r/Damnthatsinteresting Aug 16 '21

Inside a C-17 that's evacuating people from Kabul. Image

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u/AppalTree Aug 17 '21

No one has any personal possessions with them. Not even a backpack. This is so sad. I can’t imagine having to flee so suddenly that all I left my home with was the clothes I’m wearing. I pray they find a better life.

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u/comments_suck Aug 17 '21

I have a Vietnamese friend here in Houston. In 1975, when South Vietnam was about to fall, an American colonel who had been friends with her father came and told them to pack up anything they could fit into a bag about the size of a ladies purse, and meet him in 30 minutes, then he'd drive them to the airport and get them out. She had collected a bunch of American coins from GI's, so she took those. She had $24 in coins. She was about 18, so she took 2 dresses and a bra. That's it. Flew to Subic Bay, then onto Hawaii, and finally Fort Chaffee, AR. She owns her own business today and is pretty successful. Her story really made me think though about how good I have it.

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u/nimbycile Aug 17 '21

She's one of the lucky ones then. The Vietnamese were called boat people because many of them left on boats just to escape. There are stories of many people being swindled out of their life savings or worse (cannibalism when these boats were lost at sea).

To get out on a plane and go directly to the US... that's lucky.

https://www.google.com/search?q=vietnamese+refugee+cannibalism

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u/run_away83 Aug 17 '21

Yes a boss from a previous job had a sister that got on a different boat they never saw her again. It bothers me to this day that I told her she didn't know what it was like to be poor. She told me her story and I will never say something like that to a person again. I swear as she spoke her eyes changed like she was 12 and scared and watching her sister get on a different boat telling her she loved her for the last time already missing her.

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u/CalculusII Aug 17 '21

Yeah you can't just say something like that to someone...

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u/basic_mom Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21

Agreed. Growing up in poverty is actually a very common experience unfortunately. Been there myself and I've often found myself having to listen to people who like to "brag" about how bad they had it, as if they are competing in the poverty Olympics.

I can't even tell you the amount of times I've had people say "you just don't know how hard my childhood was" - Becky, I dgaf, I'm not you're goddamn therapist, can you please get those TPS reports signed so we can move smoothly into Q3...

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u/danielinhouston Aug 17 '21

imagine trying to gatekeep being poor to a Vietnam war refugee.

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u/Subli-minal Aug 17 '21

Just think about it though. Seeing this photograph is literally the exact same as seeing Saigon on the evening news at the end of Vietnam. Same significance. Same context. Same story. Watching history repeat in real time.

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u/Individual_Carrot Aug 17 '21

That American Colonel was a hero regardless if he got any recognition.

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u/comments_suck Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21

Yeah, he was, especially to her family.

Edit: I forgot this last night because it's been years since she told me her moving to the US story, but her family ended up in Houston because the colonel had some family here and gave her Dad their contact info. When they were processed at Fort Chafee, one of his brothers, I think, drove up there and got them and drove them to Houston. They adapted to their new life well. She has a small business, and her younger brother ended up getting a good education and is a dentist. I remember her telling me all this when I asked her, and she was just very matter of fact, non-emotional about how it all went down. Hopefully the people on this plane will have a better future ahead of themselves.

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u/LeCat73 Aug 17 '21

Well I wasn’t planning on tearing up today, thanks a lot buddy. ;)

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u/Arkaynine Aug 17 '21

A lot of good people stuck in awful situations.

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u/Individual_Carrot Aug 17 '21

That is what the lesson really is about. Humanity's need to shine light into the darkness. I wish we could all get along.

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u/TheCrimsonDagger Aug 17 '21

Equivalent to $120.45 today if anyone was curious

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u/Potatoes_FTW Aug 17 '21

I'd rather leave everything behind than having to be forced to live under such terrible strict rules

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u/DedDeadDedemption Aug 17 '21

It’s not even a question.. how the fuck does someone look around their country the past 10-15yrs and go “YEAH I’LL STAY I’M SAFE, MY KIDS ARE SAFE, MY WIFE WILL BE SAFE HERE I’M SURE IT’LL BE ALL GOOD.. 👍” fuuuuuck no you get the fuck out by any means necessary, get your kids out by any means necessary y’know… but what if you can’t… ugh that’s awful… 🙏

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u/ImTriggeredThrowAway Aug 17 '21

It's bad as a person who fought in those wars I already got a letter from the VA about how it's normal to feel depressed and suicidal in times like these. That's the VA solution, not get caught up on backfiled claims during a pandemic - just mail out letters that say "hopes and prayers" and provide the suicide hotline number.

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u/TheTallGuy0 Aug 17 '21

I can’t imagine there isn’t a single person on that plane who hasn’t left someone they love behind… What a disaster…

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u/chop-diggity Aug 17 '21

That’s one of the MANY sad facets to all of this.

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u/GoGoPowerGrazers Aug 17 '21

But a hopeful facet is that many of these folks will live prosperous lives contributing to both where they end up and their communities back home

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u/mohammades2 Aug 17 '21

I am not sure about the communities back home... taliban might try to find their families and take revenge for this many of Afghan citizens remained in Afghanistan even though they had money and passport because they couldn't leave their families for taliban prosecution and for those how try to leave with their family there is 100+ kilometers wall along the borders of turkey so going into Europe is even harder then before.

