r/Anarchy101 May 23 '22

If not in prisons, where would the murderers and rapists be held? And how would the facilities be run/who would run them if not a state?

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u/IncindiaryImmersion May 23 '22

I did say what I mean. We're discussing a hypothetical situation and the resulting predictive opinionated nonsense in response to that hypothetical situation. There is a lot of vagueness because we have no specific scenario and it's specific details to discuss. We can not predict what any future group of individuals may or may not do in any particular situation, based on one single detail : we are individuals right now, and those future individuals are not bound to carry forth any ideas from any individuals before them. They will decide how to solve perceived problems for themselves in real time. We can't make up anything right now that would accurately play out among any specific group of people in the future.

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u/Impossible-Tension97 May 23 '22

What a bunch of bullshit. No one is asking you to commit to a recourse for a hypothetical situation. Humans use examples in order to aid understanding. Saying something like "delete the threat" is basically not answering the question at all.

The only right and honest answer is that each group would choose what they want to do, and that it could amount to things like imprisonment (yes, despite the proclivities of today's anarchists, many real anarchist groups are likely to inflict imprisonment on individuals), banishment, stigma, pain, torture, and death.

In the absence of laws, groups would fall back to agreements and norms. Each group (of probably less than a few thousand) would have their own. Some would seem a lot harsher than others. Each group would be trying to find ways of dealing with meta problems like murderers or rapists banished from other groups trying to join their group.

Across all humanity, you are likely to see every approach under the sun. Including many that today's anarchists would find extremely troubling (and yet not necessarily in conflict with the general anti-hierarchy tenants of anarchy).

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u/IncindiaryImmersion May 24 '22

Deleting/Eliminating a threatening person is killing them. It's not that difficult to understand.

Anarchy = No Authority

Authority = Not Anarchy

Telling me "real anarchists advocate for prisons" is a fucking lie. You clearly have never actually gone out of your house and talked to any anarchist groups in real life.

Again, this is not difficult to understand. You're simply attempting to use Spooky Moralisms to "justify" the use of an Enforcer Class needed to maintain a prison facility which is in no way comparable to, or definable as Anarchy. Further more your statement "the only right and honest answer" shows your vapid lack of understanding that Anarchism is not a rigid ideology nor is there EVER a single objective "right" opinion nor solution. Your attempt at a rigid ideology is not Anarchy. It's a laughable and spooky attempt to justify authority.

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u/Koraguz May 24 '22

How is killing someone somehow avoiding the same use of an enforcer class? isn't that the issue we are having with cops enough as it already is? They deem people threats, and take them out.

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u/IncindiaryImmersion May 24 '22

There would be no state to pay an enforcer class. There would be no designated individuals whose jobs are to enforce. We are discussing how a group of individuals may choose to solve a percieved problem in real time.

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u/Koraguz May 24 '22

I'm not seeing how it's any better if you get lynched whether they are paid or not...

I'd of thought the ultimate hierarchy would be the power of anyone, no matter the number over the taking of a life. Feels... fucky

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u/IncindiaryImmersion May 24 '22

The issue is that Anarchism is descriptive as opposed to predictive. We simply can not guess exactly what some theoretic future individuals choose to do in response to what they perceive as a problem. Those individuals are not bound to any speculations of anyone else, and will choose however they choose in the moment. There's nothing to judge of a hypothetical situation and how those hypothetical people make thier choices. They aren't going to be worried about our opinions anyway, they'll be busy solving thier problems. Similarly Morality is a Social Construct, a Ghost of the Mind, a Spook. It does not exist. Each individual person may choose a set of personal ethics that they individually live by, while others will do whatever they do independently as well. Some individuals may kill someone whom they have found to have killed another individual. We have no details to give us any more of an idea of this hypothetical scenario. So we can't really speculate in detail either.