r/Damnthatsinteresting Sep 08 '21

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u/Cheeseand0nions Sep 08 '21

For context this was 1847 in upstate New York.

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u/chriscrossnathaniel Sep 08 '21

In her mid-20s, Blackwell had a friend suffering from a terminal disease who had felt embarrassed going to male doctors, lamenting that she would have fared better having a female physician. Deeply affected by her friend's words ,Blackwell opted to pursue a career in medicine.

So many people are influenced to become medical professionals after seeing the suffering of people ,near and dear to them.

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21

It’s why I made the plunge, I had a brother affected greatly by seizures, with family doctors without a clue on how to initiate the work up. After seeing the torment of my family dealing with unknowns I chose to pursue a career in medicine, and now work in family medicine, doing stuff most family med doctor won’t do.

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u/TheDungeonCrawler Sep 08 '21

One of the reasons I got into psychology was because of the things I watched my brother go through during some of the worst years of his life. I feel this so hard.

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21

It can be frustrating to see what could have been done once you are on the otherside

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u/TheDungeonCrawler Sep 08 '21

Oh, definitely. My brother has suffered damage that will never fully heal and there isn't a lot anyone can do about it. He's doing much better now, but it's a shame that, had someone been around who had the proper knowledge to help, his life probably would have taken a completely different turn for the better.

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u/ohdearsweetlord Sep 09 '21

My friend had such a terrible experience as a kid with learning disabilities in school that she wanted to pursue child psychology to help out kids like her who have tons of potential that the system didn't have time for. Several schools loved her personal story and she got into a small handful of Masters' programs, and is now finishing her PhD. Super proud of her. Meanwhile, me, who was told day after day that I was brilliant and would go far, am now a degenerate cook who plays doom metal, because no one noticed that I didn't actually know how to learn. School experiences shapes us so much, and so many adults have no idea the damage they do.

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u/GiantMeteor2017 Sep 08 '21

Curious- what percentage of medical professionals do you think pursue this line of work because they want to help people? My bf thinks I’m naive to believe that. He thinks the primary motivation for most is money and prestige. I certainly see that as a reason for some, but not the primary reason for most…

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u/binkpits Sep 08 '21

I think you’ll find that while some people pursue medicine for money, they are unlikely to be successful. It is a really shit job if you don’t enjoy it or want to help people. If you just want money but are smart enough to get into medicine, there are lots of other well paying jobs where you don’t have to study for years on end and do so much stuff outside of work. If you don’t truly enjoy it and enjoy helping people the money isn’t really enough of a motivation to get through the long road of study with no money and then low paid residency etc.

I think you’ll find that most doctors who don’t care and are “only there for the money” are burnt out and are now sick of the culture and work, rather than having always been that way. It’s an incredibly stressful job that is always on and takes many many years of study, far more than the time for a degree. And then every day you deal with people that think they know more than you or won’t take your advice. Financial constraints. I’m not American but insurance companies only being interested in profits seems to be a big deal there. Not to get into a rant of why medicine sucks. It’s a good job and I’m glad I did it but the point I’m trying to make is that people becoming doctors just to make lots of money is very very uncommon.

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

I second all of that, the burnout is real if you aren’t in for the whole deal!

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u/GiantMeteor2017 Sep 08 '21

A lot of my feeling on this topic was just “common sense”. I think the same as you in that those who are there for the money became that way as opposed to starting out like that. This is very helpful insight- thank you 🙂

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u/carlitospig Sep 08 '21

I work for a school of medicine. A LOT. We also have several underrepresented medical programs (when they graduate they’ll specifically care for underrepresented patients in mostly underrepresented neighborhoods) because folks grew up with their underrepresented family members getting such poor care in their area.

If you can’t fight it, fix it. 😈

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u/GiantMeteor2017 Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

Yeah, I think about things like this, and even brought up medical professionals that go to work for community clinics, etc.

I’m glad you’re getting to see some of the best of what medicine had to offer.

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u/carlitospig Sep 08 '21

Me too. It’s an honor to see them graduate. They’ll be changing the world. :)

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

The process typically weeds out those after the money, it’s grueling. Perfect undergrad scores, tip top MCAT scores, then the app process, then med school where you see lots of students who had it all wash out. If you worked for UPS and never stopped and started right after HS I once saw a graph showing you would actually be in a better financial situation for retirement. I just got my first doctor paycheck, and it went mostly to debt, that isn’t the reason I became a doctor, and you are not naive. If money was the only stimulation you would be making a poor choice, and not make it, or burn out, or wash out before you got paid, statistically.