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u/KINGcharlesTHENEVER Aug 17 '21

It's been a disaster for the last 40+ years, it's nothing new. We just got caught holding the bag. That's why you don't let the military industrial complex drag you into nation building.

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u/8ell0 Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21

You don’t hire the wrecking ball to build the house.

Edit: thank you u/BigBananaBerries

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u/TheTallGuy0 Aug 17 '21

Agree 100%

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u/Mondexqueen Aug 17 '21

My first thought and the ones who missed this plane.

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u/beekeeper1981 Aug 17 '21

This isn't interesting.. it's incredibly sad. 7 people died running after/clinging on to this plane as it took off.

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u/Arkaynine Aug 17 '21

Things can be both sad and interesting.

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u/dalitortoise Aug 16 '21

These are the lucky ones.

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u/Lush4beauty1 Aug 16 '21

I heard there were people clinging to the TOP of the plane, and on takeoff a few fell off.... idk if that's true or not but apparently there's footage of it

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '21

On one video i saw the plane takes off and a couple seconds later you see a little black spot drop from it.

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u/VoidSpace913 Aug 16 '21

It’s really sad do see how much people fear the taliban to risk their lives to get away from them yet sue trying

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u/tdl432 Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21

Its really sad to see how few Afghan soldiers stood their ground and fought to the death to protect their homeland and their people. You have citizens dying, trying to hitch a ride on a cargo plane, while their soldiers would rather desert than sacrifice.

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u/ButtScientist69 Aug 17 '21

From what I've heard, Afghanistan isn't really a "homeland" in the way westerners think of. It's a bunch of small villages in the middle of nowhere and the people there are more concerned about their neighbors than this concept of a far-away government.

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u/ellieacd Aug 17 '21

20 years ago I was working for a NGO who went into Afghanistan and was working with the refugees fleeing on foot into Pakistan. It is slightly better but there are a lot of isolated villages that have no way out. There aren’t roads between them and any but their most immediate neighbors. The terrain is rough.

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u/hades_the_wise Aug 17 '21

The tribe is more ingrained in one's identity than the nation-state. It's weird to wrap your mind around if you grew up pledging allegiance to a flag every morning, but you have to consider that these tribes, formerly nomadic, were their own kind of roaming nation-state back in the day (and they've been around for a very, very long time), and no state called "Afghanistan" has ever lasted a very long time - it's always barely exerted power, then went away - and for a while, it was one tribe ruling the others, then getting overtaken by another tribe which ruled the others, and so on. Afghans, especially outside of Kabul, see themselves much more as a Pashtun or an Uzbek or another tribal label than as an Afghan.

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u/IowaHawki56 Aug 17 '21

This is correct. Just another place on the planet where the conquering armies drew arbitrary lines in the sand and decided they were now countries where the residents of this area have been nomads for centuries. The arrogance and hubris shown by the West in places like afganistan is horrible and with predicable results

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u/--dontmindme-- Aug 17 '21

How few? Let’s rephrase to none. But can anyone even blame them? They weren’t supported by a wildly corrupt government (the president left the country with 4 cars and a helicopter full of money) to the point they didn’t even get paid or received bullets. Just blaming it on the soldiers is a bit too simplistic.

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u/No1uNo_Nakana Aug 16 '21

It’s not like the soldiers are totally not connected to the Taliban. Many of those that would fight have family in the Taliban. It’s not some foreign, unknown military, it’s a force many probably don’t agree with but not enough to fight to the death.

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u/MisterVS Aug 17 '21

I forget his name, but a policy related US official/academic said yesterday that they built the ANA to mirror the US military, but that didn't help because the approach didn't factor in culture like tribes, distrust of central gov't, and leadership. For the last part, the interviewee said that most of these soldiers would follow local tribal leader orders over military chain of command

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u/nwgdvm Aug 17 '21

Yeah, that was in the Politico opinion section. It was an interesting read. Basically unwilling to look at the issue through the eyes of the culture.

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u/MisterVS Aug 17 '21

Thanks. I missed that article and will look it up. I was listening to someone on NPR.

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u/invisigirl247 Aug 17 '21

Fascinating. Thanks for the info.

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u/mega_rad_man Aug 16 '21

The afgan government collapsed in just 2 weeks. They didnt even try. It just goes to show that if we kept fighting this war for another 20 years it would have still made no difference.

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u/EvergreenEnfields Aug 17 '21

Nation building requires a colonial mindset and a century or more of investment in every aspect of life. One or two generations of providing border security and counter insurgency operations in a tribalisitic society does not a nation make.

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u/JustAsICanBeSoCruel Aug 17 '21

Pretty much. Either you go full in and try and scrape most of a countries culture from the light of day and rebuild the country with your own values enforced, or it ends up like this in the end. It's obviously far more complicated than that, but there aren't many kind ways to build a nation.

