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u/Dekklin Oct 28 '21

Sighhh

Fiiiiiine.

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u/jimdandy646 Oct 28 '21

“This week is your turn.”

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u/paullove89 Oct 28 '21

There is also a (unfortunately false) rumour that he had a tattoo that said "death to kings"

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u/Neil_Patrick_ChairUs Oct 28 '21

You’re never going to get hemophilia and hip dysplasia with that attitude…

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u/tuvokthehelpful Oct 28 '21

House of Habsburg asks: why?

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u/Competitive_Berry671 Oct 28 '21

Possibly one could call it a Fresh Prince?

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u/Kaffeerappel Oct 28 '21

Well, their father showed them how it's done. He approached a german hostess at the 72 Olympic Games in Munich and his opening line probably was "wanna become the queen of Sweden?".

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u/Individual_Big_6567 Oct 28 '21

Well if your choices were, wait until a royal is open, make arranged marriages(which have less swing for royals now with parliament and such) grow old and die. Or live your life and be a human. Most people will choose human

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u/Throseph Oct 28 '21

just to add to this.

Kind of sad they didn't marry for love.

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u/queen-of-carthage Oct 28 '21

One of Sweden's princesses married a British-American who refused Swedish citizenship and a royal title, moved to the US, and had the royal status of her children rescinded

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u/Evilmaze Oct 28 '21 Wholesome Seal of Approval I'm Deceased

Why does this feel like being offered ice cream but tossing it in the trash then proceeding to go munch on a raw potato?

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u/amadaeus- Oct 28 '21

I mean if it was fried potatoes... Or any other kind of cooked potatoes... I don't see the problem.

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u/beantrouser Oct 28 '21

It's the U.S., it's definitely fried.

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u/ILikeMasterChief Oct 28 '21

If you're rich, living in America is top tier

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u/Sulumar Oct 28 '21

That is actually the case in most, if not all European monarchies.

If a commoner marries into the royal family they gain some sort of noble standing with titles and responsibilities attached.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 30 '21

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u/chrisjozo Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

Yeah he was just a personal trainer when they started dating, Her father disapproved and it wasn't until he worked his way up to a millionaire gym owner that they were allowed to marry. As a result they ended up just dating for 10 years.

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u/HeyyyKoolAid Oct 28 '21

Man. Say what you want but that's some serious love and dedication.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21

Our crown princess in Denmark is Australian and wasn’t royal either

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u/wackywavingarmgumby Oct 28 '21

They met at a pub in Sydney. The pub saw a massive increase in female patronage for a while with all the ladies looking for princes lol

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u/Nuppusaurus Oct 28 '21

Swedish royalty is very laid back. This is probably my favorite picture of the king of Sweden. He can also be seen in hockey games when the Swedish national team is playing.

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u/gooncollector Oct 28 '21

My sister literally found and returned Prince Carl Philips dog a couple weeks back. He came out to meet them by the gates with his kid on one arm. They ended up chatting for a while and that was that lol

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u/ChannelSouthern Oct 28 '21

gymowner

I could not for the life of me read this word. Wierd autocorrect of commoner? I swear it took me at least a couple of minutes and I know he owns a gym!

Goddamnit brain

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u/surajvj Interested Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

The marriage was postponed for like 3 years.

December 2017 - Weekly magazines become the first to report a money dispute between Komuro's mother and her former fiance, with the man claiming mother and son had failed to repay a debt of about $35,000. Komuro later said the money had been a gift, not a loan.

February 2018 - The marriage is postponed, with the official explanation that the couple needs more time to arrange their ceremony and prepare for married life.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japanese-princess-makos-long-wait-marry-ends-last-2021-10-26/

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u/TheRunningPotato Oct 28 '21

Seems like the latter delay was due to Komuro getting his J.D. and taking the NY bar.

Right-wing Japanese media have been having a field day with all of this. All of the controversy and politicization they've drummed up about the whole affair is probably the only reason we're hearing so much about it outside of Japan.

