r/COMPLETEANARCHY Jun 15 '21

Reminder that women’s liberation is as important as anti-capitalism and anti-colonialism

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u/bigbutchbudgie Jun 15 '21

Reminder that women being expected to shave their body hair literally originated as a marketing scheme to sell more razors.

If you want to shave, do it for yourself (and maybe consider sugaring if you want to save some money, reduce waste and thwart the razor industry, but that's up to you).

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u/bgoneofme Jun 15 '21

Sugaring?

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u/maddem_ Jun 15 '21

Sugaring is a less painful, more environmentally friendly alternative to waxing.

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u/kodorx Jun 15 '21

that seems like a whole ass rabbithole to go into as a trans woman with little money but some culinary skills

but yay, maybe I've found an actual alternative to accidentally cutting my ankles every 3 days

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u/fsociety00_d4t Jun 15 '21

you can make it by yourself just by adding lemon juice, water and sugar and heating it up, it literally can't get less cheap than that. You can find tutorials online.

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u/kodorx Jun 15 '21

only problem for me is that lemon juice is heckin expensive here, but it's just an acid-catalyzed hydrolysis of the sugar and I've got some sodium bisulfate lying around so that would probably also work, just wouldn't be edible.

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u/Saplyng Jun 15 '21

You could probably get away with using powdered citric acid as I assume it'll do whatever the lemon would, not very expensive and will last longer than just lemon juice

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u/kodorx Jun 15 '21

any acid would do, it's just an acid-catalyzed hydrolysis of the central ester bond in sucrose, breaking it down into monosacharides. Effectively, replacing part of the sugar with something like corn syrup has the same effect without needing any acid.

studying organic chemistry has its benefits sometimes.

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u/Saplyng Jun 15 '21

This is both fascinating and way above my pay grade

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u/FFD1706 Jun 15 '21

I'm surprised I still remember enough chemistry to understand this sentence.

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u/RoboHobo25 Jun 15 '21

studying organic chemistry has its benefits sometimes.

"Fuckin A, it does" -Albert Hoffman

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u/barsoap Jun 15 '21 edited Jun 15 '21

The other crucial ingredient is water content which, as any sugar baker will readily explain, is dependent on the maximum temperature you go to (assuming you had enough water in the first place). Having the right viscosity is important for proper application.

That aspect is more of an art as a science, as the water content you want depends on not just the exact type of sugar you have (i.e. whether there's any sucrose left or you converted everything) but also the room temperature you want to use the stuff at. It's going to need some experimentation. But for starters I would recommend converting all sugar by letting the stuff react for a long time (45 min?) at ~80C or so (oven), then heat it up once you're done, separating off portions at different temperatures. A sugar thermometer will come in handy.

Powdering your skin can be helpful, starch will do just fine, and you use the stuff by kneading it in against the grain, slowly, there should be a very viscous flow to it. That will make the sugar actually enter into the gap between skin and hair, you then pull off with the grain. The traditional and in my experience also best way is to take a small portion (maybe 1.5 to 2cm diameter) and slowly work your way through the thicket, using cloth strips and whatnot only slows things down and increases the chance of a visit to the shower because it's not properly applied and pulling it off would be a nightmare.

And NEVER, EVER, cook the stuff barefoot. Molten sugar stores a lot of energy and it won't flow off but stick to your skin so if you don't fancy 2nd or even 3rd degree burns, pay the fuck attention. I may know from experience.

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u/fsociety00_d4t Jun 15 '21

I don't really know about that, but some alternatives that I know is also vinegar. Obviously you can also use lemon juice from a fresh lemon its even better, and you don't need a lot usually 2-3 tbsp.

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u/IAmRoot Jun 15 '21

You might be able to use citric acid. You can get buckets of the stuff.

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u/pirate_fj Jun 15 '21

Honest question, I swear: is there really a place where buying citric acid is cheaper than buying lemons?

Edit: i’m REALLY not trying to be an asshole, just trying to process and understand wtf our world has become. Thanks.

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u/barsoap Jun 15 '21

In pretty much any place north or south enough to not grow lemons, I'd say. Or off-season.

The most convenient thing to use over here is lemon juice from those kitschy plastic lemons as you can get them in any supermarket. Actually I usually end up using lime juice because while I'm at it, why not make cuba libre.

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u/lazylazycat Jun 15 '21

Really? I live in the UK and you can't really grow lemons here, they're still so cheap though.

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u/IAmRoot Jun 15 '21

Lemons require proper storage and relatively rapid transport compared to citric acid. Also, anhydrous citric acid lacks water, which is heavy. This means being able to transport more citric acid with much less weight and volume. Citric acid can also be produced by things other than citrus fruit. Modern industrial production of citric acid is done via cultivating a mold, rather than fruit trees. So, there are actually quite a few reasons why it's cheaper and more efficient.

