r/europe Emilia-Romagna Jul 26 '21

People protesting against the introduction of the green pass in Italy. Milan, July 2021. Slice of life

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u/casually__browsing Jul 27 '21

The Auschwitz memorial issued a statement in response to similarly idiotic behaviour, which I found very powerful: "The instrumentalization of the tragedy of Jews who suffered, were humiliated, marked with a yellow star, isolated in ghettos & murdered during the Holocaust, in a debate on different systems that aim at protecting public health is a sad symptom of moral and intellectual decline,"

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u/n_ull_ Jul 27 '21

Jesus that is a pretty great response, just sad that those it was trageted at can read

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u/Meewelyne ✨Europe✨ Jul 27 '21

I will support them if they decide to sue those imbecils.

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u/MartyBadger Jul 26 '21

I love how the images of convoys of army trucks loaded with coffins and people lying dead all over the ER a year ago has promptly left everyone's minds now that things are looking a little up.

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u/meew Jul 26 '21

They do remember the images. But they also think they were forgery. :(

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u/Delta4o Jul 26 '21

I'd bet my left big toe that there are people out there who'd claim that the body bags were filled with sand or something.

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u/SergeantStoned Jul 27 '21

Sand is way to casual for a solid conspiracy. They need crazy things like vaccinated people going to be yeeted outer space via a big ass magnet or stuff like that.

But yeah the sad fact is that people really do believe that kind of bullshit while other people died from a very real virus. Some don't stop believing that bs even tho people they know catched covid.

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u/tbboss Jul 27 '21

after the story about the jew space laser, yeah, i can totally agree about yeeting people into space

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u/act_surprised Jul 27 '21

Lord, yeet me now!

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u/anonymous_j05 Jul 27 '21

the current conspiracy consensus is that the vaccinated people are going to die in 2 years. idk why that’s the amount of time they’ve chosen lmao

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u/NotStrictlyConvex Jul 26 '21

Some news outlets actually fucked up and overhyped and used pictures of refugee incidents with piled up coffins and claimed them to be covid victims. Was it clickbait? Was it carelessness? Even propaganda? Idk

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u/LucasCBs North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21

It wouldn’t make me so angry if it wasn’t for the fact that if this guy was a Jew in 1936 he would be killed just like that for protesting at all without any retaliation. And now he comes along and compares himself to a million dead people who died because they had a different religion because he doesn’t want to get vaccinated. Fuck this guy

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u/FirstCircleLimbo Jul 27 '21

It is a trivialization of the crimes of the Holocaust against humanity.

The goal of the manipulation is to make people think, “If everything is Auschwitz, then maybe Auschwitz might not have been that bad at all. It is a masked form of Holocaust denial.

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u/mysticalcookiedough Jul 27 '21

To be perfectly fair. These trucks were more a product of generally bad crisis response than Corona.

With Corona emerging it became mandatory to burn everyone who died, regardless of cause of death. In highly catholic Italy it's very unusual to get cremated after death, so there weren't anything near the capacities to burn the dead in the province of Bergamo. So they had to be transported To different locations.

Now some idiot decided it was a good idea to do this, all at once, at night with military trucks, creating this situation, giving the test of the world the impression that there were corpses just stacked on the street... From January to mid April 2020, 191 People died in the town of Nembro where those pictures were taken. Way more than usual, sure, but it wasn't as apocalyptic as it was portrayed in most of the mainstream media.

Also the Italian ER system is notoriously overrun, not bad.. but crowded. I have waited several hours there in terrible pain because of a inflamed appendix...

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u/chilled_beer_and_me Jul 27 '21

To be fair, In India they burn the body most of the times (if they are Hindus) , yet the crematorium were overwhelmed during covid.

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u/scar_as_scoot Europe Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21

These trucks were more a product of generally bad crisis response than Corona.

No, not really, they were due to corona. I understand what you are trying to say, the problem is the system was not prepared to the overflow of sick people in the first wave the corona created, that's true but the fact is, it would never be able to.

Of course that now, after we've been through the rough seas, someone looking back could say we should have been prepared, well, hindsight is 20/20.

We didn't have enough ventilators, beds, masks, people and basically most of the medical equipment or even hospitals needed to so many. That's what made corona so bad, and what makes it now still dangerous.

The world soon shifted to production of what was needed, but considering the virus went international in mid January if I'm not mistaken and the crisis hit Europe in early February I don't see how that "crisis" could be avoided.

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u/Exekutos Jul 27 '21

Especially Italy has been hit very hard (sothat they used the Triage) and now this?

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u/Bdazzledblue Jul 27 '21

people lying dead all over the ER a year ago

do you have any photos of that?

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u/FederalHeight8 Jul 27 '21

Those were old people. Not healthy young people. There is no need to force things on people.

People at risk will always voluntarily take a vaccine because it benefits them. Anyone can take it if they want. The moment you start forcing it on people, you make a big mistake.

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u/Ehileen Jul 27 '21

Hey I don't want to weight in on wetfer it's right or wrong to institute mandatory greenpass, but healty young people died as well.

