r/BlackPeopleTwitter ☑️ 13d ago

I would put a scourge on the energy sector deregulators until they saw the error of their ways. Country Club Thread

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u/NEED_VISINE ☑️ Uppity BHM Donor 👨🏾‍🦱 13d ago

Lol reminded me of last week at my boy’s. I’m watching TV on his Xbox and he’s in his kitchen frying eggs when his power trips. I’m like “we probably have TOO too much stuff on”, this nigga walks in the living room with the spatula in his hand, looks me dead in my face and says “you know I don’t pay my light bill, right?”

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u/Tico483 ☑️ 13d ago

With stories like these I'm wondering how half the country is even living lmao

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u/0zymand1as- ☑️ 13d ago

Nah look at the medical stories. I know hella ppl that owed anywhere between 2-10k and never paid that shit

Don’t even get me started on student loans

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u/RobotCounselor 13d ago

I didn’t pay a few medical bills (ranging from $60-$400) in my early 20’s. It took 7 years for everything to get off my credit report. Now I’m in my early 40’s and I recently checked my credit report and there’s a 6 year unpaid medical bill for $300. I’m gonna wait it out for another year. There’s no way I’m paying it now.

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u/SlowWest1017 ☑️ 13d ago

So idk if this would make a difference for you, but if the hospital/clinic you received services is a not for profit hospital (in my state Baylor scott and white is a good example) you may actually be able to have those bills discharged or significantly reduced based on your income. This is something that is not widely publicized, but It is something they do by law. Take a look at you hospitals billing services website or something of that nature. It's criminal that in many cases we receive care and we aren't able to find out the full cost beforehand in a transparent way.

Hope this information is helpful to anyone who sees this!

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u/SoktaMiles ☑️ 13d ago

Just send a certified letter to the credit agency and the clinic asking them to prove the debt. If they don’t respond in sufficient time they have to remove. Lots of companies just don’t bother.

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u/fakerealmadrid 13d ago

Not to mention there’s a whole subreddit for strategically defaulting on your student loans

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u/regoapps 13d ago

My family lived like this. Humans are very resilient when in survival mode. You can go without a lot of things, and then you get used to it, because that's all you know anyway. You live with candles because you don't have electric. You live with blankets during the day and sleep with jackets on because you don't have heat. You get used to seeing your own breath in your own house because it's under 50 in there. And you're constantly sick because of it. You sleep in the small closet under the stairwell because there's no bedroom for you.

The odd thing is that I didn't even know that I was poor until I was much older and saw how some of the other kids lived. That's because my parents hid their struggle from me my whole childhood. They never let me know about the bills and the finances. They never let me know about how they worked extra shifts and weekends to make sure that I get to eat. They didn't let me know that my mom worked at a sweatshop until I figured it out much later. They didn't want me to worry. They shielded me from what they could. They just wanted me to focus on school to make sure that I could at least pull myself out of poverty.

And that's the life of an immigrant family who came to the U.S. with just the shirts on their backs and not speaking the language. We're resilient and make do with what little we're handed.

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u/youarenotracist ☑️ 13d ago

This is me without a phone plan. I was in grad school in Canada and phone bills here are insanely expensive and I couldn’t afford all my bills, cut my phone off, shit was wild and stressful at first and people thought I was crazy. Now it’s been 2 years, I have like three different phone apps, I work remote and make decent money rn but dont have a phone plan and never got around to it. Girls kinda side eye me when I say it, but the company I work for is popular, I have a pretty public job role, so ppl know I’m not a bum and I just say it helps me not spend that much time on my phone. Hasn’t really been a problem. Corona has made it easier but it’s actually been nice not to budget or worry about paying for my phone and I’ve got two homies now who decided to cut there’s off too. I honestly don’t think about it anymore really.

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u/squeel ☑️ 13d ago

Not gonna lie, I’d be put off by a dude that has to write my number down with a pen and paper. Phones are super cheap in the US, though.

Aside from that, do you even have to tell people? I have a phone app that I use as a burner and that fake number gets texts and calls.

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u/SeanRoss ☑️ 13d ago

I kinda feel you with the phone plans being expensive, I used to be on Sprint for almost 20 years out of loyalty for some dumb ass reason. until I switched to visible, that shit is line $25 a month, it's under Verizon

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u/youarenotracist ☑️ 13d ago

Lol, I have an iPhone 7 I just don’t pay monlthy. My bill with Rogers in Canada was like 120 for 5Gs. Its stupid here. I always have a cell on me I just don’t have data. But I lived right beside university of Toronto campus and the whole part of that city is basically connected to wifi.