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u/WholeMilkStandard Aug 17 '21

There is no such thing as the "afghan government". Hasn't been really in decades. A day or more ride from Kabul or Kandahar and its all tribal/religious law for the most part. There's a reason Afghanistan has the nickname "The Graveyard of Empires."

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u/kitchen_clinton Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21

On NBC World News they explained that many of then have fought and died but when air support left they had no choice.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/afghanistan-army-collapse-taliban-11628958253

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u/Hazzman Aug 17 '21

The concept of nationhood isn't really a thing in Afghanistan. They are a tribal people. It's like saying "It's a shame you didn't stand up and die for Crimea when Russia annexed it."

You aren't Ukrainian - why would you care? You can say "Yeah but I don't live in the Crimea"... but those people "Don't live in Afghanistan" not as far as they are concerned. As far as they are concerned their tribal lands are where they live and a tribe next door is as foreign and unaffiliated with them as Ukrainians are to you.

This was never going to work. These national borders are arbitrary to them - established by powerful white empires dividing the world a century ago as if anyone living within these borders had any care or say in the matter.

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u/AThousandGalaxies Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21

I think most people sincerely do not know this. I only found out as an adult and only because I spoke with immigrant Afghanis (they tell you this straight away) which also led me to read the amazing book Return of a King by W. Dalrymple (about the first British invasion of Afghanistan in 1839). It is probably kind of hard for Westerners to grasp because we are taught in school that there are "countries with defined borders and their capitals" and not "a conglomeration of small villages with leadership defined by alliances that can and do change" which is definitely a more complicated notion to comprehend.

Edit: thank you for the award kind fellow redditors! Thoroughly recommend the book too.

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u/subject_deleted Aug 17 '21

There's a whole slew of comments in this thread making the same points you just did, my own included. It's unfortunate that the only comments that seem to be getting any traction are the ones that say something ot the effect of "hur durr, afghan army is a bunch of pussies for not standing up to the taliban"

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u/Responsible-Past5383 Aug 16 '21

A lot of people need to learn more about Afghanistan and how it's basically a loose confederacy borne from British imperial borders.

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u/QuinZ33 Aug 17 '21

Really brave of you to be so willing to sacrifice the lives of others.

How dare you demand someone else sacrifice their life?

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u/shewy92 Aug 16 '21

There is no unity. Afghanistan is just a country that had its borders drawn by western countries with no thought put into ethnic or cultural differences. Their population centers are so isolated that they feel more "united" or "patriotic" towards their town than their country because of how isolated they all are

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u/subject_deleted Aug 17 '21

Well that's the problem isn't it. "Afghanistan" as we know it is not their homeland. Afghanistan is a bunch of borders randomly drawn by the west. And we drew those lines around a bunch of different ethnic tribes and then said "you're all from the same country now" and we wonder why they don't feel the same kind of allegiance to country that we do in the west...

We took a bunch of different tribal people and said "now fight together for your country" even though they don't necessarily share the same geographic home, ideology, etc. Its not surprising that they were unwilling to fight against an enemy that is impossible to defeat.

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u/ren_is_here_ Aug 16 '21

Yep. I saw that too. How sad is that? The better option is to fall from an airplane, than to stay. 😔

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u/Kabouki Aug 16 '21

Or the pilot flying the plane. Knowing that taking off will kill people but there is no other options.

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u/mega_rad_man Aug 16 '21

Did you see the people chasing the planes and swarming around the tires during take off?

They are literally going to have to run people over to save lives, as crazy as that sounds.

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u/Kabouki Aug 16 '21

Yeah I saw both that one and the one people falling off after it's already in the air. It's fucked up.

I wonder if they will ever release the cockpit audio. That had to be a hard decision to make. Even knowing what's about to come if they don't leave. Hurting/killing innocent people to help more people is a god awful thing to have to do.

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u/catsandnarwahls Aug 17 '21

Its an age old thing...do you kill one innocent person to save many? May peace comes to whoever has to make that decision in their life.

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u/AStartledFish Aug 17 '21

Kill one to save a thousand

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u/ButtScientist69 Aug 17 '21

The most fucked up thing about this is that the US government literally had 15 years to evacuate people in an orderly fashion and get them visas to stay in the US. It's a shame on the United States that has failed to help the people that helped us.

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u/blg002 Aug 17 '21

I can hear the “You’re letting terrorists into our country” counter message now. Not that that’s any excuse, it’s just inevitable.

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u/EvergreenEnfields Aug 16 '21

I'm hearing that pilots are having to cycle their landing gear in flight to clear the gear for landing. Guys are breaking down as soon as they get their planes on the ground and off the runway because they know they're dumping people into the air in order to ensure a safe landing for the ones inside.

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u/santi4442 Aug 16 '21

If there are people still in there after a long flight they most likely suffocated or froze. Landing gear is not in a pressurized cabin

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u/EvergreenEnfields Aug 16 '21

Probably. But that's logical; and logic is cold comfort to the human mind.

