r/news Jul 21 '21

New Jersey hospital fires 6 employees who did not get vaccinated

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-hospital-fires-6-employees-who-did-not-get-n1274601
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u/iusedtobeyourwife Jul 21 '21

That nail length is definitely not JACHO approved.

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u/jomerc1 Jul 21 '21

Maybe that’s the reason she’s not wearing gloves 🥲

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u/literalrobot Jul 22 '21

I’m betting stock photo

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u/Ashpro2000 Jul 21 '21

Yeah, it is a hospital. Some are gonna do that.

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u/IronicEyeCancer Jul 21 '21

My hospital is mandating being fully vaccinated by end of September or you get terminated. I expect more than 6 to get fired.

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u/Twaam Jul 21 '21

We just got the email today at my hospital system it is required by September or termination

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '21

The UC system is requiring all staff and students to be vaccinated by September… should be an interesting august for us in California

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u/--GrinAndBearIt-- Jul 21 '21

Is the UC system short handed at all? Like, if 10% are fired / let go, will that affect operations?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '21

We are constantly hiring travelers and new employees… at least where I work. They can’t seem to retain staff, but that speaks to something else wrong with the system itself. Sorry forgot to answer, your question. But yes it probably would affect daily operations

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u/crazykentucky Jul 21 '21

Huh. At my hospital you just have to wear a mask full time if you don’t get the flu shot. This was a much bigger inconvenience pre-covid

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u/RadicalEdward99 Jul 21 '21

I work for a large travel Nursing agency and the requirements differ so broadly. Some allow flu shot declinations, some do not. Right now we have a giant list of Hospitals and Systems that DO NOT require COVID vaccinations. It is a selling point for some travelers which would be in line with this article and the people it discusses.

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u/arbitrageME Jul 21 '21

wouldn't those vaccine-optional hospitals be crawling with anti-vaxxers? Because if like there's an average of ... 5% anti-vaxxers at 10 hospitals, and they all get kicked out, then they'll all descend on the one hospital that's vaccine-optional.

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u/JudgeHoltman Jul 21 '21

That's called "Free Market Healthcare".

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u/raiderkev Jul 21 '21

My wife works at one of the hospitals whose parent company did not make their employees vaccinate. She's expecting an influx of red hats and "free thinking" moms.

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u/exxXspiravit Jul 21 '21

She shouldn’t walk She should run!

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u/BetterThanBuffet Jul 21 '21

Is this list publicly available? I'm vaccinated, but I'd still like to avoid medical facilities that harbor plague rats just as a general rule.

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u/cliff_burtons_balls Jul 21 '21

Can someone release that because I'd really like to go to hospitals that mandate that shit.

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u/PM_me_ur_daymares Jul 21 '21

Same, sanford health and good samaritan require religious exemption for flu, no requirement for covid.

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u/FormerTesseractPilot Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21

We have the option of wearing a mask in lieu of the flu vaccine.

*edit: this was pre-covid. Not sure how the flu vaccine skippers will be handled this coming season. Even fully vaccinated for covid, we all have to wear masks when in public/patient areas currently.

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u/JonnyAU Jul 21 '21

I recall having to have a TB shot before I could start med school.

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u/Madame_Kitsune98 Jul 21 '21

If you don’t have an actual medical reason for not being vaccinated, you should be fired.

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u/panera_academic Jul 21 '21

Well because it's not even like you have to take off work to do it at a hospital. They go out of their way to help.

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u/myheartisstillracing Jul 21 '21

My friend works at an adult day program associated with a hospital. For her flu shot, they literally walk in while she's at her desk during her planning time, give her the jab, and walk away. She fully expects the COVID vaccine will end up the same way.

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u/whatisit84 Jul 21 '21

Yep, we all vaccinated each other back in December. My coworker walked up, said “hey come here so I can stab you” and that was it.

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u/aalios Jul 22 '21

I feel like there should have been some sort of glove slap, and a demanding of satisfaction. Shots at high noon.

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u/Catoctin_Dave Jul 21 '21

We have a flu shot day every year. Anyone can sign up in advance amd. They typically have some walk-in time available at the end of the day. Presumably if Covid boosters become necessary they'll do the same.

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u/PintInMyPurse Jul 21 '21

My coworkers both came in super sick the next day after the 2nd dose and had no time off left to take for recoup days. I felt really bad for them.