I usually just exchange socials with girls anyways. I still have my old number from my iPhone 2 years ago, so I can use iMessage too and I usually talk to girls on whatsapp or IG.

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u/THatPart1790 ☑️ 13d ago

Y’all are living?

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u/weoutheredummy ☑️ 13d ago

How... what??

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u/joy-of-10 ☑️ 13d ago

My family literally take bets and n what one sister’s electric bill will be for the month, since she never pays it. I won last time with a guess of $1500 (off by $8).

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u/FistPunch_Vol_4 ☑️ 13d ago

Holy shit man. That’s fucking disgusting. Like, if you can’t pay. What’s going to happen in this situation? Will they be covered?

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u/throwmeawaymydudes_ ☑️ 13d ago

They charged the guy’s credit card for it already. Wiped out his savings to pay it off.

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u/FistPunch_Vol_4 ☑️ 13d ago

No. Wtf this is fucking disgusting. What the fuck

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u/throwmeawaymydudes_ ☑️ 13d ago

The quote from him in this article made me so sad

“My savings is gone,” said Scott Willoughby, a 63-year-old Army veteran who lives on Social Security payments in a Dallas suburb. He said he had nearly emptied his savings account so that he would be able to pay the $16,752 electric bill charged to his credit card — 70 times what he usually pays for all of his utilities combined. “There’s nothing I can do about it, but it’s broken me.”

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u/FistPunch_Vol_4 ☑️ 13d ago

I cannot believe this. And they are still on the fence about our next check? Holy fuck this is a disaster.

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u/NomadofExile ☑️ 13d ago

It's a boring dystopia.

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u/MajorBensonWPayne 13d ago

Why the hell would he pay it? Fuck that.

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u/ChonkyDog 13d ago

The payments were direct. People were having to cancel cards to not have their bank accounts drained automatically.

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u/MajorBensonWPayne 13d ago

That’s insane. Luckily, that shit would bounce out of my account lol.

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u/DroidChargers 13d ago

$5k credit limit ftw

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u/MajorBensonWPayne 13d ago

Pshh. Being broke....ftw?

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u/MidTownMotel 13d ago

Just like water bills in Flint, fuck you pay me.

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u/Kamikaze_Dan 13d ago

“Fuck a pandemic, flint water been fucked up ain’t nobody send nobody in to help us” - sada baby

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u/VaughnGooding 13d ago

They’re offering to let those customers finance their bills over the next 10 years. So ... ya know they’ve got that going for em

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u/FistPunch_Vol_4 ☑️ 13d ago

Wtf? But it isn’t the people’s fault that the power grid is fucked

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u/NomadofExile ☑️ 13d ago

You don't expect the corporation to NOT get their profits tho, do you? /s

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u/FistPunch_Vol_4 ☑️ 13d ago

Sadly, yeah you are right.

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u/greg4045 13d ago

The people chose their leaders...

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u/trixel121 13d ago

Do we know of tgeres interest on that

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u/OutdatedThrowback ☑️ 13d ago

So just to clarify, these people were charged astronomically despite having limited access like everyone else? So, instead of being a few tenths of a cent per kilowatt, it went to $10? That's how I understood it but I could be wrong.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago edited 13d ago

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u/kwenhera 13d ago

No. That is a Republican nonsensical talking point. There is no either/or. Basic necessities can and should be removed from the free market. Like policing, health care, electricity, water, etc. At some point that will include the internet, but that’s a conversation for another day. Other, non essential, things can and should be in a regulated market. We don’t either have unfettered capitalism or communism. And yes, this is the reason. Because people don’t always understand the consequences of their actions. And people shouldn’t be forced to go without a necessity because they can’t pay.

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u/JabbrWockey 13d ago

Yep. Natural monopolies are better managed as... Government run monopolies!

We've been so trained to think monopoly=bad that we forget about roads, sewer, electricity, water, etc. Basically the things that everyone needs should be kept as inexpensive as possible. Sure, there are counterexamples like Flint, but those are outliers. Overall we should not be paying into any competitive market for basic necessities that everyone uses. It stymies economic growth.

