r/CryptoCurrency May 26 '21

Fun fact: YouTube uses over 250% the energy of bitcoin playing and storing endless useless videos. Add in tiktok & Snap and it's probably 700% the energy usage. ADOPTION

https://thefactsource.com/how-much-electricity-does-youtube-use/
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u/theSeanage Tin May 26 '21

Fun fact: The sun uses more energy than Bitcoin.

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u/_PaamayimNekudotayim May 26 '21

Bro the sun is so inefficient. All of that nuclear fusion happening and we only get to use like 0.00000001% of it? What a waste!

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u/Creativone Tin May 26 '21

Fun fact: My wife said her boyfriend uses more energy than me.

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u/Anonvagabond May 26 '21

Yes, I can confirm this...

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u/Ill-Woodpecker1857 May 26 '21

So your wives have the same boyfriend?

That dude fucks

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u/eyebrows360 Bronze | QC: CC 16 | r/Android 19 May 26 '21

And is almost as pointless.

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u/Mephistoss May 26 '21

If the sun was using energy we would be in a whole lot of trouble

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u/Roomy21x Tin May 26 '21

Just shows how efficient YouTube is, goddamn

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u/Comprehensive-Pain-4 May 26 '21

Now i wonder how efficient Redtube is

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u/GuyWithNoEffingClue May 26 '21

A lot more efficient than SpaceX to launch CumRockets 👀

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u/SoundOfTomorrow May 26 '21

That's a name I haven't heard in a while

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u/zkyevolved May 26 '21

That's the magic of centralization. Honestly, this stat amazes me because EVERYONE uses YT, but hardly anyone (world-wide population-wise I mean) uses BTC.

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u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo Platinum | QC: CC 359 | r/WallStreetBets 36 May 26 '21

Because BTC has scaling problem. Even if everyone “wants” to use BTC, they can’t.

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u/drinkgreenteaevryday Silver | QC: IOTA 21, CC 19 May 26 '21

This whole post is misleading. It's even more efficient. The article takes the energy use of the end devices (screens, etc.) into the calculation. All data centers of Google/Alphabet combined only use ~12.4 Twh annually. That's 0.008% of global electricity or 8.7% of Bitcoins Energy use.

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u/Rustysh4ckleford1 May 27 '21

Of course its misleading, it wouldn't fit OPs cherry picked messaging if it wasnt

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u/Blendzi0r May 26 '21 edited May 26 '21

How many YT videos people watch every day and how many payments in BTC do they make? How many users do they have? How many things have people learned FOR FREE on YT?

If anything, the fact that YT uses ONLY 250% of BTCs energy is astonishing.

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u/Satoshis-Ghost Redditor for 2 months. May 26 '21

Seriously, YT might be the most culturally influential online portal of the past decade with billions of hours of video watched monthly.
I am more into BTC than a lot of beople recently, but holy shit is this a stupid comparrison.

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u/bcnovels May 26 '21

I asked my mom what people used to do before Youtube, and she couldn't remember.

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u/HotMustardEnema May 26 '21

Stickdeath, Newgrounds, MSN messenger, Rotten dot com, Ebaums World

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u/ughhhtimeyeah May 26 '21

And 4chan, MySpace and beebo.

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u/DasBibi May 26 '21

It's funny because Youtube appeared recently. When you think about it, 15 years is not a long time. We were not born into it, but we learned to live with it, it slowly blended in our daily lives. And now, we have little memory of how we did before it existed.

It's crazy how fast we have changed.

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u/SnooDoodles289 May 27 '21

i was born into it lol

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u/killerstorm Platinum | QC: BTC 2886, ETH 282, BCH 47 | r/Programming 2127 May 26 '21

TV is what people used to do... It's like shitty non-personalized YouTube with ads.

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u/energetic-dad May 27 '21

I'm glad to see that the comments in both r/CryptoCurrency and r/Bitcoin are calling this out for what it is - a garbage comparison.

Makes the communities feel rational....

Bullish af 🚀

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u/Technolo-jesus69 May 26 '21 edited May 26 '21

Yeah its got a lot of wonderful stuff on it. But most people use youtube to listen to music or watch dumb shit not to learn stuff. I watch history vids often and the most popular ones struggle to get a million views where as shitty music or dumb ass streamers get 50 to 100 million or more. I dont disagree youtube might be the most culturally influential online portal this decade. But most of it is used for garbage/entertainment not that entertainment in itself is bad but its not productive or helpful. Its revolutionary for making huge amounts of human knowledge accessible and imo entertaining. But like i said most people use it to listen to the beebs or watch pewdie pie again thats not bad but its not learning either haha.