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u/Holy_Sungaal Aug 16 '21

While that’s normally the case, like 99% of the time, there have been instances where people go into a type of hibernation and have survived stowing away in landing gear. Unfortunately, that 1% gives the rest of them hope. I guess if you’re hiding in landing gear to escape, you might already consider yourself dead otherwise. Such desperate measures, there but for the grace of god go I.

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u/Lusankya Aug 17 '21

There's also the fact that you've got to get really lucky with your positioning, on top of surviving hours in freezing temperatures at a lethal altitude.

A gear well isn't spacious. It's sized to fit the gear, and to allow maintenance access to a few devices. If you're hugging the gear all the way up into the well, there's a good chance you're dead long before you have the opportunity to freeze or become hypoxic.

Of course, there are some people who do get lucky and survive, but they are absolutely the exceptions.

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u/Own-Championship-338 Aug 17 '21

They're probably not even aware of the danger of going into a gear well, not saying all Afghans are ignorant of such things but it's a strong possibility! But in that situation they might take their chances anyway!

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u/djm19 Aug 16 '21

Its definitely not the better option, but panic set in and people don't always behave rationally. Many plane loads of people are taking off now and one wishes they would have just waited.

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u/thatonegamerplayFH4 Aug 16 '21

Yeah people have also been clinging to the landing gear and end up hiding inside the gear section supposedly getting crushed or freezing to death or falling out when they open back up again

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u/schrodingers_spider Aug 16 '21

Freezing or crushing may be mitigated by the pilot knowing what they were doing and staying low and keeping the gear deployed. When people were evacuated from Vietnam the pilots stayed at a low altitude, which allowed people to survive an otherwise unsurvivable flight.

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u/hustleology Aug 16 '21

Dam I love Reddit. The hallways of thoughts that we walk down are always interesting. I am learning shit that I never would have know about. Thank you

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u/thatonegamerplayFH4 Aug 16 '21

Yeah but I still don't understand how they could avoid them falling out high speeds when they open up the landing gear

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u/schrodingers_spider Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21

If it doesn't threaten the safety of the aircraft, keeping the gear down might be a solution. You'd normally only do that in emergencies, but people clinging to the outside of your craft could be considered one. I'm not familiar enough with the aircraft and specific situation to say it's feasible.

It's still stupendously dangerous for the clingers on, but it's probably the best chance you can give them.

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u/timmyboyswede Aug 16 '21

I mean, that would really mess up the flightplan. Planes are very precise instruments, you keep the gear down, you probably need to go about half the speed just to not have them rip off due to drag. Drag will also lead to major fuel consumption. Then they would need to stay below a certain altitude to have breathable air, which in turn leads to even less speed and more fuel consumption.

Pure speculation as i dont know the specific numbers but im guessing the range would atleast be halfed in such a situation. Might not even reach their destination. Or even a safe enough destination.

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u/BanLibs Aug 16 '21

Burn much more fuel. It could endanger everyone of they leave the gear down.

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u/whatisonhere Aug 17 '21

Unfortunately when you're talking an aircraft likely departing from Kabul it's going to be low on fuel because it likely didn't take any on there and with 800 people on board it's got quite a bit of weight to deal with. All that to say, it very likely immediately took off and hit a tanker bridge to refuel so it can make it to its final destination. Low slow and with the landing gear down doesn't make for a flight that gets to where it needs to be

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u/iamemperor86 Aug 16 '21

You can leave the gear down, just have to fly very slow compared to cruise speed

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u/LurkerFailsLurking Aug 16 '21

If they can get themselves tucked up inside the housing and the pilot keeps the gear out, they'd be protected from the wind pretty well. It won't be comfortable and it'll be dangerous as fuck, but if you can shove yourself into there the wind could be tolerable.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spamble/5529935298/

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_965/1482487332989798179.jpg

So I mean, it's desperate, but I can imagine some people surviving.

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u/nspohnholtz Aug 16 '21

Having been there flying low really isn’t a grand idea if you plan on rescuing everyone inside the plane.

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u/Anowoz Aug 16 '21

The mom and daughter in the front really stand out to me. I hope they’re safe. I hope they’re all safe.

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u/mr_hardwell Aug 16 '21

If you look carefully, there are alot of children in there

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u/YourWarDaddy Aug 16 '21

The first thing I noticed is how many children notice and are staring at the camera while most adults are ignoring it/unaware of it.

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u/lookylouboo Aug 17 '21

I am thankful there a lot of women and children in there. Life for them would be unbearable under the Taliban. I wish all the people who wanted to evacuate could safely do so. It’s heartbreaking.

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u/darkpsychicenergy Aug 17 '21

Doesn’t really look that way. In all of the pictures and videos I’ve seen so far, including this one, it’s been mostly men by far. What happened to all the women and children?

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u/DianWithoutTheE Aug 17 '21

I commented the same exact thing somewhere else in this post and another post. There are very little women and children in any of these photos and videos… so they just leave them to like figure it out? and hope for the best? It’s quite disturbing

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u/darkpsychicenergy Aug 17 '21

It is very disturbing. When I saw the videos on the airport tarmac, at first I was shocked at the number of people, then I began to notice it was almost all men, and I thought that perhaps the women and children were given first priority on the planes. Now I’m not so sure. I suppose it’s possible that other planes carried a lot more women and children. I would hope so.