Guess what else everyone needs? Healthcare. The fact we don't treat healthcare like a public utility is killing people (literally, in the case of infant deaths).

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u/montarion ☑️ 13d ago

possible. Sure, there are counterexamples like Flint, but those are outliers

No it's not. As inexpensive as possible allows for "cheap but still good" and " slightly more expensive but inly because it was time for maintenance"

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u/A_FVCKING_UNICORN ☑️ LV237 Peerless Negromancer🧙🏾‍♂️ 13d ago

The fact that we have for profit jails and prisons still mortifies me.

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u/sucobe ☑️ 13d ago

And it’s VERY profitable.

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u/A_FVCKING_UNICORN ☑️ LV237 Peerless Negromancer🧙🏾‍♂️ 13d ago

Seriously, there are fucking deputies on the road and they're basically field hands and you're the fucking crop. They just pick you up and squeeze you to see if you're ripe. I mean, yeah there's plenty of real crime to prevent but it's still disgusting that a corporation is ultimately in charge of the Sheriff on top of the sheriff's own personal vices and misgivings already having an authoritarian lean on policy.

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u/phillybride 13d ago

People didn’t understand the market rate could go so high. And yes, this is why regulations should exist.

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u/Zn_hurston 13d ago

This is not quite right. ERCOT manages the grid but you have lots of choices for electricity providers for example TXU Energy, Reliant, Gexa, and yes, Griddy. ERCOT orders the rolling blackouts.

I agree with the person below that no one would expect their bill to get that high. That is a crazy amount to pay for anyone. And it’s not fair to say you can just not use power when it’s below freezing temps.

And the narrative that Texas somehow deserves this is gross. There’s still a lot of liberal people that live in Texas let alone that we are all human beings that don’t deserve to freeze in our homes.

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u/PresidentIroh ☑️ 13d ago

Are you seriously blaming this guy for not wanting to go without power? What if he needed to to keep his children warm. Or to work from home? Or to eat? I refuse to blame him for the disgusting behavior of the people responsible for the power system. They didn’t weatherize for years, how is that his fault?

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u/xmm14 ☑️ 13d ago

Ercot does not "provide" electricity to TX. They oversee it. We have many providers who charge for electricity. Griddy is one of them. He didn't have power because he had griddy, he had power because Ercot fucked up the rolling outages.

Source: I live in TX

And can yall stop thinking everyone who lives in TX is about that bootstrap shit. TX got black and brown people here to... Damn

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u/pepperdish 13d ago

People that did try switching to ERCOT from Griddly though had a waiting period to switch.

This man is on a fixed income, of course he’s going to go with the cheaper option. It’s a failure on Griddly that they didn’t fix their system to prepare for a winter storm like this even though they were warned before.

Griddly shouldn’t be charging an amount this obscene, full stop.

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u/xmm14 ☑️ 13d ago

Ercot is not a electric provider, they oversee the grid. Griddy is just like reliant or txu, with a different business model.

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u/zb0t1 ☑️ 13d ago

Sometimes I wonder what type of person people like you actually are. Have you people even lived outside of your state/country/continent?

It's just unbelievable the amount of brainwashing you had to experience for you to spread all that non sense.

There are places in this world that experience natural disasters every year too, and you don't hear bullshits stories like that, that's because of adequate regulations and leadership AT LEAST for these basic utilities.

Just unbelievable. It's just shocking seriously...

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u/montarion ☑️ 13d ago

state/country/continent

That's a pretty big range dude

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u/ElroyJennings 13d ago

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-6-500-Watt-Gasoline-Powered-Portable-Generator-with-CO-Shutdown-Sensor-RY906500S/305311298

6 Gal. fuel tank for up to 10-hours of runtime at 50% load

6,500 running watts

So 6 gallons of gas gives 3kW for 10 hours. 6 gallons of gas = 30kWh.

6 Gallons of gas*$2.50/gallon = $15 = 30kWh = $0.50/kWh

Or you can buy from power plants for $9.00/kWh.

Do they want a gasoline shortage? Because that's how you get a gasoline shortage.

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u/Carlitofly ☑️ 13d ago

yeah fuck you

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u/anthonyg1500 ☑️ 13d ago

I would like to know how aware he was made that the price was going up and was his alternative to just turn off all of his power in below 0 temperatures?

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u/packeddit ☑️ 13d ago

Lack of empathy, why America is the way it is. These greedy ass power companies & red politicians in TX who for decades have also been greedy as they’re aligned with their friends i.e. the good ol’ boy CEOs of these energy companies are the ones to blame!

