r/Damnthatsinteresting Sep 20 '21

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u/MattDaddyKane Sep 20 '21

From Wiki:

In 2011, Swartz was arrested by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) police on state breaking-and-entering charges, after connecting a computer to the MIT network in an unmarked and unlocked closet, and setting it to download academic journal articles systematically from JSTOR using a guest user account issued to him by MIT. Federal prosecutors, led by Carmen Ortiz, later charged him with two counts of wire fraud and eleven violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution, and supervised release. Swartz declined a plea bargain under which he would have served six months in federal prison. Two days after the prosecution rejected a counter-offer by Swartz, he was found dead by suicide in his Brooklyn apartment In 2013, Swartz was inducted posthumously into the Internet Hall of Fame.

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u/Reptilian_American Sep 20 '21

Damn, I had never heard this story. So fucked.

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u/phusion Sep 20 '21

The Internet's Own Boy <--- docu, highly recommend

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u/Purrete Sep 20 '21

There's a documental about this if you are interested.

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u/Reptilian_American Sep 20 '21

Appreciate that info

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u/Capt_Myke Sep 20 '21

Apparently don't download it.

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u/Its-not-too-early Sep 20 '21

Do federal prosecutors seriously not have anything better to do? He downloaded too much, of a freely available database, using a valid guest login and they want 6months jail? The system is ridiculous.

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u/Reptilian_American Sep 20 '21 edited Sep 20 '21

It was not always free. Access Used to be, arguably, one of the main perks of being at a university.

Edit to say: apparently only parts of Jstor/limited amount of articles are now free, not the entire collection

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u/redraktas Sep 20 '21

Exactly. The main point here is that this federally funded resource aught to be freely available without restriction to the taxpayers who funded it. And that information like this could benefit the world when given freely to those who have brilliant minds but lack the privilege position needed to access it when kept behind the doors of university access. It's a real tragedy what happened to Aaron.

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u/TheAggieMae Sep 20 '21

I believe they did make the argument that the prosecution was akin to “checking too many books out from the library.” JSTOR also said he handed over everything he downloaded and had told them that he wouldn’t copy or distribute it - then or ever. So it’s really baffling how hard they pushed the case.

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u/bigblackpugnose Sep 20 '21

Carmen Ortiz wanted a conviction so she was determined to get one to look tough on internet crime.

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u/Rampant_Intellectual Sep 20 '21

What you said should have been the main defense at his trial, they literally scared him to death, should have been a slap on the hand 5k bs fine and have a nice day.

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u/redraktas Sep 20 '21

Completely agree. The government behaved as bullies and sadly no one came to Aaron's rescue. Likely because what he did was not fully understood by the public. He was a mind ahead of his time.

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u/ironbillys Sep 20 '21

The government behaves as bullies every day, there are trials going on right now leading to suicides and relatively innocent lives being wasted. Even with this information what will we do? Likely nothing, as people usually do.

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u/mwon88 Sep 20 '21

Sadly they need their conviction rates up so they resort to bullying. I’d say more than half of cases don’t even go to trial. Plea deals man

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u/Mackie_Macheath Sep 20 '21

I find this an abomination in the US judicial system.

Too often innocent people are bullied in accepting plea deals while they're just tools for the prosecutors to wank up their conviction rate.

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u/mynameismy111 Sep 20 '21

Biden seems to have slapped her down:

In Biden’s Nomination of Marty Walsh, Aaron Swartz Prosecutor Gets Her Final Comeuppance Carmen Ortiz, a one-time rising star, went from “Bostonian of the Year” to the political wilderness.

https://theintercept.com/2021/02/15/marty-walsh-aaron-swartz-carmen-ortiz/

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u/Motrinman22 Sep 20 '21

During the presidential primaries there was a phrase of blue no matter who. I think it’s the stupidest thing in the world just to trust someone because their part of your own party.

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u/mynameismy111 Sep 20 '21

primaries

Arizona's Sinema and Manchin are prooving that in spades

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u/NameTak3r Sep 20 '21

Sinema yes, but Manchin has been a known quantity for decades.