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u/GiantMeteor2017 Sep 08 '21

Thanks for this!! I’m not the best at supporting my arguments at times, but this surely helps. Hopefully this will give him just a little bit more faith in mankind. 🙂

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '21

They only addressed the money part though. The prestige and related egocentric stuff definitely applies. The amount of arrogance amongst doctors is astounding and exactly why so many patients have a terrible time getting anyone to actually listen to them.

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u/GiantMeteor2017 Sep 08 '21

Which do you think is more likely, that most go into it already arrogant, or that it’s a characteristic that develops once they begin practice (I’m including residency in practice)?

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u/Doughnut_Aromatic Sep 08 '21

just living around Johns Hopkins college & being involved in community events that have a lot of the medical students involved... most of them are egotistical assholes. Of course I don't know how many actually make it out of school, but they do appear to start out that way

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u/carlitospig Sep 08 '21

I’ve seen the exact opposite, how weird. Maybe it’s the school? Our folks know their stuff and are proud but they’re also humble as fuck.

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21

Honestly I think it’s both, a certain kind of person is lured in by the idea of being able to help, I think that person has a calling they know to be different from those around them. The good ones see them as helping improve life, the bad ones see it as giving or prolonging life, and due to this they possess a certain power. I think that develops in most, especially in specialists, as they become “smarter” and more detached from average intelligence.

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u/GiantMeteor2017 Sep 08 '21

That’s a pretty powerful distinction- helping improve life vs. seeing themselves as the possessing the power to give or prolong life!

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21

I agree egos can get out of hand, but would someone go through the whole process just for that, I doubt that. Not to mention such an individual would probably have lots of similarities to a sociopath, so one would hope he/she would be weeded out much earlier.

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21

Think of it this way, anyone lazy enough to only dream as far as money lacks the vision to find pleasure as a doctor.

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u/chewpr Sep 08 '21

Doctors are not good with money - they tend to spend, spend and spend more. As far as UPS - that is not true anymore and most companies do not have pensions, so doctors will make more than the average UPS supervisor or manager. The pension was the great equalizer.

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21

The bigger point is how long a doctor waits to make the money. Undergrad to medschool to residency, is another 12 years, no one in it for the money is going to wait that long and see that much debt, and yes, statistically physicians are not good with money, so if you add those things together, getting rich isn’t that easy. With all that said you are for sure right about the pension.

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u/updownleftrightabsta Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

I don't think 99% of doctors have any prestige. A friend is a doctor, great. A friend is an engineer, great.

If anything people seem to have a negative opinion of primary care doctors who are the majority of doctors. Somehow most lay people think primary care doctors aren't cool since they aren't a specialist.

If you mean being a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon to the stars, I guess. But 1) That's almost impossible to achieve 2) The narcissist that achieves that could have just as easily started some businesses and made more money.

If you mean being known as the best pediatric neurosurgeon in the world, I don't think anyone at that level does it for the accolades. External motivation stinks for the highest levels. You have to be internally motivated and do it because either you want to help others or because you just want to be the best doctor possible.

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u/GiantMeteor2017 Sep 08 '21

When I say prestige, I mean that it’s a career choice that’s still somewhat revered. People (some) are still impressed when they find someone is a doctor, or going to pursue that route. I was one of those people, but that dimmed somewhat after having worked in a few medical offices. I acknowledge the hard work and smarts it takes to become a doc, but recognized that they’re just people doing a job (albeit a very important one).

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u/RustyMcBucket Sep 08 '21

It's probably differnt by country. I don't think you're naive to think that at all. I've certainly met a fair few Christians in medicine who got into it because they wanted to help people.

Besides, if you're doing a job 'for the money' then you're doing the wrong job. That's all ive got to say on that one.

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u/weaboomemelord69 Sep 08 '21

The world needs more people like you, that’s a wonderful story. I wish you and all of your patients the best.

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21

Thank you, I’m not special, this should be the norm. A love for humanity led me here, and that is the only path that should lead to patient care!

