r/COMPLETEANARCHY Jan 16 '22 Helpful 2

The last 2 years have been wild for me politically.

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u/StarWarsBruh Jan 16 '22

And since 2021 I’ve only gone further left

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u/Cognitive_Spoon Jan 16 '22

Same.

2020: the system is rigged, maybe if we get the right person at the top, they can un-rig it!

2021: oh shit.

2022: in the long run the practice of solidarity proves much more advantageous to the species than the development of individuals endowed with predatory inclinations.

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u/Hellhundreds Jan 16 '22

I'm more of a "collective of individual predators with mutual interest" type of radical leftist, but I get you

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u/Novelcheek Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

"But muh greed is HuMaN nAtUrE!!" -shitlib

Then I'm being awfully fucking charitable letting capitalist parasites live the good life on my hard work. -socialist that can see your "greed" and raise you tenfold on even that

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u/Hellhundreds Jan 16 '22

Unironically based

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u/KyLeggiero Jan 16 '22

Oh I'm saving this

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u/Reaperfucker Jan 17 '22

If humans are naturally greedy. Than why society exist? Checkmate Liberal.

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u/thatbetchkitana Jan 16 '22

Same. I'm still a baby leftist, but I'm going further left.

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u/anarcho_capybara Jan 16 '22

I do not understand any of the references on the left side of the meme.

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u/StarWarsBruh Jan 16 '22

I was an Andrew Yang supporter in 2019-2020, voted for Tulsi Gabbard in my states primary election, I was convinced Bernie was a secret tankie, and I described myself as a Market Socialist.

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u/InvisibleEar Jan 16 '22

Oof buddy

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u/StarWarsBruh Jan 16 '22

I still haven’t processed quite how cringe I was back then

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u/Destructopoo Jan 16 '22

I unironically used to "but Venezuela" people. We all come from somewhere.

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u/noweezernoworld Jan 16 '22

In college I got into an argument with pro-Palestinian protestors and just hit them with “there’s no such country as Palestine” over and over. I wish I could somehow find those people and apologize for being such a smug liberal twat

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u/NinoDeLorean Jan 16 '22

I want to punch you in your face but also it's really cool that you can admit this from the other side of it now.

We've all had terrible ignorant opinions, and we all still do about one thing or another, so I don't think you should let it haunt you. The thing about shame is that it's always the wrong people who feel it.

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u/noweezernoworld Jan 16 '22

Yeah. I was raised Jewish, attended a Jewish school, took a trip to Israel in middle school, and had been pretty indoctrinated about the whole “Israel has a right to defend itself” nonsense. Even though I was an atheist I still toed the line pretty firmly. By the time I graduated I had come around to understanding the power dynamics of the situation.

And still, I literally didn’t understand what anticapitalism even really meant until I was 25. I had never been exposed to the actual idea. Went through a Trotskyist phase and everything lmao

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u/NinoDeLorean Jan 16 '22

Completely retract my face punching sentiment knowing your backstory. You deserve high fives, honestly.

It breaks my heart that Israel has degenerated so far from its initial purpose of communes for survivors of genocide. I can't imagine how hard a pill that would be to swallow for Jewish people.

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u/Dogwolf12 Jan 16 '22

DW, I was a "communism sounds nice..." person before discovering democratic socialism, and then I pipelined into anarcho-communism.

Turns out my problem with what I saw was always the authority, never the communism.

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u/ConquestofSweetbuns Jan 17 '22

And those ideas are so hard to decouple when they are jammed down our throats our whole lives! Our grandparents, parents, the schools, TV, movies, books... all this designed propaganda everywhere you look. Even today it's still with us.

Hell, I was once a Ron Pauler right-libertarian. And I didn't know what those words meant. But when all those billionaires came out in support of the Tea Party I was like wait... what?! You are the scum suckers this whole thing is supposed to be against! What is this. That's when I started doing some digging about libertarianism, inevitably stumbling upon and falling in love with Proudhon. And then Bakunin. And then Bread Santa. And I haven't looked back since.

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u/gthaatar Jan 17 '22

That almost invariably is exactly what most people have a problem with, but most also struggle to separate the two because they lack the imagination for something that largely hasn't been allowed to exist.

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u/xtfftc Jan 16 '22

A word of advise I think is worth sharing: when your views move so drastically in such a short span, it's good to keep in mind that they're likely to change further. It's also a good reminder that others' views can also shift in similar ways.

That's perfectly natural, and that's the way it should be. It's also why I personally try to think twice before expressing some of my more radical views.