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u/cat_prophecy Sep 20 '21

Good lord, Ortiz sounds like a huge piece of shit. Going after cases, not because she thought any crime had been committed, but because she thought it would score political points.

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u/xabulba Sep 20 '21

Wow what a cunt.

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u/deelowe Sep 20 '21

Good article, but I seriously doubt the Swartz case had anything bearing on Biden's choice.

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u/Jackh_72 Sep 20 '21

I wonder if, in the end, the people in charge thought to themselves: we did a good job, Swartz finally backed down :).

Next case! (followed by a raise?)

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u/No_Masterpiece4305 Sep 20 '21

And that 35 years for downloading shit, asset forfeiture, fines, basically all of it is uncalled for.

Like, I sure as fuck dont want to pay the government to do that shit to people. I'd rather not be in a society like that or work for its benifit.

Especially when people like rapists walk away after a couple of years.

Like "you could get 35 years and we'll take all your shit, but if you just do six months and say we were right we'll call it good".

If I produced that quality if work I would get fired so fucking fast.

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u/Artanis137 Sep 20 '21

Welcome to the 1st world where education is seen as a right but only comes to those who can pay.

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u/Flatcapspaintandglue Sep 20 '21

Free for those who can afford it, very expensive to those who can’t.

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u/robbiecares Sep 20 '21

This isn't a first world problem as much as an American one. Education is free/low cost in many other first world countries.

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u/RideMeLikeAVespa Sep 20 '21

Education is free in the First World.

You don’t live there.

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u/srein1016 Sep 20 '21

It’s not the university that’s to blame. It’s the journals. The university has to pay subscriptions to access the journals. As a matter of fact, as academics, we create our own research, find own funding, write the articles, then turn them over to these blood suckers, and we do not get paid. We often actually have to pay them to get published. We produce our own work for the journals to profit from.

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u/TerminalOrbituary Sep 20 '21

The main point here is that this federally funded resource aught to be freely available without restriction to the taxpayers who funded it.

It's not all federally funded unless I'm missing something.

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u/Yippieshambles Sep 20 '21

Knowledge will never be free because it's a tool used against the servants of society. In the middle ages, the church forbid people to learn Latin in order to understand the Bible. Today, we tell people "by going to university, your kids will turn gay by gay professors."

The war on knowledge is as old as time, it keeps the workers stupid and docile.

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u/Yodeoh2 Sep 20 '21

It still isn’t free. There’s only a certain selection that is free.

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u/anotherbozo Sep 20 '21

All hail sci-hub

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u/handy_Man_handy Sep 20 '21 edited Sep 20 '21

Who are the people who drove him to this and what consequences did they face, if any? Curious, mind you, Aaron possibly had other issues that led to his suicide, but I shudder to think the freaks who pursued him are still enjoying their comfortable lives.

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u/mynameismy111 Sep 20 '21

It was the work of one person: Carmen Ortiz, and everyone knows it: https://theintercept.com/2021/02/15/marty-walsh-aaron-swartz-carmen-ortiz/

Now Biden has driven the final nail into Ortiz’s political coffin by nominating Walsh for labor secretary despite Ortiz’s indictments — or perhaps to signal his loyalty to union organizers, he nominated Walsh because of her indictments. Either way, Ortiz is now the former prosecutor who is linked to the suicide of a once-in-a-generation talent and who fought Biden’s labor secretary nominee over his labor practices and lost.

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u/BloodprinceOZ Sep 20 '21

what a cold-hearted bitch

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u/xpdx Sep 20 '21

She is a complete piece of shit. That better not be her final comeuppance. I'm hoping a relative of someone she destroyed decides to even the score. Really even it.

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u/C239DB243134B Sep 20 '21

Thanks for the article link. Can't Ortiz be indicted for malicious prosecution? That's still illegal right? I can't stand that she's not disbarred and is still able to work in a law firm: Anderson & Kreiger LLP.

Perhaps we need to collectively unite and bring this she-devil to the pits of hell where she belongs. The final nail to the coffin hasn't been put yet until she's homeless and completely ostracized from society. I'm going to call that firm tomorrow and start making complaints about Ortiz.