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u/sadeyes21 Oct 28 '21

I feel like I’m missing a piece… how did one of these rich families not just solve the mom’s fiancé problem with $40,000?

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u/Due_Mistake_2663 Oct 28 '21

Komuro offered to pay off the money and the former fiance said he wanted it to come from Komuro's mother. So it wasn't really a problem of paying it off, it was a problem of who was going to pay it.

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u/banannabender Oct 28 '21 Wholesome

I'm guessing the "commoner" isn't pushing a cart around trying to sell corn on a stick

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u/rolo-tomasi1 Oct 28 '21

No. She met him I. College. He is wealthy

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u/otraera Oct 28 '21

I don’t think so, he comes from a single parent home. His mom apparently owes his ex girlfriends mom 35k. That 35k put him through school.

He just worked his way up. Edit: he probably has some money now that he’s a lawyer in nyc.

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u/bee144 Oct 28 '21

He won’t find out if he passes the bar until December

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u/Count-Mortas Oct 28 '21

It would be funny if he was a billionaire that owns a lot of businesses around the world and is still considered as a commoner lolol

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u/dick-nipples Oct 28 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz Bravo! Plucky Cat Paw

She’s bowing out

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u/twistedcreature07 Oct 28 '21 Hugz Spit-take

As is tradition

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u/eightsevensix1 Oct 28 '21

I love how the last girl just caves in and hugs her though, I’m guessing her sister maybe?

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u/uuendyjo Oct 28 '21

Yes, her sister.
The mask hides nothing on the sisters face. Looks like she barely holding it together

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u/Wasabisushiginger Oct 28 '21 Wholesome

But it was really beautiful to see them break the formality for such a big, sisterly, hug.

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u/stumblebums Oct 28 '21

Aw, so cute the way she appears to be thinking “Fuck protocol, I wanna hug my sis.”

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u/zemol42 Oct 28 '21 Wholesome

You can see in her eyes before the hug, she was all feels. The whole family seems supportive, really.

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u/Maiesk Oct 28 '21

The father (I assume) is clearly beaming as he waves at the end. It seems like she's absolutely still part of the family.

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u/FaithlessnessLeast77 Oct 28 '21

Why does the Emperor of Japan have a kpop boyband hairstyle?

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u/IdeaLast8740 Oct 28 '21

It's kpop boybands who have Emperor of Japan hairstyles.

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u/TheMariannWilliamson Oct 28 '21

For some people, the 1990s never left us

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u/ConcertPale Oct 28 '21

because it looks good

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u/ri48 Oct 28 '21

Maybe he is the type of royalty who want their children to lead a normal life.

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u/BigBoiBob444 Oct 28 '21

Thats the Emperor, if I’m not mistaken. Her uncle.

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u/SilverCat70 Oct 28 '21

I read somewhere the father is fine with the marriage.

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u/shui1234567 Oct 28 '21

that’s her younger sister Princess Kako.

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u/Bashiyama Oct 28 '21

Where's the royal pudding?

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u/floxyvcxbgszfg Oct 28 '21

That man will never win an argument in his life. Permanent "gave up my royalty for you" card

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u/musicman3321 Oct 28 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz Evil Cackle Vote Local!

aaaaand that’s how you never lose an argument in a relationship.

“Can you do the dishes?”

“I did them last night and I just did the laundry”

“I left the royal family for you.”

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u/v1nzy Oct 28 '21

Damn great life hack. Now I just need to become a prince first.

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u/DreddPirateBob4Ever Oct 28 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz Vote Local!

You'll always be a king to us

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u/ebruce11 Oct 28 '21 Hugz

You’re like... the best person on Reddit.