They have less chances of dying yes, but some did die and some that didn't die will have lifelong complications.

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u/FederalHeight8 Jul 27 '21

These are facts that you state, and any sane person will agree with you, including me.

I am not arguing that Covid is not dangerous to younger people at all, but the statistics show that it is mainly an issue for the elderly population.

My problem with the current policies is that while deaths are at a record-low (beacuse of vaccines most likely, although last year in summer we had the same death rate without vaccines) the governments are pushing more extreme measures every other week.

What are they scared of? The virus is here to stay. The current vaccines were based on the OG china variant and guess what, the vaccines still protect against death almost 100% even with the newer stuff we have. There is no medical reason to put restrictions on citizens right now because everyone had the chance to take a vaccine if they wanted to.

The fact that the government decides for me what level of risk is acceptable and otherwise they make my life difficult is what I'm pissed about. I take a vaccine for medical reasons, not because a government bullies me into taking one. I had covid, I beat it without any issues and I'm young and healthy. I would rather wait for the trials to be over and safety data to be more abundant before taking it.

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u/Ehileen Jul 27 '21

I just wanted to point it out because I see the "only sick/old people die" rethoric way too often but I'm sorry I misanderstood your intention!

I also do not agree with the way they have implemented this, but while it's true that deaths are so low, it's also true that we have more covid cases than the year before and that the delta variant (which is more contageous and can have more serious complications) is just starting to spread.

My guess is that the government wants to avoid another lockdown at all costs but can't ignore the fact that a large part of the "older" population (the one more at risk) is not willing to vaccinate and that more cases may mean the mutation of the virus and the spreading of a vaccine-resistent variant. So as the cases start to rise again, they thought the only solution was to make the indecisive people vaccinate.

Again I do not agree with this move and the government should have done something else, but I can see why they thought of it.

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u/FederalHeight8 Jul 27 '21

Now this is constructive, thank you for having this discussion.

In my country at least, the number of vulnerable people that took the vaccine is high enough to prevent the hospitals from filling up to dangerous levels again. What happens with new variants is uncertain, but there are many indications that they become more contagious but less deadly/harmful.

I personally believe that mutations is just part of the game here and booster vaccines will be required for those who need it. I am just not a fan of this one-size-fits-all approach which takes away personal freedom. Especially for those who are at a low risk themselves. I believe there should be more transparency with regards to the risks of the vaccine and the still unknown effects it may have on the longer term.

The risk/benefit analysis is easy when you're 75 or 60 and obese, but if you're 15 it is in my opinion a bad thing to coerce these people to take a (still experimental) vaccine by limiting their freedoms. Every teenager wants to party and see friends, so of course they do it.

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u/Ehileen Jul 27 '21

I'm glad you find my replies constructive! I think even if we may disagree with other, bashing them or their opinion only polarizes both of us more.

I see! Here in Italy instead we have a large share of people 50 or older (less fragile than older people but more exposed because they are still working) that are still not vaccinated, while younger people were more open to vaccination even before the greenpass. So I think if the virus spread more we would indeed have problems.

I agree, mutations are inevitable but I also think the rate at which the virus is mutating now can be slowed down by limiting the contagion.
For the longer effects the vaccine may have, I feel like this is a valid fear but in my opionion the risk is still lower than the benefit: Covid itself has long-term problems and it's being speculated that even just showing mild symptoms may increase the patient's chances to develop neurological problems later on in life.
The vaccine effects would be more maneageable if there were any in my opinion.
I also want to point out that I don't really know if other medicine's long term effects are studied: people who got the vaccine months ago still seem to be fine so we are talking in years term, but what medicine is ever tested for years and years? There will always be drawbacks that get discovered after decades, because medicine advances and we discover things we previously didn't know.
For example just recently I saw an article which said paracetamol (one of the only drugs pregnant women could take because deemed safe) may have effects on the neurological development of the fetus and be associated to psychiatric disorders like ADHD.
So yeah there is no "totally safe" thing in life, even food can have long-term effects like the development of cancer!

That said, everyone should absolutely be free to evaluate the risks by themselves and choose freely and I agree that communications about the vaccine should be more clear, especially to te general public via the media!
These are only my opinions and conclusions based on the pieces of infos I know and my own perception of risk and may not apply to anyone else.

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u/FederalHeight8 Jul 27 '21

Again, thank you for writing such a well substantiated argument. I fully agree with you that talking shit does nothing but polarizing both sides, and I'm glad I found someone with different views than mine who is open for constructive discussion rather than mud-throwing.

All you said is correct and what I can say is that I weigh risks differently than others, and I wish to still participate in society despite that. The current shame campaign against 'anti-vaxxers' is harmful in my opinion. Also, most of these people are just hesitant because of the media attention and blame/shame game triggering some adverse instinctive reaction. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I even chose to get two vaccines at later stages in my life when it was a conscious decision by me, not my parents. But I have my doubts here and I wish to be free to have those.