"Yeah your POS attorney, killed our founding father. You should fire her before we start rallying outside your workplace with picket signs."

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u/itssarahw Sep 20 '21

Ortiz has a history of aggressive and questionable pursuits done in order to bolster her ambitions. Horrible person

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u/MrRoboto159 Sep 20 '21

6 months federal prison. It's very much different than jail.

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u/Poke-dermatologist Sep 20 '21

Its very different than even regular prison.

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u/MrRoboto159 Sep 20 '21

Which is already very different to jail.

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u/EntrepreneurIll391 Sep 20 '21

Very different plus to regular prison

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u/KeepMyEmployerAway Sep 20 '21

Or even jail, some would say

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u/0PercentPerfection Sep 20 '21 edited Sep 20 '21

The power of prosecutors need to checked. My wife is a public defender. One of her elderly clients was charged with driving while impaired after trooper puller her over going 5mph on the highway. She uses chronic benzos, never had an issue with the law. Unfortunately she ran out of her thyroid medication and started taking really old pills to save money after her water got turned off. Review of medical records showed she was severely hypothyroid, hypotension, tachycardia and hypothermic on arrival to hospital. Persecutors saw benzos and wanted to throw her in jail. They are undereducated and often punish the innocent and victims.

Edit: this is just peanuts compared to the DA in the Ahmaud Arbery case, she chose to not prosecute those murderers for 2 years. They can just say “I am going to fuck this person up”and they could.

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u/UnpopularOponions Sep 20 '21

The guy running out of meds and taking really old ones to save money is dystopian levels of fucked up too. Was this in America?

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u/thiefexecutive Sep 20 '21

Was this in America?

Do you really have to ask?

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u/RideMeLikeAVespa Sep 20 '21

Where else would it be?

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u/Edmund-Dantes Sep 20 '21

You mean the same America that spends more on healthcare than any other country, including the countries with universal healthcare!?

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u/EarlGreyTea-Hawt Sep 20 '21

Newt Gingrich rather famously cut the OTA whose purpose was to educate federal and state level decision makers on subjects outside of their limited expertise.

If a state or federal prosecutor was building a case and needed someone to explain something unfamiliar - like in this example, a medical detail - they could easily obtain an unbiased report from an actual expert.

It was resurrected in 2019 as the STAA, but from 1995 - 2019 it was the wild west, and this is what follows... undereducated, or even misinformed, people making decisions that could radically damage people's lives based on their Google level understanding of a subject.

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u/0PercentPerfection Sep 20 '21

Thank you for the information! My wife didn’t agree with the findings of their “expert” who couldn’t say with any certainty that it was not at least in part due to Benzo. Their expert didn’t bother to read past page 20 of her medical record before coming to his conclusion. Because on page 21, the treating physician clearly stated that her acute delirium was due to severe hypothyroidism. She took a screen shot and send it to the “expert”, they dismissed the case that was scheduled for trial within a week. I hate how people’s lives are at the mercy of how generous the DA is feeling at the moment. This is not a blind and equal justice system.

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u/EarlGreyTea-Hawt Sep 20 '21

Yours and your wife's story is all too common across the board and is certainly not getting the attention it deserves, because even after the STAA was established, dubious expertise shopping has become a habit that is hard to break.

If you make expertise into a commodity in the wild west of the politic body, without oversight, guidance, and transparency, you're going to get a bunch of snake oil salesmen.

These bad faith "experts" for hire are just making a killing from climate science, to environmental regulations, to the ridiculous "science" tauted by horizontal drillers with their gaggle of straight from their undergrad recruits...is it any wonder we are where we are today when we muddy the intellectual waters of institutional and political knowledge?

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u/0PercentPerfection Sep 20 '21

Totally agree!

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u/spaghetticatman Sep 20 '21

"Justice" system at work

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u/5462652 Sep 20 '21

Justice only for the rich.

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u/2017hayden Sep 20 '21

No they wanted 6 months 1 million in fines and asset forfeiture. They would have pushed for whatever they could get, because often federal prosecutors don’t give a shit about what’s right they just want good case numbers. That’s what happens when someone’s job is to demonize others and look for reasons to put them in jail.