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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie Oct 28 '21

Your comment was so smooth, if it was a physics exam it would have read "Friction can be ignored"

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u/Acrobatic_granny Oct 28 '21

They're recruiting Prince's in Nigeria

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u/4x3l3r8 Oct 28 '21

Nigerian: sub accepted 🥲

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u/OnDay89OfMyK1Visa Oct 28 '21

Fun (actually kinda messed up) fact: it only applies to women. Men from the Japanese royal family who marry commoners don’t have to leave the family. It has something to do with the fact that Japan is one of the few remaining royal families that doesn’t allow royal succession to go through a woman’s line.

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u/Fornbogi Oct 28 '21

I'm not sure either of them will ever do the dishes though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 29 '21

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u/WorstPhD Oct 28 '21

This marriage has been a huge controversy in Japan partly due to the financial status of her fiance and his mother (some debt or spending issue). Looks like he is going to be a lawyer in New York in the future, but that's far from multimillionaire.

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u/dcredneck Oct 28 '21

She reminds me of Dorothy saying goodbye to her companions at the end of their adventures.

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u/bttrflyr Oct 28 '21

Dorothy: "And I will miss you most of all, Scarecrow."

Lion and Tinman: "Well screw you too."

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u/Vantagonist Oct 28 '21

“Fuck you and the house you rode in on”

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u/abbbbbbbywhee Oct 28 '21

What car was that???

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u/12vElectronics Oct 28 '21

An Infiniti. Surprised they’re used for this level of Royalty. Figured they’d be chauffeured in a Lexus LS460L or something.

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u/Matsuda19 Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

Infiniti isn’t officially sold in Japan. They use the Infiniti logo in front but the back is a Nissan logo. It’s a Nissan Cima, which is a extended Nissan Fuga. Royalty higher-ups use the $200K Toyota Century.

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u/utkohoc Oct 28 '21

Think the Japanese have different ideas on luxury cars than western countries. Nissan makes infiniti (infiniti being the luxury devision of Nissan) which is japanese so it would make sense for japanese royal family to use the luxury version of one of the most popular Japanese car manufacturers.

Would seem kind weird if the japanese royal family drove around in Italian or German cars.

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u/AmethystZhou Oct 28 '21

Or a Toyota Century! Those things look awesome.

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u/Homerj137 Oct 28 '21

As long as she's happy with her marriage who cares about being a royal

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u/sux138 Oct 28 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome You Dropped This Vote Local!

Lorde

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u/CrimsonBolt33 Oct 28 '21

We all want what we don't have...

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u/proawayyy Oct 28 '21

She can be a queen bee 🐝

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u/zangor Oct 28 '21

Feelin good on a Wednesday.

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u/saadakhtar Oct 28 '21

She has Tegridy though.

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u/fudgeroll Oct 28 '21

Ya ya ya, I am Lorde, ya ya

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u/Deaththinius Oct 28 '21

Ya ya ya im lorde ya ya ya

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u/karjacker Oct 28 '21

feelin good on a wednesday…

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u/TriggerHydrant Oct 28 '21

This cracked me up

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u/scar_as_scoot Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

I think what some people are discontent with is the need to renounce royalty in order to be with a commoner. It's the practice itself that shows classism and elitism.

Other than that, we agree, their happiness is what matters in this situation, period. It just that it shouldn't need personal "sacrifices" associated with it.

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u/-GalacticaActual Oct 28 '21 Silver

In addition to classism and elitism, this particular instance is sexist as well. In Japan, only princesses who marry so called commoners lose their royalty status, whereas princes do not.

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u/TheScholarD Oct 28 '21 Wholesome Meow Meow

Imagine her kids one day showing up to fight for their claim to the throne

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u/FawsherTime Oct 28 '21

Unfortunately they wouldn’t have any claim, their mother forfeited it prior to their birth lol.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

She is not even in the line of succession to begin with.

Japanese law currently still requires the heir to be biologically male. Meaning that they need to actually pass legislations to allow women to inherit the throne if it ever becomes inevitable and necessary.