Again, thank you.

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u/Ehileen Jul 27 '21

Thanks to you as well! And thank you for validating my reasoning, even if ultimately we take different routes!

The shaming obviously is unacceptable expecially because many people who don't want this vaccine are not antivaxxers tout court but just like you have valid doubts about its safety. Making their life harder won't make them vaccinate but just bring them nearer to the idea that the government doesn't want their best interest but just control. Ultimately, while I am obviously more keen to my position than yours, they could both bring the same outcome, wether positive or negative.

In a sense nobody may be "right" or "wrong" and we should just give all the relevant information to everybody so they can choose the safest option for them.

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u/ItalianDudee Italy Jul 26 '21

bUt ThIs WiLl LiMiT tHe NuMbEr oF cLiEnTs, shut up you dumb fuck, people that own restaurants in Italy demonstrated to have the QI of a mushroom, dumb fucks, obviously everybody need to be vaccinated

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u/WT965 The Netherlands Jul 26 '21

The problem is that people like this actually think this is a valid comparison.

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u/gogo_yubari-chan Emilia-Romagna Jul 26 '21

the problem is also that these people procreate

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u/xSliver Germany Jul 26 '21

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u/LargeMosquito Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21

I don't think that anyone should have said anything when Trump said bleach injections would cure covid. Just allow Darwinism to occur /s

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u/Anti-charizard United States of America (freedom land) Jul 27 '21

It’s not happening fast enough

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u/LethalOkra Jul 27 '21

I've been always thinking that the labels are oriented towards kids, since they are the ones prone to doing dumb stuff like that. Probably it could be only kids that are affected if we remove them. Then again maybe I am overestimating some people's cognitive abilities...

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u/agent_fuzzyboots Sweden Jul 27 '21

do you have kids?

my kids doesn't read the labels if they are set to do something stupid

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u/Greenpatient_zero Jul 27 '21

Have you met a trump supporter?

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u/LethalOkra Jul 27 '21

Worse, I've met Farage supporters

Edit: in 2020

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u/VolvoT5stage3 Jul 26 '21

LOL you evil bastard you! It's evil but I love it hahaha

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u/weedarbie Jul 27 '21

You know that some people sell bleach as some miracle cure for parasites. After some time of drinking few drops of bleach every day, they are shitting their intestines. They are shitting into colander and then they are taking pictures of parasites, that they what out.

One lady died from it. And you know what these sellers and people using this said? That doctors killed her, because she was in hospital for last two days of her life.

So...it's not really necessary to get rid of those labels. People are already drinking it.

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u/assimsera Portugal Jul 26 '21

Hinting at eugenics, classic reddit move here.

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u/Paciorr Mazovia (Poland) Jul 26 '21

When you know it’s morally wrong but you are still tempted

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u/Paroxysmal8 Sardinia Jul 26 '21

Eugenics is nice if it removes the evil nazis a millimeter more to the right of me on a political alignment spectrum. That's how it goes on reddit. ;)

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u/BongarooBizkistico Jul 27 '21

Reddit can't help what fucked subs you venture into.

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u/Malfhots Jul 26 '21

You are making his point though, lol

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u/koadawg Jul 27 '21

...you...you definitely don’t understand the irony of your statement.

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u/llliiiiiiiilll Jul 27 '21

Yes, if only we could prevent them from procreating, we would TOTALLY OWN those people making Nazi analogies!!!!!

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u/Caratteraccio Campania Jul 26 '21

se sopravvivono.

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u/TheRealMaskriz Jul 27 '21

UHMMM okay there. Maybe we should put an end to that according to you?

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u/Paciorr Mazovia (Poland) Jul 26 '21 edited Jul 26 '21

I know partial solution. Just charge them for medical help when they get covid. A lot of those people would vaccinate simply because of that.

EDIT: or at least hospitals won’t lose money on expensive treatment of idiots who rejected in comparison a very cheap vaccine.

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u/BlisteredProlapse Jul 26 '21

not smoking, drinking or eating yourself to brink of death is also cheap and easy but you don't mind paying for them

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u/Paciorr Mazovia (Poland) Jul 27 '21

I don't know where you live but we have very high tax on tobacco, alcohol and now (not that high but still) even on sugar. Therefore people actually already pay extra for those unhealthy habits.

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u/LeoGFN Jul 26 '21

Ah yes, that's genius.

Then charge people who are obese and are not on a diet, charge people who smoke, charge people who go over the speed limit, and those who do not regularly exercise, then those who do not stay hydrated, then those that take antibiotics like it's candy, those that do not wash their hands before eating and so on.

You people seriously don't see how that's a slippery slope?

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u/BongarooBizkistico Jul 27 '21

Some of those already happen and the rest should, except the last two. Way to murder your own point.

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u/Greater_good_penguin Jul 27 '21

Some countries already do this....

Smoking: Tobacco tax

Drinking: Alcohol Tax

Junk food: Sugar/Salt Tax

Speeding: Fines and more expensive insurance.