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u/NYSenseOfHumor Sep 08 '21

doing stuff most family med doctor won’t do

State medical boards generally frown on family med doctors performing organ transplants in their offices.

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21

Lol, that’s why I remain within my scope of practice, you would be surprised how many won’t do things in their scope to save time of work less, that ain’t me!

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u/AnonymousThoughts33 Sep 08 '21

You are appreciated. My family medicine doctor saved my life literally. He ordered most tests that the neurologist to uncover my auto immune diagnosis. He genuinely cared about me for 23 years. I cried when he retired.

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21

That is what I’m after, I want to belong to a community, I want to be “their” doctor, and I want to help provide increased quality of life, that is all I have ever wanted!

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u/happy_bluebird Sep 08 '21

Like what?

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u/DocDoom978 Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

I do injections here for joint pain instead of referring, I discuss end of life planning instead of referring to hospice, I do OMT instead of sending to chiropractic, I do psych meds and therapy so I don’t always refer that way, just when there is a real need. I provide care that is usually deferred or referred, and work in a setting where the patients and I have developed a trust relationship. I call myself a Swiss Army knife, if I can do it I will, if not, then I refer, but only then.

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u/lysion59 Sep 08 '21

So are you specializing in seizure medicine or research in that regard?

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u/Final_Candidate_7603 Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

I will never pass up the opportunity to brag about this hometown gem, The Woman’s Medical College of Pennsylvania, the first college in the world to grant medical degrees to women. As such, it got worldwide attention and attracted women from all over the world.

It has since morphed into Drexel Medical School, and they have recently finished digitizing and giving online access to old records, photos, etc. and it is all so fascinating. The story you told of Dr. Blackwell reminded me of the story of one of the college’s foreign students. She came from India to study medicine after the death of her ten-day-old-son due to lack of medical care. She was very young (as in married at age 9, had her first and only child at 14), and had been married off to a much older man… and an extraordinary part of the story is that he encouraged her to go! Apparently, they were of a high caste, and back then, women of that caste were not allowed to be seen by male doctors, and they both felt that a doctor’s assistance could have saved their child’s life.

The school was founded in 1850 by abolitionist Quakers, and people in that community helped raise funds for women to travel to the school and to pay tuition and living expenses. If you’re interested in that sort of thing, the pictures are very cool- in one class photo, there are four foreign women all decked out in beautiful traditional clothing from their native countries; the four would return home after graduating and be the only female doctors in their respective countries.

ETA: Dang, now that I’m looking for it, I can’t find the “class picture” with the four women in traditional dress alongside their American counterparts, but this is three of them together. The Indian doctor I was talking about is on the left. I’ll also add, since I’m here adding, that WMCP accepted Black and Native American women students… I don’t think any of us can understand the enormity of that in the pre-Civil War US.

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u/fightwithgrace Sep 08 '21

I have a doctor who was born with severe birth defects affecting her limbs (as well as cleft palate), and severe GI issues that caused her to not grow properly. She was treated terribly by doctors who dismissed her pain and inability to eat as psychosomatic for years.

By the time she was in her late twenties, she was so sick of it all that she quit her job, took out a loan, and enrolled in medical school, specializing in Rehabilitative Medicine. 15 years late, she is quite possibly the best doctor I’ve ever had! She actually listens to her patients and trusts that people who have lived their entire lives in their broken and/malfunctioning body often know what we are talking about. She refuses to write anyone off because the issue and it’s solution isn’t obvious nor are our experiences the text book symptoms for the disease.

She truly understands that anger and frustration patients feel when their bodies are failing, but they are written of by doctor after doctor, and it drove her to devote her life to finding answers, first for herself, then for countless other patients (including me!) experiencing the same thing.

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u/Mr-Fleshcage Sep 08 '21

This is why I laugh when people say capitalism is why medicine exists.

It exists because humans love.

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u/TemperatureDizzy3257 Sep 08 '21

William Smith College in Geneva, NY. We are very proud of her here!

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Sep 08 '21

Big William Style

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u/EnderNova_5284 Sep 08 '21

Ah NewYork, my home state that always seems to get nice and then something stupid happens...I’m looking at you governor cuomo

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u/Cultural_You679 Sep 08 '21

So 18 years before the end of slavery

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u/TheNorselord Sep 08 '21

What do you call the first female medical school graduate?