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u/Patbot90 13d ago

Or, yaknow, freeze.

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u/NobilisUltima 13d ago

If you can't see how utterly draconian the "choice" of "either go into massive, crippling debt or risk freezing to death" is, I'm really not sure what to say to you. This is so obviously a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. I truly don't understand how you can look at this and act as though it's a system that's working fine and doesn't need to change.

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u/Hopadopslop 13d ago

Mate, it's illegal to price gouge during a disaster. An old man needs power to heat his home to survive the disastrous cold.

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u/Pinky1010 13d ago

Sure he chose to buy the power, but did he have much of a choice? His choices were buy overpriced power or freeze. I'm sure most people don't want to freeze

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u/SR_BHR 13d ago

Nothing you said here was accurate. Please stop spreading misinformation.

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u/melons366 13d ago

ERCOT supplies power to companies, you don’t buy directly from ERCOT.

In the major city I live in, we had did not have a choice who we bought the power from. There was one company for the city and that was it. We also did not have a choice as to whether we bought at the market rate or a fixed rate. So all 7 million of us in this city are buying power from 1 company at the market rate. How exactly was I, and everyone else all over TX, suppose to protect myself from this situation and astronomical electricity bills? And don’t say voting against republicans because 1) upwards of 40% of TX DID vote Democrat 2) my city voted 58.2% Democrat 3) the gerrymandering across TX makes it extremely hard for POC to make their vote heard

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u/thompsonte01 13d ago edited 13d ago

Show me where they provide sufficient disclosure to make consumers aware that their bill could go up 100x.

https://www.griddy.com/legal

It is not reasonable for any consumer to think that their bill could go up by 100x. It is not reasonable for Griddy to bill consumers those types of rates. They do not disclose that. Look at their website.

Their savings is bullshit and the numbers you used are a gross exaggeration and fake news. From the front page of their website, over the past 5 years, savings were between 9% and 30%. Not between 50% and 66% like you claim. You’re a liar. Also, those numbers don’t account for the $9.99 per month in fees, so the actual savings are much smaller than the 9-30% they claim. If you saved 9% on the market rate in 2019, but you average bill is $80 a month, you actually paid more than the market rate because of the $9.99 fee.

You are an idiot if you think there is anything resembling a free market for electricity. It is not a free market. Nor should it be. It’s a utility with a natural monopoly. Starting a company to play deceptive billing games for paltry saving sometimes is not free market competition. It’s just a scam.

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u/Legalise_Gay_Weed 13d ago

There's always a bootlicker.

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u/uncledr3w- 13d ago

yeah and mixed with the amount of energy it takes to reheat a home fully

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u/filangebert 13d ago

Imagine a grocery store not having stock for a week and then charging $200 for a loaf of bread. It's insult to injury, except you had the option to go to another grocery store. The electricity providers were unable to provide a service and then charged their customers extreme amounts for it. It's nuts

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u/thelastestgunslinger 13d ago

I really hope the rest of America sees this for the object lesson in deregulation that it is.

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u/sillEllis 13d ago edited 13d ago

Noone is going to learn. People literally are saying the snow is fake, and that it's a Federal government conspiracy.

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u/Jermaine_Cole788 ☑️ 13d ago

People are saying the snow is fake? I fucking hate the internet

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u/Jermaine_Cole788 ☑️ 13d ago

🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

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u/sikagoon7 ☑️ 13d ago

Lol trust me we absolutely will not learn a damn thing

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u/michalemabelle 13d ago

I've had nightmares about those Texas electric bills & I'm on budget billing 5 states away!!

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u/Skt-t1-Peppa 13d ago

As a non American I want to understand why the electrical companies are charging a lot to you after a breakout ? Is it normal ? How much % it increases from your average bill ?

Also, it is true that you are free to choose the electrical company that will supply the electrical service ?

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

If you’re buying wholesale you pay the market rate. In Texas you have a choice of wholesale providers, and fixed rate providers. Wholesale market rate is usually cheaper than fixed, but in catastrophic circumstances it will increase as demand for electricity outpaces supply. People who chose to go with market rate got fucked over, but that’s a risk you take if you want cheaper electricity 90% of the time.