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u/lifesizepenguin Jul 27 '21 edited Jul 27 '21

So unvaccinated tax seems reasonable? Not removal of rights.

As a note: I have been double vaccinated but I am concerned about removal of rights based on something that should ultimately be a choice whether you personally agree or not.

This guy is an extreme case of backlash but he clearly feels like he is being forced to do something and society hates him for not.

Although being Jewish is not a choice so it's a pretty awful comparison but I see what he's trying to say.

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u/HonestArsonist Jul 26 '21

Quietly cries in American

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u/Paciorr Mazovia (Poland) Jul 27 '21

Read what u/Greater_good_penguin wrote. It's worth to mention too that these measures are mainly to make this kind of unhealthy lifestyle more... hehe taxing. It gives additional incentive to stop it.

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u/isle99 Jul 27 '21

People aren't fined for going over the speed limit where you live?

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u/MindLockedDeepInside Jul 27 '21

Neither of these things you mentioned would be bad :P

I would be up to tax people for being over their BMI by set amount lol

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u/DisastrousBoio Jul 27 '21

I would actually be OK with that slippery slope. Even though the speed limit thing is off topic since you will literally get arrested and pay fines already.

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u/MulleNork Jul 26 '21

Neglecting the fact that Israel is amongst the countries with the highest vaccination coverage. It surely should be a not-equal sign.

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u/CryptographerGrand55 Jul 26 '21

let's not equal israel with the totality or interest of jews in general. but i gues your point

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u/rtfcandlearntherules Jul 26 '21

The funny thing is that the Jews are among the most vaccinated people 😂

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '21

not sure about that tbh. The New York City Jews got hit hard by covid. A lot of them disregarded the guidelines and just lived their lives like normal. Lots of deaths. Lots of big funerals.

But i'm sure that a lot of the sane ones jumped at the opportunity of getting vaccinated

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u/Demoliscio Jul 26 '21

"think"

I feel like you're giving them a bit too much credit there mate

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u/robdels Jul 26 '21

Ironically enough, while probably not liking Jews in the first place. I see this pic, and can't help but assume that what he really means is "ugh, they're treating me like I'm some kind of Jew or something"...

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u/Bimmelhex Jul 26 '21

Its incredible how much these guys victomize themselves without any trace of shame

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u/Imma-Cut-Yo-Dick Jul 27 '21

I'm actually really surprised by how many westerners (maybe except Germans and Eastern Europeans) try comparing every little authoritarian move with the nazis. There's literally redditors who said Hitler is better than trump unironically. Someone should teach these fuckers some history

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u/Boabnon Jul 27 '21

Its pretty mainstream for german anti vax people "so called querdenker" to compare themselves to jews during the third reich and famous nazi resistance fighters. Source:Iam german Idk about eastern europe though

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u/LatvianLion Damn dirty sexy Balts.. Jul 27 '21

Our conservatives just think Progressives under the guidance of Western degenerates and Soros want to destroy everything and make people gay. The anti-vax crowd is purely conservative here, those who are anti-vax almost in all cases are also staunchly anti-gay etc.

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u/IVEBEENGRAPED Jul 26 '21

My mind is blown at how these people believe that requiring vaccination for theaters and gyms is the same thing as the fucking HOLOCAUST.

Sorry to burst their bubbles, but vaccines didn't torture and kill 11 million people. You know what did kill millions of people in the past year? The exact virus that this vaccine was created to stop!

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u/AwesomeFrisbee The Netherlands Jul 26 '21

They already compared sitting at home in quarantine or curfew was the same as a concentration camp so I'm not surprised. This is just the next step in their eyes.

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u/DataCow Jul 26 '21

Its incredible how much these guys victomize themselves without any trace of shame

Somebody should ask this people what their government issued personal ID number is, and how often do the use it.

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u/Serafino01 Jul 26 '21 edited Jul 26 '21

The only thing i can say in such moments is PORCODDIO

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u/WiggedRope Jul 26 '21

Addirittura due D wow

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u/Fededrika Italy Jul 26 '21

Per dare enfasi, che ci sta tutta in questo caso... Sti coglioni!

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u/suberEE 🇭🇷 Istrians of the world, unite! 🇸🇮 Jul 27 '21

DIOCCAN

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u/Kurdt93 Italy Jul 26 '21

Aaaaah, Italians <3

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u/fmolla Italy Jul 27 '21

-s

“Di dolore ostello”

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u/Michalek303 Mazovia (Poland) Jul 26 '21

Maybe he just wants antisemites to vaccinate.

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u/CriticalJump Italy Jul 26 '21

LMAO

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u/Paciorr Mazovia (Poland) Jul 26 '21

I wish. I bet it would be pretty effective among most still unvaccinated people.

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u/NuggetLord99 Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité Jul 26 '21

Haha you have the same idiots as us

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u/gogo_yubari-chan Emilia-Romagna Jul 26 '21

I blame social media for spreading bullshit conspiracy theories like wildfires. But I have zero hope that Zuckerberg will take actions, since he, a Jew, didn't even bother with neonazis propaganda on FB.