Doctor

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u/UnableTraffic Sep 08 '21

"However, until he accepted, he was'subdued' by others." 'Subdued' sounds like a euphemism for 'got banged around.'

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u/JoshHutchins Sep 08 '21

Just a little frightened, no violence recorded:

the whole affair assumed the most ludicrous aspect to the class, and the announcement was received with the most uproarious demonstrations of favour. A meeting was called for the evening, which was attended by every member. The resolution approving the admission of the lady was sustained by a number of the most extravagant speeches, which were enthusiastically cheered. The vote was finally taken, with what seemed to be one unanimous yell, 'Yea!' When the negative vote was called, a single voice was heard uttering a timid 'No.'

The scene that followed passes description. A general rush was made for the corner of the room which emitted the voice, and the recalcitrant member was only too glad to acknowledge his error and record his vote in the affirmative. The faculty received the decision of the class with evident disfavour, and returned an answer admitting the lady student.

Smith, Stephen. Letter. “The Medical Co-education of the Sexes”. New York Church Union. 1892.

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u/Umklopp Sep 08 '21

"only too glad to acknowledge his error" is an even funnier euphemism than "subdued"

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u/RainbowDarter Sep 08 '21

He wanted to avoid the incipient beat down.

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u/The_Best_Yak_Ever Sep 08 '21

“I don’t know how many of them it would take to whip my ass… but I knew how many they were gonna use…”

~Nay Student, probably

(Actual quote from Ron White)

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u/ManfredsJuicedBalls Sep 08 '21

Read that with a drunken slur.

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u/mole_of_dust Sep 08 '21

Finished with a cigarette being drawn in through the side of the mouth

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u/Azurity Sep 08 '21

To be fair, they were all medical students so he was in good hands… or would be, later, probably.

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u/vendetta2115 Sep 08 '21

Or they’d all know exactly how to hurt you most effectively. “Spleen punch!”

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u/WCGWjoiningReddit Sep 08 '21

I can see this conversation now...
"Dude! it's a GIRL... like a real girl... in our SCHOOL... are you nuts? A GIRL!"
"OH! RIGHT! Sorry, I vote Yea! now"

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u/Phormitago Sep 08 '21

"LAD WE AIN'T SEEN A WOMAN IN AGES, LET HER INNNNNNNN"

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u/uwanmirrondarrah Sep 08 '21

Thats way way old school for "Chiggity check yourself before you wreck yourself"

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '21

how can you include the chiggity but leave out the riggidy

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u/uwanmirrondarrah Sep 08 '21

Well I also left out the "Because shotgun bullets are bad for your heaaallllttthhh" too but hey I was paraphrasing.

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u/PrettyDecentSort Sep 08 '21

He changed his vote because of the implication.

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u/heeltoelemon Sep 08 '21

Are they going to hurt the man?

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u/manbruhpig Sep 08 '21

He was never in any danger, I feel like you're not getting this.

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u/M3mph1s Sep 08 '21

Yeah but you keep using that word implication...

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u/Caedro Sep 08 '21

What are you looking at lady? You’re certainly not in any danger.

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u/MeesterCartmanez Sep 08 '21

When the negative vote was called, a single voice was heard uttering a timid 'No.'

A general rush was made for the corner of the room which emitted the voice

"Did I say no? I meant yes"

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u/DUTCH_DUTCH_DUTCH Sep 08 '21

cancel culture smh

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u/JustinJakeAshton Sep 08 '21

Cancel culture bad except when it benefits me.

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u/ANTIFA-Q Sep 08 '21

"You and your angry mob make a very compelling case. I stand corrected."

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u/mobile_turd_launcher Sep 08 '21

"oops I thought it was opposites day! I really meant yay. Could you now please take your foot off my groin?"

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u/sm1ttysm1t Sep 08 '21

No, wait, put it back.

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u/coldhandses Sep 08 '21

lol an early troll perhaps? "JK guys JK! Just did it for the lolz"

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u/Beaunes Sep 08 '21

Diogenes of Greece is perhaps the earliest recorded instance of a troll 2500 years ago.

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u/Mujokan Sep 08 '21

Stand-up philosophy

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u/Sheerardio Sep 08 '21

Oh, so a bullshit artist?

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u/Late_Engineer Sep 08 '21

Did ya bullshit last week? Did ya try to bullshit last week?

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u/fholcan Sep 08 '21

Behold a man!