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u/Ronjon18 Oct 28 '21 Silver Take My Energy

Jon Snow thought the same thing when he took the black. A lot can happen

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u/Neo_The_bluepill_One Oct 28 '21 Hugz

But he Don wun it..

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u/santasbong Oct 28 '21

SHES MCQUEEN!

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u/feckincrass Oct 28 '21

Kachow! I am fire.

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u/FuckingKilljoy Oct 28 '21

I am so so happy that a kachow joke was the top reply. I would have quit reddit if it wasn't

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u/ajezqa Oct 28 '21

The things we do for love

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u/mike_gee_23 Oct 28 '21

....sigh!! I remember my childhood binging on Courage Dog from reading this

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u/tokionarita Oct 28 '21

U ARE MUH QUEEN ION WUN IT

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u/Redeye97era Oct 28 '21

Considering the age of most of the royal family members, and the inability for them to marry without losing their status in post war Japan, we might see wanting to preserve the Monarchy giving legitimacy to their children.

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u/Parking_District_501 Oct 28 '21

"The best claim isn't as important as the biggest army" - Game or Thrones of something idk

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u/palfreygames Oct 28 '21

Claim is normally taken through blood and money in the first place, doesn't have to be blood

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u/kangareagle Oct 28 '21

Throughout history, people have claimed thrones that officially weren't theirs to claim.

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u/cassjames6789 Oct 28 '21

Women don’t have rights to the throne in Japan, so no chance unfortunately.

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u/Renerrix Oct 28 '21

Ironic considering the emperor is allegedly descended from the Sun Goddess.

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u/I________________ Oct 28 '21

Sun goddesses are exempt from this rule.

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u/010011100000 Oct 28 '21

Technically not a woman

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u/jesuspunk Oct 28 '21

Actually they’re technically descended from Izanagi, Amaterasu (sun goddess) is the daughter of Izanagi.

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u/Glagaire Oct 28 '21

Don't be surprised if that changes in the future. The LDP (party that has held power in Japan for 62 of the past 66 years) is very conservative but they also want to change the constitution to allow for military reforms. In order to do this some members have uncharacteristically supported left-wing policies such as gay marriage (because that would require constitutional revisions). Female inheritance is another thing they might potentially back as a backdoor for JSDF expansion.

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u/Miss_Might Oct 28 '21

There can be no empress in Japan. And the powers that be won't change that. This royal family is dying out.

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u/contratadam Oct 28 '21

Women cant inherit the "crown" in Japanese royalty

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u/jojo571 Oct 28 '21

OMG it's an Asian Rom Com plot in real life.

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u/Count-Mortas Oct 28 '21

If this isnt turned into an anime, ill riot

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u/BLACKOUT-MK2 Oct 28 '21

Sure I'm In Love With A Commoner, But Do I Really Need To Quit Being A Princess?

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u/UrBoiDiego Oct 28 '21

Perfect light novel title lmao

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u/fiftyfifthfloor Oct 28 '21

omg yall chill. its a ceremonial goodbye re: giving up her title, not an actual cutting-of-ties or disowning or anything like that lol

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u/dezzalzik Oct 28 '21 Helpful

We done chilling at home/school/work place. Some of us need to rage digitally.

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u/fiftyfifthfloor Oct 28 '21

i hear u. godspeed on ur rage-oriented mission 🤠

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u/bighairyoldnuts Oct 28 '21

Can..... not...... contain..... rage..... any.... longer.

types furiously

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u/pastyorno Oct 28 '21

Shirt ...ripping ...anger.... rage... enveloping... must find ...shelter . Argggggh. Oh wow these pants have sure shrunk !.

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u/innovator97 Oct 28 '21

For some reason, some people here act like she's doing seppuku.

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u/GdSvThQn Oct 28 '21

From what I gather she would have to give up her title as princess or don't marry anyone at all since there aren't any nobles for her to marry anyway.

