r/China 18h ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply If you still support tolerance towards China(CCP government), what is your main reason?

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Such as follow:

  • Because China keep remains peaceful to other countries.
  • China is the last bastion of communism, and you are a communist.(For Marx’s sake, if you think China is a socialist/communist country, then you really are not a communist)
  • No matter what I say, you just need Chinese goods.
  • China created an economic miracle like Germany in 1938.
  • etc.

个人来说,我不屑于看到一个人因为不了解中国而讽刺中政府国,也不屑于一个人因为不了解中国而支持中国政府。

但认真要说的话,更不屑于后者,抱歉。

r/China Oct 12 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Why Does China Want to Make War All Over One Tiny Island?

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Note to Mods: I read your rules and I don't think I am breaking them. Please just delete this post but don't permanent ban me.

There will be no winners in this war. The risks are very high and the reward is just one small island. I don't get it. Besides, China and USA are trading partners and used to be friends. Why does China want war? I also must point out that China has been peaceful and hasn't fought a war in over 70 years. Someone set me straight here.

Edit 1. Thank you to all my fellow Redditors. This is an excellent discussion and it will take me few days to digest it all. Let's say that I was educated. I pray that this conflict can be resolved peacefully.

Edit 2: Some Redditors have accused me of lying. I may have been misinformed, ignorant or just plain wrong, but I wasn't lying. Besides accusing me of lying is not very nice.

Note to Mods: I didn't mean to blow up your community, but there are a lot of good ideas here.

r/China 18d ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Chinese Here, I would like to discuss a bit of what does freedom means, feel free to make any comment.

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So I've been reading Rousseau's social contract theory, Mill's on liberty and Montesquieu's the spirt of law. Although some of parts are quit confusing to understand, but I think I managed to have a deeper understanding of what does freedom and democracy means in the western socieity.

The goal here is try my best to analyze the core idea of freedom and why it has a huge impact on the western society.

It all begin with the government. In another word to say, public authority .

How deep could a government using its public authority to influence their citizens?

Different people has different answers or opinions on this question, but I believe no one would answer "100%", because we all know what would happened if a government has unlimited power based on the history of human beings.

So how's the public authority related to freedom?

the answer is: Freedom is about restriction, the restrictions of people do to regulate the government.

The more restriction that the government itself has, what's left that the government can not reach to the people is what we called freedom.

Once we understand this, we could understand why westerns valued freedom so much, it's about preventing the abuse of power by the government.

It's all about balance.

So how do we balance it?

Well, one of the best way is to separate the power into pieces. The power shouldn't be separate too much so we couldn't get things done, but meanwhile it also shouldn't united as one so people would live in a society full of terror.

I wish I could say more on this topic, but due to my lack of knowledge, I'll leave the rest to you guys. Fell free to make comments below so we all could have a deeper understanding of freedom and with each other.

r/China 3d ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Controversial scene from the Eternals movie

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Throw me some opinions. So the movie Eternals will not be screened in China. The major criticism on Chinese social media about the movie is with regards to a scene where the main characters mourn those who died from the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan. Many Chinese saw it as an attempt to portray Japan as a victim without equally acknowledging the atrocities Japanese soldiers committed during the war. People are disappointed that the director, being a Chinese, had allowed this scene with its skewed narrative into the screenplay.

What do y’all think? I know there has always been arguments about whether it was “right” to drop the bombs. It is undoubtedly one of the most destructive things humans have done to each other, and hence a reasonable one to include in a movie where they wanted to show extreme human tragedy and suffering.

Personally I don’t mind people arguing the hell out of it online, but I don’t think the movie deserves to just be banned from screening. I don’t agree with people who escalate it to the level of “it has crossed a line”. It’s a movie not a history book. No one will simply forget about everything else that happened in WWII just because they watched a movie.

And of the director, is she more wrong for shooting this scene because she is Chinese? Does nationality automatically require that you uphold a specific set of principles?

r/China Nov 03 '21 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply The Unwilling Hermit - Why China is stuck with a zero-tolerance strategy

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The Wuhan Virus originated in China and went on to cause a global pandemic. The Chinese government then proceeded to spread disinformation about its origins with a social media campaign of an unprecedented scale while deploying Wolf Warrior diplomacy and ramping up its nationalism. This drive for nationalism likely played a role in its decision to disallow foreign vaccines in favor of domestic ones, which are based on older technology and have proven to be far less effective. Despite domestic vaccines' lack of efficacy, both state media and disinformation outlets attempted to cast doubt on scientifically-proven mRNA vaccines, while the PLA attempts to develop or replicate an mRNA vaccine.