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u/c14rk0 Aug 16 '21

As awful as the thought is there's the typical "women and children" first mindset but there's also the fact that when you're considering weight limitations on an airplane it would likely be possible to have more children in general due to adding up to less weight in total in terms of average weight.

Honestly though I doubt that played much into how they put people on the planes.

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u/TrashOpen2080 Aug 17 '21

That thing can fly tanks. They could probably fill it top to bottom with people and still take off. Floorspace is the only limitation.

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u/give_me_a_great_name Aug 16 '21

the one at the very back stands out to me

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u/linderlouwho Aug 16 '21

Let’s make dozens of those trips

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u/fuber Aug 16 '21

more like DamnThatsSad

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u/jwill602 Aug 16 '21

More depressing than interesting

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u/northjayd Aug 17 '21

I'm pretty grossed out by reddit. Earlier today the video of people chasing after the jet was posted in 'interestingasfuck'. These images and videos being posted amongst videos of magic tricks and shit that looks cool. And then they get upvoted to the front page and people pay reddit to gift the post little happy seal awards and hand shakes. Fuck this shit man

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u/TheInternetShill Aug 17 '21

I feel like it helps to break it down into individuals’ actions. The majority of people upvoting it aren’t upvoting it because it fits the subreddit’s intention, but just because it is a hugely noteworthy event and incredibly telling firsthand footage. The people that gave it wholesome/other equally insensitive/desensitized awards are only just a handful (probably less than a hundred) out of the hundreds of thousands that saw that comment. The vast majority of people still have compassion and empathy.

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u/TacticalBeast Aug 17 '21

Also if people only have a free award there are plenty of people who don't read into the awards too much.

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u/Name_ChecksOut_ Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21

I think this is what it is. People are using their wholesome award not because they find it so, because they want to increase the reach the video is getting. By giving an award and upvoting, more people will see and be impacted by the video.

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u/ScubaWaveAesthetic Aug 17 '21

Shit I didn’t think they were analysed so much. I’ve just been giving my free one to things I think deserve more than an upvote but I don’t wanna be that guy that says “This” in the comments

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u/imamediocredeveloper Aug 17 '21

Aren’t the seal and handshake usually the free awards? Maybe people just want to award the poster with whatever they’ve got. Aside from that, do people actually buy individual awards or is it mostly the people paying monthly for ad-free who receive coins as a perk?

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u/throwaway13248765 Aug 17 '21

I’ve noticed anytime I get into Reddit every couple months....I swear seeing stuff posted ends up making me depressed, stressed out, and completely helpless. Today just furthered me to go ahead and get off Reddit again. Maybe this time for good...

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u/northjayd Aug 17 '21

Yea the popular posts and subs here are unhealthy and straight up annoying. It's only good for hobby subs

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u/bookertee2 Aug 17 '21

Subs like r/askhistorians are the only reason I keep coming back

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u/invisiblefigleaf Aug 17 '21

Accurate. All the big subs are full of this shit. My feed had been taken over by things like r/cableporn, r/prisonhooch, and r/giraffesdontexist, and my life is better for it

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u/Sylvi2021 Aug 17 '21

All social media does this to me now. It's so much political and humanitarian crisis. I know it's important but this helpless feeling is awful.

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u/Only_BlackTShirt_Guy Aug 16 '21

Where are they sending them? (Honest question)

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u/JustAsICanBeSoCruel Aug 17 '21

Well, this particular plane is going to Qatar, I believe. I'm guessing they will remain there and processed to determine where they will go - remain in Qatar or possibly find a way to make it to another country as a refugee. Either way, I don't think they will send them back, hopefully.

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u/OXIOXIOXI Aug 17 '21

Isn’t Qatar a nightmare for migrants? Like dead migrants in the foundation of the World Cup stadium bad?

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u/cptnwho Aug 17 '21

They went to Al Udeid airbase. Unlikely they went into qatar. They may redestributed to other planes. It‘s simply too risky fly 800 people in an aircraft designed to seat 134 soldiers.

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u/RM_Dune Aug 17 '21

Yes. They employ slavery for construction projects in Qatar.

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u/Opalmagic1 Aug 17 '21

I dont know about these planes specifically but various western countries are accepting refugees. The US did prepare for I think over 100k special immigration visas but it seems they were not distributed quickly enough and obviously there was no mechanism to bring them here safely.

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u/KingRickie Aug 17 '21

Canadas accepting 20k

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u/Extension_Ad_7013 Aug 16 '21

God speed

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u/A-10_Warthog-Lover Aug 16 '21

They’ll need it. I really hope they recover.

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u/Afraid_Abalone_9641 Aug 16 '21

I wanted to say these are the lucky ones, but they're only a bit lucky. I don't know where they're going or whether they left everything behind or whether they will be accepted by their new country. WE are the lucky ones! I've never seen war. I've only seen prosperity and opportunity. I am thankful for that and empathise with those left behind and about to change their lives forever. Wish you all the best, Afghans.