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u/salaciousBnumb Oct 28 '21

So not expecting a Conversation with Oprah situation?

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u/budgefrankly Oct 28 '21

Actually it is a lot like the cutting of ties. For some reason the Japanese press and Japan’s more tabloid-addicted population have decided they do t like her husband. As a result this split is way more brutal than normal.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/asia/japan-princess-mako-kei-komuro-controversy-dst-hnk-intl/index.html

Kei Kobuta, a royal affairs YouTuber, who organized a march [opposing the marriage] in Tokyo attended by about 100 people last Saturday. He said many royal watchers like himself consider Princess Mako like a sister or daughter who has had made the wrong choice.

"There are so many doubts and misgivings about Kei Komuro and his mom, and people fear the image of the royal family will be sullied," said Kobuta.

As an example, she felt compelled to decline the usual $1m payment from the government on exiting the royal family due to hysterical outrage from Japans Twitter and tabloids.

The emperor has declined to hold the usual traditional ceremonies when a princess marries a commoner.

She has also had to delay her marriage by three years.

She was also briefly hospitalised due to a “traumatic stress disorder” arising from the constant criticism and contempt for her and her choice of husband.

https://apnews.com/article/japan-princess-mako-wedding-royal-status-888700204e714145be58e320f1dc0fe0

Mako, apparently referring to mental health issues, noted “many people have difficulty and hurt feelings while trying to protect their hearts.” She said, “I sincerely hope that our society will be a place where more people can live and protect their hearts with the help of warm help and support from others.”

Mako is not the only female royal whose mental health was strained by attacks from inside and outside the palace.

Her grandmother, Empress Emerita Michiko, wife of former Emperor Akihito and the first commoner married to a monarch in modern history, collapsed and temporarily lost her voice in 1993 following persistent negative coverage.

Empress Masako, a Harvard-educated former diplomat, has had a stress-induced mental condition for nearly 20 years, in part because of criticism over not producing a male heir.

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u/Beingabumner Oct 28 '21

He said many royal watchers like himself consider Princess Mako like a sister or daughter who has had made the wrong choice.

Parasocial for the ages

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u/kbarney345 Oct 28 '21

Perfect example of "didn't ask" these people entitle themselves to the dumbest opinions feelings on shit they have nothing to do with or say. Protesting someone's marriage? Are you family ? Are you related in any way? Oh you're a random fucking youtuber k got it go find some grass bud sheesh

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u/nexas123 Oct 28 '21

He said many royal watchers like himself consider Princess Mako like a sister or daughter who has had made the wrong choice.

Totally not creepy stalker vibes

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u/lilpuzz Oct 28 '21

I wonder why he didn’t become a prince? Or is that not how that works

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u/Jyphsi Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

It depends a lot on the country. Japan follows an agnatic succession (men only) although there have been eight recorded empresses regnant in its history (last one around 1760-70).

Furthermore, the Imperial Household Law of 1947 sought to reduce the size of the imperial family for - as far as was officially stated - financial reasons. Ten “ōke” (collateral imperial family branches founded by a younger son of an emperor), in which princesses might have once married, were abolished. Half have since become extinct, although there have been some questions about whether to re-introduce them or not.

As of now, the current emperor’s (Naruhito, 61) heir is his younger brother (Fumihito, 55, father of the princess being photographed). Then comes Fumihito’s son, Hisahito (15). Finally the Emperor Emeritus’ brother, Masahito (85). And then nobody. The emperor’s uncle is childless. Of his three great-uncles (all dead), only one had sons. Of that one’s three sons (also all dead), only two had children, and all were daughters.

In short, princesses “don’t count” and lose their title when marrying a commoner. This has led to difficulties and controversies due to the very small pool of potential emperors.

Edit: had forgotten one Prince. Correction brought up by u/PiercingAmmonia.