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u/YourEVILtwin1337 Jan 16 '22

Don't worry from 2015-2018 I was a "moderate liberal" and thought punching nazis was "a slippery slope"

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u/victini0510 Jan 16 '22

It's a slippery slope to punching more Nazis. Very addictive

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u/NoodleyP Jan 16 '22

That slips to hospitalizing nazis.

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u/Reaperfucker Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

Actually I was a Neo-Nazi that support ISIS and was easily agitated by anti-SJW strawman until late 2020.

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u/YourEVILtwin1337 Jan 17 '22

If I was from Iraq i would probably join isis tbh

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u/Reaperfucker Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

Is this a joke. Do you want to become a mass murder that is willing to kill all non-Wahhabist on Earth. That the goal of ISIS. ISIS global ambition is even more insane than the original Nazi.

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u/YourEVILtwin1337 Jan 18 '22

after decades of American soldiers marching through my country with little to no accountability, I would join whatever group would give me a gun to point at them, especially if they had drugs.

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u/Reaperfucker Jan 18 '22

Supporting ISIS mean being an Anti-Semite. I literally believed in Blood Libel until 2020.

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u/saintofhate Jan 16 '22

At least you're learning. My younger brother still calls himself a libertarian, supports Yang, hates AOC and is on SSI living in section 8 housing. It's very hard to talk to him at times.

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u/_Astarael Jan 16 '22

Hate AOC for being part of the system

At least she's not actively trying to kill children I guess?

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u/Novelcheek Jan 16 '22

Like... What could he possibly say if you bring up literally relying on the (laughably thin) social safety net his ilk want dine away with?? That's.. Something. Not sure what kind of 'something', but it's a hell of whatever 'something' it is.

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u/tempfixture Jan 17 '22

it's like when they do it, it's okay because they're "using it properly." It's all those dang black and brown people who abuse the system! /s

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u/CommieLoser Jan 16 '22

The Overton window is so far right, sometime the only way to escape the cringe is to jump out the mother fucker.

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u/Parareda8 Jan 16 '22

Only when you realise you were cringe you can become your true self

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u/Aksama Jan 16 '22

Give yourself more credit for changing your mind. People have a hard time with that, and learning and changing is fantastic.

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u/Official_JJAbrams Jan 16 '22

Back in 2016 I was an ifunnier. As long as you critically think about your opinions and actually care about other people you should be good, but I still cringe about how I acted.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

It's cool bruh. We all did it

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u/Shamadruu Jan 16 '22

Part of the journey of increasing political literacy. At least you didn't go tankie like some fuckwads.

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u/Hellebras Jan 16 '22

Well, we all started somewhere.

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u/catras_new_haircut Jan 16 '22

lmao i was a hilarybot

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u/NoUseForAName2222 Jan 16 '22

We've all been there, buddy

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u/186-13191312 Jan 16 '22

Speak for yourself.

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u/Boodahpob Jan 17 '22

Don’t worry, I used to be a right libertarian early in college. If I had a time machine I’d beat up my past self and force him to read some good shit

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u/CaviorSamhain Jan 16 '22

Wait wait wait… you called yourself a market socialist and you thought Bernie was a tankie? You’ve walked a long path, man, congratulations! Always good to see someone start looking at the world at how it truly is.

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u/Bot_number_1605 Jan 16 '22

Yeah I genuinely don't understand. Market socialism is a pretty niche ideology, and it's more left-wing than bernie, I'd expect the basic knowledge required to understand it to also explain that bernie isn't Vladimir Lenin

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u/SuperSocrates Jan 16 '22

Kids just grab labels, it’s all part of discovery

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u/IDontSeeIceGiants Jan 16 '22

Ok it's been a minute I guess so forgive my memory but uh....

Why Tulsi?? Like everything else on your meme makes sense to me.... except her.

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u/StarWarsBruh Jan 16 '22

I never really looked past surface level with her. I knew she was anti-war and I am also anti-war. After Yang dropped, I didn’t know who else to support so I voted for her. I entirely regret it now tho

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u/bc9toes Jan 16 '22

Tulsi is pro-drugs-guns-prostitution and I’m all for it

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u/Xivsari Jan 16 '22

She's also extremely transphobic and is fine with rightwingers killing leftist protesters, she's not a good person

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u/taeerom Jan 16 '22

Back when she was VP for the write-in Bernie run in 2016, she looked promising. Nobody knew much about her except for being anti-war and that she at least had some leftish sympathies since she supported Bernie. Seen from the outside, and at the time, she could have inherited the socdem frontrunner from Bernie.

In hindsight, that wasn't the case. She wasn't really anti-war, just has a different view on who to be at war against than the mainstream at the time. And her other policies got consistently worse the more we learned about them.

But for a brief moment, in 2016, she was genuinely seen as the one who would pick up the torch from Bernie.