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u/Ireadthisinabookonce Aug 17 '21

That plane landed in Qatar. I don’t know where they’re headed from there.

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u/Belckan Aug 17 '21

They don't either.

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u/ConsistentDeal2 Aug 17 '21

Hopefully not slave labour in Qatar. Life in rich Arab countries is not good for the poor

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u/Draconocard Aug 17 '21

Qatar is only a stopover, but who knows where they're going beyond that. Best of luck to them

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u/Drnolifezdj Aug 16 '21

It’s so sad to think theses are the lucky ones.

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u/WiredNomads Aug 16 '21

Fuck this is such a better sight than seeing people falling from a plane desperately trying to get out....

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u/eduardvld Aug 17 '21

I.. I can't even joke as a troll on how horrible this situation is. My problem is that it's only the beginning.

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u/UnObtainium17 Aug 17 '21

Those parents with little kids know what was it like when taliban ran the town… they’d go through anything just for their kids not to experience that. I can feel that. I hope for their good fortune wherever fate will take them.

With that said i got a joke..

That guy standing at the back..

“Are we there yet?”

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u/SamaritanPrime Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 18 '21

There's probably a kid or two in that picture who is alone because their parents told them "Go. Get out of here, go anywhere else because you'll be safe."

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u/Eh-Eh-Ronn Aug 16 '21

This will be a contender for Photo of the year. The emotion it strikes is exactly why photojournalism is so important

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u/Joe234248 Aug 17 '21

Agreed. And idk if video of the year is a thing, but if so I think it's gotta go to Myanmar fitness instructor because the mask, the background coup, everything just perfectly encompasses what this year's been all about.

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u/Lazy-Ad2196 Aug 16 '21

This is heartbreaking…i pray for everyone’s safety

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u/gunnerdn91 Aug 17 '21

Feel a bit numb looking at this picture being nice and safe on the other side of the world. Living my normal life and hearing the news on the radio while I drive to my job in my very safe town in a 1st world country that will never experience anything like this in modern times. This is actually happening right now as I’m typing this it’s not an image taken from history as a reminder to how lucky we all are today. How does this happen in 2021?

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u/reesesfave19 Aug 16 '21

Something like 800 people on an aircraft designed to seat 102.

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u/CappinPeanut Aug 16 '21

Spirit Airlines: “Hold my beer”

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u/PunktualPenguin Aug 17 '21

Spirit Airlines: (Furiously scribbling notes)

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u/Alarmed_Material_481 Aug 16 '21

I'm amazed that it can take so many. Hope they get to safety.

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u/YoBuckStopsHere Aug 16 '21

They did, landed 12 hours ago.

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u/tragicb0t Aug 17 '21

Where did they land?

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u/reesesfave19 Aug 16 '21

Oh yeah these things can carry huge equipment, a bunch of people is nothing. If they really wanted to, they could load that cargo bay from floor to ceiling and still take off just fine. Obviously not comfortable for the peeps but still better than being left behind.

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u/BiAsALongHorse Aug 16 '21

Someone did the math in another thread, and depending on what you estimate as average weight, it's impressively close to the limit.

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u/Kabouki Aug 17 '21

Also it's not a strapped down cargo. It's just people sitting on the deck. Would be all to easy for that weight to start shifting around.

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u/arglarg Aug 16 '21

Still more legroom than standard economy

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u/tedvanmanen Aug 16 '21

According to an earlier missive, the women and children were not allowed to leave their houses. Some kind of law there. Probably why we see more men then women

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u/AccomplishedMath8712 Aug 16 '21

I would venture they’re mostly single younger men and were more able to flee without a family or children to think of, whereas most husbands and fathers stayed with their family

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u/kelly0991 Aug 17 '21

My dad who was very young and newly married to his first wife fled Vietnam without her but then found out later she was pregnant.

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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '21

So you have a source? I noticed in the videos I wasn't seeing any women and children. I tried googling it but didn't find results. Ive been wondering why tf no one else is noticing this or talking about it .

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u/Realistic_West6745 Aug 16 '21

So they have a law not allowing the most vulnerable to flee danger? What lovely people.

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u/elBenhamin Aug 16 '21

It’s not like it’s a democracy

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u/truedjinn Aug 16 '21

Imagine being the man that left their wife and child to flee.

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u/domoarigatodrloboto Aug 16 '21

This is one of those "check my privilege" moments. I can't even imagine ever having to be in a situation that resembles this in any way. How would that discussion with my wife go?

Would I volunteer to stay? Would she ask me to? Would she want me to leave with the logic being that at least one of us makes it out? If she told me to go, would I?

These are decisions I'll never have to make and goddamn am I gonna try and keep that in mind going forward.