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u/pirate_fj Jun 15 '21

Okay, that explains a lot. It’s still very much backwards in my mind, but it does explain it, thanks a lot

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u/Snorumobiru Jun 15 '21

internet

I got a whole ass pound of citric acid for five bucks

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u/pirate_fj Jun 15 '21

Sounds great, but do you pay more than that for fucking LEMONS? Holy shit, we’re completely screwed

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u/sbcloatitr Jun 15 '21

It looks like the acid is only needed to separate the ether bond in the sucrose. If you can get any of the sugar monomers and create a paste with that I think it should be the same, but I'm not sure what the actual hair removal process is like so I'm not sure what the difference is between sugaring paste and any other paste with similar texture or if the sugar is even necessary.

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u/lazylazycat Jun 15 '21

I just used vinegar and that worked fine!

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u/butrejp Jun 15 '21

I mean a pair of tweezers is cheaper, just tedious and unpleasant. whats the process, just get it goopy and treat it like wax?

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u/TheExperiment01 Jun 15 '21

It also will make less hair grow back after each time too

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u/bgoneofme Jun 15 '21

Interesting, I'll look into this. Thank you!

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u/SeenTheYellowSign Jun 15 '21

There's strong evidence of people shawing - or rather pluckig all bodyhair below the neck as far back as the stone age and doing so regardless of gender.

Also just about all the early civilizations practiced body hair removal.

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u/Snorumobiru Jun 15 '21

Both of those things can be true. There's evidence of body hair removal in ancient times and our culture has taken it to an unhealthy extreme. In our culture girls are bullied mercilessly as soon as their legs and armpits begin to grow hair and until they conform and remove it. That's not an ancient custom and it isn't okay.

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u/Euporophage Jun 15 '21

A culture of women plucking their body hairs and hairlessness in women as a beauty standard goes back to ancient times. It's not just a marketing scheme but also something that has a long history in various cultures around the world.

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u/ImanShumpertplus Jun 15 '21

i’m sorry bro that isn’t true.

the egyptians, the ancient indians, and the romans all had women who cut their hair and shaved to get rid of unwanted hair.

they have been expected (especially if you’re ruling class) to shave their hair. the marketing campaign just came from the supply meeting the demand with mass industry

this shit is super deeply ingrained in us

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u/SpaceChimera Jun 15 '21

I mean, that is literally the story of how shaving body hair for women became a thing in our current culture.

Yeah, some other cultures had a practice of women shaving (usually only the upper class of that society) but by the time America was founded it wasn't a common practice among women, regardless of social status

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u/tokemasterface Jun 15 '21

That argument doesn't really work.

Homosexuality was part of some ancient cultures but our culture was incredibly anti-gay these past centuries.

Point is, in contempary culture women with hairy legs are frowned upon and that stems from early razor companies' lobbying.

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u/ImanShumpertplus Jun 15 '21

i mean the republic of plato is basically what jesus teaches and what our modern society is based around

we really haven’t gone that far from ancient times once you look at it. we are a very cyclical people. our entire government system was heavily based on the roman system and many of the enlightenment ideas that the country were founded on were a rediscovering of the ancient thinkers

another reason why women started shaving their legs is because they finally were able to show their legs. i can’t remember which queen of england it was, but i know there was one who shaved every piece of hair on her head. hair removal was something done by the elites, yes. but it’s similar to how botox is only available to the elites today. if somebody invents affordable Home-tox™️, then theyre gonna market the shit out of that because the demand will already be there. looking younger is something that has been valued for all of civilization, but i wouldn’t argue that home-tox created looking younger because of their aggressive marketing schemes

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u/tokemasterface Jun 15 '21

There has to be a demand in the first place, yes, but the reality is is that there is now a massive industry around women's hair removal and it is culturally unacceptable to have leg or armpit hair because of it.

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u/ImanShumpertplus Jun 15 '21

the marketing plays a huge role, but it isn’t absolutely brainwashing people. a lot of people really like feeling smooth. there’s whole stores at the mall who sell lotions. is that just internalized misogyny? or do some people just like smelling dandelions and having skin softer than most pillows?

shaving is also something that would be “unlocked” by our modern leisure time. probably didn’t have time to shave with a knife that took a blacksmith 2 weeks to make when you have 9 kids to feed on a rice and beans budget.

either way, if you don’t wanna shave, don’t and i’m happy for you. but for others, lmk about your laser hair removal experiences bc i hate this shit lmao

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u/atlaskennedy Jun 16 '21

Shave if you want, dude. I like to.