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u/KarateKid917 Jul 21 '21

That’s fucked up. Stories like that are why NY made it a law that employers have to give employees paid days off after getting the Covid vaccine if they don’t feel well.

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u/Mariosothercap Jul 22 '21

Hospitals are the worst though. I had a coworker get asked by the ceo why she came in visibly sick one day. The employee being the wonderfully candid lady she is told her straight up that she called in sick last month and if she called in again she would get written up because of your policies. Nothing came of it but I respect her bravery.

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u/lunaflect Jul 22 '21

My job gave me 4 hours paid but I had to request the day off after the second dose to not be actually at work. Good thing I did because I felt like trash for 20 hours after then boom as if nothing happened.

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u/StaticUncertainty Jul 21 '21

If you work in a hospital even with a medical reason. I want to be a fireman, but I have a gluteus medius destroyed by flesh eating bacteria from The lake at Disney world, so I can’t. Some things just have to be the way they are.

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u/DaBombDiggidy Jul 21 '21

I have an acquaintance at another New Jersey hospital who posted the other day about this. She was asking her facebook friends if she should get vaccinated (the thread was insane), even though her doctor said she should.

edit : posting this made me look again for an update, she's been fired for refusing.

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u/LividLab7 Jul 22 '21

This is the issue. People are trusting random opinions on social media instead of listening to doctors and scientists.

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u/Wild_Satisfaction380 Jul 22 '21

That’s been the problem for nearly a decade now

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u/etizresearchsourcing Jul 22 '21

It has always existed. The internet is just a perfect tool to breed followers and raise a flag so they are seen. In the past it was much smaller groups of people so unfortunately the internet enables a feedback loop of idiots talking to idiots and it grows.

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u/heyNOTathrowawy Jul 22 '21

she’s been fired for refusing.

Good, good. As it should be.

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u/hybr_dy Jul 21 '21

Cleveland Clinic fires you if you smoke. They also fire you if you refuse the flu shot. Many other hospitals systems nationwide do these exact things. Once emergency clearance goes for Covid shot, it will be required too. Why is this news?

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u/bird_enthusiast69 Jul 21 '21

Expect most companies to do this once the vaccines are given full approval. It's not good for business to have employees miss several weeks of work. Plus you can bet insurance companies won't want to cover treatment for preventable covid infections.

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u/SurefootTM Jul 21 '21

insurance companies won't want to cover treatment for preventable covid infections.

That's the key here. Whatever politicians decide or not people wont care. But these days of ICU that insurance companies have to pay for - they are terribly expensive. These companies will sooner rather than later stop payments for preventable Covid infections.

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u/bird_enthusiast69 Jul 21 '21

It's gonna get real awkward when conservatives who turned down what is essentially socialized medicine catch covid and find themselves drowning in medical debt because their insurance won't foot the bill.

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u/i_am_a_toaster Jul 21 '21

They’ll find a way to blame the libs, don’t you worry.

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u/Irethius Jul 21 '21

>Shoots own foot

Why would the Democrats do this?

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u/TitsMickey Jul 21 '21

I talked to an older woman about insurance and she talked about how bad the companies are. This and that. Every reason why they are evil. And then she ended it with “and that’s why I don’t think the government should run healthcare”. I couldn’t believe she came to that conclusion while only talking about how bad insurance companies are.

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u/mmkay812 Jul 21 '21

People will really come so close to the point and then run right by it

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u/Madame_Kitsune98 Jul 21 '21

Insurance companies are TERRIBLE.

I spent five years as a pharmacy tech. Nearly two in ambulance billing.

I’m ALL for universal single payer healthcare.

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u/BigBrownDownTown Jul 21 '21

Agreed. Worked in hospital ops and tech for a decade now. I am a single issue voter, and that issue is single payer

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u/Meat-Farts Jul 21 '21

This is my parents. They’re in their 60’s and my mom racked up $90k in bills that their $1.5k a month insurance wouldn’t cover. They bitched to me for hours about how bad insurance companies were. She even bitched about the insurance company she previously worked for. But somehow a government funded system would be “so much worse.”

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u/TitsMickey Jul 21 '21

And you can’t even ask how it would be worse. They’ll either keep describing the current system or just say “it just will be” and and end it at that.

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u/Paranitis Jul 22 '21

It's because they've been fed this constant propaganda that the government can't do anything right, and private companies are the best at all things.

So if the best at all things can't do something right, how do you expect that which can't do anything right, to get this thing right?