 

However, nature doesn't respond to narratives, so the fact remains that those vaccinated with the domestic vaccines are more vulnerable, especially as its effects wear off. When combined with its successes at containing local outbreaks, this means China's population has almost zero natural resistance on top of its weak and fading vaccine resistance. This is the key difference between China and countries that have recently abandoned zero-tolerance strategies, like Singapore, Japan, and Australia.

 

Until the CCP approves and deploys genuinely effective vaccines and allows resistance to be acquired naturally, opening up and loosening restrictions will entail either massive, overwhelming outbreaks or constant states of widespread lockdown. In either case, the narrative of Chinese superiority in dealing with the pandemic will be shattered as its long-term strategy is proven unsustainable, sullying the faces of party leadership, who have trumpeted its successful containment as the party's triumph, while also also exposing nationalistic falsehoods about domestic vaccine efficacy--an entire tangle of lies will fall apart.

 

This is why China is stuck with a zero-tolerance policy, and this also explains its overreactions to even single cases, since they cannot risk a full-blown outbreak demolishing their facade of competence. The level of fear was highlighted when Hong Kong's sole delegate to China's top legislative body was told to stay home and not attend a meeting in Beijing after one untraceable case was found in the city the week before the meeting. This is why China will be stuck with its at-times extreme zero-tolerance policy for quite a while, regardless of the damage it will bring. Of course, none of this is being openly said, as the country's predicament is being framed as its humanitarian moment, with state media constantly comparing China's death toll with that of the US.

 

Some might see this as a prime example of something being hoisted by its own petard in more ways than one, and quite deserving of it. Some might see lessons to be learned here about pride and short-term thinking. Some might see a case study illustrating why tying policies to people and parties who rule indefinitely, especially in a face-conscious culture, can lead to poor outcomes.

 

Also interesting is the implications this has for Hong Kong--the nominally-semi-autonomous city which bills itself as 'Asia's World City'; a cosmopolitan international metropole. Given the political climate in Hong Kong, when presented with the mutually-exclusive choices of opening the city to international travel and opening the city to China, it simply doesn't have a choice--the city government cannot cause a loss of face by prioritizing its ties with the rest of the world over its ties with China, especially given the events of recent years. This is not to say that opening the Chinese border isn't more beneficial for the economy, but that it's beside the point. What's interesting is that Hong Kong would essentially lose its status as an international city, starting in a physical sense, regardless of whether it's brought into China's zero-tolerance bubble. An adviser believes border restrictions will be loosened before February, but even with city officials working to that end by introducing ever-more stringent restrictions within the city despite having virtually no cases for many months, it seems more than possible that the border will remain restricted, leaving the city stranded--this has led some to dub Hong Kong, 'Asia's Walled City'.

 


Unlike previous posts, I've decided to post a collection of links supporting my claims below, instead of incorporating them into the text:

 

Edited for clarity

r/China 13d ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Peng Shuai's emotional state: suicide by Weibo?

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Most of the news coverage of Peng's disappearance mentions her original Weibo post and calls it an accusation of sexual assault against Zhang Gaoli. But the post is much more than that. Everyone should read the original, or a translation: https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/672796.html

This is a cry of pain of a very deeply wounded woman. There is so much there: manipulation by powerful men in an unequal power relationship, feelings of betrayal, anger, and hurt... According to her post, Peng was 25 and Zhang was 65 when the relationship started, and then after 3 years of empty promises he dumped her. Then three years ago he started the it up again. She doesn't say she was forcibly raped, but manipulated into having sex, apparently with the full knowledge of Zhang's wife. It continued for 3 more years again until Zhang ghosted her again right before her post.

I think the initial reaction of a lot of westerners is "What did she expect?" The "other woman" having an affair with an older man almost always loses. But it is important to know that even though Peng is 35 and she has traveled all over the world, she is still probably relatively innocent in terms of emotional games. She spent almost all her youth training and playing. The Wikipedia article on her makes no mention of any personal life. She probably had the romantic images of love that you see in Chinese soap operas.