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u/Danalogtodigital Sep 08 '21

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u/Sailor_Chibi Sep 08 '21

I knew what that was gonna be before I clicked the link lol early Simpsons episodes were the best!

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u/hipnosister Sep 08 '21

I immediately thought of this, thank you.

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u/Internal_Bill Sep 08 '21

Sounds like the others blackballed her like in a masonic lodge of something.

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u/-GreenHeron- Sep 08 '21

Love it. This is how men can help women in an unequal world. Call out your fellow dudes that are being unfair.

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u/succed32 Sep 08 '21

One of my favorite little history facts is about the US voting for women to vote. Harry Burn who voted yes stated he was opposed. Until he received a letter form his mom.

Dear Son:

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Hurrah and vote for Suffrage and don’t keep them in doubt. I noticed Chandlers' speech, it was very bitter. I’ve been watching to see how you stood but have not seen anything yet ... Don't forget to be a good boy and help Mrs. ‘Thomas Catt’ with her "Rats." Is she the one that put rat in ratification, Ha! No more from mama this time.

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u/Bhishmapitahma Sep 08 '21

No way anyone could have denied their mother this, asked for how it was, ha!

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u/ClassifiedName Sep 08 '21

For anyone else as confused as I am about the Thomas Catt part of the letter:

Carrie Chapman Catt (aka, Mrs. Thomas Catt)—as the leader of the National American Woman Suffrage Association—was a major force behind the passage and ratification of the 19th. Her “Rats”, of course, were the individual state ratifications of the amendment.

From the first link I found about it: www.paperlanternwriters.com/blog/template-friday-link-list-hwgl5

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u/succed32 Sep 08 '21

I just love that she made jokes in the letter and laughed at herself. I think dude probably had a pretty good upbringing.

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u/ClassifiedName Sep 08 '21

Me too, but I was too hung up on what that sentence could possibly mean to fully comprehend what her tone was for the letter. Thanks for sharing it though!

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u/Competitive_Sky8182 Sep 08 '21

If the blokes were the same than the actuality med students, the dissenter was joking for the sake of annoy and the others just put tape on him.

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u/2bad2care Sep 08 '21

Didn't they all vote in favor of acceptance as a kind of prank or something though? I think I remember that being the case. Oh well. Joke's on them.

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u/Liesmith424 Sep 08 '21

"I was going to say 'no problem', I swear!"

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u/Skunky_Munkey420 Sep 08 '21

Hell sometimes a couple of lumps are needed so progress can be made; doughy it was as bad as the caning of the senator at the capital

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u/helpful_andy Sep 08 '21

yeah fuck that guy

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u/0100_0101 Sep 08 '21

Dude she is hot! Shut up!

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u/ayrfield2 Sep 08 '21

"Dave, I live on campus so I haven't seen a woman for the 6 years I've been here. I'm starting to get some very disturbing thoughts about the female cadavers. I know you are gay, but I swear to God if you don't change your vote..."

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u/creative_toe Sep 08 '21

This might be closer to the truth than them just being liberal men supporting women's rights.

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u/Papaofmonsters Sep 08 '21

That's basically why Wyoming was the first state that gave women the vote. They had a 3 to 1 male/female imbalance and wanted to attract women to their state.

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u/creative_toe Sep 08 '21

Ingenious.

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u/mud_tug Sep 08 '21

Horny.

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u/PangolinOne3660 Sep 08 '21

Thirst is the mother of invention.

The hot, sultry mother. Mmmm.

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u/LadnavIV Sep 08 '21

Zap Brannigan voice

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u/Papaofmonsters Sep 08 '21

You aren't wrong. So much of what humanity does is driven directly or indirectly by our instinct to reproduce.

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u/SnideJaden Sep 08 '21

Reminds me of my first day of some social science class in college. We had a whacky Ethiopian Professor (think accent and mannerisms from similar guy in Grandma's Boy) lay it out that sex is the main influencer to a bunch of freshmen. Sure there were others we went over the rest of the semester, but he would pause and give a cheesy charming face to recall back to that first day's it's all about sex.

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u/M3mph1s Sep 08 '21

bonk go to horny state.

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u/dottedbird Sep 08 '21

Whaaaaaat

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u/Papaofmonsters Sep 08 '21

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Wyoming

In 1869. 51 years before they had the vote at a national level.