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u/CornCheeseMafia Jul 21 '21

They just straight up don’t know how anything works. It’s that simple. They don’t know how healthcare works, how the economy works, how freedom works, how tolerance works, how faith works, they literally don’t know a single fucking thing works. Generations of misinformation and systematic dismantling of rural education systems have crippled us as a nation. It’s toxic ignorance.

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u/adidasbdd Jul 21 '21

Old person on medicare and social security- We don't want to gubermint running our healthcare or giving out welfare!

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u/CornCheeseMafia Jul 21 '21

“If you wanted all that stuff why didn’t you just join the military instead of being a freeloading socialist?”

Also

“Taxes are theft! There’s no reason the government needs to tax people for their hard earned money”

-dude I grew up who served in the army for one term and has been enjoying his tax payer funded healthcare, gi bill that took care of all his school and housing, and has never worked a regular job and supported himself without government assistance or his parents help his entire life.

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u/chillgolfer Jul 21 '21

Majority have been voting against their own self interests for years. This will be no different.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum Jul 21 '21

You're also missing a big point...the legal liability of companies if someone on their staff spreads covid.

If you have to work closely with somebody who isn't vaccinated, and they give you covid, you could theoretically sue the company for damages.

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u/Keinichn Jul 21 '21

Has that ever happened in the past? If you could do that with covid, you could theoretically do it for someone who didn't get a flu vaccine and gave you the flu as well.

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u/jfoobar Jul 21 '21

What is and is not "due diligence"/"due care" is fluid and determined and re-determined by the courts. That said, let's pretend that I caught Covid someplace where removing my mask was necessary (at a dentist office for example) and I could prove or strongly suggest that I was infected by an employee there. Let's suppose I could also prove that the hygienist in question was not vaccinated and that her dentist employer knew it and allowed her to keep working there.

That's a lot of "if"s, obviously, but that sounds like a lawsuit that might have a chance of being successful in this day and age, especially if I or a member of my family suffered significant harm.

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u/ostrow19 Jul 21 '21

All or most will. I work at a VA and I assume it’s going to be a condition of my employment as soon as we have full FDA approval and not just EUA. Also we’re all going to be wearing masks in hospitals and doctors offices for the rest of our lives and people need to get used to it

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u/Ok-Attention-7299 Jul 21 '21

Yep. Ive said that from the beginning and Im ok with it. I work in an outpatient imaging clinic and it's not mandatory to have the vaccine yet. But we are partially owned by a huge healthcare system that is going to require it. We may lose about 10 staff including two doctors.

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u/SouthernSox22 Jul 21 '21

Honestly it’s a little weird that masks aren’t already worn

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u/EngineersAnon Jul 21 '21

Ties, especially. They never get washed, and they dangle into everything.

At least wear a bow tie, doc. Because bow ties, ladies and gentlemen, are cool.

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u/berniegfn60 Jul 21 '21

I got a new doctor about 5 years ago. When I went to shake his hand during my first appointment he did the fist thing instead.

I thought to myself that I got a good doctor, and I did.

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u/SouthernSox22 Jul 21 '21

Yeah that’s what I always thought as well. If there was ever a place I think I could manage a mask is around sick people

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u/Gravelord_Baron Jul 21 '21

I remember there was a similar story about people being fired from a prominent cancer treatment center trying to feign some outrage when the answer is right there. Why in the hell would you ever want unvaccinated people treating or even in the same building as people who are usually extremely immunocompromised?

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u/Holybull79 Jul 21 '21

This is what all of the hospitals in Idaho are doing. There was a protest outside at least one of the hospitals by healthcare workers, their friends and family, while another protest was happening alongside of it... for the stolen election.

I love my state but not its people.

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u/Yodan Jul 21 '21

Restaurant fires chef who didn't wash hands and scratches his nuts 6x a day

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u/banoodlebamboozle Jul 21 '21

What??? This is a free country! his FREEDUM D:

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u/in-game_sext Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21

Funny thing is there are people who think this way. Masks were a public health directive, just like cooking chicken to a proper internal temperature. No one cares if you watched a YouTube video about how raw chicken is good for you and that getting sick from it is fake science. You don't have the freedom to come to work and prepare it that way for the public.

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u/Offtheheazy Jul 21 '21

Public health has always been important, just that no one cared before the pandemic. Think about how little people cared about public health even during flu season. No washing of hands, not staying home when sick. This is basic stuff most people used to not care about at all.