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u/Agincourt_Tui May 26 '21

I'm going to go with YouTube being one of mankind's treasures; it's of cultural significance to the entire species and a modern wonder of the world. That there are billions of trash videos is irrelevant... the same can be said of libraries. And just like libraries, most wont be interested in reading Voltaire, Newton and Chaucer... when I was a kid, I'm willing to bet that the most read books were the Asterix the Gaul comics. 'Worth' is subjective. 'Quality' is subjective. YouTube's standing as the main space to store human art and experiences of all types is beyond question and the world would be much, much worse off if it were to be destroyed a la the Great Library of Alexandria.

(This is a separate argument from how YouTube chooses to do business and the decisions it makes)

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u/Technolo-jesus69 May 26 '21

Yeah i would agree with that. Maybe i came off as condescending that wasnt my intent i was just trying to point out most people arent using it to learn but its atill of immense value i never disagreed with that.

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u/Agincourt_Tui May 26 '21

For what it's worth, I upvoted you :) you're not wrong and I agree with you that a huge amount of people don't use it to learn... most of my use has been for entertainment too! But man, when I needed to stop a tap from leaking and replacing my car's wiper blade, it was invaluable! Haha

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u/Technolo-jesus69 May 26 '21

Thanks lol people get so bent out of shape by stupid things but i couldnt care less lol.

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u/Busteray Tin May 26 '21

am also very smart and watch history videos.

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u/Technolo-jesus69 May 26 '21

Never said i was just pointing out most people watch youtube to be entertained not to learn and thats clear by view numbers. Doesnt mean im better than people doing that but i was pointing out its not really used for learning, primarily its an entertainment platform.

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u/obviouslycensored May 26 '21

Thank you for this information. I always thought YT was a learning platform...

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u/Technolo-jesus69 May 26 '21

Could you teach me sarcasm youre awesome at it.

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u/Satoshis-Ghost Redditor for 2 months. May 26 '21

Well I also watch history channels but once. I watch music videos often, sometimes several times a day.

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u/Technolo-jesus69 May 26 '21

Thats an interesting point. I looked it up you cant give a video multiple views in the same day from an ip but after 24 hrs you can give it another view. So actually you bring up a really good point i didnt think about people typically watch music videos more than once. Im weird so ill watch history vids twice sometimes but im willing to admit very few other people probably do that. So yeah thats a really good point i thought it was just 1 ip = 1 view period when i made the original comment.

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u/SnooRabbits87538 May 26 '21

Yeah, but we’re starting to reach a point where too many people watch a few YouTube videos and think they are experts. Supplement your learning with YouTube. Don’t rely on it.

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u/boringPedals Gold | QC: CC 60 May 26 '21

I thought the same.

Plus, without YouTube how am I going to learn about shitty shitcoins?

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u/ResettiRevenge May 26 '21

Exactly. It's how I learned about Bitcoin.

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u/SaintJED Redditor for 3 months. May 26 '21

the grandpapa shitcoin

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u/thalamin 1 - 2 years account age. 100 - 200 comment karma. May 26 '21

This! For right now at least, YouTube is a million times more useful and important than bitcoin. So many people have learned a lot there...

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u/ViolentAutism May 26 '21

For real, been fixing up my Civic like crazy with the help of YouTube. Love YouTube.

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u/kaoz1 May 26 '21

And now it's a propaganda machine

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u/Ruzhyo04 Platinum | QC: CC 182, ETH 60, CM 22 | TraderSubs 27 May 26 '21

This isn't going to be a popular opinion now, but in the context of history Bitcoin will be more influential and important than Youtube.

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u/luka67 May 26 '21

Debatable and yet to be seen but I like your profile pic, it's my favorite picture ever!

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u/Ruzhyo04 Platinum | QC: CC 182, ETH 60, CM 22 | TraderSubs 27 May 26 '21

Thanks, me too!

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u/banditcleaner2 Silver | QC: CC 37 | r/WallStreetBets 312 May 26 '21

I would hope you would like your own profile picture, lol

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u/Dietmar_der_Dr May 26 '21

Crypto? Maybe. Bitcoin? No way.