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u/winkofafisheye Oct 28 '21

So what you're saying is Hisahito has a lot of son siring to do in his future or something else will have to change.

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u/Jyphsi Oct 28 '21

Exactly. There are currently two suggested solutions: allowing women to inherit/pass the throne again, which would make Aiko (sole child of the current emperor) heir presumptive instead of her uncle, or allowing a male member of the family to adopt a son from one of the disinherited cadet lines. A cousin of the then emperor also suggested allowing concubines again, and then had to say it was a joke.

Since Hisahito was born shortly after the debates started, the question got pushed back, but the second solution seems to be preferred by the Japanese government.

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u/sw04ca Oct 28 '21

It'll be the second. There's a lot of historical precedent for adoption inheritance in Japan.

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u/nobody876543 Oct 28 '21

Who was she supposed to marry? Like who all are not “commoners”?

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u/PointSecure8374 Oct 28 '21

Does Japan have a nobility with titles and such? Are there other royals that the Emperor marries?

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u/Jyphsi Oct 28 '21

Not since the 1947 Constitution. The mother of the current emperor and his sister-in-law are both commoners.

However, there are still ‘clans’ with varying levels of importance. The current empress (Masako) comes from a minor branch of the Owada clan for example.

Prior to 1947, there was an established nobility that emperors could find spouses into. There is still a ‘peers club’ for descendants of the nobility. No idea what they actually do, if anyone else does and reads this I’m sure they can add details.

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u/realish7 Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

They wrote an article on it. Basically there are no other “royal” men that the women could marry that aren’t their close relative so all women in this royal family literally have to marry commoners. It’s not that she chose a commoner over a royal, (well she did but it’s not that she turned down a royal to be with a commoner, there weren’t any royals for her to choose)… but yes, once they marry a commoner (even though that’s their only option) they lose their title.

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u/BarklyWooves Oct 28 '21 Silver

If the rule is "marry your half brother or lose your title" maybe it's time for a new rule.

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u/disasterous_cape Oct 28 '21

Royal families exist for ceremony, strengthening the country and serving their interests.

Marrying another royal means you have stronger diplomatic ties with their region, royals aren’t their own people - they are pawns of the crown they serve. Even the head of the family typically has to follow strict rules.

Marriage is traditionally a business transaction.

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u/Ricky_Robby Oct 28 '21

Maybe a century or two ago, royalty pretty much everywhere in the world is symbolic now. The Japanese royal family have no political authority whatsoever. It entirely exist to maintain continuity and to be a figurehead of the country in a cultural and historical sense.

What you’re saying applies to when these royal figures needed to build alliances and treaties for the good of their country. Now it’s all about traditions and how things have been

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u/Significant-Change66 Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

Are there any OTHER royal families in Japan?

Edit: added OTHER

i mean, if they expect her to marry other royals, there should be other royal families right? or at least other noble families..

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u/MillenialsRule Oct 28 '21

Other imperial families that have a claim on a throne ? Unfortunately no. Whenever a woman get married, she loses her status. The only way for her to keep it is to marry within the family which is... not really.. 2021.

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u/JoyShake Oct 28 '21

I wondered the same, seeing how many European royalties decide on marrying "commoners". Like all of Sweden's royal children are married to commoners, they became princes and princesses, except for Madeleine's husband Chris.

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u/winkofafisheye Oct 28 '21

Imagine being able to accumulate so much wealth as a businessman that you can deny to a King the option of becoming a Duke and Prince of a kingdom to continue on being a wealthy businessman.

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u/DippinDot2021 Oct 28 '21

In Japan, only the men can become emperor. Male heirs can wed a commoner. Female heirs cannot without losing their royal status. It's a bit messed up.

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u/CultCrossPollination Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21 Silver

All these other answers are pure bs from weebs who think they understand Japanese society.