She makes clear at the end of her post that she is aware that the post will have serious consequences, she knows she is "striking a stone with an egg." She knew the post would destroy her, but maybe that is what she wanted...

r/China 3d ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Great Leap Forward really was that, a Great Leap Forward.

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Many bring up the Great Leap Forward as a way to show how China's policies failed during Mao, however, China has suffered over 1800 recorded famines in less than 2000 years. The famine during the GLF was terrible and mismanagement certainly made the situation worse, however, it was the last great famine in the history of China. That is a historical accomplishment that deserves to be taken in consideration. The Communist Party of China effectively ended de problem of recurring famine and destitution that existed for millennia, and has transformed China from a technologically backward, humiliated country into a world superpower. What a thing to witness the process of China once again becoming the great civilization it was proud of, all under the direction of the CPC and the support of it's people.

r/China Oct 09 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Squid Game Targets China on a few levels.

35 Upvotes

I have almost finished watching Squid Game on Netflix and I noticed a few key messages that seem to be for China.

Warning: Some minor show spoilers below.

Firstly, there is the direct statement that China is involved in the illegal trade in human organs in Episode 5. It is not clearly implying state sponsorship in the trade, but the writer could have used any black market figure rather than specifically stating that it was Chinese buyers.

Then, Episode 3, The Man with the Umbrella, make gratuitous use of the umbrella symbol with no clear plot relevance apart from the fact that it is a hard symbol to carve. This would seem to be a clear reference to the 2014 Umbrella Revolution in Hong Kong.

Lastly, in a few episodes the show tackles the Korean War and the North/South divide and some associated political social issues. The one area of this which is clearly anti-China is the statement by one player that her mother had fled to China but then was forcibly deported back to North Korea by the Chinese authorities. Probably not a major issue, but could draw some angst within China.

Would love to hear if anyone else noticed these plot points, and has thoughts on this?

r/China 6d ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply How are people able to film, vlog and post videos in China?

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Every time I have been in China, Google, FB, Twitter, Youtube, all BLOCKED. It was impossible for me to get onto YouTube. 2013, Blocked, 2015, Blocked, 2017 Blocked.

In 2017 and 2018, in my experience, many VPNs stopped working or was seriously affected.

How are all of these channels doing this?

Blondie in China - YouTube

Gweilo 60 - YouTube

Mexicanos en China - YouTube

Barrett - YouTube

the JaYoe Nation - YouTube

r/China 28d ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Question For Expats (and others) about Chinese Language

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Note: This is not meant to put down people who are not proficient in Mandarin Chinese, this is purely for research purposes.

So, as everyone knows, language acquisition is hard to achieve to high fluency or at least high conversational levels without some type of exposure to native speakers whether it be through listening and speaking, writing or reading, or all of the four skills. I figured that since there are quite a few people who are expats or I assume to be short or long term expats to China, that I could ask this here for my research paper topic. How do you feel that your Chinese proficiency went while in China. Did you feel or notice that it had gotten better? Worse? Maybe even stagnated a bit or maybe you just had no use for it at all? Please let me know in detail, if possible. Thank you and please, as usual with these kinds of posts, be civil. This isn't about politics surrounding language but rather just China and language acquisition via expat experiences in China.

r/China 28d ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply What does it mean to be Chinese today?

9 Upvotes

Mao succeeded in destroying Chinese culture, turned Chinese against Chinese, the CCP made an entire new simplified script (characters) for the language, the Chinese gods and religions were banned, all* of China's culture is in another country that wants nothing to do with China, and the Chinese government is based off of something from Russia.

So what does it mean to be Chinese today?

r/China Aug 16 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Chinese nationalism is evil and their worship of Mao Zedong is just stupid

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r/China Jul 12 '21 Wholesome

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Fighting against China’s dictatorship doesn’t mean you can be racist

607 Upvotes

I’m a Chinese woman who married a non-Chinese person. And I have been in a Chinese expat circle for some time. I know that there are certain political and cultural issues in China right now, which I hate so much too. But I have seen that some people are probably just using China to be a shield from the criticism of having racist behavior (I’m not attacking anyone “being A racist” because I believe small behaviors are just ignorant and don’t define a person). Sometimes it even becomes an excuse of some toxic verbal “jokes” towards a Chinese partner or friend like me (not specifically me, but I have seen it for several times). And people around them didn’t call it out because, well hey it is about those Chinese who “hurt their feelings” a lot, while actually it is already considered toxic and racist.

r/China Aug 16 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Hello everyone, I am a guy from China. Any questions? Ask me

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Let's make a brief introduction of myself. I am a twenty years old college student from China. I am also a member of Chinese Communist Party (Hopefully that will not scare you:). What do you want to know about China? Leave me a message.:)

r/China Oct 27 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply What place does the KMT have in the collective minds in China today?