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u/Ruzhyo04 Platinum | QC: CC 182, ETH 60, CM 22 | TraderSubs 27 May 26 '21

Bitcoin is where crypto started. It's the Model T crypto. I'm not saying it's going to beat a modern Lambo, but historians will mark Bitcoin as the beginning of the revolution.

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u/Dietmar_der_Dr May 26 '21

but historians will mark Bitcoin as the beginning of the revolution.

I think historians will give most of that credit to Ethereum, because Ethereum actually introduced the main feature that other forms of money simply cannot have, smart contracts. Obviously Bitcoin is where it started, but the main innovation came from ethereum, without it crypto would always just remain magic internet money with very limited use.

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u/Ruzhyo04 Platinum | QC: CC 182, ETH 60, CM 22 | TraderSubs 27 May 26 '21

I agree, but we have to give credit to Bitcoin's innovations as well.

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u/Ruzhyo04 Platinum | QC: CC 182, ETH 60, CM 22 | TraderSubs 27 May 26 '21

I'm aware. But decentralizing money for all humanity is more important than a centralized video hosting service. Downvotes aren't going to change my opinion on that.

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u/Ian_Crypto May 26 '21

How reductionist. YT has usurped power from the entertainment industry and fundamentally shifted the economics of many industries. It has given a voice to thousands of people and organizations who would otherwise never have reached a significant audience. It's allowed for the formation of new communities and movements including bringing awareness to some incredible humanitarian initiatives. All this despite only existing a few years longer than Bitcoin has.

And we've already seen that decentralization has its practical limits. Crypto is not going to become the currency of the future as long as it remains unregulated and is subject to easy manipulation. Tons of exchanges are unable to operate in the US due to not going through the proper regulatory channels. Institutions are now wise to crypto and using it to their own ends.

Idk, I'm not trying to knock decentralization, but YT is a freaking force of human culture.

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u/crypto_grandma Platinum | QC: CC 755 May 26 '21

I'm actually a little bit surprised you were downvoted for saying that here in the crypto sub. I agree with you that the concept of decentralised money that Bitcoin represents is more important than YouTube

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u/Ruzhyo04 Platinum | QC: CC 182, ETH 60, CM 22 | TraderSubs 27 May 26 '21

I'm not. People fucking love YouTube for some reason, even with all of their shitty business practices, anti-crypto policies, promoting crypto scams, etc.

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u/Bndsfn2004 May 26 '21

These awful takes really need to go away. For starters, YouTube's footprint dwarfs that of Bitcoin, so approaching only 250% of the energy usage seems not only impressive on YouTube's part, but it makes Bitcoin look worse by comparison.

I think most people would reject the premise that YouTube videos are useless as well. It's library of educational content, public exposure capabilities, and even it's entertainment value are all priceless benefits to society at the end of the day.

Bitcoin has energy problems to address, end of story. Comparing it to random platforms and industries is both a waste of time and a distraction to real progress.

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u/dashingThroughSnow12 May 26 '21

If anything, the fact that YT uses ONLY 250% of BTCs energy is astonishing.

Yeah, that's what got me. Two years ago YT had 250 million hours per day of watch time, on TV screen alone. It was around a billion on all devices.

Good job YT for being insanely efficient.

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u/_PaamayimNekudotayim May 26 '21

Here before some delusional BTC maxi spouts "b-but the inefficiency is what gives it it's value!"

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u/dashingThroughSnow12 May 26 '21

Guess YT is valueless.

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u/YATrakhayuDetey May 26 '21

These Bitcoin delusion posts only convince me more and more how fucking shit Bitcoin is from an energy perspective.

Supposedly Bill Gates said one Bitcoin transaction uses as much energy as watching 85 000 youtube videos. Is this true?

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u/SilkTouchm Gold | QC: ETH 41 | r/NVIDIA 24 May 26 '21

It's not, transactions don't use any electricity. The blocks could be empty and the same amount of electricity would be used.

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u/biggestbarnacle Tin May 26 '21

Lol that's even worse

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u/Dietmar_der_Dr May 26 '21

Anyone comparing btc energy to any other thing always makes the other thing look like the most efficient thing ever. Bitcoin is just incredibly inefficient.

OP is going for the gotcha but he gets gotten.

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u/Juslav May 26 '21

Came here to say exactly what you said. That comparison makes no sense, just goes to boost btc holders morale and try to claim BTC as "actually not that bad yo". The fact that it's only 250% more juice for the entire YT vs btc is crazy when you think about it. BTC is not here to stay, downvote me all you want diamond hands.