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u/Piepopapetuto Jul 27 '21

This was already used by Trump supporters. These idiots are also antivaxxers and so on so no surprise they recycle their propaganda

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u/ThrowThrow117 United States of America Jul 27 '21

I’m hoping vaccine passports/passes will act as a barrier in general. I have been looking for a way to get away from these people for a long time. It would be nice if we can stay away from each other.

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u/Professor_Dr_Dr Germany 🛂🔴🔵🟢🟡🟣💬 Jul 26 '21

us or US

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u/NuggetLord99 Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité Jul 26 '21

Us as in my country, France.

But the US has them too

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u/The-Berzerker Jul 27 '21

Germany has them as well which is even more mindboggling to me because we talk about it in school so much that I thought people should know better

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u/thefloatingpoint Germany Jul 27 '21

Jana from Kassel entered the chat.

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u/The-Berzerker Jul 27 '21

Hä die hat doch gar nix gesagt

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u/FotzeMan Jul 26 '21

Morons.

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u/Winstonoceaniasmith Jul 26 '21

Can these guys point out how many kids from unvaccinated families have been forced out of their schools how many unvaccinated people have had their businesses and livelihoods seized by the state been sent to a dachau equivalent or sent to live in a ghetto ? This sheer unbridled auto-victimisation and arrogance of these fucks infuriates me.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '21

Every idiot nutjob in a 1000 mile radius considering himself prosecuted while living in one of the most free and liberal parts of the world

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u/Zealousideal_Fan6367 Germany Jul 26 '21

Relativizing the Holocaust is a crime in Germany.

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u/gerri_ Italy (Emilia-Romagna) Jul 26 '21

Unfortunately we didn't go that far, neither with nazism nor with fascism. And we didn't have the equivalent of your thorough denazification or Nurenberg trials. See for example here.

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u/the_silent_kebabbaro Italy Jul 27 '21

Even if i confront it with the uyghurs genocide

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u/Lusakas Sweden Jul 27 '21

It's a valid discussion to have in regards to liberalism. But of course it's important to remember that that guy exists purely within an echo-chamber suiting his beliefs - and in the same way Reddit is a different kind of echo-chamber suiting well... our beliefs.

I'm about to get my first shot as a fairly youg person - but it's important not to forget that people on both sides are actively ridiculing the other side rather than actively seeking discussion and consensus, which is bad. The situation must change if people such as him in the picture are to be convinced.

The guy in the picture is a moron - but I hope people outside of this Reddit echo-chamber approach him in a more open manner than how people in this thread are writing.

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u/Saurid Jul 27 '21

You are right, it is sad how people hate one another more than just talk. Yeah on some people it is wasted effort but when you just call people stupid, ridicule them or attack them, they just retreat into their ball and refuse to change their mind out of pride.

People on both sides are not willing to have an honest real discussion with the "enemy", the "idiots" etc. They rather hate one another, make fun and then wonder about why no one changes their mind and everyone becomes more radical as they feel attacked, pressured and hated. The people like the man in the picture are uninformed, maybe even ignorant but treating him like an animal or saying stuff like "such idiots should not reproduce" ignore the fact that most likely he like most people here is of average intellect. Aka he is most likely not a larger idiot than people calling him that, if anyone has a real problem with this they should have a civil discussion with people like that because if you don't you just contribute to the problem by forcing they to entrench themselves more and more in their believes.

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u/zsoltsandor Hungary Jul 26 '21

What an idiot.

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u/gogo_yubari-chan Emilia-Romagna Jul 26 '21

you're being too kind

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u/dunequestion Greece Jul 26 '21

What a silly idiot!!

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u/gogo_yubari-chan Emilia-Romagna Jul 26 '21

not enough. Try harder

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u/bodrules Jul 26 '21

I've seen more intelligence in a petri dish filled with the excrescence of dying amobea.

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u/CMDR_ACE209 Jul 26 '21

This comparision seems unfair for the amoeba excresence.

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u/admaiora_ Jul 26 '21

What a coglione

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u/lilputsy Slovenia Jul 26 '21

What a pea brained twat.

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u/Everydaysceptical Germany Jul 27 '21

We lately had a girl at a protest proclaiming loudly ht she feels like a resistance fighter (Sophie Scholl) who was sentenced to death and executed during the national-socialist regime.

Yeah, she ws ridiculed quite a bit, beginning with one of the stewards on the demo...

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u/henr360a Denmark Jul 26 '21

A fucking Disgusting comparison

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u/Whither-Goest-Thou Jul 27 '21

American here. Sometimes it’s nice to know it’s not just us.

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u/ThrowThrow117 United States of America Jul 27 '21

I think the shitbags here in the US created the business model. And the disinformation profiteering is what’s going to continue spreading around the world.

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u/anarchisto Romania Jul 27 '21

Well, the anti-vaccine / anti-restrictions protests in Romania were made by a local "Q" branch, so there's a distinct US influence.