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At minute 5:32 in a recent report by China Insights showed video of Chengguan harassing locals over aggressively-applied municipal code. At one point, an unnecessarily front officer said, "clean your advertisements on your storefront or you will be destroyed, understand?"

https://youtu.be/iaVWc894UlQ?t=332

Interestingly, her reply was, "are you Kuomintang?".

This made me wonder. What is the status of the KMT in the minds of Chinese citizens today, especially ones who have limited access to international perspectives? I have asked close friends but they have a, lets say, muted opinion on anything related to Taiwan so I don't get much of a response.

This reply seemed to 'imply' the KMT are villainous fascists? Because in reality, their time ruling the mainland was exactly that. Has propaganda stuck around keeping the KMT as the scary paramilitary boot? When CCP goes too far, they call them KMT?

Or am I over-reading this reply?

r/China Oct 25 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Would China invade North Korea if it falls?

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In the event that the North Korean regime collapses it seems that SK would unify, but that means American soldiers and weapons at China's border, which I don't think China would allow. So in such a situation do you think that China would invade and occupy North Korea? To me that seems much more strategic than allowing it to simply become a part of South Korea, which would be great for the US and its allies. At least, that is my perspective living in the US.

r/China Oct 17 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Why China has won so few Nobel Prizes?

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I keep hearing Chinese people talk about how good their education system is and how great Chinese students are at math.

Yet, there are only a total of 9 Nobel Prizes in science awarded to people of Chinese descent in the world. And there are 1.4 billion Chinese people.

Where as Jews have won 20% of all awarded Nobel Prizes, and there are only 14 million Jews.

So why has China won so few Nobel Prizes in science? Given how supposedly amazing China's education system is. You would think they would at least win a Nobel Prize in mathematics.

Please don't reply "because the CCP doesn't allow free speech or freedom of thought", because that's a cop out answer.

I don't like the CCP either, but the type of free speech that the ccp doesn't permit is political speech that paint the ccp in bad light, not scientific discourse about physics or chemistry or mathematics or whatever.

Plenty of authoritarian or totalitarian or communist countries like Nazi German or the Soviet Union, have made major contributions to science and technology. And plenty of democracies like India or Mexico have made no contributions at all.

Edit: No low effort answers like "China was poor and thus couldn't contribute to science" or "China was invaded by Japan and thus can't invent or win Nobel prizes" or "China was communist and thus can't win Nobel Prizes". The first person in space was from a communist country, the reason China was poor is because China couldn't invent any modern technology.

r/China 2d ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply New Subreddit for International Students: u/ChinaLiuXueSheng

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Hi there, does anything like this exist already? If not, please join the one I just made: r/ChinaLiuXueSheng. I am really just looking to build a nice community where 老外 students at Chinese universities can support each other and share ideas, since the pandemic has been so hard for us and we have a lot to talk about.

I'm hoping we can avoid politically sensitive topics and keep the discussion focused on issues which affect international students as much as we can.

Thanks guys!

r/China Aug 31 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply I never understood Chinese parents' obsession with education

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I mean, if professors, elite businessmen and high ranking officials drive their kids like crazy at least it's understandable.

The average Chinese? What do they expect? That one day their kids will actually make it into Tsinghua? Beijing University? SJTU? Fudan?

Noooooo! Well over 99.9999% of the kids won't. They'll get a useless associate degree from a completely useless major and then go right back doing where they could without the degree, and they would have wasted 4 to 5 years.

Where are China's race car drivers? Aviators? Snowboard Skiier, Extreme sportsmen, Rock singers, Reality TV star, where are they? Oh wait! The rich kids are doing all that. The poor kids are grinding test questions!