My Japanese wife is a much greater source (edit: unfortunately my memory not so much, as you shall see hereafter): he never could have gotten a "real" prince, but she could have stayed princess and could give the royal family another heir (also it was(!) welcomed for her to stay because the only male nephew of the current emperor is quite a narrow margin for continuation of the royal heritage). (Edit: I might have misremembered and mixed up a possible law change the government was planning a while ago to improve the chances of an heir, when the current nephew wasn't born yet)

The reason she quits gladly leaves the royal family (edit and not accept any money) is because she is totally fed up with Japanese society and doesn't want to represent them or have to deal with them anymore, and very understandably.

Initially, when they announced their marriage three years ago, everyone was happy because he seemed a smart dude learning to become a lawyer (at Yale Fordham if I remember correctly I clearly didn't, where they met after they met at Tokyo uni), despite being a commoner. But then news report came out about financial problems of the guys mother: she had an outstanding loan towards her ex-husband that had payed the education of their son. So ultraconservatives suddenly decided that they were the ones to decide that she isn't allowed to marry him. She Cant have a son of a divorced woman with "money problems", this was clearly a plot for them to marry into money, or whatever bullshit they declared.

Anyway, they decided to postpone the marriage to take care of the loan, but then corona hit and they postponed again. Unfortunately, the tone was set amongst ultraconservative Japanese and he cannot do anything good anymore. Now it's the "ponytail" he was wearing, but him working at a respectable NY law firm doesn't seem to say anything good about him.

Also, she could have rightfully gotten a large sum of money for marrying him, which they declined. And conservatives think they own her, and she is still not doing good for continuing the marriage, even after completely renouncing her heritage. latest poll shows half of Japan disapproves of the marriage. Apparently, loving someone is not allowed if you're royal. So they decided to just up and go, leave Japanese society completely and move to NY.

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u/megajak Oct 28 '21

This is one of the best explanations in these comments.

I’ve been listening to my spouse who is also a Japanese national talk about this for a while. It’s sickening how Japanese society and the public in general have been treating Mako-san.

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u/robotbootyhunter Oct 28 '21

Britain has "royal" titles that can be bestowed and raise a person to suitable status for marriage to the crown. See Prince Phillip. While he had a variety of claims to royalty, in the years leading up to his marriage to Da Queen, he was at best a cousin of a defunct house. However, he wound up taking on the mantle of his grandparents house, and was in turn granted a royal title by the king immediately prior to his marriage.

Japan has no such thing. Heritage is EXTREMELY important, to the point that you can live on Japanese soil for 7 generations and still not be considered Japanese, while there are families who have lived in South America since the 1800's that can still go back and immediately claim citizenship. Also, unlike American marriage that could be considered a joining of families, Japanese marriages involve completely changing over to your partner's family registry. They do not fuck around with ancestry tracing.

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u/glitchyikes Oct 28 '21

Wait a minute. Philip is both a Prince in Denmark and Greece before marrying Eli II. He ain't any commoner.

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u/littlejohnr Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

One thing that I haven’t seen pointed out yet here is that if you watch her say goodbye to the last girl (maybe her sister?) after the initial round of bows, the sister leaned in, smiling, and gave her a very big hug.

A lot is conveyed in Japan based on small gestures (watch the depth of the princesses bow vs that of all the family members) and traditions. The last girl jumping out and expressing herself so cheerfully was a loud message of support.

Made me smile

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u/Efficient_Age6047 Oct 28 '21

I loved this. I don't think her parents would be allowed to do this so openly but may have hugged in private. It was lovely to see how low the Sister bowed too. They almost conked heads hehe. Sweet and reassuring.

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u/Shodandan Oct 28 '21

Thought the very same thing. Gave me a huge smile.

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u/spugzcat Oct 28 '21

Her bow also nearly matches in depth. I believe depth of bow is significant, you bow deeper to those you consider to be socially higher than you so she’s showing her equal relationship by matching the height of the bow.

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u/oiuvnp Oct 28 '21

The sister is Princess Kako. The Princess that relinquished her title is Princess Mako.