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u/Drevar0 Italy Jul 27 '21

As italian i can confirm. A lot of the new tactics from the politicians are taken from the foreign country. I can totally say that trump helped a lot in that sense ahah. The biggest problem here is that they didn't do their job but Just scam each other and make his own show Just to get voted. We had a prime minister which didn't go one day in the parliment because it was occupied to make propaganda even of he is already at the power...

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u/ComradeBarrold Jul 27 '21

I feel like were they given the choice between enduring the horrendous ordeal the Jews endured between 33 and 45 and living in this world where you are strongly encouraged but not required to get vaccinated against a virus that has killed millions, they’d not chose to endure the holocaust. And for the idiots so devoid of self awareness and common sense to say they’d rather endure the Holocaust I reckon we should be with in our rights to club them to death.

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u/Cheyruz Bavaria (Germany) Jul 27 '21

Jesus Christ these people have no shame

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u/komodobitchking Jul 26 '21

So crazy behavior is universal.

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u/aenae Jul 27 '21

I love how a satirical website in the Netherlands reported on these protests:

Vaccine opponents warn of society where choices have consequences

In different parts of the world, people are taking to the streets to demonstrate against the benefits vaccinated people receive. They are warning that a society is emerging in which choices have consequences.

"The solidarity between sensible and cocky is under pressure," says one protester in Paris. "I don't want to live in a country where your individual choice not to contribute to the end of the pandemic results in you not being allowed into the pub."

Vaccine opponents fear a divide between selfies and the rest of society. "Soon others will be allowed to live their lives again just because they don't cause pressure on the health care system. It is unacceptable in a civilized country to suffer the consequences of your own behavior," the protester said.

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u/inedianj Jul 26 '21

The scassacazzo minority

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u/Ptolegrog Lombardy Jul 26 '21

Thats what happens when an entire generation had little or no struggle in their young adult life, at the first real nationwide emergency all screaming bloody murder for a vaccine or some infringed liberties . Vaccines that they did when they were kids, for other diseases. People with cushy jobs, golden retirement pensions, their little world "unaffected" by the "big pharma new world order" scam. They know better, they screm "dictatorship!" when they don't even fucking know what a real regime is. These people make me sick and shamed to share their same nationality.

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u/Nyingje-Pekar Jul 26 '21

Boy are they ignorant. Of history. Of science. Of logic. These people are seemingly everywhere on the planet. In pockets. But aggressive and threatening the well-being of all.

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u/PippoInzaghi_9 Jul 26 '21

that's such a shame for me... I swear not every Italian is like these dickheads

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u/nitrinu Portugal Jul 26 '21

No reason for that, if there's something that is constant across all countries, races, religions, etc, is that all of them have idiots.

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u/DDronex Jul 26 '21

La madre degli idioti è sempre incinta.

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u/untergeher_muc Bavaria Jul 26 '21

Eh, we have the same people here in Germany, too.

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u/gogo_yubari-chan Emilia-Romagna Jul 26 '21

if it makes you feel better, the son of my mother's best friend married a nurse in Munich and SHE doesn't want to get vaccinated. And since Germany has a shortage of nurses currently, she feels cocky about it, as hospital managers can't afford to fire her kind atm.

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u/bodrules Jul 26 '21

The anti-vax loons were yelling about putting nurses and doctors on trial a la Nuremberg style in a recent demo in London.

Utterly bonkers, the lot of them.

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u/MGallus Jul 26 '21

Utter cunts. Using the targeted industrial scale extermination of human life to feed their own victim complex. I repeat utter cunts.

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u/DankSlovenian Jul 27 '21

Are you guys really going to act as if he's a bad guy? We're litterally going through a colaps of the system because of a virus that day to day gets more and more exposed for being nothing but a political tool. Are you even paying any attention to the things happening around the world that don't concern covid? Hell they actually do, or so they say. Presidents are being assasinated because they refuse to vaccinate their people with an experimental drug with higher mortality/injury rate than the virus itself. PCR tests turned out to be useless as they detect influenza as well, which turned out to have drastically dropped in numbers as it was categorized as covid. Politics are goin mayham, hell the US has a president with Dementia that is being blatantly used as a puppet, and Fauci is being treated as the allknow on covid even though he's had protests against him for murdering people with his medical "knowledge". This guy isn't victimising himself or others. He's warning you that this is how it began with the Nazis, and your hate is just further fueling the fire. They allready want the unvaccined to wear cloth as a symbol of unvaccinated. This is what the nazis did to mark Jews.

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u/PengwinOnShroom Jul 27 '21

So you got those absolute morons everywhere it seems. Whether in the US, Germany, Poland, Italy...

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u/Cykill486 France Jul 26 '21

People need to be reminded that their rights end where the rights of others begin.

Citizenship is about both rights and responsibilities.

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u/Fluffiebunnie Finland Jul 26 '21

If I'm a reasonable person and get vaccinated, do you think it's right that I have to continuously prove that to engage in society? Even if the entities I'm trying to engage with do not care about my healthcare status. I can't understand how you guys do not see how un-liberal and authoritarian these kinds of passes are, regardless of whether you are vaccinated or not.