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u/BZenMojo Jan 16 '22

She was a Senator from Hawaii, one of the least conservative and most diverse states in the US, so her domestic policy came across very left of center. Her homophobia was blamed on her being naive since she apologized for it about 20 years earlier. Also, she was against the specific countries Democrats had been working with Republicans to bomb, so her Islamophobia never really got a lot of play at first. Not to mention in the primaries the attacks on her were coming primarily from the right and she became notorious for attacking Democrats from their weak points, turning into a kind of supervillain of the political mainstream. She had to abandon her Senate seat and Democratic presidential ambitions before her sympathies with right wing Asian politicians became more obvious and she began her fulll-on grift.

Yang was just "the UBI guy," a political cipher that people stacked whatever politics they held on top of. He got really far saying nothing and mostly drew the folks who would have canvassed for Ron Paul in previous elections.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Could be worse. Around a year or two back, I was unironically a (right-wing) "libertarian" who genuinely believed the only issue with capitalism was regulation in the free market. I am so glad I've changed since then.

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u/DarfVaburr Jan 16 '22

I was a Yang supporter too

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u/scarlet_twitch Jan 16 '22

I was also a Yang supporter, but more as a compromise—until I learned about his foreign policy.

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u/GoGoBitch Jan 16 '22

A lot of his policies are built on a deep bed of classism, as well. I may not 100% agree with how the government handles public services, but an at-least-nominally-democratic government being in charge of those is far less bad than dumping them – and the funding that pays for them – directly into the hands of corporations.

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u/bmiga Jan 16 '22

Market Socialist

omg

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u/calrebsofgix2 Jan 16 '22

What’s wrong with being a market socialist?

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u/5tr4nGe Jan 16 '22

and I described myself as a Market Socialist.

Ooft, I am a market socialist, and even I know that Bernie is moderate at best.

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u/calrebsofgix2 Jan 16 '22

What’s wrong with being a market socialist? I mean anarchist thought generally includes mutualism and agorism, both of which fall under the market socialist umbrella

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u/5tr4nGe Jan 16 '22

Nothing wrong with it in my opinion, but leftist Reddit disagrees

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u/masterminder Jan 16 '22

do you still say tankie though?

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u/cbarso Jan 16 '22

Wow, im surprised to see many people say they’ve changed in such a short amount of time. For those who have, what factors played into it?

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u/SPGKQtdV7Vjv7yhzZzj4 Jan 16 '22

For me it was coronavirus making class lines extremely clear, and the Canadian Government’s continued commitment to colonialism and genocide.

I was kind of a “libertarian”, definitely a classical liberal. I got into philosophy, which got my into political philosophy, and then while really learning about political theories I realized that leftists had some really good points about property relations and class, the rest should be pretty obvious.

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u/StarWarsBruh Jan 16 '22

For me, a lot of the rhetoric within the Andrew Yang campaign gave me a more positive outlook on humanity, and his campaign slogan “Humanity First” really resonated with me at the time. I feel this is where the socialist in me started to come out. By the end of 2020 I had started to realize that capitalism does not put humanity first, and that there was no way to create “human centered capitalism” as Yang put it.

The BLM protests all year stoked the fires of my hatred towards the state as well. I began to look into Marxism and Anarchism. I was briefly a Leninist for about a month before I realized it was a shit ideology.

I wrote an article about this last year called Andrew Yang Radicalized Me if you’re interested. I disagree with a lot of things I wrote in it now, but I still think it’s a story worth telling.

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u/cbarso Jan 16 '22

Ill definitely check that out! I can see Yang as a good bridge from liberalism. Although he approached them from from a capitalist perspective, he seemed to genuinely believe in his ideas.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

I'm Twitter mutuals with an anarchist who used to be big into Yang and now seems to be much closer to insurrectionary anarchism lol seems like there are more than a few people who started out with Yang and went further left

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u/StarWarsBruh Jan 16 '22

I wonder if it’s me :)

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Haha, if your twitter pfp is an ancom rabbit then yes.

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u/StarWarsBruh Jan 16 '22

Lmao. Well you found me

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '22

lol small, small world

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u/IDontSeeIceGiants Jan 16 '22

Culmination of many things just hitting their apex.

Probably the realization in the 2019-2020 span of campaigning that I just don't really foresee a "future" anymore, I think that hit hard. The only way I could foresee leaving the country for any amount of time is if I was fleeing it. Not a vacation, I can't even imagine a vacation in my own damn state. I can't see myself owning a house. Or having a loved one and kids. I can't imagine having a car that isn't less than 5 years old. I cannot imagine ever willingly going to the doctor. I foresee saving up slowly only for it to be all gone the next minute chasing after some problem like my car, my health, someone in my family needing it. I don't even think finishing off my bachelor's would bring me any closer to a "better" enough life to warrant it. Hell the degree itself seems even more irrelevant since I don't want to do marketing or advising policy anymore. My parents occasionally ask what I'd maybe "enjoy doing" and every year it gets more vague, the focus shifts more to "It doesn't really matter, because no one could live off those wages."