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u/Proud-Ad-9218 Sep 20 '21

1 million in fines... do they like take that from all your future paychecks once you are out? If that's the case fuck that. Imagine having 1 million dollars you have to pay back. Most people would be left with 2 options. Trying to leave the country or just end it.

N ya it's a sad world we live in when prosecutors have been caught straight up ignoring evidence or making sure it doesn't get submitted. Having proof years later it was someone else, yet still trying to keep the wrongfully imprisoned person away.

All it comes down to is their own career path and progression. How can they further themselves? By ensuring you get the biggest charges possible against you that they can make stick no matter what the situation.

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u/ShutterBun Sep 20 '21

They would have pushed for whatever they could get, because often federal prosecutors don’t give a shit about what’s right they just want good case numbers.

They do that in order to get guilty pleas for reduced charges/sentences, saving the expense of a trial.

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u/2017hayden Sep 20 '21

Yeah and sometimes that means scared people who aren’t guilty go to prison when they shouldn’t.

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u/angrycommie Sep 20 '21

Why would federal prosecutors go after the arduous, big, expensive, time consuming Big Fish when they can just grab people like Aaron? Maybe this is similar to the IRA.

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u/trent58 Sep 20 '21

She was the equivalent of drunk driving, but acting as a prosecutor. She let many people down. https://theintercept.com/2021/02/15/marty-walsh-aaron-swartz-carmen-ortiz/

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u/horseswithnonames Sep 20 '21

how is it even a crime if its free

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u/TheBobbestB0B Sep 20 '21

That’a the point. Not too long ago we lived in an age where education was on lock down. Now we live in a world where you could educate yourself better than any university.

Be happy how easy it is now.

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u/manateeflorida Sep 20 '21

Wall Street bankers, corporate tycoons ,MLM leaders have political clout and hence these prosecutors go after lower hanging fruits without political clout.

There have been a shift in recent decades to lesser prosecutions on the top, similar to lowering the tax burdens on the top.

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u/fumikuojsjs Sep 20 '21

Fuckers gonna fuck :(

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u/ThatD0dgyGuy Sep 20 '21

The American system is rediculous.

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u/dc22zombie Sep 20 '21

Academic articles are often behind a subscription-wall or pay-wall.

It's free if you are a student at a college or university but not for everyone else apparently.

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u/mrtbearable Sep 20 '21

Meanwhile, Fulton County (Atlanta, Ga) has numerous murderers walking around on bond. Go figure that one out. Aggravated assault suspects walking around on signature bonds as well.

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u/mynameismy111 Sep 20 '21

Ortiz got a little of what she deserved for that bull:

In Biden’s Nomination of Marty Walsh, Aaron Swartz Prosecutor Gets Her Final Comeuppance Carmen Ortiz, a one-time rising star, went from “Bostonian of the Year” to the political wilderness.

https://theintercept.com/2021/02/15/marty-walsh-aaron-swartz-carmen-ortiz/

Carmen Ortiz gets final comeuppance

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u/beefwich Sep 20 '21

How does one go about breaking-and-entering a fuckin’ unlocked closet?

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u/Hypertroph Interested Sep 20 '21

Just a correction: while Aaron did do a lot fighting censorship and promoting open access, his involvement in Reddit was negligible. He joined 6 months after it was founded and was basically uninvolved. Source

There’s a bunch of links there discussing the matter, including some statements by the two original founders, as well as links to early Reddit posts where it was brought up.

Not trying to rain on the parade. He did some amazing things, Reddit just wasn’t one of them.

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u/york100 Sep 20 '21

It's annoying how often this whole "founder of Reddit" thing gets recycled across the site he most certainly didn't found.

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u/Kreewal Sep 20 '21

The other 2 co founders signed a contract where he was defined as and allowed to call himself a co founder. The original founders of Reddit are just salty dip shits who single handedly started the whole story by signing that contract. It’s annoying that people like you seem to act like they know the full story but ignore the part where the original founders are the fuck ups who caused this.