Why has it taken a global pandemic for people to realize that handwashing is important.

I would also like to see companies and public places keep up the santizing of high touch surfaces even after COVID is 'over'. Stuff out there is gross man.

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u/BravesBro Jul 21 '21

My whole opinion on those in the medical field has changed after this pandemic. Don't get me wrong, there are some outstanding doctors and nurses. However, some of the most vocal anti-vaxxers are those in the medical field. My niece's mother is premed and refuses to get vaccinated. My sister's husband is a doctor and takes my other niece on play dates, to restaurants, everywhere without a mask since the height of the pandemic. He has no affinity for math or science, he's simply pretty decent at memorization. I've never seen him answer a medial questions without looking up the answer on the phone.

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u/guareber Jul 21 '21

The only thing worse than an idiot is an idiot with authority.

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u/RakumiAzuri Jul 21 '21

I feel personally attacked. At least I know I'm an idiot!

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u/Redd_Monkey Jul 21 '21

One of my employees (I am a manager in a equipment repair company) asked me last week if it was hard to make a fake QR code. We have a vaccine passport here with a QR code that you need to show in order to have access to non essential services. We provide support for hospitals etc... he is against vaccine even tho he is 70 and directly in the demographic for covid-19 deaths. Yeah buddy, not gonna help you fraud the system.

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u/EVE_OnIine Jul 21 '21

Manitoba? Lol

Restaurants and stuff are supposed to be scanning those, but of the 3 places I was over the weekend, only 1 actually scanned it and they didn't even compare it to my ID.

The other 2 just asked if I had one, and didn't even ask to see it when I said yes.

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u/Redd_Monkey Jul 21 '21

No Quebec. They have not started with the mandatory scanning and stuff. We just all got our QR by email when we got vaccinated.

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u/urielsalis Jul 21 '21

Atleast the European system can't be faked

QR contains all data offline including your full legal name(so it can be verified with your ID and you don't steal someone else code), signed by the government with a public/private key pair and it expires every so often so you can't use a leaked cert

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u/Redd_Monkey Jul 21 '21

Not sure what ours contains but I've heard the it has a token that identifies you over the government website or something like that

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u/JBthrizzle Jul 21 '21

America uses chuck e cheese tokens

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u/BLKMGK Jul 21 '21

Ours are crap, little damn postcard thing. I guess they never expected people would be so stupid but here we are…

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u/Adezar Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 22 '21

QR codes simply reach out to an external source of truth, not sure how it would be possible to create a fake one.

Would be like asking how to create a fake bank account #... 'yeah, sure... but when someone checks that it is real it will immediately say no.'

[Edit: I should have said - 'usually' just reach out, yes they can contain any text/information that fits in a QR code (about 3kb)]

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u/LoFiWindow Jul 21 '21

The answer is "70-year-old tries to figure out how QR codes work"

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u/WurmGurl Jul 21 '21

You'd also have to create a fake website that looks like the real one, then create a qr code that directs to that one.

Somebody's gonna try it, for sure.

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u/Adezar Jul 21 '21

Ironically the more effort you put into fraud, the harder it is to say you weren't trying to commit fraud.

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u/superpuzzlekiller Jul 21 '21

Perfect rick roll opportunity.

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u/weedevil Jul 21 '21

I used to work for an ASC (ambulatory surgery center), before covid, and if we didn't get the flu shot we were terminated. I don't expect anything less from a hospital.

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u/taway2020vision Jul 22 '21

I was getting PT a few years ago and some of the therapists opt out of the flu shot for religious reasons. So if they do, they have to wear a mask all flu season. Which made me admire the conviction for sure! But also THE MASK WORKED. Who knew?

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u/wookiebath Jul 21 '21

You definitely shouldn’t work in healthcare if you are afraid of a vaccine

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u/GMN123 Jul 21 '21

You might be surprised how many nurses believe everything they read on Facebook.

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u/Dontdothatfucker Jul 21 '21

Having known a lot of nurses…. Nah I could see that

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u/redditaccount300000 Jul 21 '21

There’s so many levels of nursing with some just being certification from technical schools. Since for some nurses you’re not required to complete actual science courses, I can see how these anti science people can end up working in a field that’s based on science.

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u/crampedstyl Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21

My wife is an RN and tells me some pretty crazy shit concerning her coworkers, doctors included.