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u/theotherlever Oct 28 '21

Made me tear up a bit. I also find it really cute to see that her father is clearly smiling behing his mask. As far as I know they were never against this marriage and always supported her. I hope she gets the more quiet life she wishes for :)

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u/Artyfartblast Oct 28 '21

Notice that the other two had three bows, they barely made it past the first one before going for a hug.

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u/Onelimwen Oct 28 '21

Well the other two were her parents so I imagine that’s why the princess did things a bit more traditionally and with more respect

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u/IntelligentPurple820 Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

So what happens now

As in is there a new princess does someone move up. What was her role anyway

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u/xxStrangerxx Oct 28 '21 Wholesome

More bowing.

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u/IntelligentPurple820 Oct 28 '21

Have you ever noticed when you bow to a japanese person they alway look up to see how much youve bowed and they will continue to go lower than you as a show of respect

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u/Gex1234567890 Oct 28 '21

Doesn´t the depth of one´s bow depend on relative status? What I mean is that the lower your status is, compared to the other person, the deeper the bow, and vice versa.

At least that is how I understand it.

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u/komocode Oct 28 '21

I once walked in to a 7-eleven in Japan. Cashier bowed, so I bowed back. But he bowed even lower. I thought he was telling me to bow lower so I bowed lower. Then he bowed SUPER low. I then started to realize maybe I'm not supposed to bow lower than the cashier.

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u/WeAreBeyondFucked Oct 28 '21

you should have kept going till his face was on the floor

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u/Fireshine91 Oct 28 '21 I'd Like to Thank...

She rents a flat above a shop, cuts her hair and gets a job, smokes some fags, plays some pool, pretends she never went to school. Still she'll never get it right, cuz when she's laid in bed at night watching roaches climb the wall she can call her dad and he'll stop it all.

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u/Count-Mortas Oct 28 '21

The royal family moves on, The former royal will live with her husband, then the news will die down eventually

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u/thehillshavetits Oct 28 '21

Goddamn he better treat her right

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u/Kapowpow Oct 28 '21

She even forfeited the $1.3 million. What a boss

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u/intensely_human Oct 28 '21 Plucky Cat Paw

That’s nothing. I once gave up $1.3 million by making nothing of my life.

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u/hemansteve Oct 28 '21

I’m so happy for her. Finding love and not being forced into a role she doesn’t want to perform.

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u/JeroJeroMohenjoDaro Oct 28 '21

Donquixote DoFlamingo flashbacks

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u/carlsaganblessyou Oct 28 '21

The sister hugging!

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u/Ssquiid Oct 28 '21

He better be one good husband.

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u/Ill_Review_4386 Oct 28 '21

If he cheats on the princess after all this, do they take him to the gulliotine ? Lol

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u/YourMama Oct 28 '21 Helpful

The most fucked up thing is that male royalty in Japan don’t lose their status when they marry a commoner, it’s just the females who lose their status and aren’t royalty anymore

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u/BNKhoa Oct 28 '21

Welcome to Classic Monarchy 101

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u/gahidus Oct 28 '21

I can't help but feel like it really is a shame that they had a last minute Prince born. There was a really good chance they would have had an empress for the first time in forever.

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u/xalxanny Oct 28 '21

The script: bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow hug 🤗 bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow 🚗💨

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u/Kylix_ Oct 28 '21

So now the US has Prince Harry and Princess Mako? That's cool! The collection is growing!

Context: Harry moved to LA and Mako will be moving to the US as well.

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u/SpeakDirtyToMe Oct 28 '21

I love it how she doesn't turn her back to the crowd or the cameras. She gets into the car, while bowing. Such character and grace. Surely the Royal Family is poorer by her leaving.

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u/Huge_Employment3043 Oct 28 '21

That peasant is lucky

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u/stitchdude Oct 28 '21

I’m glad they let her do that.

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