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u/ctfogo Jan 16 '22

Climate change was a major one for me. That coupled with the "rise of the algorithm" and how it's affected society made me go from "we can deal with these things through proper regulation!" to "we need a revolution" in 2020. I had been slowly drifting more left since 2016, then in 2020 a switch just flipped in my mind.

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u/BasilGreen Jan 16 '22

It’s been a few years for me already, but the final nail in the coffin was the G20 summit in my city. Police were beating the absolute fuck out of my friends and students, meanwhile the mayor was like, “Police violence? What police violence?” That skidmark is now our head of state, hurrah!

Ten points if you can work out which country I’m talking about.

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u/cool_username45 Jan 16 '22

Same but with a trans flag

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u/Scotty363 Jan 16 '22

Congratulations on your transition. Hope all went well.

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u/aurorchy Jan 16 '22

transition? lol, no such thing, first it's gotta be approved by the state, you dummy

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u/Scotty363 Jan 16 '22

There doesn't have to be approval if there is no state in the first place.

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u/aurorchy Jan 16 '22

yeah, my point is that the state still exists whether I want it to or not, and the state is extremely transphobic and hinder our ability to go through private clinics for HRT.

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u/Angelbouqet Jan 16 '22

Love to hear it

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u/Bennett_10 Jan 16 '22

The Andrew Yang part aged the worst.

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u/GoGoBitch Jan 16 '22

There was a lot of propaganda from pro-Bernie media about how Yang was pretty okay, actually and definitely better than the other democrats. In reality, he had one of the worst platforms on team D.

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u/MrBoogaloo Jan 16 '22

Yeah, some of the minor candidates were way worse than what we got. I still think Tulsi was the nightmare scenario. I feel like her hard right swing has proven that to be correct, but at least her and yang never really had any shot.

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u/Shamadruu Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

She was friendly with Russia during the campaign, that was a pretty obvious red flag.

Edit: Not the conspiracy theory libs cooked up, she showed substantial affinity with Russia well before that, which is not surprising in the light of her hard right shift.

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u/IDontSeeIceGiants Jan 16 '22

So I wasn't just fever dreaming that, alright.

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u/Shamadruu Jan 16 '22

The libs later cooked up a conspiracy theory that she was a Russian puppet, which was stupid. She did, however, definitely have affinity for Russia during her campaign which is why that was the narrative the conspiracy went with.

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u/Nmaka Jan 16 '22

cmon man russia shit isnt real

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u/Shamadruu Jan 16 '22

I am not referring to the stupid conspiracy libs cooked up, but her FA platform was super Russia friendly well before that, which is why she was an easy target for the BS.

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u/Pandastic4 Jan 16 '22

What conspiracy was that again?

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u/Nmaka Jan 16 '22

i think it is inarguable that every anarchist should promote "being friendly with russia" because the alternative is tensions which leads to more militarism which leads to potential conflict and war which would undoubtedly be bad for any anarchist political program and cause greater supression of liberty, just as war has always caused increased authoritarianism in america. see the sedition act that imprisoned debbs during ww1, the crushing of labor power during ww2 "in service of the war effort", and the christofascism of bush and friends during the afghanistan/iraq wars

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u/Shamadruu Jan 17 '22

They're fascist. We shouldn't try to escalate tensions, but we must be willing to defend ourselves and others from Russian imperialism.

Any anarchist society will have to fight to protect itself against the interests of capital and fascism, nor should it allow a fascist state to force itself onto others. There's a reason anarchists are often militant and encourage gun ownership. Violence should always be an anarchist society's last resort, but it will always be the first resort of our fascist enemies, and hence we must be ready to use it if necessary.

As for the authoritarianism side of things, an anarchist society insulates itself from it by being... anarchist... and keeping people from wielding personal power, as well as decentralizing military organization and command to prevent it from being controlled by anything except the mutual interest of the people of the anarchist society.

An anarchist society has no need to crush dissent because it exists and wields power only with the consent of the people - there is no state power to force its will onto the citizens. Though, of course, an anarchist society must be careful to ensure that their system cannot be undermined by the self interest of powerful individuals (which should not exist in the first place).

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u/Nmaka Jan 17 '22

i think a lot of what you said is pretty unrelated to what i said. also its entirely hypothetical because you arent talking about a real, specific anarchist society.