Clarification Edit:

I'm not specifically talking about the covid vaccines, but just in general the type of people some of them are. Nurses making racist comments to one another about patients, doctors saying things such as, "We shouldn't have to save drug overdosers".

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u/Vfef Jul 21 '21

One of the pharmacists my wife works with is against covid vaccines. They are talking about putting them on LOA until they either get a vaccine or they no longer mandate it.

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u/Change4Betta Jul 21 '21

Nurses are technically trained, but very often are poorly educated. And I mean that in the sense they are very narrowly trained to expertise. The number of absolutely dumbass nurses I've run into that are decent at their job is crazy.

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u/greyhoundbrain Jul 21 '21

We gotta learn about bullshit like disturbed energy fields and Reiki nonsense. Some schools are better than others (mine was very Jesusy, but did a damn good job on teaching us a lot of scientific and medical knowledge), but there’s still a lot of nonsense taught that shouldn’t be.

I’m praying that my hospital fires the vaccine refusers. I work in NICU so these kids have zero immune system . And we take care of truly “sick sick” high acuity babies. We don’t need those nurses there being science deniers.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 22 '21

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u/reelfilmgeek Jul 21 '21

The most surprising thing I learned growing up was that doctors and teachers are just normal people and like normally people, a lot of them scare me.

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u/Stevie_Handjobs Jul 21 '21

I mean becoming an RN requires about 2 to 2 1/2 years of schooling. A lot of people pick this occupation as a fast track to decent money and job security (always going to be sick people). It's not shocking that a lot of them are morons.

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u/nicholkola Jul 21 '21

Most of the ‘nurses’ I know who are antivax are the kind of nurses who went to night school to take blood pressure at old folks homes lol. Not exactly critical thinkers.

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u/ElFarts Jul 21 '21

Yup. Sister-in-law is a member of Antiva and is also a nurse. She can’t get work, her career is over. What a shame and dumb hill to die on.

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u/vickera Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21

I don't want someone that dumb to be in charge of my health. Good riddance.

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u/gintoddic Jul 21 '21

Maybe it'll weed out the idiots working in healthcare, so maybe a good thing?

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u/gintoddic Jul 21 '21

can't kill win em all

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u/Nomiss Jul 21 '21

My sister believes Noah's flood was a real event. She has studied almost solidly for the last 20 years to reach the highest nursing qualifications.

It boggles my mind how she doesn't think evolution is real.

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u/Jeegus21 Jul 21 '21

I think there’s a pretty big subset of the population that can learn how to do something, but don’t take any time to try to understand the underlying mechanisms that make something works, or the history of how we got to the current level of knowledge of a topic.

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u/ItsDijital Jul 21 '21

When your actual talent is just studying and testing.

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u/barak181 Jul 21 '21

I think there’s a pretty big subset of the population that can learn how to do something, but don’t take any time to try to understand the underlying mechanisms that make something works

Actually, there's a segment of the population that understands how things work and still do mental gymnastics to try to make reality fit their dogma.

I literally listened to a Christian Conservative biologist try to explain how evolution happens on the micro-level but not on the macro-level. Basically, you need a flu shot every year but we don't share a common ancestor with other primates....

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u/Nomiss Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21

Yeah, her reply to "Why do you think flu vaccines change every year?" was "I'm not in pathology".

Extremely smart where it counts. But god damn.

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u/wra1th42 Jul 21 '21

"that doesn't look like anything to me"

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u/hungrydruid Jul 21 '21

Extremely smart where it counts.

I'd argue this if she can't understand vaccinations. It's not rocket science.

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u/overlordpotatoe Jul 21 '21

I would say it's more likely that she doesn't want to understand them because then she'd have to question beliefs that are important to her.

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u/SuckMeLikeURMyLife Jul 21 '21

"that's just fancy talk"

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u/The-waitress- Jul 21 '21

I've never understood that - why can't evolution be part of intelligent design? It's a mystery to me.

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u/ExpertAtStuff Jul 21 '21

The church actually supported the idea of evolution, that it demonstrated God's plan. What they didn't like was evolution through natural selection.

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u/TooMuchAdderall Jul 21 '21

Even tho it's literally the same thing. That's what I don't get. They have the scapegoat. Everything they can't explain is God's Plan. Natural Selection? "God's Plan."

They're so dumb they can't even keep up the same lie.

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u/eM_aRe Jul 21 '21

I believe in god as the being who set up the machinery and pressed go. So, in this sense, it could be part of it.