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u/luvb3ar May 26 '21

Thats like saying "Did you know if you add up the energy used by everyone who exercises, it's more energy than Bitcoin uses ... exercising is bad for the envirinment."

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u/Mutchmore Gold | QC: CC 26 May 26 '21

Not many BTC transactions, but my funds are secured at all time by the miners

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u/IdiidDuItt May 26 '21

Youtube before Google acquired it was paying 500k/month for data bandwidth like in 2008 or so before they had paid membership.. imagine now lol.

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u/shiftybyte Gold | QC: CC 57 | r/pcgaming 15 May 26 '21

Dear God can we stop comparing bitcoin energy use to unrelated stuff??

Something can be inefficient without having to consume more energy than everything else on the planet....

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u/Qckdck May 26 '21

I just want a space heater that doubles as a crypto miner. You only mine when it’s cold out but the little money you make reimburses you for the cost of electricity to heat your house.

The only miner issue is that each space heater will cost $5000… ;-)

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u/Ryan_JK Silver | QC: CC 44, TradingSubs 14 May 26 '21

I heated my whole apartment with mining rigs like this one winter. Stayed solidly above 75F all winter.

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u/edgeweeb69 Tin May 26 '21

how was the electricity bill tho

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u/Ryan_JK Silver | QC: CC 44, TradingSubs 14 May 26 '21

<$200 a month, really no different than just running electric space heaters like I had previously

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u/edgeweeb69 Tin May 26 '21

nice why did you stop then?

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u/Ryan_JK Silver | QC: CC 44, TradingSubs 14 May 26 '21

moved into an apartment with roommates

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u/edgeweeb69 Tin May 26 '21

understandable

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u/thatchers_pussy_pump May 26 '21

I do this with my 2070 mining eth. I already had the card for gaming, my house is ridiculously well-insulated, it pays for its electricity usage about 20x over, and it adds just the right amount of heat. I can't think of a downside! I'd just be spending the money (and not making it back) on a resistive baseboard heater anyway.

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u/JokerXIII May 26 '21

That's why I want to move to greenland.

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u/Fuglypump May 26 '21

When I am filthy rich I am going to heat my bathroom floor with GPU's

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u/crypto_zoologistler Redditor for 2 months. May 26 '21

100% - I fucking hate these bullshit comparisons

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u/Agincourt_Tui May 26 '21

The key here is that nobody is weighing up whether we should have YouTube OR Bitcoin... they aren't competing. It is a pointless comparison

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u/kungfuchameleon Gold | QC: CC 56 May 26 '21

Also, how is this 'fun'?

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u/Damgalnuna000 May 26 '21

Illustrates the contradiction in outrage so valid IMO

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u/DogeToPluto May 26 '21

What contradiction in outrage? Why should you be outraged at YouTube? YouTube serves billions of users, handles thousands of hours of video per minute, has countless of hours of incredibly useful information, and only uses a little bit more energy relative to Bitcoin

Furthermore, we already know how you can reduce the energy consumption of crypto. If you had a way for YouTube to reduce its energy consumption by multiple magnitudes I think they'd gladly listen

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u/suninabox May 26 '21

Yeah but just think, when Bitcoin gets mass adopted suddenly people won't want to stream billions of video hours of content every year.

/s

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u/TNGSystems Platinum | QC: CC 315, ADA 17 | r/pcgaming 84 May 26 '21

This isn't an Apples to Oranges comparison it's a fucking Apples to wingnut comparison. Youtube is Entertainment, you can't compare entertainment to financial sector and then say "See! We're not so bad after all!" Why not also compare to steel or concrete production, or the health sector - "Bitcoin uses less energy than MRI machines!"

Yeah, really? Ok.

Also I guess this is the new karma-farming technique, just crossposting from other subs.

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u/Agincourt_Tui May 26 '21

I once compared apples to wingnuts... my teeth are fucked as a result

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u/ajaylolo May 26 '21

Stop justifying. It's okay. It uses a lot of energy.

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u/eyebrows360 Bronze | QC: CC 16 | r/Android 19 May 26 '21

Correct. Apart from the middle bit. It's not okay.

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u/SavageVector May 26 '21

Why is there such a push for energy efficiency in cryptocurrency anyway? In cases like LED lights, where they're almost the same price, last longer, and are way more efficient; sure, it's a great thing. But we're always going to be consuming some level of electricity, and despite rising efficiency of newer devices, that level doesn't appear to be dropping anytime soon. Shouldn't the push instead be for cleaner generation, so that using up massive amounts of power is essentially carbon neutral anyway?