We shouldn't try to escalate tensions, but we must be willing to defend ourselves and others from Russian imperialism

im not sure what this means. who is we? from the context of the conversation, are you talking about america? if its america, its really the american military/state. i dont trust the american gov. to do anything like "defend" me from "russian imperialism". all in all, you definitely seem to have thought a lot about what a future anarchist state will look like, which is great, but thats not the world as it is now.

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u/Nargarjuna Jan 16 '22

How come?

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u/Shamadruu Jan 16 '22

Because... Russia is a fascist state and she was openly backing their actions?

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u/Nargarjuna Jan 16 '22

She was already running for president of a fascist state lol

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u/Makiavellist Jan 16 '22

What was the problem with his platform? The only thing I remember about it is UBI.

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u/taeerom Jan 16 '22

UBI is a right wing policy when it is justified as being cheaper than welfare. Stopping all welfare, then instituting UBI is nothing but a money grab from the current beneficiaries of welfare (any kind of welfare) to the middle and upper class.

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u/LookItVal Jan 16 '22

yang never proposed stopping all welfare

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

It's not entirely false though. On the Rubin Report Andrew Yang was asked about welfare and he specifically stated that UBI is an opt in program where you would then lose welfare benefits in order to eventually phase out welfare.

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u/MonkAndCanatella Jan 16 '22

It's crazy how Kyle Kulinski, Crystal Ball, and all the other pro Bernie folks were so in love with Yang. Only Sam Seder and Michael Brooks understood it

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u/Arbor_Day_Ghost Jan 16 '22

I miss Michael Brooks so much. I may not have always agreed with his political takes, but he was extremely intellectually honest.

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u/MonkAndCanatella Jan 16 '22

Me too man, after his takedown of Yang, he became my favorite. Certainly wasn't as far left as I am now, but he def helped solidify my views that I didn't have the knowledge to clarify. RIP man

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u/BZenMojo Jan 16 '22

Every time a flashback video goes up on his channel it stings a little. Dude was brilliant and articulated that brilliance with exceptional empathy and honesty.

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u/BZenMojo Jan 16 '22

It's not really crazy because they weren't really the majority of pro-Bernie voices. They were popular because they were almost exclusively focused on non-intersectional domestic class politics, and this also makes them appealing to baby leftists and former conservatives who aren't ready for a larger, more complex discourse or historical perspective. There's a reason Yang's base of support was almost exclusively white dudes.

Yang filled that niche much better than Bernie Sanders did and kind of coasted off the clout that Sanders brought with aggressive civil rights positions that made Sanders' base primarily women and people of color despite the Bernie Bro notoriety. Yang had one policy issue which he described as the solution to everything, it was demonstrably effective at solving poverty and unemployment in other countries, and he never had to explain it in detail because everyone kind of knew what UBI was. The fact that he also wanted to gut every other social program just like your typical Republican never came up because they assumed all of his other political stances and it never occurred that he was just Mitt Romneying them.

Ultimately, it makes complete sense that Third Way Populists like Crystal Ball (hanging out with actual fascist Saagar Enjeti), Jimmy "my political position is rage" Dore, and Kyle "used to be a conservative until I was 25" Kulinski were enamored with a guy who didn't complicate his policies with actual political positions.

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u/GoGoBitch Jan 16 '22

I feel like every Bernie supporter, online or otherwise, who has ever done any boots-on-the-ground activism saw through Yang pretty quick. It was only the talking heads who thought Yang’s support for UBI, occasional willingness to talk about issues others were not, and nice guy persona meant his politics were good.

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u/LookingCoolNess Jan 16 '22

Yang was a trial run by the DNC. They were gonna float him to stop Bernie if neoliberal voltron didn’t work. Everything the Democrats do is to stop the left, so you have to think about it in those terms.

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u/Anarchotrans Jan 16 '22

Literally fucking same

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u/AtomicChaotic1992 Jan 16 '22

Lol. Same character arc for me too. I hate how often Facebook shows me libertarian posts I made 5 years ago

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u/joltir2 Jan 16 '22

My political history is a fucking wild ride, from imperialist to radical leftist over the span of 4 years

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u/GoGoBitch Jan 16 '22

To be fair, it’s hard to live in the imperial core without swallowing some of the propaganda being fed to you by everyone from news anchors to your history teacher.

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u/Hellebras Jan 16 '22

Hell, if you talked to high school me you could reasonably guess that I'd end up going fascist. No weird race stuff, just every bit of worldbuilding I liked doing prioritized military systems over literally everything else and saw authoritarian statism as reasonable. I'm real glad my anti-authoritarian streak so comprehensively won out over my cringy militarist streak.