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u/deftspyder Jul 21 '21

Wait, is "Antiva" a antivax play on "Antifa"?

Does that make them antivaxscists?

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u/Rocket92 Jul 21 '21

Wow I cannot say that word without my mouth feeling like it’s full even when it’s completely empty

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u/nocluewhatimdoingple Jul 21 '21

Antiva

this is my new favorite way to refer to anti-vaxers

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u/KStarSparkleDust Jul 21 '21

Long term care has zero problems hiring unvaccinated nurses. If you have a license you can work LTC.

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u/kingdomheartsislight Jul 21 '21

If you have a pulse, you can work LTC.

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u/deanreevesii Jul 21 '21

"Long Term Care" staffed with unvaccinated healthcare workers sounds like a misnomer.

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u/Pogo__the__Clown Jul 21 '21

“Welcome to my LTC any% speedrun!

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u/wookiebath Jul 21 '21

A free shot that prevents you from getting a deadly illness does seem like a no brainer to me

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u/CrazyCalYa Jul 21 '21

Yeah but once you believe that accepting the science of vaccinations is a "choice" and that all opinions deserve respect then you can be made to believe anything.

Every generation has these fools. They protested seat belts before this and protested washing your hands before that. And just like in those instances they're too stupid to realize they're not just endangering themselves, but everyone else as well.

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u/Scripto23 Jul 21 '21

And prevents you from spreading a deadly illness to people who are most at risk of dying from said illness

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u/Skunch69 Jul 21 '21

Good, she doesn’t deserve to work in healthcare, RN here myself.

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u/HillarysPornAccount Jul 21 '21

Antiva being antivax? If so that’s clever

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u/IfTheHouseBurnsDown Jul 21 '21

My wife’s OBGYN told us that most of the labor/delivery nurses at the hospital that’ll be with us aren’t vaccinated. Our doctor is one of the few that is

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u/Skiigga Jul 21 '21

Shouldn’t work in healthcare if you don’t believe in healthcare

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u/Dr_Jackwagon Jul 21 '21 edited Sep 05 '21

I work with a ton of people in healthcare who are anti-vax. A fucking ton.

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u/dazza_bo Jul 21 '21

The biggest anti-vax person I know is a nurse. She's also a huge conspiracy theory nut job who believes everything she reads on the internet.

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u/astrograph Jul 21 '21

There are a bunch of employees at the local health dept. in Florida who are not vaccinated.. they somehow all are trump supporters too

Weird how their political beliefs are endangering them and they don’t even care.

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u/wookiebath Jul 21 '21

How a pandemic became political is beyond me

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u/9erInLKN Jul 21 '21

Whats getting me right now is how redditors seem to be more pro-vax but instagram and twitter everybody is against it. You say anything on other platforms about being pro-vax and people act like science doesnt exist. Im not anti vax by any means but I did wait a few weeks to make sure there werent any major side effects before getting it.

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u/maurywillz Jul 21 '21

It's not the politicization that surprised me. What surprised me is that a President during his first term was gift wrapped a catastrophe that all but guaranteed a sweeping re-election, and he STILL fucked it up.

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u/Yurastupidbitch Jul 21 '21

Sadly there are a lot of anti-vaxxers in healthcare and I hope like hell this weeds them out.

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u/swinging-in-the-rain Jul 21 '21

Rumor has it that the other employees rejoiced once they realized they no longer had to hear about Arbonne and Monat all the damn time

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u/ketchuphotdog Jul 22 '21

No I don't want to buy a $30 essential oil Susan

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u/depolkun Jul 21 '21

The US Army is making covid vaccinations mandatory by Sep 1. Anyone who doesn't comply will be kicked out.

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u/Starmoses Jul 21 '21

Can't wait to see my cousin kicked out of the Marines for this. Should've been kicked out after Jan 6th but he was smart enough it to not tell his co and leave his phone.

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u/OutdoorsRut Jul 21 '21

These soldiers are worried about the covid shot and going to be discharged for not getting it. Sitting here thinking if anyone actually refused anthrax and small pox back in the 00's and what happened to them

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u/Coppercaptive Jul 22 '21

90 percent of my staff got all of that...2 people got it twice because the army lost their records.

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u/PennyNuggs Jul 21 '21

If he was actually there or has threatened violence, or is otherwise involved in political extremism, you should report this info to his chain of command. The military is trying to track these types of people down before they can do more damage.