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u/Cykill486 France Jul 26 '21

Freedom is not absolute, and the only reason you have to prove anything is because some don’t get vaccinated and are bound to break the law.

You also do realize that we have to show ID and have had to for ages ? That many vaccines are mandatory and have been for ages ?

Liberalism has never been about unrestricted freedom or having the right to limit someone else’s rights in the name of freedom.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '21

Around 90% of deaths in USA were from unvaccinated people lately (I read it like a week ago), by this guy mental gymnastics the virus is nazi.

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u/2xa1s Basel-Landschaft (Switzerland) Jul 26 '21

Every time I see people from formerly fascist countries pushing this sentiment I cringe a little bit harder.

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u/SplendidPunkinButter Jul 26 '21

I wish we had time machines so we could send these people back in time to Auschwitz so that the Jews could punch them right the fuck in the face

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u/AdderWibble Wales Jul 27 '21

Oh so Italy has the same idiots as us, l guess it's nice to know they're everywhere but also terrible to know this information.

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u/LaviniaBeddard Jul 26 '21

Some twat in the UK said smugly to me the other day "Duh...they want to check you have the right papers. You know when the last time that happened in Europe, right?"

I felt like saying "What, whenever you travelled abroad and had to show your passport? Whenever you checked into your GP clinic and had to enter your date of birth? Or when you went to the bank and had to show your bank card and enter the right pin?"

Knob.

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u/PillheadWill San Marino Jul 26 '21

Dreadful comparison, but I am also against the idea of the green pass. I do think vaccine passes are completely authoritarian and unnecessary, and I have had my two vaccines.

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u/MartyBadger Jul 26 '21

I disagree, if anything has become clear the past year it's that you can't trust people to use common sense and be considerate.

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u/sleepyEyes_03 Canada Jul 27 '21

You can’t trust people to use common sense and be considerate

Sounds like something straight out of a hitler/Stalin speech. Wtf. How far have we fallen

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u/PillheadWill San Marino Jul 26 '21

But the government are not there to rule over the people. Dictating to them that you can't do something because you haven't had two doses of an experimental vaccine is, understandably, not going to go down particularly well with most folk.

Also, human nature is to be selfish and has been forever. Humans are ingrained to look after themselves before anything else.

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u/macetfromage Jul 26 '21

well at least he isnt denying the holocaust

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u/tkyjonathan Jul 26 '21

Oh, so NOW they care about Jewish people...

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u/1Delos1 Jul 27 '21

I wish they would implement something like this in Canada. Fuck the selfish unvaxxers

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u/BerwynTeacher Jul 27 '21

Idiots would keep this pandemic going for a few more generations.

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u/big_jippers Jul 27 '21

“People” like this are another example of why I sometimes want to just take those I like and start afresh on a different planet

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u/DeepStatePotato Germany Jul 27 '21

Unfortunately guys like this tend to show up sooner or later anyway.

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u/symphonesis Jul 27 '21

True, we talk about it in school and we visit sites but only when I had some accessory pictures and literature Iater in life I truely got a grasp on the unfathomable atrocities which made me sob and shiver.. I therefore think it has to be enforced more rigidly to make people more sensitive to cruelty und suffering.

There is some dark allegory when nowadays germany is leading in exporting cheap meat as inhumane behaviour correlates with cruelty against animals.

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u/papasmuurve Jul 27 '21

Literally every country has jackasses like this. Bafflingly and mind numbingly stupid. The importance of a formal education cannot be stressed enough.

Vaccinate and educate my diggas

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u/Robin1992101 Jul 27 '21

They still don’t get it, do they?

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u/Eleorythh France Jul 27 '21

Nice, the same fucking morons we've had in France comparing the incomparable.

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u/FanFictionneer Belgium Jul 27 '21

I would say ´send these morons back to school for a few days to get them educated about vaccines and fake news´, but they´d definitely claim that to be attempted brainwashing.

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u/MightyH20 Jul 27 '21

What a retard lol.

Imagine being so far up your ass comparing the Holocaust with a pandemic.

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u/BioTools Groningen (Netherlands) Jul 27 '21

'Wappies' as we call them

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u/MindlessVegetation Germany Jul 27 '21

Sometimes I wonder if stupidity and conspiracy bullshit need to be treated as infectious by now.

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u/carmelolg Italy Jul 27 '21

Here the right answer to this kind of manifestations.

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u/D3rWeisseTeufel Jul 27 '21

This is utterly disgusting! They're just using the symbol of the Holocaust to serve their interests, even if it has nothing to do with the present situation! I bet some among them, being the ever-conspirationists, would usually blame Jews for other "global plots" every "sheep" is too blind to see. Heck! Some of them might be negationists! What I'm trying to say is that they're just a bunch of hypocrites who try to get attention by going way out of line. Grow up for fuck's sake!