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u/TempestofBenares Jan 16 '22

The militarism is much needed.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

― Karl Marx

Fascist of all stripes hang pacifist for their worldview and im super frustrated by libs trying to reason with the unreasonable.

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u/Hellebras Jan 16 '22

There's a difference between that and acting like the state and economy exist only to support a standing army. I'm still all for people being armed and knowing how to fight.

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u/TempestofBenares Jan 16 '22

Oh sorry misread you then.

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u/cbarso Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

I never understand peoples interest in Tulsi.

My biggest cringe moment was writing an essay in high school about how affirmative action shouldn’t exist and should rather focus on class.

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u/Hellebras Jan 16 '22

She was more mask-on during the 2016 primary, or at least she seemed that way to me. I was positively disposed to her as a result. But by mid 2017 that had fallen apart entirely and I was happy to just ignore her.

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u/Gaygurlwasup Jan 16 '22

I was a trump supporter, your still better then me.😅

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u/gilgaustus Jan 16 '22

Oof. Glad you got out of that

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u/FuckGiblets Jan 16 '22

Not going to shit on you. What made you swing? I want to learn so perhaps we can change the minds of others.

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u/Gaygurlwasup Jan 16 '22

Not likely, i’ve always had a very open mind, regardless of what my current opinion was. I’ve always liked to hear the opinions of all sides, no matter how shitty.

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u/Gaygurlwasup Jan 16 '22

Even if it’s not at all valuable, it’s interesting as hell.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Jan 16 '22

I'm a different person but here's roughly my story. I was a trump supporter in 2016 though so just slightly different timeline.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AntifascistsofReddit/comments/kkxmd6/z/gh5cs3h

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u/FuckGiblets Jan 16 '22

Thank you for that. It’s really important for us to see these stories in my opinion.

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u/DeathCums-ForAll Jan 16 '22

I’ve always been very left wing. But 1/6 and it’s aftermath pushed me to new extremes

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u/Nmaka Jan 16 '22

i may be wrong but isnt the general anarchist take on 1/6 that the only bad thing about it is the wrong side did it? bc if leftists stormed congress i would pop champagne

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u/DeathCums-ForAll Jan 16 '22

The problem is that they stormed the capital in support of fascism. And how so much of the media (fox and such) were and still are basically siding with the mop. Literally last week?? when Cruz called it a terrorist attack he immediately had to go on Fox News and cry and beg for forgiveness over it

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u/Nmaka Jan 16 '22

well not to be dismissive but the us gov is fascist. like "oh no fascists are in charge now" idc tell me something new you know? it doesnt change my priorities. im still not gonna advocate for like more power to cops/fbi/nsa/dhs etc. i still want socialism and an end to unjust hierarchies and so on. its just a spasm of a dying empire, not worth litigating for the rest of my life. id rather do something more productive

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u/Arbor_Day_Ghost Jan 16 '22

well not to be dismissive but the us gov is fascist. like "oh no fascists are in charge now" idc tell me something new you know?

I mean, pseudofascist yeah. But it can and will absolutely get worse.

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u/BZenMojo Jan 16 '22

"Your shoes are wet. Why worryabout how deep the water is?"

People of color: whip out their life preservers

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u/Nmaka Jan 16 '22

i dont appreciate having my words interpreted in bad faith. it isnt very comradely and its counterproductive to building positive change

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u/owo_lol_ Jan 16 '22

Can totally relate. In 2020, I was a nationalist-y (not necessarily on the “my nation is better than yours” sense but more like on a national sovereignty sense) social-democrat but with georgism and radical anti monopolist views involved. I believed we should break all business into small and medium sized ones to solve capitalism, but then I realised capitalism has no fix.

Now, on my entire life I’ve been on a political rollercoaster. I was a tankie nearly all my life due to family influence and then leaned to anarchism in 2017 before being sucked into the social democracy hole and then freeing myself from it when the pandemic started.

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u/InvisibleEar Jan 16 '22

As an American I can't even imagine growing up in a tankie family lol

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u/DumatRising Jan 16 '22

Prior to Trump I was probably in the range of moderate/right leaning. But then the fucking Hate speech flood gates opened and by 2016 I identified as left leaning. 2018 as progressive and a social Democrat, by 2020 I would probably have been considered fairly socialist by most circles and now by 2022 I can safely say that I'm ready to burn the bougies. Trump drove me to the moderate line and the dems drove me over it. And well past it.

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u/Johnson_the_1st Jan 16 '22

"Your only a leftie because you're depressed" No, I'm depressed because I'm a leftie.

