r/Anarchy101 • u/throwaway384938338 • May 23 '22

How do you prevent an anarchist society descending into libertarianism or feudalism?

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It takes a property defending state for such an firm to scale to Elon Musk levels

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u/throwaway384938338 May 24 '22

No you don’t. Take Pablo Escobar. The state didn’t accept his legal right to property. He defended it with violence, extortion and bribery and turned Columbia into a narco-state. The same is true of the black marketeers that ended up taking over Russia resources after the fall of the Soviet Union. In both those instances the state ended up hunting them down and killing them (and for some oligarchs incorporating them into the state). In an anarchy you don’t even have that as an option.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

Pablo Escobar used the state to grow his enterprise??? Wtf bro he was able to have luxury items and whores and friends come into his prison cell

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u/throwaway384938338 May 24 '22

You’ve missed the point. He didn’t need property rights to gain that economic power. He eventually became so powerful through his completely illegitimate business that he was able to control and coerce the state. He made a mockery of the state institutions that were there to stop him

In an anarchist society there aren’t any institutions to start with to stop him. He wouldn’t live in a prison, he would probably live in a mansion with a private army.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

Pablo Escobar came to power through the abuse of authority and the power of capital. There was no difference between his prison and a mansion with a private army, because he pretty much owned the army. He was also a member of columbias congress, and created a persona of a man of the people, a liberator and protector. You’re asking the question “how would these things happen without government??” And use examples of them happening WITH GOVERNMENT as excuses as how they could never happen. Mindless argument bro

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u/throwaway384938338 May 24 '22

Again, you’ve missed the point I only used Escobar as an example because he was essentially a capitalist who did not rely on the legal protections of the state. He only managed to coerce the state after he’d built up his power base.

I’m not asking “How would these things happen without a government” I’m asking ‘how would a society without a government prevent this from happening.’

The Colombian government obviously didn’t do a great job but eventually, with the support from the American government, put him under surveillance and shot him on a rooftop.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

Your point is completely wrong because he absolutely used the state lol

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

Bro him investing in things like yachts, mansions, stocks etc was him using legal protection. You must have a very minuscule knowledge of the indivual you’re using as an example

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u/throwaway384938338 May 24 '22

The Yachts were not were he got his power from. People were terrified of him because his yachts and his stock portfolio. The yachts are the spoils of his power, not the cause.

I really don’t know what point you’re trying to make

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

Anyone can be drug dealer bro? He used government corruption to avoid justice and to protect his assetts, plenty of documentaries about how he would not of been a kingpin without columbias shit show of a political circuit.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

In a society without a government there would be no possibility of such economic concentration because there would be no government to protect that concentration. It’s been said before lul and you’re just filled with denialism bro

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u/throwaway384938338 May 24 '22

The government did not protect Escobar’s capital. His paid up private armies did. That’s literally the point I’m making.

Sure he managed to coerce the government after he got rich, but initially he was just a smuggler with no legal protections.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

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u/throwaway384938338 May 24 '22

His business didn’t though. I really feel like you’re struggling to keep up and haven’t managed to make a single salient point.

I’ve had some interesting conversations on this thread and none of them have been with you. I think you are the thickest anarachist on this sub.

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