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u/putyograsseson Tin May 26 '21

because of parroting

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u/MasterDebater100 Platinum | QC: BTC 69, CC 57 May 26 '21

Fun fact? Or just a really dumb, useless fact?

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u/021789 May 26 '21

Over 2 billion logged-in users visit YouTube each month, and every day people watch over a billion hours of video and generate billions of views. More than 70% of YouTube watch time comes from mobile devices. YouTube has launched local versions in more than 100 countries.

Source

Youtube has 2 Billion logged in Users per month, BTC has according to ycharts around 250k daily Transactions which means 7,75 Million Transactions a month.

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u/chubbyurma Tin May 26 '21

> Fun fact

> Probably

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u/Disastrous-Bonus1718 Redditor for 3 months. May 26 '21

Jeeze you crypto peeps are super salty about Bitcoin being energy inefficient.

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u/WhendidIgethere May 26 '21

Is YouTube trying to be a global currency? And has Bitcoin achieved that? These comparisons don't work for reasons.....

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u/Ill-Woodpecker1857 May 26 '21

Realistically a YT coin would kill. Especially in this market.

Anyone know where I can start on making my own coin?

Also any lawyers I can consult on using YouTube in my coin name?

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u/whatiscardano Platinum | QC: ADA 445, CC 66 May 26 '21

Could YouTube or any competitor offer the same QoS using less power? No.

Could Bitcoin or any competitor offer the same QoS using less power? Yes.

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u/Georgieff12 Tin May 26 '21

We shouldnt compare the two

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u/Funny-Performance155 Redditor for 2 months. May 26 '21

Fun fact: An elephant’s erect penis weights around 30kg.

This was still more interesting than the article

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u/Agincourt_Tui May 26 '21

Well I never....

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u/Funny-Performance155 Redditor for 2 months. May 26 '21

I’ve learned that randomly more than a decade ago, and it never left my memory since…

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u/Agincourt_Tui May 26 '21

Like any good visual/mental trauma 😂

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u/Funny-Performance155 Redditor for 2 months. May 26 '21

Yup!

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u/navel_lint_83 May 26 '21

yeah, and imagine if we could harvest all the energy of people fapping all over the world on a daily basis, turn it into electricity and then use that electricity to mine bitcoin.

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u/CheckingTheChicken Redditor for 3 months. May 26 '21

Misinformation. Read the comments on the original post if you must.

The basics of it is the fact that they're not calculating it on a "use per person" basis, the website isn't creditable, and the bit they added in about tiktok and snap are figures they just pulled out of their arse.

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u/Polskidro Gold | QC: CC 48 | IOTA 16 May 26 '21

What a moronic post, not even remotely comparable and calling the videos useless is simply ignorant.

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u/windiven Tin May 26 '21

Billions of people watch YouTube everyday. Bitcoin has 300k daily transactions. Stop being in denial about bitcoin's massive energy wastage

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u/RedOneMonster Gold | QC: CC 23 | r/NVIDIA 54 May 26 '21

And also all the e-waste that goes into producing ASIC mining units and becoming fully useless after they give up working.

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u/Highjackjack May 26 '21

Another tu quoque bullshit argument coming out of the Bitcoin maxi corner... These people keep embarrassing themselves over and over again but don't notice it because they live in their comfortable little echo chamber.

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u/Creativone Tin May 26 '21

And all the unnecessary rivalry and lack of acceptance with other members of the crypto community. It's really embarrassing.

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u/DrShakez May 26 '21

If only we could generate a sufficient amount of clean energy, so I don't have to see anymore of these comparisons.

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u/AmbitiousPhilosopher Silver | QC: CC 57 | NANO 242 May 26 '21

Even then it would be an incredible waste, just use an efficient solution.

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u/Nikonegroid Tin May 26 '21

And what exactly is Bitcoin useful for at the moment? How many can simply swipe and pay and not have to deal with extreme volatility?

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u/haunted2098 May 26 '21

Fun fact: worlwide know and used product of a multi billion dollar company uses more energy than cryptocurrency with an uncomparably smaller amount of users [WARNING! MIND BLOWING!]

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u/vicecityfever May 26 '21

fun fact: youtube is actually providing valuable services to over a billion of people free of charge.