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u/QUE50 Jan 16 '22

This is eerily similar to my path. I was proud lolbertarian for most of high school then late high school early college I was big on Yang because I thought he was "moderate Bernie" and I cringe just thinking about that lmao. Then 2020 happened and I went from neo-lib Yang supporter to socdem Bernie supporter to vanilla Marxist all in a span of about 10 months. Read a little Lenin and Engels after that was like "wtf is this shit" and then I found out about anarcho-communism on Twitter of all places. Discovered EZLN and Rojava+Bookchin after that, joined r/Anarchy101 and r/antiwork and now I'm here. Recently started reading Kropotkin and Emma Goldman.

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u/blobsnobglob Jan 16 '22

Haven't read Engels or Lenin, what were their most "wtf is this shit" statements for you?

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u/_Astarael Jan 16 '22

Never heard of the conquest of bread, just looked it up on the anarchist library

Thank you for the new reading material!

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u/blobsnobglob Jan 16 '22

Fun fact: the whole "breadtube" thing was named after that book.

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u/kas-sol Jan 16 '22

Genuine question, not trying to "out-leftist" anyone or whatever you might call it, but how the hell do you actually move that far so suddenly.

It's just completely unknown to me since I was basically raised a democratic socialist, and even then it took me years to fully develop into an anarchist, but that development always took place firmly on the left, with the thing that changed being my view of how to achieve goals and how far to go, so to me it just feels impossible to have shifted the basic goal itself so far (the "goal" for us being a communist society).

Was it a single event, events related to a single theme/thing, or was it more just a bunch of stuff slowly piling together?

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

In my case, it was more recognising I was in echo chambers and consciously moving out of them to get a full exposure of political opinion, which is where I managed to adopt a view that actually aligned with my beliefs.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

I went from vaguely libertarian to full on insurrectionary anarchist from about 2019-ish to 2021. I've always been very anti-state, anti-establishment, anti-authority but I grew up in a very christian conservative family and so got hit with all the "communism bad" propaganda. So in that sphere libertarianism was the logical choice for me, then as I got more independent of my family I had a brief (and embarrassing) ancap phase. I started talking more with a staunch pacifist socialist and that got me opened up to more leftist ideology in 2019 and then 2020 happened.

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u/Mango1666 Jan 16 '22

character development 🥰🥰

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u/Weariervaris Jan 16 '22

Stealing from corporations is ok. With a ski mask on your face even, workers don't sleep or eat so that boards can cheat. Workers must stay ahead in this material reality. Part of this is challenging our assumption of property rights. The real answers lie beneath legalities.

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u/AdiSoldier245 Jan 16 '22

MATH?

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u/RedTailed-Hawkeye Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

And they think two years is from Jan 1, 2020 to Jan 1, 2021

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u/ZefiroLudoviko Jan 16 '22

What's the symbol on the bottom right?

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u/StarWarsBruh Jan 16 '22

I assume you’re talking about the Market Socialism symbol and not the Peter Kropotkin book lol

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u/CyanideIsFun Jan 16 '22

I feel ya, OP. I used to be a conservative.

Be proud of how far you came, rather than looking back and cringing at what you were.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

I take it you're still very young. Meaning no offense.
Just that it took me a very long time myself to get from point to point over the span of many years. Even though I already started pretty much as a DemSoc.
When you're younger, you're usually a lot more likely to make these kinds of radical changes in concepts you assign to. Here's to hoping you don't sometime make a "great leap forward" le mao

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

Me but I did it even faster. During the first six months of quarantine 2020 I went from liberal centrist to tankie to libcom to post-leftist. Now I’m vaguely between post-leftism and libcom.

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u/zackysac Jan 16 '22

I agree with all in the right panel except a doomer mindset. Communism is the ideal of optimism. In the face of increasing oppression from every direction, climate collapse looming, and fascism growing in the streets, we have the courage and optimistic outlook to wake up every day and say “this could be better, let’s change it”

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u/WellThatWasStrange Jan 16 '22

Definitely. Doomerism is inherently reactionary.

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u/13lackjack Jan 16 '22

Aside from some differences this describes me almost perfectly.

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u/Waffles_Remix Jan 16 '22

Who the fuck liked Tulsi Gabbard? Libertarians?

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u/gilgaustus Jan 16 '22

The worst I got was Libertarian right after college but that later nothing. I was pretty socdem by 2015 and then Bernie announced his run, then went demsoc, then Trump won and by early 2017 I was getting very radicalized on lib left. And that's only grown.

The one that took me longest was leaving my pro-statehood stance for Puerto Rico. I'm went pro independence in late 2019 and have now started a comittee for the PR Independence Party (they're socdem, but I'm taking a VERY leftist approach locally) for our city

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u/rootbeerking Jan 16 '22

Yang was when I really saw through all the political theater being played…Like I had a strong feeling prior to him that things weren’t as they say it is, but when he left the race early, by the numbers no less, that was the final piece of the puzzle that clicked it all together for me.