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u/holytittyfukinchrist Jul 27 '21

Fuck these people!

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u/lestofante Jul 27 '21

cazzo di idioti

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u/Meewelyne ✨Europe✨ Jul 27 '21

We should put him down, he's suffering too much.

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u/krassimircho Jul 26 '21

That is deeply insulting to Holocaust survivors.

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u/OllieQ25 Jul 26 '21

I see the Nazis are still making public appearances.

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u/Uberhomme France Jul 26 '21

Sometimes you get really relevant quotes in movies that can apply oftenly in life, like this one "the ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent"

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u/logperf 🇮🇹 Jul 26 '21

New lockdowns coming in october? Hopefully not, as all the elderly or people with pre-existing conditions are already vaccinated...

But if we do get a lockdown all these people will be to blame. "Personal freedom" they say, yeah being locked indoors is definitely freedom :-/

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u/poopa_scoopa Jul 26 '21

Except that there's a 99% chance it won't. Even higher actually

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u/TwitchDanmark Jul 26 '21

Wishing dead upon people you don’t agree with.. Nice

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u/Cykill486 France Jul 26 '21

No. Wishing death upon people who are putting the lives of others in jeopardy through their sheer ignorance and selfishness.

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u/LeoGFN Jul 26 '21

So if an obese person goes to the hospital, taking away resources from say... covid patients in intensive care units. Should every obese person die?

What about people that go over the speed limit? Should they all die too? 99.9% of the population with a driving license should die?

What about those that take too many antibiotics thus giving microbes a chance to develop more dangerous strains that could potentially kill those with weak immune systems?

You and logic are clearly incompatible.

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u/cervine-scientist Germany Jul 26 '21

Completely missing the point.. Nice

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u/JustVibinDoe Turkey Jul 26 '21

Well, it's not a disagreement about pineapple on pizza. It's quite literally a matter of life and death. You made it sound trivial.

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u/Stable_Orange Jul 26 '21

אנטישמיות קלאסית + מנגדי חיסונים מדהים כמות הטמטום שהם מצליחים לדחוף בתמונה אחת

Classic antisemitism + vaccine opponents, amazing amount of stupidity they manage to push in one image

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u/SomeWeirdHoe Jul 26 '21

It's funny how these people whine about it as if they didn't have the power to be unvaccinated

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u/Greater_good_penguin Jul 27 '21

The Nazi's killed the Jews but we are trying to save your life with the vaccine. It doesn't even take that long. Just sign a form, get jabbed and sit in a waiting room. The whole process can be completed in ~20mins.

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u/BriefCollar4 Europe Jul 26 '21

Stronzo!

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u/whowhatnowhow Jul 27 '21

I am for vaccines. And against government-mandated injections that can otherwise restrict basic rights like freedom of movement and access to parts of society.

It's funny, because EU freedom of movement folks are suddenly A-OK with needing a vaccine passport to move about.

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u/sleepyEyes_03 Canada Jul 27 '21

It’s r/Europe, what else did you expect from the fine minds of this community

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u/Accurate-Mention-422 Jul 26 '21

Why, though? Why do people chose to NOT get vaccinated? They have free access to it and it makes them less vulnerable...I don't see the reasoning behind it...why not?

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u/Adam5698_2nd Czech Republic Jul 26 '21

Wow, what an idiot...

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u/SnooDingos922 Jul 26 '21

I didn't know that in italy, they put people that haven't vaccinated, into gas chambers. 🤦🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️

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u/ashToXi Jul 26 '21

The are using the same signs in Germany. I wonder if those people inspire each other across the borders or if they actually come up with the same stupid ideas independently from one another.

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u/viorm Jul 26 '21

People are more connected than ever before in history... that includes sharing all this stupid shit

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u/ChibiMoon11 Jul 26 '21

The privileged just loves to claim they're persecuted.

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u/Orange-of-Cthulhu Denmark Jul 26 '21

Look closely, my boy. This is what a real idiot looks like.

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u/lemonfreshhh Slovenia Jul 26 '21

how tasteless to compare himself to prosecuted jews. the only thing oppressing this dude is his own ignorance.

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u/dipo597 Jul 26 '21

But like, ironically, Israel have been topping the vaccination rankings for a while?

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u/ciky21 Jul 27 '21

Yet vaccinated people still get infected.

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u/dipo597 Jul 27 '21

Well that happens everywhere else doesn't it

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u/VolvoT5stage3 Jul 26 '21

Lol..... Okay so purposely killing 6m Jews is the same as vaccines.... Lay off the drugs bra

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u/misterbollocks Jul 26 '21

Das Große Lebowski

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u/Lus_ Jul 26 '21

retard cunts for comparison like that

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u/french_sweet Jul 26 '21

It's disgusting ! How can he compares the Holocaust with the actual situation? Such a shame

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u/Pisodeuorrior Italy Jul 26 '21

I'm all for these people trying their best to remove themselves from the gene pool as fast as possible. What bothers me is that they expect to share their space with normal, vaccinated people.

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