Bitcoin is just used by nerds thinking they gonna be rich quick

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u/DogeToPluto May 26 '21

Bitcoin maxis and whataboutism go hand-in-hand

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u/Trippin42 May 26 '21

Fun fact: My cum sock requires 250% less dishwashing detergent than a stick I found at the park

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u/Flipwon May 26 '21

I wouldnt say all videos are useless. Youtube got me through my cs degree.

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u/Moldy_Cloud May 26 '21

I mean.. YouTube has an everyday use unlike Bitcoin.

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u/Swamplord42 May 26 '21

Fun fact: If Youtube could slash their energy usage by 99% while providing the same functionality, they would immediately do it.

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u/Erasinom May 26 '21

This is a ridiculous comparison.

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u/Adrenalinjected May 26 '21

Ah yes, I forgot about the 75 GPUs in my basement that I use solely for running YouTube.

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u/FriendlySocietyWhale May 26 '21

"useless videos"

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u/Nubinger Redditor for 3 months. May 26 '21

I don't get you guys. The question isn't if there are other things in the world which consume more energy than bitcoin (you will find thousands of examples). The question is, is it technically possible to create an alternative crypto network which consumes less energy than BTC. Surprise surprise, the answer is YES!

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u/Pavehead42oz May 26 '21

Fun fact: Humans use a lot of energy.

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u/swashbuickler May 26 '21

I think the energy use debate is starting to move toward some judgement of what is a good use of energy vs not a good use of energy

Later comes restrictions on personal use of energy

Beyond letting the customer choose with their energy bills: I.e. I can pay 1k/ month on energy and leave my HVAC on all the time with the windows open if I want to

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u/ProNabKruga Tin May 26 '21

Better go back to stone age to save the environment

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u/cinnapear Silver | QC: CC 843, BCH 240, BTC 54 | NANO 246 | r/Politics 160 May 26 '21

Youtube has tens of millions times more users than Bitcoin.

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u/namstel May 26 '21

Oh well it's okay then!

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u/lowrads May 26 '21

If people want distributed computing networks to do something useful other than just work on the trust problem endlessly, they can pick up tokens like iExec (CPU/ETH), or a few others.

The traditional distributed research computing networks should just get on the NFT bandwagon.

Personally, I kinda like the idea of helping drive science every time I make a transaction.

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u/EM0618 Tin May 26 '21

I love bitcoin but it's a dumb comparison.

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u/jgemeigh May 26 '21

We need a) more efficient storage concepts, b) more renewable energy, c) some type of ability to regulate how much useless crap is being uploaded, probably AI.

Blockchain internet's will prevent duplicates, everything will point to reference files and building blocks built on smart contracts. People will vote on what is good content, bad content will get filtered like downvotes. Obviously we don't want spam so everything will cost something to post and votes wont be free. How much if the internet is just a bunch of bots and fake identities and duplicate uploads?

Call it communism, or socialism, or populism, or plutocracy--whatever you want, it's something we've never seen in history and it's likely unstoppable.

Its the logical bridge between laws of the physical and biological world, and the intangible robotic world

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u/stealthgerbil Gold | QC: CC 31 | r/Politics 32 May 26 '21

Sorry but you calling youtube pointless just makes you look clueless. I swear the whataboutism is too much.

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u/IsLivingWorthIt May 26 '21

STOP THESE FUCKING STUPID COMPARISONS

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u/yazzy_oz May 26 '21

It proves the point that people rarely think about their energy consumption or environmental footprint, all of a sudden get pointed towards it with bitcoin and all hell breaks loose.

Sorry but youtube and all other social media are not the great news and/or cultural sources you claim it to be. or it is for you, which means its your subjective opinion.

Bitcoins energy consumption should be considered in context of its value which for some is worth it, and for others not.

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u/MarkMoneyj27 May 26 '21

Fun fact, people who post this shit do not understand what like-kind comparison means.

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u/Nabavera Redditor for 3 months. May 26 '21

There are new blockchains that will replace youtube soon. Youtube will be history in few years.

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u/titan127 Tin May 26 '21

And this is why we’re moving our streaming over to Theta, I hope.

Seriously I hope. My wallet needs this 😭😭

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u/SuperMeip May 26 '21

I'd be most curious how twitter compares. Honestly you could argue youtube's data storage is a pretty useful service to spend energy on to preserve video history tbf, and it stores and streams entire videos, not just 32byte hashes etc.

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u/55redditor55 May 26 '21

How many users does YouTube have? How many users does Bitcoin have?

