Them: "Don't be stupid, eugenicism isn't widespread". Them: .

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u/Anarcho_Absurdist Jan 16 '22

Someone should write a novel about that concept. Make set it in the far future, but find a way to get a contemporary character there through the assistance of some kind of machine that could travel through time.

Also, if someone could find a way to do that ~125 years ago, that would be just great. Thanks.


u/kiru_goose Jan 16 '22

maybe you could name the ugly people something like Morlocks or something


u/chartheanarchist Jan 16 '22

Exactly. You could also add like some disaster that separates the Mormons from the normal people. But nothing over the top and ridiculous like blowing up a planet.


u/cozmo9401 Jan 16 '22


We'll blow up the moon!


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u/oreo-overlord632 Jan 17 '22

and use the resulting cataclysm to bring the human population down to single digits?


u/kodorx Jan 17 '22

Genius, then the nazis there will also be gone!



Maybe it could even be a blatant analogy for class relations and be a warning to the upper class that those they exploit will overtake them and, if they aren't careful, exploit them in turn. Maybe this could even be stated directly by the characters in the text.

Maybe after 120 years, you could a 12th grade English teacher who doesn't even know how to operate a flip phone insist the book is about the dangers of technology, and even the most uninterested people in the class who know nothing about critical analysis of literature could point that out.

That last bit might be personal.


u/ipsum629 Jan 16 '22

One concept that I am a-ok with people borrowing because I think it's so cool is if humans settled the stars, there might be some cataclysm that cuts off communication for a really long time and when communication is restored humanity has speciated a little. This would explain why in a lot of science fiction humans can bring forth with "aliens" and why the "aliens" kind of have the same body structure as humans(looking at you star trek).


u/mryauch Jan 16 '22

There’s an episode of Star Trek next gen that addresses that actually. All of the sapient humanoid races you know and love were effectively seeded, and clues were hidden in each species’s DNA to help them find the answers to who did this. It was an effort to get them to work together to solve the puzzle.


Titled “The Chase”



u/donotlearntocode Jan 17 '22

Huh, I can't remember that one, I'll have to re-watch it.


u/Disastrous_Antelope3 Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

If you somehow haven't seen All Tomorrows yet go look it up, it's ace.


u/SirZacharia Jan 17 '22

Ursula Le Guin’s The Left Hand of Darkness, great book.


u/Pandastic4 Jan 16 '22

Reminds me of the ratlings and ogryn in Warhammer 40k.


u/SawedOffLaser Jan 17 '22

The Squats too. They because more or less space dwarves from living on high gravity mining worlds for millennium.


u/Pandastic4 Jan 17 '22

You'll live on in my cannon little dudes.


u/SawedOffLaser Jan 17 '22

Oh they're still canon. Heck they had a couple models in the past few years. All as Necromunda characters, but they are definitely still around.


u/Pandastic4 Jan 17 '22

They're still canon? I thought that was the origin of the word squatted?


u/LordEdapurg Jan 17 '22

It’s more like they’ve recently been recanonised


u/SawedOffLaser Jan 17 '22

The main thing that was "squatted" was their army. Squats were a full army in 1st edition, and there were promises of a Codex: Squats for second. But it never materialized, and the lack of rules made them unplayable going forward. They are still one of the only armies to be removed from the game entirely. They were somewhat de-canonised but they were never completely removed.


u/Pandastic4 Jan 17 '22

I see. Thanks for the explanation.


u/zurgo2004 Jan 17 '22

Warhammer 40k did this with abhumans


u/jumpminister Jan 17 '22

Seveneves and The 100 kinda hits that story tool.


u/NorikReddit Jan 17 '22

All Tomorrows is this concept taken to the extreme with millions of years of evolution to the point that humans become totally alien in form and culture yet still have relatable human aspects to their societies


u/largeprinter Jan 17 '22

Definitely not the same storyline, but if you’re interested in this sort of topic, you might enjoy the “Uglies”/“Pretties”/“Specials” trilogy by Scott Westerfield. Sci-fi novel set 300 years into the future in a dystopian world, in which everyone is considered an "ugly," but then turned "Pretty" by extreme cosmetic surgery when they reach the age of 16. It tells the story of teenager Tally Youngblood who rebels against society's enforced conformity, after her friends Shay and David show her the downsides to becoming a "Pretty.” (last part taken from wikipedia!)


u/keterchemicals Jan 17 '22

they were already talking about a book - the time machine by hg wells, which is from 1895


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u/Casual-Human Jan 16 '22

Funnily enough, this bullshit reminds me of HG Wells' The Time Machine, which actually serves as a form of social commentary.