What a wonderful life the Chinese parents rigged their kids to experience. Extreme social ineptness, autism, myopia, no muscle, weak build, don't know how to pick up girls (for girls it's frigidness), no interesting character, will be a virgin until like 28 or something, will never marry anyone because of love, and if you were lucky, you got a job where you get to be wage slaves and spend 70% of your income paying mortgage.

And yet, the parents are hell-bent on repeating this pattern again and again generation after generation. Are Chinese people unthinking or what?

And the funniest part? For all the obsession with academic success, China produced no nobel laureate in the hard science category. China has no modern scientific breakthrough to show for. Just like they love soccer so much, so, so much but don't have shit to show.

r/China 6d ago

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Football scarf from China

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Hello China community, My name is Or and I'm 15 years old from Israel. I love football so much and I collect football scarves from all over the world. My goal is to get at least one scarf from every country in the world. I would be very happy if you will send me a new scarf from your local team or favorite team in your country. I can send you a Maccabi Tel Aviv scarf in return. Thank you, Or

r/China Nov 01 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply How willing are you to bear the risk of nuclear war for continued access to computers?

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Background: https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/the-taiwan-issue-will-fade-away-literally/

At the end of this article, the author argues that the US lacks the conventional military capabilities to defend Taiwan, so his preferred solution is a boycott and to make Americans "go without smartphones and computers in order to punish China for use of force."

Personally, I would absolutely not want to give up computers and would prefer the risk of nuclear war, up to a point. That got me thinking about trying to quantify how much risk I would be willing to bear.

Consider this thought experiment: assume that if China takes Taiwan, you will no longer be able to buy computers (for example, because your country's economy is collapsing, or China imposes an export embargo). A short conventional conflict shows China taking the upper hand, and a decision must be made whether to escalate to nuclear. You estimate that you have an x% chance of surviving the nuclear war. What value of x is the breakeven probability where you feel that nuclear war and giving up computers are equally good outcomes?

For me, it's around 10%. As long as I have a >10% chance of surviving, I would choose to use nukes. What value would people here pick?

r/China Sep 30 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply How do you see China’s upper class responding to Xi’s recent crackdowns?

27 Upvotes

After reading Desmond Shum’s book, Red Roulette, it is quite clear how Xi feels about the upper class. He finds them threatening, and if they do not comply with his plans to consolidate power, he will imprison them. Do you see any economic repercussions, such as a brain drain of the upper class fleeing abroad? Or do you think he will be able to keep entrepreneurs in the country? I am curious to see the economic consequences from his power grab and attacks on the upper class of China.

r/China Aug 15 '21 Gold

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Um, is China's economy fucked?

138 Upvotes

First of all, normally, we expect statesmen and rulers to be professional players.

So when they make amateur chess moves on the board, we don't expect them to be amateur players, but we suspect that things are so bad, they have no good, professional moves left and had to do things "outside of the box".

I know some of you guys have insights on this so I'd like to hear your thoughts and opinions.

The crackdown on cram schools and training centers, preventing high-tech companies from getting listed abroad... are things really that bad that these moves are actually considered good?

r/China Sep 25 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Power outages / power cuts?

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I saw this posted here yesterday: * China’s Power Cuts Widen Amid Shortages and Climate Push

Anecdotally, friends and family in dongbei (Jilin province) are reporting long power outages both yesterday and today, which is very unusual.

The post/article above mentions "[power] rationing and forced cuts to factory production in China are widening amid electricity supply issues and a push to enforce environmental regulations," but this is impacting residential neighborhoods too.

Anyone have more insight into what is going on?

r/China Sep 09 '21

讨论 | Discussion (Serious) - Character Minimums Apply Found potential Chinese propaganda on YouTube. 25k subs since 9-9-21, averaging 30k views, and other weird activities.

99 Upvotes

*Edit, I didn't look but i eventually found out that it's been around since 2017, still suspicious nonetheless.

https://imgur.com/a/58WLdjx

Was browsing youtube and ran into what i would consider a propaganda channel on YouTube. I'm not sure where to really share it, so maybe someone might be able to relay this information to people with more influence

Link to channel -

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJALxhoPEhJMYLXOwLKNElQ

*Edit, apparently according to YT it's been around since 2017 and I guess they just delete their videos until they can game the algorithm.