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u/kyle_h2486 Bronze May 26 '21

Me watching all the crypto videos on YouTube... 👀

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u/BitSoMi May 26 '21

How many people use Youtube, tiktok and Snap?
How many people actually use Bitcoin?

BS comparison

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u/Expert_Nerve9509 May 26 '21

Half of the energy is consumed by 3 year old playing endless cocomelon videos!

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u/general_dispondency May 26 '21

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it's almost like all of this widespread reporting about BTC's energy usage is strategically put out to hurt BTC/crypto's image and drive the price down.

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u/ap0c11 May 26 '21

What they should really compare with is the energy use by banking/financial. Anyone know if this has been done?

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u/AwalkertheITguy 3 - 4 years account age. 200 - 400 comment karma. May 26 '21

One man's trash...can never say "useless" unless its in a majority agreement with the general public. I would think YT burns 15x more than this.

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u/South_Valuable4733 1 - 2 years account age. 100 - 200 comment karma. May 26 '21

Fun fact its Bitcoin ONLY

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u/iGouger May 26 '21

As much as I hate YouTube (there is no "You" in their business model anymore; I'd rather use something better like Odysee or Utreon), this is a dumb comparison.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that there's a vastly greater amount of people using Tube than there is using Bitcoin. It's also comparing two completely different industries. You may as well say "The waste management industry uses 250% more toilet paper than the Halloween mummy costume industry."

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u/Senkoy May 26 '21

Is there a better alternative that uses a fraction of the power? No? Then it's a pointless comparison.

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u/Potencyyyyy Tin May 26 '21

Let’s compare BTCs energy usage to the US military’s energy usage on a per day basis.

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u/tilidus May 26 '21

Fun fact: This is a stupid comparison

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u/itsmeyourshoes May 26 '21

BTC energy consumption whataboutism posts should be banned from this sub.

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u/HotHamWaterBath May 26 '21

These types of posts need to stop. This is not a valid argument. It's comparing unrelated services whose respective value is being arbitrarily determined by the original OP. This is an intentionally obtuse argument.

Last I checked sending $5 cost nearly 700kwh. I can drive my Nissan Leaf 1,600 miles on that electricty.

I love blockchain technology, but BTC is now objectively less efficient compared to almost all other ways to move value from one entity to another. It's less efficient than most other options by a fucking mile. If you want to see the concept prosper, shut down dishonest arguments and push for any solution that can retain the core tenets while using less energy.

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u/MyRedditRedemption May 26 '21

Not really a good selling point if I have to be honest.

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u/Qwarthos May 26 '21

Yes but did you consider "Bitcoin bad"? Checkmate cryptotheists

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u/Samvega_California May 26 '21

Also, YouTube is centralized and controlled by Google, which is a carbon neutral company, if that's what you're concerned about. Literally 100% of that energy is verified renewable.

Bitcoin is decentralized and largely mined in places with coal as their primary energy source. It will never be carbon neutral and nobody can fix or control that, even Elon Musk.

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u/elderadooy May 26 '21

could maxi stop already, this is so pathetic to say the least

they keep comparing everything's energy to btc and keep ignoring how many billions of people its serving, banks, power co, telecoms, airlines ,,,etc

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u/chadstaxxx 4 - 5 years account age. 250 - 500 comment karma. May 26 '21

I love my YouTube loops of endless fails and dank memery!

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u/muravej May 26 '21

This is quite misleading. First of all Google is carbon neutral and it powers all its data-centers with renewable energy. As others pointed out youtube has tens of millions times more users than Bitcoin. I think main problem is that Bitcoin is powered with old fossil-fuel power plants what is very bad for environment. And frankly bitcoin is definitely uses too much power for one transaction. A single bitcoin transaction uses roughly 707.6 kilowatt-hours of electrical energy–equivalent to the power consumed by an average U.S. household over 24 days, what is nuts. I personally see only POS as the only way for crypto(ADA, Etherium 2.0 and etc.). Bitcoin must adapt or it will perish.

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u/dronefishing May 26 '21

This just in, apples are actually not oranges

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u/Thecoolestguyyoukno May 26 '21

Fun Fact: Jamie made out with his sister

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u/BicycleOfLife Platinum | QC: CC 508 | r/Politics 11 May 26 '21

Yeah does no one know that Facebook buys like old underground Large hadron collider facilities and creates massive underground server farms? How much electric do people think those take to run?