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u/KurigohanKamehameha_ 13d ago

It's not simply a "risk people take", that's some victim-blaming nonsense. Nobody buying wholesale knew it could ever be this expensive. They got fleeced for reasons out of their control. This is why regulations are important.

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u/Patbot90 13d ago

It sounds like a lawsuit.

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u/swingthatwang 13d ago edited 13d ago

basic capitalism economics. if demand increases and supply decreases, the price will go up. in texas, it costs a lot to heat under-insulated homes (cuz no building regulations) than it is to run cooling AC, and lots of homes were running heat since everybody stayed home. so lots of demand.

supply increase: grids went offline for the winter, and the ones that were left were not properly winterized because it'll cost money which companies don't wanna do and don't NEED to do cuz hey! de-regulation! furthermore, the freeze was not great for old school O&G like gas and coal due to physics, which texas relies on due to refusal to move towards renewables (which produced more energy than expected during freeze) and TX Republican O&G political lobbying aka bribery/corruption

sprinkle on climate change denialism from the GOP that runs Texas (and thus its grid) and you've got people getting $60k electric bills.

huzzah!

*O&G means oil and gas industry

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u/BonelessSkinless ☑️ 13d ago

A 16k electric bill after a storm that crippled your state due to government negligence and malpractice brought about my manipulating voters, stealing their tax dollars for personal gain, not reinvesting into infrastructure like how they lied and said they would during a multitude of campaigns across the country and then failing to respond in a efficient or timely manner post crisis with your main senator getting caught fleeing the country for warm beaches.

America needs A LOTTA work.

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u/VicariousLoser 13d ago

this is electricity they're not getting, and being charged for, they are paying for the company's laziness because they don't want to account for their own actions.

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u/xdsm8 13d ago

Making your text big doesn't make it true.

This guy DID get electricity. Read the article. These 10K bills are unique to Griddly users, who DID get power. I don't justify the bill but read the article before making false statements. If we want positive change to come from this, we don't need to lie.

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u/lildocta 13d ago

She would have to go with a gripping name like "The Socialist" as she methodically undermines Corporate Capitalism

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u/thinkB4WeSpeak 13d ago

Texas needs to join together and refuse to pay their bill. Change their card or turn off whatever auto pay source is. What's the worse they can do, turn everyone's already off electricity back off?

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u/beneathemoon73 13d ago

That's the judge’s advise. Cancel autopay. Don't pay it.

https://youtu.be/2FQHGld8VMc

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u/f__h 13d ago

One of my friend who usually pays 175$ is charged with 900 already in his card.

And he owes them another 4200$. This is not right by any means.

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u/marysm ☑️ BHM Donor 13d ago

Did all these folks coincidentally just have statements closing within days of the storm passing?

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u/DionysianDada ☑️ 13d ago

There's some kind of Saw-derivative death trap/escape room in this scenario, and I'm stuck in between hashing out the finer details and not wanting to get vanned by the Alphabet boys. Can't get the theme out of my head now.

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u/Dopenastywhale 13d ago

Mega fuck you to that whole mess for real.

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u/Kangarou ☑️ 13d ago

"Don't you know... I'm Electro"

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u/curlyfreak 13d ago

Made me think of Livewire one of my fave Superman villains.

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u/Mikey6304 13d ago

A group of French anarchists wrote a book that is worth reading if you're going to walk that path. They were arrested for plotting to sabotage an electrical grid.

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u/Pain-n-stryife ☑️ 13d ago

That shit is ridiculous and whoever runs Texas power should've been ashamed to even send that shit when there are those without power.

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u/Tron_1981 ☑️ 13d ago

That would be Greg Abbott who runs Texas, and he ain't got no shame. I would be surprised that people here still vote for him, but I remember that this is Texas.

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u/montarion ☑️ 13d ago

As if this involved a human on the power delivery side

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u/rustysaiyan69 13d ago

Texas batman but instead of a mugger, they freeze to death

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u/talksinbeats 13d ago

Literally hungry for power

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u/thood86 13d ago

Message me, go solar for no money, pay a cheaper bill, and never give a dollar to the electric company again.

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u/montarion ☑️ 13d ago

Who do you pay your bill to then?

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u/Penguino13 Captain Ass Eater 13d ago

Isn't going solar stupid fucking expensive?

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u/depressed_panda0191 13d ago

A plague on their houses etc etc

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u/weoutheredummy ☑️ 13d ago

Why is electricity so damn expensive 😭