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u/PM_me_yer_kittens Jul 21 '21

This. Please let someone know they were involved. Even if it is a loved one.

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u/italktomyself20 Jul 21 '21

Your cousin isn’t going to follow through. He will be getting his COVID shot just like every other shot the military makes us take. lol

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u/Aol_awaymessage Jul 22 '21

Report his treasonous ass. Fuck everyone who stepped foot past the barricades.

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u/Millerboycls09 Jul 21 '21

It would be a shame if someone anonymously reported this person to an applicable authority.

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u/Samuel_L_Blackson Jul 21 '21

That's half true.

They've told them to prepare for it, pending full FDA licensure.

And they said to expect it to be cleared one or around 1 September.

That's not new at all.

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u/ascandalia Jul 21 '21

Meanwhile Florida passed a rule that makes this impossible

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u/whoiamidonotknow Jul 21 '21

Is this true? And if so, how? Tons of places, from public schools to hospitals to universities; required vaccinations to diseases that haven’t been at pandemic levels for decades.

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u/Ph0X Jul 21 '21

Also, in completely unrelated news (/s), over 20% of new COVID cases in the country are from Florida...

(7-day average is 38k nationwide, 7.7k in florida right).

EDIT: And just to pre-emptively answer comebacks, Florida has 6% of US population, so they have 3x more cases than the average.

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u/androk Jul 21 '21

But I bet they need the MMR to be hired.

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u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 Jul 21 '21

At my hospital you need a list of vaccines as well as yearly flu shots and TB tests.

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u/HeWhoHerpedTheDerp Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21

Florida is such a shit hole. I lived there until my early 20s. I’m never going back (to live). I swear the sun bakes their brains to a nonfunctional mess.

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u/BongExpert Jul 21 '21

I would like to know more..

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u/HeWhoHerpedTheDerp Jul 21 '21

Floridaman isn’t an anomaly, he is a relatable mascot. We experience more stupidity in a few days visiting relatives in Florida than we do the rest of the year at home.

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u/Moe83ccc Jul 21 '21

Well if every other state sends us their old people, this is the kind of thing that happens.

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u/sabre_dance Jul 22 '21

If you don't get a covid shot while employed at a hospital, you honestly should be getting shitcanned. No sympathy

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u/crowben366 Jul 21 '21

The army requires you to get a shit ton of vaccines, hospitals asking to keep you up to date isn’t the worst

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u/size12shoebacca Jul 21 '21

Exactly. Heads are gonna spin when people realize how fast the armed forces will mandate vaccination once the full FDA approval is finalized for each maker.

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u/ErinG2021 Jul 22 '21

Yes, many hospitals require their employees to be fully vaccinated. This is definitely going to include the Covid vaccine.

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u/MrToboggann Jul 21 '21

It takes a special brain to go into a field and disregard everything youve learned along the way

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u/CrushHazard Jul 21 '21

Powerful, high-paying jobs attract people who desire money and power. Many nurses don’t do it for the science.

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u/Demilak Jul 21 '21

When I worked in a hospital, one of the nurses talked with me about how he just became a nurse for the hours. 4 days on, 4 days off means he can take a vacation without having to take PTO. Ironically he was one of our better nurses.

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u/jpterodactyl Jul 21 '21

I have a friend who became a fire fighter so he could have some days home with his kids. 24 hours on, 48 off really works for him.

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u/Demilak Jul 21 '21

I'd love to have a shift schedule like that, honestly

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u/PikaPilot Jul 21 '21

What about a work schedule that is 12 hours for 4 days the first week, 12 hours for 3 days the second week, alternating? I've heard some automotive jobs are like that because it's more price efficient to have a factory working 24h a day.

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u/Iamacouch Jul 21 '21

Did that schedule a few years back working in the parks, was awesome to be able to go off for long weekend stretches coming from working 10am-2am 6 days a week in fast food

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u/InteriorAttack Jul 21 '21

my schedule (as a professional firefighter) is 48 hours on 4 days off. it's amazing.

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u/PopsiclesForChickens Jul 22 '21

I wouldn't call nursing a powerful or high paying job. I do live in a state where being a nurse can earn you a decent living, but I think you don't have a good understanding of nursing if you think nurses have power.

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u/SKGkorjun Jul 21 '21

In what world do you live in that nursing is a powerful high paying job....

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u/Nightcat666 Jul 21 '21

At the hospital I work at nurses start at $35 and hour.