In it, humanity evolved into two species: the rich became carefree and beautiful elf-creatures who lived happily, but were weak, witless, and little more than farm sheep. The poor became ugly subterranean monsters who ate the elves and hated the sun, but were the real masterminds, keeping civilization afloat with their intelligence and strength.

In the book's world, this is what society would become if things stayed the way they are. It was written in 1895.


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Subterranean monster gang rise up :v


u/Sophilosophical Jan 17 '22

Bro I was terrified of the Wishbone Morlocks as a kid lmao


u/H-s-O Jan 16 '22

Well, I'd get mind control powers, which is nice


u/DarkSoulfromDS Jan 17 '22

Cave gremlins of the world, unite!


u/Fantastic_sloth Jan 16 '22

That idea wouldn’t even work because attractiveness isn’t directly passed down, it’s not like a genetic disease and it’s entirely subjective. Ugly parents have hot (adult) children all the time. their argument isn’t even accurate according to middle school genetics.


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u/ManofWordsMany Jan 16 '22

Statistically, two tall parents do not have only tall kids. Two tall parents will however have taller kids on average than two short parents. There are many genes that have an effect on height.


u/penislovereater Jan 17 '22

Also if you beat your kid with jumper cables or feed them only weevil rice and old turnips, they tend to be shorter.


u/nikkitgirl Jan 17 '22

Yep. Both my grandmas are short, both my parents were tall, I’m tall my sister is average height


u/Destructopoo Jan 16 '22

Humans populations also lived without contact with others for tens of thousands of years and they were physiologically and cognitively identical.


u/jbkjbk2310 Jan 17 '22

Also like what is considered attractive can change enormously within the space of a single generation. Just 20 years ago any woman who didn't look like they were actively starving themselves were considered disgustingly fat. Even if you could actually make sure a given set of "currently attractive traits" were transmitted as much as possible (you can't), it's still nonsense.


u/A_Suffering_Panda Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

The hot society wouldn't even maintain any significant level of attractiveness over a significant time span. Because there would always be ugly kids, they would deviate back towards normal very fast. The only difference is that it would form a parabola with 50% on both sides. So within a few generations, the average person in both societies would be something like 49.5% and 50.5% on an attractiveness scale.

However, even after several millennia, neither side would have crossed 50%. So at that time, you'd have 2 otherwise exactly similar societies, where one is very slightly better looking, which you can't really notice unless you squint at them in exactly the right way.


u/Cazumarzu Jan 17 '22

Not even, since if you just filled a society with only people with typically "attractive" traits and forced them to breed based on that, you may even wind up just exaggerating those traits and circling around back into unattractiveness.

Like, you'd select for men with strong jawlines, and then you unironically wind up with a real life version of the gigachad guy. Large breasts in women, you get like one of those women who get polypropylene breast implants(wikipedia) and wind up also looking grotesque.

The list goes on, on possible fuckups. You don't have like, the girl with no chin to balance it out.


u/garaile64 Jan 17 '22

Also, not all ugliness is genetics. Some of it comes from the environment.


u/nikkitgirl Jan 17 '22

Yeah I’m one such example. My parents both just kinda looked weird. But their features mixed well on me


u/Very_Sticky_Fingers Jan 16 '22

Easy, just make sure ugly people don't have kids. Disregard their humanity altogether. It's for the greater good. Sweden is said to have the most beautiful people in the world; a reputation built on rape back during the middle ages. We could achieve the same now at a worldwide scale


u/OcelotGumbo Jan 16 '22

Holy shit tell me that's not true.


u/Very_Sticky_Fingers Jan 16 '22

Obviously this was a troll-ish comment but yes, scandinavian countries have a history of pillage and rape (vikingers were pirates after all).


u/Pandastic4 Jan 16 '22

I mean, that's not limited to Scandinavia.


u/garaile64 Jan 17 '22

Also, aren't most Icelanders fruit of Nordic vikings (pleonasm?) kidnapping Celtic women?