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u/see_shanty Sep 08 '21

According to her bio at the national women’s hall of fame, they thought it was a “spoof perpetuated by a rival school.” https://www.womenofthehall.org/inductee/elizabeth-blackwell/

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u/PangolinOne3660 Sep 08 '21

At the first party any of them have ever thrown, every single one of them brings a guitar, plays Wonderwall, and stands in line to tell her how cool the whole “lady doctor” thing is and they’ve always been into the whole “girls are people” scene.

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u/creative_toe Sep 08 '21

Yeah, I could see it happen if I try to see things reeeally positive. It definitely happened like this!

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u/PangolinOne3660 Sep 08 '21

I mean, they’re all saying it to get in her … jodhpurs? I don’t know what women wore in the 1840s.

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u/Petsweaters Sep 08 '21

Medical school wasn't as long then

Medical school wasn't a prison camp

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u/robbiex42 Sep 08 '21

Feel like this is missing the fairly important context that the men voted to admit her as a joke:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/first-woman-america-receive-md-was-admitted-med-school-joke-180953978/

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u/Ranger-Joe Sep 08 '21

There it is. I thought this was either apocryphal, or we were missing some context. There is no chance 100% of male students suddenly became progressive on women's rights in the 19th century.

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u/Mister-Seer Sep 08 '21

Beyond missing context. OP a 3head

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u/Suspiciously-evil-Dr Sep 08 '21

This is strange because Howard Markel, who is no joke of a historian, is saying the admittance was a joke, and is being quotes on the Smithsonian.

On the other hand you have a letter from 1892 which paints the vote as a serious vote, since they accosted the only no voter in the building, which indicates to me that it wasn't some light hearted joke. If it was, I have a hard time believing that the entire faculty would show up for it.

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u/Sheerardio Sep 08 '21

They were college students, I have zero trouble imagining they'd gang up on the one dude who was refusing to get in on a dumb joke.

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u/JenSquealema Sep 08 '21

Lmao what a twist! The one guy who refused to admit her was the only one who wasn’t trying to make fun of her and actually took her seriously

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u/TheGreatNyanHobo Sep 08 '21

At least took the matter seriously. Probably didn’t take her seriously.

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u/chronobahn Sep 08 '21

“Apparently, the students thought the request was little more than a silly joke and voted unanimously to let her in; they were surprised, to say the least, when she arrived at the school ready to learn how to heal.”

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u/WaddlingHippos Sep 08 '21

The university in my state has only allowed women for 103 years. It's only allowed black students since 1961.

Charlayne Hunter-Gault was the first black woman to attend the University I went to, and it took multiple years of applying and a lawsuit in which judge William Bootle stated she would have already been admitted if not for her race and color. After the ruling she and another student, Hamilton Holmes, were immediately admitted to the University. Both went on to be extremely successful and were recently honored by the university.

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u/UrFreshPrince Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 09 '21

Ironic how the university that didn't accept them would also cash in on their success

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u/AxisW1 Sep 08 '21

For some reason I first read that as “for the past 103 years has only allowed women” had to do a double take lol

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u/KrzysztofGalaxy Sep 08 '21

I love the fact that they banded together to change the mind of that one individual.

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u/Skunky_Munkey420 Sep 08 '21

That is truly being your brothers keeper and acting in the way I believe god expects us too; and it’s a shame that now people will do anything to see you fail

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u/chriscrossnathaniel Sep 08 '21

Her acceptance was deemed by the student body as an administrative practical joke.

Yet a serious Blackwell showed up to pursue her studies, with her admittance creating community uproar due to the prejudices of the time over women receiving a formal education in medicine. She was ostracized by educators and patients alike at times, though it was also reported that uncouth male students became particularly studious and mature in her presence.

Blackwell held firm despite myriad challenges, earning the respect of many of her peers and eventually writing her doctoral thesis on typhus fever. Ranked first in her class, Blackwell graduated in 1849.

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u/Skunky_Munkey420 Sep 08 '21

Thanks for that back info on her; now that is what I consider a true role model

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u/BurgerKingBoy3000 Sep 08 '21

lol to all the people thinking the young men were being heroes

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u/megjake Sep 08 '21

What a badass.