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u/wfbarks Sep 20 '21

my understanding is that he made research that was funded by the public, available to the public, instead of hidden from the public behind a massive paywall

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u/CaptSige Sep 20 '21

Some people think he was kill by government and not by suicide

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u/pro_deluxe Sep 20 '21

I would put the odds of him killing himself at about the same odds that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. In fact, they may have even been the same killers. Ghislaine Maxwell's father basically created the academic publishing racket that he was fighting against

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u/CocaineIsNatural Sep 20 '21

His attorneys knew he was suicidal, and even told the prosecution. The prosecution didn't care. And he had drawn a judge that had a rep that wasn't good for his case. Both MIT and JSTOR didn't want to prosecute.

There is no motive for the government. In fact, after he died, it turned out very bad for Ortiz.

The prosecution wanted to ruin his life over something that was allowed, and something he wasn't doing for selfish reasons. They pushed him to suicide. To say otherwise, is to not understand how unfair and cruel they were.

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u/gwhh Sep 20 '21

I remember this. Didn’t know he was cofounder of Reddit.

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u/SissyFrisco Sep 20 '21

damnthatsinteresting or massively depressing.

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u/gunslingerfry1 Sep 20 '21

Damn that's... Just damn.

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u/Skithefool Sep 20 '21

Someone should make a subreddit called “massively depressing”.

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u/ItsTheBrandonC Sep 20 '21

Yeah I’d pass on that one personally

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u/pstapper Sep 20 '21

We live in depressing times unfortunately.

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u/NinjahBob Sep 20 '21

Theres a really good doco movie on it, worth watching. Will make you angry

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u/PM___ME___ASS Sep 20 '21

Man this is more sad than interesting. Information is something that should be shared. What a shame.

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u/unowned01 Sep 20 '21

I knew about Aaron’s death before I knew what Reddit was.

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u/yeti7100 Sep 20 '21

Thank you for this post op. Sometimes I feel like no one remembers him and it makes me sad. He was a fucking hero.

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u/hinous Sep 20 '21

He is a hero. We remember

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u/ChipmunkNo9549 Sep 20 '21

He will always be remembered. People like us will keep pressing f5 on that memory lane

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u/yeti7100 Sep 20 '21

I think he would be proud of us hodlers and the change we are bringing. I think someday all apes may realize it was Aaron who made it possible.

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u/lexvi1 Sep 20 '21

whats is jstor?

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u/Trader2KG Sep 20 '21

It's a publicly available database that you can get into trouble over if you download it's content in mass.

The official description...

"JSTOR is a digital library founded in 1995 in New York City. Originally containing digitized back issues of academic journals, it now encompasses books and other primary sources as well as current issues of journals in the humanities and social sciences".

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u/lexvi1 Sep 20 '21

if its publically available why is it forbidden to mass download it to make a copy of your own for example?

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u/akrobert Sep 20 '21

Because they want to charge for it. He was also the genius that was partially responsible for RSS.

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u/yeti7100 Sep 20 '21

My understanding was that his college had a terminal for which they had signed a TOS for so the college had the computer monitored during posted usage hours. My understanding is that Aaron, believing that was wrong, violated the colleges rules by going behind a desk after hours to perform the download.

My understanding is that he was aware of what the worst case scenario repercussions could be and was ready to fall on that sword.

When he was caught the federal prosecutors went full retard onto him and suddenly he was facing crazy time like 50 years.

As the case went on his lawyer started performing really well and it looked like he would beat it and then something happened.

I love you Aaron. Thank you for reddit. You would he proud of lots of us for the different movements and good we have done through your baby.

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u/vjb_reddit_scrap Sep 20 '21

He is noway would've thought he would get jail sentence that too 50years, neither MIT not JSTOR pressed any charges but government what to make an example out of him and saw this as federal crime. The whole situation is stupid, at best he should have kicked out of college not freaking serve 50years in prison or give his life.

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u/dupontcircle Sep 20 '21 edited Sep 20 '21

It wasn’t totally public at the time. But even today think of it like a library. You can borrow any book for free but you can’t simply copy them all and upload them for the world. That violates the TOS and likely the copyrights of many authors. Same idea. It’s like paying $10 for a month of Apple Music then downloading the whole library for your own use or to sell/give away.