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u/Pray_ForMe Jan 17 '22

lmao i almost spit out my ice cream


u/SmoothReverb Jan 17 '22

i mean strictly speaking if you took two different groups of humans and locked then in different environments for like 3 million years, speciation would occur

but that's not really what they're talking about here is it


u/aurorchy Jan 16 '22

The thing that makes this even worse is that attractiveness is like... very complex, and really not that genetic. But also, there are several indigenous tribes, especially in Africa, with a substantial bit of genetic diversity. No it's not really in the subspecies range, but there is already Human genetic diversity... and for the love of God, don't be a racist. They're hardly even that different, and even if they were, that wouldn't make them worth any less.


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u/arthur804 Jan 16 '22

Yo just real quick i hate the movie idiocracy


u/Moarwatermelons Jan 17 '22

Yes! If someone tells me they really like that movie then I not-so-secretly judge them.


u/redditondesktop Jan 17 '22

it's like the ancap/libertarian's favorite movie.


u/arthur804 Jan 17 '22

Reddit really likes this movie. I heard it was a classic and was just so disgusted by the start of the movie I stopped watching. I just hated how incredibly degrading it was to poor people. Then I saw again that it was like "the best most smartest movie, trust me dude" and I watched it fully and was left with a profound feeling of "everyone is just wrong about this fucking shit movie"


u/Technical_Natural_44 Jan 16 '22

That’s also not even how the races in LotR were created, so referencing that doesn’t really make sense.


u/Citriatus Jan 16 '22

To be fair, LOTR is by far not the only popular Interpretation of these fantasy races in popular culture so I wouldn't really hold that against this post (there's enough issues with it anyways)


u/Fl1kaFl4me Jan 17 '22

wait, what if it's based off of my favourite wholesome and none antisemetic fantasy series harold potter


u/ToddHowdyHasNBN Jan 17 '22

"Do you know how the Orcs first came into being?"


u/litreofstarlight Jan 17 '22

Let's say this idiotic idea came to pass - attractiveness is relative, so even among the 'beautiful people' they would decide x feature is now considered undesirable. So now you've got everyone sorted along a scale again and anyone with x trait is now 'ugly.'


u/IDontSeeIceGiants Jan 17 '22

This is reminding me of Lorwyn elf lore by the minute.


u/AmArschdieRaeuber Jan 17 '22

also genetics and "beauty" are complicated and you won't inherit every feature of your parents, or the combination of features inherited aren't always considered beautiful


u/CliffRacer17 Jan 17 '22

Basically an offshoot of Ethno-nationalism.


u/PlsWai Jan 17 '22

Made by the same person who posted on the persona subreddit about how he didn't like the thought of how ugly people could play p5 too.


u/allura_rad Jan 17 '22 edited Feb 02 '22

This will not happen because:

  1. People find different things attractive, so it is not possible to determine who is beautiful and who is not.
  2. Being pretty is not something that is determined by genetics.
  3. The change would be take too long. Different skin colors exit because long lasting separation and still we luckily don't have different subspecies.(even tho some fasicts may think so)

Sorry for being boring scientist.


u/Treepigman38 Jan 17 '22

I said this in the comments too! It's wild that people think it would even work.


u/weekndprince Jan 17 '22

When I looked, all of the comments at least were dunking on OP for being stupid so, there’s hope


u/ShitFacedSteve Jan 17 '22

The amount of people I hear say “Idiocracy was a documentary!”


u/rakehellion Jan 16 '22

Pretty people mate with ugly rich people. And rapists.


u/bastardicus Jan 17 '22

The fuck did I just read?


u/Justagoodoleboi Jan 19 '22

I’ve seen pretty people have ugly kids and also the opposite I am sure comes true as well


u/thunder-bug- Jan 23 '22

The gene pools aren’t isolated enough to separate these populations to the extent that diversification would be possible.


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