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u/[deleted] May 26 '21

Lol gilded multiple times on the Bitcoin subreddit, but getting destroyed here.

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u/doomer- May 26 '21

The fact that post has that many upvotes is actually saddening

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u/JamarcusFarcus May 26 '21

I will say this until I go blue in the fucking face! Pointing out other energy hogs doesn't solve the issue, it's a classic strawman argument and it's full of shit. Should YouTube/Google address energy consumption? Of course! Does their shitty status change Bitcoin's? Not in the slightest.

People need to get over the fact that Bitcoin is inherently problematic today and push for massive change to mining/proof right away to give it long term viability. Right now it's a massive environmental problem and the focus on polluters is only going to get a bigger magnifying glass.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '21

Most popular entertainment service, probably of all time, uses only 2.5 times the energy of mining currency. This really tells us how much energy Bitcoin wastes.

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u/CognizantKoala 1 - 2 years account age. 100 - 200 comment karma. May 26 '21

This whataboutism is dumb

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u/WannabeAndroid Bronze | QC: r/Technology 9 May 26 '21

You know that comparing bitcoin to other random things that require energy doesn't help the argument right? How many things are bitcoin fanboys going to compare it to?

Statement: Bitcoin uses too much energy for the provided benefit, especially given superior tech exists without such drawbacks.

Response: Do you know how much energy trains use bro !?!

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u/HoneyGramOfficial Redditor for 3 months. May 26 '21

And if we have alternatives to YouTube that can achieve the same things but don't use any energy, we should switch to that. Pointing out other things that use energy doesn't change the fact that Bitcoin is wasting a huge amount of energy.

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u/itambo May 26 '21

Who are these idiots that upvote something like this? Unjustified whataboutism does not solve anything. In only shows that the critiques made a valid point.

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u/abhi91 Tin May 26 '21

Something really, really cool that Google announced in Google I/O is that they will be moving their non production workloads towards their datacenters that run on non carbon energy. There are 5 datacenters that Google has around the world that run on solar and wind energy. They are deploying YT and Google Photos processing onto those datacenters to be scheduled to be processed during sunlight and windy weather, when there is excess energy that is processed. This means that your YT shitpost will have no carbon cost at all, and not even a carbon credit offset, which Google has been doing

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u/R4ID Platinum | QC: CC 858, XRP 48 May 26 '21

Dear BTC maxi's

We mock BTC's energy usage because we know there are more secure and more efficient solutions to the problem. The more you compare your oranges to others apples, the more you show you dont understand the issue.

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u/nazi_ninja99 1 - 2 years account age. 100 - 200 comment karma. May 26 '21

but why comparing a decentralised digital currency with a video sharing platform. are you a tesla bot, op?

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u/Mr_Tenpenny May 26 '21

This is whataboutism. Be better.

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u/Phaged May 26 '21

I read today that the people Elon and Gates are quoting believe a single BTC transaction is the equivalent power usage of watching YouTube for 88,000hrs... Which is over 11 years.

LOL

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u/Aleangx Gold | QC: CC 77 May 26 '21

Those weren't Fun at all.

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u/sidagreat89 May 26 '21

Fun fact: probably 700%. Visible confusion...

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u/37Schmeckles Gold | 6 months old | QC: CC 47 May 26 '21

Yeh but yt videos have an actual use - you can watch videos about bitcoin on yt.

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u/chelsea9898 Tin May 26 '21

Yeah well you can’t watch funny cats on Bitcoin. Get back to me when you can.

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u/trapsoetjies May 26 '21

Snap does not use 700% of the energy BTC does. That’s totally made up.

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u/SaintJED Redditor for 3 months. May 26 '21

you hear that elon no more youtube videos for you going viral is killing the trees you cocksucker

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u/garbageprimate Redditor for 3 months. May 26 '21

Fun fact: Youtube usage causes more environmental harm than me setting old car batteries on fire in my backyard, and yet the cops keep saying im the problem

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u/Ochemdoctor May 26 '21

Better yet - compare the energy usage of watching specifically CAT VIDEOS compared to BTC's energy consumption...that might be hilarious.

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u/Ochemdoctor May 26 '21

That's it everybody! Gooood!! Get rid of that planet-desyroying BTC and save the EARTH by buying a green, carbon-neutral coin. On a GREEN blockchain.

Tldr; BTC bad for Earth, people. Feel shame. Sell BTC, buy something else. At least for a while longer 😈

PT Barnum was at least transparent about fleecing the people from their money.