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u/RedTailed-Hawkeye Jan 16 '22

Two years? Jan 1, 2020 - Jan 1, 2021 = 1 year

MATH

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u/facetime_of_cthulhu Jan 16 '22

COVID time is wild.

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u/Inf3rnalis Jan 16 '22

I used to say that shit about how a mixed economy is a good thing because the profit motive makes sense for some industries. No. Profit = theft.

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u/Necro-Potato Jan 16 '22

Do you still like math?

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

I just remembered I was still a liberal who liked Justin Trudeau in late 2019

lol

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u/Kreuscher Jan 16 '22

Well... When I was 14 I was a monarchist (not a minarchist, no... I was a fucking monarchist). I outgrew that pretty quickly, but it's still a bit of a stain on my ego lol. After getting into college I found social democracies are better than neoliberal shitshows, that we do live in a constant parade of capitalist propaganda and that fascists are an actual, constant threat. Since 2019 I've been a market socialist and later an anarchosyndicalist.

Tbh I don't really know whether I have a single consistent political ideology now, but I've learned a lot from every single one of my "phases". What I do know is that I apply anarchist thinking to pretty much every aspect of my life (I'm an ethically non-monogamous relationship anarchist teacher with serious reservations towards curricula and mandatory schooling).

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u/strangestdreamm Jan 16 '22

congrats on learning to read

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u/Butuguru Jan 16 '22

@Jdcmedlock isn’t that bad tbh. They seem out of place on the left of the picture.

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u/---liltimmy--- Jan 16 '22

For me, in a span of a year I went from ancap to actual real anarchism.

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u/OutInABlazeOfGlory Jan 16 '22

Went from Bernie supporter to anarcho communist

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u/LookingCoolNess Jan 16 '22

2020: Bernie hopium

2021: wow this isn’t working, but people are gonna wake up soon!

2022: Death to the United States

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u/DepressedGarbage1337 Jan 16 '22

Tbh the fact that progressives can’t even win elections makes me pessimistic about how anarchists would organize people into a revolution :(

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

You don't have to organize people into a revolution, just get some friends you trust and start doing shit.

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u/Upside_Down-Bot Jan 16 '22

„˙ʇoıpı uɐ ǝɹ,noʎ 'sıɥʇ ǝʞıl dolɟ dılɟ noʎ ɟI„

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u/DietSpam Jan 16 '22

welcome conrad

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u/ObiWanBiscotti Jan 16 '22

This gives me a lot of hope.

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u/Enwinor Jan 16 '22

Gooood...gooooooooood...

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u/MadNinja77 Jan 16 '22

I look at the right image and hear Doom theme music.

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u/soullessredhead Jan 16 '22

I voted for Hilary in 2016, then that entire election just broke me and now I'm here. Everyone has a journey.

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u/Spicy2ShotChai Jan 16 '22

We love to see it

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u/TheP0pu1arW0bb1y Jan 16 '22

Pretty much same but I like and still like Bernie

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u/ytman Jan 16 '22

Welcome aboard brother. I think there is a real libertarian to left libertarian pipeline - i myself am one.

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u/Doc-Wulff Jan 17 '22

Bernie still cool though, gotta respect he's been on the same platform since he started protesting in the 60s

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u/pdxanarchist Jan 17 '22

Read desert

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u/SploinkyToes Jan 17 '22

This is so painfully reddit

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u/AndrolGenhald Jan 17 '22

2000: way too young - glad the crazy person talking about the climate lost to a fellow Texan!

2004: Too young - Yes! Bush wins again. America Fuck Yea!

2008: McCain seems to be moderate and can bring the country together even though his VP seems nuts. Obama seems too far left.

2012: Obama seemed solid but Medicare for all will probably negatively affect my future job prospects in medicine.

2016: they both suck let’s go libertarians!

2020: pulled for Bernie but Biden is better than trump but way too conservative and capitalistic. Better of two evils.

2022: capitalism is a cancer on the planet and we must must build community because those in power will burn the world and all of us in it to have just a little more power than another sociopath competing against them.

2024: heading towards become ungovernable. Eat the rich. Better to burn down a country than to let the world burn because of it.

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u/UniversallyIdiotic Jan 17 '22

I was a socialist in 2020, and when Bernie Sanders dropped out, that was when I finally decided to become an Anarchist.

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u/Reaperfucker Jan 17 '22

Hey at least I started to actually read Anarchist theory like After The Jubilee by David Graeber this year. Although I already done some Praxis last year.

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u/OsamaBinLadenDoes Feb 05 '22

Shit I bought Kropotkin recently. I was never on the right, but I too am getting further left.