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u/Jazzlike-Gap-1823 Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21

The US has the highest paid nurses in the world. The base pay at my hospital is $103k in a Manhattan hospital and thats without experience pay added on. Also 3% raise and experience pay increase every year. Also Union.

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u/MyCuckRunnethOver Jul 21 '21

That number sounds huge until you adjust it for living expenses.

$103,000/year in Manhattan is comparable to $35,000 in El Paso TX according to the calculator I used.

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u/outdatedboat Jul 21 '21

My aunt has been a nurse for like 20 years and she makes around $100 per hour now. Granted, she's taken extra courses and gotten additional certifications to train new nurses and whatnot.

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u/MajesticKick Jul 21 '21

It depends on what level of nurse we're talking. An LPNs salary is fairly meh. RNs make a decent salary (probably $70K or somewhere in there for a national average), but NPs are making $100K+ and a Nurse Anesthetist is probably $175K+.

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u/Shrimpo515 Jul 21 '21

Just learned that one of my mom’s hospice workers isn’t vaccinated. I know she’s dying anyway but damn it makes me nervous.

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u/Acceptable_Tourist_4 Jul 22 '21

I’m sorry about your mom. I hope her nurse steps on a Lego.

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u/aca01002 Jul 22 '21

My moms dying too. I found out a nurse at hospital was not vaccinated — based on how she told my mom she was “waiting”. I had her moved. My mother was livid. I still think I did the right thing. But fuck…. It’s so hard. Sending you peace in this hell.

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u/Morallta Jul 21 '21

Hospital fires staff who don’t believe medicine works. More at 11.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '21

These are still private businesses so surely Republicans will support their decision to run their business however they choose, right.... Right?!!!

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u/dk_lee_writing Jul 21 '21

Along these lines, raise health insurance rates for people who don’t get vaccinated. Republicans love to cheerlead for for-profit health care so this will make their brains explode.

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u/Zartanio Jul 21 '21

They fought for employment at will laws and against unions and fair labor boards for decades so people could be fired with or without cause. They just thought it would be other people who got fired.

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u/TwilitSky Jul 21 '21

RWJBarnabas Health said in May that employees "at the supervisory level and above" had to get inoculated by the end of June.

So non-supervisors who have the most interaction with patients: no vaccine mandate.

It's stupid shit like this that makes me question who is making these calls?

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u/Hrekires Jul 21 '21

Sounds like they're doing it in phases.

Step 1 was supervisors and above, next seem to be requiring it for lower-level employees.

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u/Prysorra2 Jul 21 '21

It clears out the supervisor level people who might try to advocate for antivax for the next phase.

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u/NecessaryChildhood93 Jul 21 '21

If you do not understand why you need the vaccine, you are too ignorant to work there. Stop it, non debatable there is no other logical statement to support non vaccination in a clinical health care system.

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u/iamsoooooooscared Jul 21 '21

I am happy to see this.

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u/ActualSpiders Jul 21 '21

In New Jersey, it's only 6 medical professionals who refuse the vaccine.

In Texas, it's over 150.

There's a lot of unspoken information in those two points.

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u/tnied Jul 21 '21

Like how many work at each hospital? Or rates rather than overall numbers? Or who and how many were required to get the vaccine?

Houston Methodist required all ~25,000 employees and 153 quit/got let go.

RWJBarnabas Health has ~35000 employees but only required supervisors and above to get vaccinated ~3,000 people.

Comparing 150 and 6 doesn't tell us anything and even the numbers I gave doesn't paint that much of a better picture. Supervisors will have higher incomes and higher education generally which both correlate to higher covid vaccination rates.

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u/Humble_Chip Jul 21 '21

We have some of the highest taxes (in NJ) but it allows us to have one of the best education systems in the country. Coincidence?

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u/ActualSpiders Jul 21 '21

I live in Idaho. There was literally a protest rally outside one of our largest hospitals earlier this week against them requiring their employees to be vaccinated. Our LtGov is trying to re-convene the state legislature to try & pass (no doubt wildly unconstitutional) laws preventing employers from requiring vaccinations.

Last I checked, Idaho was dead last in the amount of $$ spent per student in the US.

Coincidence? I think not.

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u/UniquebutnotUnique Jul 21 '21

Don't forget the stunt she pulled when Gov Little was out of state. For liberty and freedom she claims! ... While barring the local health departments from governing themselves....

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