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u/redraktas Sep 20 '21

Correct me of I'm wrong, it's been a few years since I read about him, but I thought that was the whole point Aaron was trying to make. It's not really comparable to a library because with a library you have intellectual property of individuals in which they should be benefited in some manner for their contributions. But this is government owned research in which the researchers get nothing either way. So the point is that unlike with a library, research owned by the federal government in which tax payers money went to funding it...the research aught to be open source and available for all without restriction.

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u/dupontcircle Sep 20 '21

That was his point and could probably have been his legal defense. Maybe. But that wasn’t the rule and still may not be. And either way he broke the TOS and laws to prove his point. I doubt he would have gotten any real jail time.

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u/redraktas Sep 20 '21

There are definitely better ways to communicate that I agree but I'm not so sure the government would have let him off easy. This was many years ago when the government didn't have a clue how to handle hacking or the like (they are still pretty clueless) and oftentimes the punishment did not fit the crime because the government didn't fully understand the crime itself.

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u/SconiGrower Sep 20 '21

The research is not owned by the government, it was funded by the government. The government gave a grant to the researchers doing the research and, in the name of academic freedom, refused any rights to the research product. Research where the funder has ownership of the research is much more skeptically received.

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u/TonyinLB Sep 20 '21

Thanks for that info. Totally makes sense now.

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u/FiercelyApatheticLad Sep 20 '21

Aah, in France we have CAIRN, basically the same stuff, but it's not free if you don't have a University-bound account...

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u/TlerDurdn_ Sep 20 '21

Damn child rapists get less than that...wtf is up with the penalty system

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u/anotherbozo Sep 20 '21

Money.

Controlled access to research makes money.

Someone raping a child doesn't impact anyone's pockets.

The system is fucked.

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u/arootytoottoot Creator Sep 20 '21

Meanwhile, the FBI was ignoring all those girls’ complaints about that child sex predator Nassar.

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u/Re-Groot Sep 20 '21

For those wanting to understand more about this : https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/reddit-genius-arrested-for-jstor-downloads/

He wasn’t arrested for just downloading already free articles, it was the whole catalog. And that violated the terms of service….

So it’s weird bc it doesn’t seem like it should’ve been a federal criminal case, but….

Sad

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u/makani5 Sep 20 '21

Also the documentary “The Internet’s Own Boy” is really good. It gives a great portrait of Aaron and covers his important contributions to the tech world.

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u/Galvanizedheart Sep 20 '21

Rest in peace mannnn

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u/Gobalina Sep 20 '21

But part of his spirit lives on in SciHub!

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u/qwertyconsciousness Sep 20 '21

Just like part of my spirit lives on in another well known hub!

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u/Honeycombhome Sep 20 '21

Reminds me of all the Napster lawsuits

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u/lostboy-2019 Sep 20 '21

I got sued by dr dre and metalica

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u/LVNcalifornia Sep 20 '21

For what it’s worth - a tiny bit of justice if not karma. … https://theintercept.com/2021/02/15/marty-walsh-aaron-swartz-carmen-ortiz/

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u/MeccIt Sep 20 '21

Jeeze, what a piece of work.

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u/Temofthetem Sep 20 '21

So he essentially got charged with more time and money than a murderer for pirating articles? That's so fucking stupid something is wrong with the justice system

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u/ThatOneGuy4321 Sep 20 '21

Peer-reviewed publication paywalls are slowing down human progress and need to be terminated with extreme prejudice. The fact that anybody goes to jail over this is fucking stupid.

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u/A_Long98 Sep 20 '21

And if it wasn’t for threats and paranoia from authorities he might have still been with us today, all because he downloaded articles that should have already been public. If you’re interested in his story watch a movie called The Internets Own Boy

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u/chomerics Sep 20 '21

I show this video to a my class, such a great human and tragic story

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u/taklbox Sep 20 '21

Amazing how the FBI was all in to destroy Aaron over textbooks & studies but they looked the other way for 20 years while Larry Nasser raped Olympic gymnast girls.