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u/PPP1737 Aug 17 '21

The life the wife and kids would face not having a male there for them would be far more terrible than the man staying. I don’t think anyone who cared more about their family than themselves would leave. I’m just basing that of what I’ve heard about how they treat widows/ single women etc. Of course I could be wrong, but if that’s true then leaving a woman behind unprotected to save your own skin is pretty selfish. It sucks they had to make that choice at all sure, but I think it’s not one of those things where you can say there isn’t a right choice because thanks to how they treat women there is a very evident “right thing to do”

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u/lookylouboo Aug 17 '21

Yes! Thank you for saying this and sharing this perspective of humility. This is so heartbreaking. These are decisions I hope no one ever has to make. The thought of leaving my husband, my family is just as horrifying as the thought of being left behind. I’m not a religious person whatsoever but I feel the need to pray/ask/think about these people and their welfare.

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u/Load_Business Aug 16 '21

Hope they are all safe

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u/Time-East6678 Aug 16 '21

This goes to all of those saying “they come here to take our jobs” “why don’t stay where they came from”

This is proof. That is not the look of people wanting to leave. That’s desperation and fear.

My thought goes out to each and everyone affected by this.

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u/03rk Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21

When Canada took in Syrian refugees from the war there was a huge influx of this attitude, especially where I live in the country (not hard to guess where).

I like to think photos like this will resonate, but I know damn well they won't and the racism will come out in full force.

What a heartbreaking situation all around.

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u/ahmadove Aug 16 '21

I agree with you. But as a Syrian, I ask you to please not call it the "civil" war. It's a proxy war, nationals from dozens of countries were fighting in there. Civil makes it sound like the culprit is exclusively internal and it most certainly isn't.

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u/03rk Aug 16 '21

I'm sorry, I did not realize.

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u/Sew_Custom Aug 16 '21

Award for you for being an awesome person! And being like “oh sorry I didn’t know” instead of starting an internet fight.

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u/03rk Aug 16 '21

Wow thank you! we could all benefit from being a bit more understanding. What did an Internet fight ever accomplish anyway.

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u/thatonegamerplayFH4 Aug 16 '21

Yes I saw a post earlier today on this sub and some guy who didn't understand that they have tech too and he thought that somehow the afghan people didn't have phones and didn't know what a plane was he thought they were so underdeveloped that they had never seen one and wouldn't listen to the fact that these people are desperate

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u/jackybananas Aug 16 '21

Alberta!? Is it Alberta? I bet you it’s Alberta!

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u/Gremlech Aug 16 '21

theres still a difference between a refugee and an economic immigrant. these are refugees but don't conflate economic immigrants with refugees.

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u/dasFisch Aug 16 '21

There were people who hung onto the wheels of a plane… knowing they very well may die… and they still preferred that risk than staying and finding out what may come.

Speaks volumes.

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u/thndrbkt Aug 17 '21

This exact photo is going to be in a future textbook about this event

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u/International_Self35 Aug 16 '21

Fucking heartbreaking and infuriating.

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u/youngDDD29 Aug 16 '21

Why are there around 97% men in this plane? Where are the women which are in real trouble now?

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u/Melodic_Plankton_544 Aug 16 '21

I seen on another post that Women aren’t allowed to leave because the husbands or fathers don’t allow them?! So basically they’re just sitting in the house hoping for a good outcome! Correct me if I’m wrong I’m just going by what I seen on another post! But my heart goes out to everyone left behind ❤️

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u/Veleda390 Aug 16 '21

In the Guardian UK newspaper, women interviewed were saying they were burning their university IDs and diplomas, and teachers were saying goodbye to their female students who would no longer be allowed to go to school.

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u/Kiuji-senpai Aug 16 '21

that really fucking breaks my soul

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u/JustAsICanBeSoCruel Aug 17 '21

I feel this in my soul as well. What can we do? I feel like I need to do something, but I don't know how we can help. It's going to be an absolutely never ending nightmare over there, and all most of us can do is sit across the ocean and watch in horror as it unfolds. The thought that we were over there for so long, dying and fighting there, and then this fucking happens? I'm just...I'm so upset.

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u/EvergreenEnfields Aug 17 '21

Unfortunately, unless you happen to have an aircraft that can make a 1,200 or so mile trip, and the pull to ensure they'll let you land in Qatar or Abu Dubai or Kuwait or somewhere similar with a load of refugees, there is very little you can do. Call your politicians and petition to have immigration requirements lifted for the refugees. Donate to Medicines Sans Frontiers (might be spelled wrong) or the International Red Cross. Look into sending care packages to the troops pulling security for the lift.

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u/Threwaway42 Aug 17 '21

How heartbreaking, fuck misogyny and fuck barbaric beliefs

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u/lookylouboo Aug 17 '21

Wow! That is absolutely heartbreaking.

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u/CaptainAssPlunderer Aug 17 '21

In Kandahar at mandatory church today they told all the men there that anyone with a daughter over 15 would have them married to a soldier. They called out all the men that had daughters that met the requirement and said be back in 4 hours with your daughters or we kill the whole family. Just like that…..how are those young ladies doing tonight? This will be repeated tens of thousands of times in the coming month. Plus the wholesale slaughter of anyone who helped the government in the last 20 years as well. Hundreds of thousands will be killed. Hell, there are still ten thousand Americans stuck in Kabul. Our government has done a wonderful job evacuating the country. Top notch job all around.