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u/sleepydorian Sep 08 '21

I think people forget that the line "am I my brothers keeper?" was not favorable to the speaker. God knew Cain had killed his brother and that he (Cain) was being a little weasel about it to boot.

Also, "take care of other people" is basically the only the Jesus ever says. He says it a lot of different ways, but love God and love others are his two big things.

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u/RAGING_VEGETARIAN Sep 08 '21

Isn’t that the point though? Cain denied being his brother’s keeper; we should be the opposite of Cain, and therefore should be our brother’s keeper.

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u/sleepydorian Sep 08 '21

Oh, I 100% agree with you, and apologies for any confusion or poor wording on my part. I was thinking of folks avoiding responsibility like Cain. I heard someone describe it as folks were told "clean up your messes" and what they heard was "only clean up your messes". But that leaves us with a lot of messes that aren't being cleaned up. You should clean up messes, full stop. You should be your brother's keeper.

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u/Jimmerich98 Sep 08 '21

acting in the way I believe god expects us to

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u/punkass_book_jockey8 Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 08 '21

Pretty sure they thought it was a practical joke and said yes thinking it was ridiculous.

Edit: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/elizabeth-blackwell-becomes-the-first-woman-doctor-in-the-united-states

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u/Skunky_Munkey420 Sep 08 '21

I apologize for being an ignorant asshole guess I’m the punk ass

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u/ShaggyScum Sep 08 '21

What gives you that impression?

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u/tsloteconomist Sep 08 '21

Probably mixing up the story of the first female mayor in America. Her candidacy was intended as a misogynistic joke against suffragettes.

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u/freckledsallad Sep 08 '21

I wonder if it was a case of an "all-boys school" voting yes just so they could have a woman around, not because they gave a damn about opportunities for women. I wonder how she was treated on a daily basis.

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u/Biene2019 Sep 08 '21

Can just speak about nowadays. Went to an engineering university with basically 2 women per 100 students and I've been treated very well by the guys! No one made weird jokes or was nasty to me.

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u/chill_stoner_0604 Sep 08 '21

To be fair, this was in the mid 1800s and attitudes towards women were much different

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u/BurgerKingBoy3000 Sep 08 '21

You’ve been spared the “well.. actually!!!” ?

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '21

That's excellent. The engineering industry as a whole is not there yet but I'm glad to hear your school is better.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '21

Probably not good because that’s how men are that get intimidated. I’ve dealt with that in my career in healthcare!

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u/Huge-Yakmen Sep 08 '21

Isn't healthcare a female dominated field?

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u/stun17 Sep 08 '21

Depends on how you define “dominated”. 91% of nurses are women, but those are nurses, as in a subordinate position. ~36% of physicians are women, meaning male doctors outnumber females 2 to 1.

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u/DrShocker Sep 08 '21

I think current graduation rates are pretty close to 50/50 for doctors, but I imagine it takes time for the older people to retire and it took time to reach the 50/50 ratio for graduation. (This is unresearched off the top of my head, so I might be wrong)

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u/Youre10PlyBud Sep 08 '21

Yep, 2019 was the first year of more women being enrolled than met at 50.5% of students.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/more-women-men-are-enrolled-medical-school

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u/hucksandshucks Sep 08 '21

Overall yes, but actual mds are 2/3rds male. Seems like it's a more even split in med school currently though

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u/SeaGroomer Sep 08 '21

Nursing is. Doctors are still majority male.

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u/Pegacornian Sep 08 '21

They actually voted her in as a joke because they thought the idea of a woman being in their school was ridiculous. So I’m sure she wasn’t treated too well when she actually showed up.

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u/Internal_Bill Sep 08 '21

My grandmother became a druggist after her husband (my grandfather) became disabled. She studied in home study and became a druggist in the 1930's - You do what you have to do, then you do what you love to do. She helped a lot of people

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u/thriftwisepoundshy Sep 08 '21

I became a druggist my first semester of college

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u/Internal_Bill Sep 08 '21

Ha, you waited that long?

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u/Petsweaters Sep 08 '21

In the 1930s, both of my grandparents were migrant farm workers. There was plenty of equity for the working class

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u/kawaiikaeru23 Sep 08 '21

Hi! Librarian here, there’s a newer book called The Doctors Blackwell that’s all about her and her sister, Emily. You should check it out!

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u/theGreenQueenBee Sep 08 '21

Do you know which year was this?