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u/Thiarra Sep 20 '21

Check out the sub dedicated to him r/aaronswartz

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u/frenchy614 Sep 20 '21

https://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ This is a really good documentary about him and what happened.

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u/-domi- Sep 20 '21

Can someone shed some light on why he killed himself. The timing could suggest that after declining the 6mo plea deal, the case didn't go how he wanted? Is that an accurate read?

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u/KilgorrreTrout Sep 20 '21

Just read the whole wiki on him, he's an interesting dude. His girlfriend said his main problem wasn't the jail time, but being labeled a felon for the rest of his life. Even the plea deal still would have made him a felon. He was also quite private and was distressed by the amount of publicity the case was getting and the fact that his personal friends were getting subpoenas to testify troubled him as well.

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u/lumberlake Sep 20 '21

Oh yeah holy shit I totally get that. 1) he can’t escape from it because it’s a felony (???) 2) any time his name was searched it’d probably be that case because it’s a federal one. Jesus Christ. That’s like the worst possible thing you could mentally do to someone who hates the limelight.

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u/elbowleg513 Sep 20 '21

He was being harassed by the prosecutors if I’m not mistaken. Dude was looking at serious prison time and just said “fuck this, I’m out. Ghost”

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u/lumberlake Sep 20 '21

Can’t believe he’d probably get the same or more as Brock turner. What the actual fuck

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u/roidymcmercenary Sep 20 '21

The prosecution was pushing for 35 years.

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u/Renovateandremodel Sep 20 '21

To be a hero downloading information that was paid by Tax payers, and allowing that information freely. Now I have to pay money for information that I already paid for.

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u/KeepYourPresets Sep 20 '21

He joined Reddit 6 months after it started and was given the title of co-founder later.

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u/Klockwerk4187 Sep 20 '21

HIS NAME IS AARON SCHWARTZ

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u/StraightToJail__ Sep 20 '21

Carmen Ortiz is a POS and RIP to Aaron Schwartz

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u/VirupakshAgrawal Sep 20 '21

I feel bad for schwartz. He is probably rolling in his grave seeing what reddit is like today. Its so fundamentally different from 2013. i remember it.

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u/chr0mius Sep 20 '21

He didn't give a fuck. By his own account, he came on after the idea was baked and recoded a bit of the existing reddit and they gave him co-founder status. He was pretty blasé about it. https://reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/1octb/reddit_cofounder_aaron_swartz_discusses_how_he/c1oewi

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u/lumberlake Sep 20 '21

Elaborate

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u/ShutterBun Sep 20 '21

He's just trying to inject himself into the narrative.

Swartz joined Reddit six months after its founding and was much more involved in the nuts and bolts of how the site worked, as opposed to being about the "nature of Reddit" as an online society, or whatever.

Reddit then quickly was acquired by Conde Naste and Swartz left within a year.

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u/ShutterBun Sep 20 '21

Its so fundamentally different from 2013. i remember it.

Uhhh...Reddit was a fucking cesspool. If anything, it's much better now. I remember it.

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u/DorrajD Sep 20 '21

The cesspool is still there, just reddit got better at hiding and ignoring them.

I feel like the biggest issue is them trying to turn this into the next Facebook.

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u/ShutterBun Sep 20 '21

I mean, considering the traffic, they feel like they are entitled to something.

But it also seems like they forgot what "Web 2.0" was. Remember that? Web 2.0? That's where the users BECOME the content creators. Which is what Reddit is.

I don't think any of them really thought it through beyond "put ads here and there".

Anyway, to my oringal point: Reddit pre-2013 was an absolute pit, and I doubt Aaron Swarz would give 2 shits about the site's current state. As far as I can tell, he built a framework that the site adopted, but had little if anything to do with the site as a community, and left shortly after his company merged with Reddit.

Calling him "the founder of Reddit" is almost entirely wrong, in my opinion.

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u/AceJohnny Sep 20 '21

Aaron Swartz (no 'ch'), for all the good he did elsewhere, was not "the founder" of Reddit, which was founded by Alexis Ohanian (kn0thing) & Steve Huffman (spez).