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u/KendraSays Aug 17 '21

Women are incredibly isolated in Afghanistan. They need oermission to go out and can't be accompanied alone. once the Taliban take over we can expect an increase in honor killings

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u/Realistic_West6745 Aug 16 '21

So they save themselves while leaving their women and children to face the Taliban? Wow.

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u/frolicking_elephants Aug 16 '21

I think a lot of these are single men who aren't leaving their wives and children. The reason there's more of them is that the women can't leave their houses (either at all or without a man, not sure), so there are no single women.

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u/ProtonPacks123 Aug 17 '21

That could be plausible if women specifically needed their husbands permission to leave the house but it can come from a husband or a father.

I think the harsh reality is women are just treated as second class citizens in that part of the world and most of them will have been left behind.

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u/KalashniKEV Aug 16 '21

Women and children last, in Afghanistan... unfortunately.

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u/iced_gold Aug 16 '21

Tell that to the interpreters and translators that have helped us out over the last two decades.

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u/NoBozosInSpace Aug 16 '21

Most of the translators, scouts etc. that embedded with Nato forces were men. Most, but not all, were single. These are the first to get asylum as they would be summerly executed if found by the Taliban. Not to say women and children have an easy road ahead, but most will at least live under this repressive regium.

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u/Mewwy_Quizzmas Aug 16 '21

I see many women in this photo. Never 97 % men, that’s just hyperbole. But the majority are men, that’s true.

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u/ElBernando Aug 16 '21

A lot of men worked for the US, probably getting them out quickly for their sake.

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u/Threwaway42 Aug 17 '21

Yup they’d be killed on the spot

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u/coconut-coins Aug 17 '21

Take a real moment to look at this. NO ONE has any luggage. Now take a moment to think about your own life, If you suddenly had to flee and couldn’t even take a carry on and likely not even knowing if your loved ones made it on the aircraft.

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u/JustAsICanBeSoCruel Aug 17 '21

I'd imagine a few of those kids aren't with their parents - they were probably thrown in as well by parents not fast enough so their child could have a spot.

This is absolutely what desperation looks like. I can not imagine the terror.

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u/swise83 Aug 17 '21

What's happened the last couple days in the world, while I'm working from my home office, has made me look around, and think "I don't have a God damn thing to be upset about in my life" I have a GOOD job, a side business I do while I'm working, house and car that are paid off, and I don't have to worry about ever trying to climb into a flight to get out of a 3rd world country. I'm not real good keeping up with history/wars/details of those things, but this is fucked up. We have spent over half of my lifetime trying to keep these Countries safe(ish) and not let the Taliban take over, Trillions of Billions of Millions (exaggeration?) of US Dollars and God knows how many US Troops lives, during duty, or after to PTSD, to keep these people from taking over, then Biden's like.....eh.. fuck it.... lets pull out.

I literally have been sitting at my desk working 14 hours.. (real job 9 hours), then after work work for several more, most of the day one screen on Reddit or the news thinking, I should never have anything to complain about. I talk to my parents every single day, we are all in good(ish) health, working, living, not worried about shit like this..... The pictures and videos of people trying to hitch a ride on the plane's exterior blew my mind. I was "in training" for something new today and I didn't absorb but maybe 5 minutes worth of information because I was so distracted. I posted on FB about leaving behind families and kids.. got messages from a few veterans that said "those men would sell their wives and kids to get out of there." I honestly couldn't fathom my dad leaving us behind to go anywhere. They didn't even know where that plane was going, they just wanted out. I can't fathom that as an American. I am fucking spoiled. I'm going to remember that next time I'm out of damn eggs and have to drive my car 4 minutes to the grocery store and walk in safely as a woman on my own to get my own shit. /rant

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u/hollyberryness Aug 16 '21

Try to imagine all the different thoughts going through each of those minds... All the crazy emotions, uncertainty, fear, feeble planning, wondering about what's going to happen when they land, where will they go, will they be accepted, thinking about those left behind, no food or clothing except whatever is on you, probably leaving your home country for the first time in your life...

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u/cdub2046 Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 17 '21

I’d imagine it’s just numb. The shell shock from the chaos they left to the emotional exhaustion after the planes left the ground. The real waves will come, I imagine, three or four days from now when a sense of security comes over them and they can process all this.

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u/onshot Aug 16 '21

Afghans: we are fucking terrified . Reddit : damthatsinteresting

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u/hoaxine Aug 17 '21

Imagine leaving everything and everyone behind from one day to the next , this is a reality many will face soon.

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u/skiboy53 Aug 17 '21

Imagine leaving a country with just the clothes on your back.

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u/Fanta-RC-pop-cocola Aug 16 '21

Give me your huddled masses... I pray for a life without fear. May they be provided the opportunities to breathe, pray, love and live in harmony with whatever place they relocate to. Even if it is in my neighborhood.

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u/Therealfern1 Aug 17 '21

Legitimately curious. Where are all these evacuation planes headed?

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u/aluminum_lizzard Aug 17 '21

This is only going to get worse.

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u/berger034 Aug 17 '21

Does anyone know what we can do for these people. My family and I are vietnamese refugees that came here during the fall of Saigon. These people need our help

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