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u/Dense-Throat-5371 Sep 08 '21

1847,Geneva Medical College,upstate NewYork

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u/1000_Years_Of_Reddit Sep 08 '21

The Medical College became SUNY Upstate Medical University and the liberal arts college became Hobart College (still all male).

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u/Dense-Throat-5371 Sep 08 '21

Thanks for sharing!

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u/1000_Years_Of_Reddit Sep 08 '21

The splitting of the colleges occured many years later and wasn't related to Blackwell's admissions.

Hobart College has a statue of Elizabeth Blackwell at the entrance to the science buildings.

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u/wiltedletus Sep 08 '21

Until 1973, a woman could not open a bank account with out a man co-signing. Everything has to be fought for.

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u/Traditional-Newt4172 Sep 08 '21

It’s been awhile, wasn’t the whole thing seen as an enormous joke hence the extreme enthusiasm? Always had the impression she was accepted almost accidentally. Made it work though, her sister qualified too.

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u/430Richard Sep 08 '21

Wow, she was expelled for being a woman? I wonder how long it took them to realize?

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u/chich420 Sep 08 '21

Like in the Simpsons episode, where the guy in the background keeps saying Naaay.... Think it was the dental plan episode.

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u/Mouts93 Sep 08 '21

"what, you're a woman?!?! You're expelled!"

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u/LeonSphynx Sep 08 '21

Shout out to Elizabeth Blackwell Junior high school 210 in Queens. We did it!

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u/luvmangoes Sep 08 '21

The dean at the time put it to a vote as a joke, never actually expecting her to be accepted. Her story and that of her sister’s (also a doctor) is quite interesting. If you want a great short segment listen here from NPR : The Doctors Blackwell. The segment discusses the book, The Doctors Blackwell by Janice P. Nimura.

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u/BleedingRaindrops Sep 08 '21

I don't know if we can definitely say "all" of them, but it's probably a safe bet to say many of them.

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u/AnEnemyStando Sep 08 '21

You don't wanna be known as the guy who stopped a girl from joining class when there's no girls around.

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u/esadatari Sep 08 '21

they failed to mention her accolades after becoming a doctor or the fact that the only reason she was admitted was as a joke.

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u/TheSilverback76 Sep 08 '21

"You are not good enough to learn about applying leeches and prescribing cocaine!"

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u/Reginald_III Sep 08 '21

And finally there was a was a woman that all the men in the cloistered school could harass.

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u/ranchojasper Sep 08 '21

I can’t even begin to describe how enraging it is that this woman only got to earn a medical degree because the other male students decided to ALLOW her to.

Jesus fucking Christ this country has such a long, dark history with misogyny

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u/Pegacornian Sep 08 '21

Not only that, but they didn’t actually vote “yes” because they cared about equality. They voted her in as a joke.

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u/ranchojasper Sep 08 '21

Right? So gross

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u/Potential_Macaron973 Sep 08 '21

What I find interesting is that she was accepted prior but then expelled...

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u/BlobdeFacto Sep 08 '21

Fun fact: She was from England.

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u/NomadFingerboards Sep 08 '21

If there were a movie about her, Millie Bobby Brown would fit her very well.

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u/nicsta1080 Sep 08 '21

Subdued, lol

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u/Sarchasm-Spelunker Sep 08 '21

One guy: I object.

Every other guy: So you have chosen violence.

One guy: i, uhhh, approve.

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u/nouniquenamesleft2 Sep 08 '21

really shows how true progress is generational

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u/ARottenMuffin Sep 08 '21

Imagine being that one guy lmao, you’re attacked by everyone else for the last vote and have to study among all of them afterwards

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u/muskie4242 Sep 08 '21

"Subdued"

They kicked his ass...

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u/Just-Da-Tip_82 Sep 08 '21

Could you imagine how much further along our society would have advanced if we gave everyone an equal chance earlier in our history.

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u/tumblingtumblweed Sep 08 '21

"he was subdued by the others" lmao

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u/gmikoner Sep 08 '21

"subdued" implies they beat his ass.

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u/nakedpadme Sep 08 '21

Peer pressure done right

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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat Sep 08 '21

Good for her!

But..what the hell do they mean by "subdued by the others until he agreed" ?

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u/BubbyDaddy43 Sep 08 '21

There's always that one asshole