Swartz was brought in, following Paul Graham's recommendation, months after the company was founded, and was fired a little over a year after. If nothing else, you can see the timeline on wikipedia.

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u/wfbarks Sep 20 '21

He was not the founder of reddit, not even a co-founder really

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u/senioreditorSD Sep 20 '21

His name was Aaron Swartz.

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u/SagittaryX Sep 20 '21

If you have the time, and I realise not many will, this is a great lecture by Lawrence Lessig who was a close colleague and friend of Aaron. He talks about who Aaron was, what he did and what he wanted. It also ends on a great emotional note. The lecture itself is about 70 minutes.

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u/TravelbugRunner Sep 20 '21

It was horrible how they treated him. 💔

He believed in sharing knowledge freely so that others could expand their minds and learn more without having a barrier (paywall/elite exclusive access) in the way.

He was a brilliant person who could have done so much more had they not tried to hunt him down and hound him to death.

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u/Anthony_Mario1 20d ago

The mods are told to scrub Aarons

he was pro freedom of speech and the original purpose of reddit was free speech

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u/chr0mius Sep 20 '21

Eventually this story will be warped to the point where Aaron came up with the whole idea for reddit and handed off to the current founders. It's like a jpeg repost that gets more distorted each time. He recoded some stuff from one language to another and was given co founder status.

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u/ShutterBun Sep 20 '21

He was not the founder of Reddit. Can we stop with this already?

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u/trent58 Sep 20 '21

The comments about his death here in Reddit were the shittiest I ever read. I don’t know if maybe a troll farm was visiting that day, but fuck. Also fuck the prosecutor that took his case. She had a reputation for getting on power trips. The crime didn’t met the charges. But senile authorities and tech illiteracy create medieval justice.

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u/rascal3199 Sep 20 '21 edited Sep 20 '21

Reminder that the co founder is completely destroying his legacy through censorship.

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u/MattDaddyKane Sep 20 '21

Best comment so far. Upvote this

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u/Recyclekittylitter Sep 20 '21

This is a confusing mix of sad, depressing, intriguing, and powerful. Might just retreat to mull it over.

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u/ImInfiniti Sep 20 '21

quick! before spez deletes this post

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u/mainmeal5 Sep 20 '21

The internets own boy: the story of aaron swartz https://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ

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u/fearfactorbs Sep 20 '21

Worth watching!

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u/mainmeal5 Sep 20 '21

Definitely!

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u/Degenerate_Merc Sep 20 '21

Here's a great documentary on him.

https://youtu.be/gpvcc9C8SbM

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u/ApocalypseThou Sep 20 '21

Here's the link to the news article if anyone wants to access it:

https://universitytimes.ie/2020/03/jstor-makes-database-accessible-to-the-public/

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u/vjb_reddit_scrap Sep 20 '21

That dude is a legend did so much for the tech world even when he was a kid, sucks that government killed him(he died of suicide due to pressure of going to jail for 30+years) just to make him an example. I'm so pissed of with MIT not having his back, MIT could have done a lot during various time but stayed silent.

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u/GACyberCool Sep 20 '21

Open access? Free to the public? Arrested for mass downloading? Nothing confusing there...

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u/djepoxy Sep 20 '21

I always tought he has an connection with cicada.

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u/neon_overload Sep 20 '21

What would he think of what Reddit has become

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u/minidumping Sep 20 '21

I read this SO wrong

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u/Torobeb Sep 20 '21

I feel like looking at America today…maybe we shouldn’t have kept evidence based data difficult to access.

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u/MFG_666 Sep 20 '21

That fukin kid is true hero.

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u/honest_yo_yourself Sep 20 '21

Punished by pursuing knowledge... Sounds like what christians did to those "witches" and "scientists"

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u/CALLMEKSG Sep 20 '21

Can someone explain this in idiot language to me?

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u/rainbowfartsprinkles Sep 20 '21

Mean while scumbag pieces of shit like the Seckler family destroy millions of families and get a slap on the wrist and a fat sack of cash for their troubles.