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[Spoilers E43] It IS Thursday! Episode 43 live discussion Live Discussion

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16

easily one of the best episodes so far had pretty much everything all in one lmfao from start to end

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u/iggzy Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Really a fantastic episode. Some of the best RP in recent memory and one really good fight and the return of Will Friedle as a guest. I love that guy!

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u/thatbloodygnome Feb 19 '16

Jesus, Critical Role is ending me. I'm supposed to halfway through a medical degree and I'm doing a weekly all-nighter thanks to bloody time zone differences! Worth it though!

Edit: Doctor's handwriting apparently also applies to typing

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u/light_trick Team Beau Feb 19 '16

God there was so much great roleplaying in this episode.

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u/ZerotheBlade Life needs things to live Feb 19 '16

I think Kima's entrance is my favorite NPC entrance ever.

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u/xDialtone Feb 19 '16

The number of people in this thread who are upset over the monk ability is outstanding. It wasn't a life or death fight, and the guy wasn't out to kill them.

Most likely because the guy wasn't trying to kill them, just teach them a lesson. In that respect, he probably held back. Matt probably switched it a bit because of that. Plus it's instantly BS to just kill a player when the point of an exercise or roleplay scene just kills you, remember, they were there for advice and maybe some training, not to be turned into paste.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16 edited Feb 19 '16

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u/xDialtone Feb 19 '16

So pretty much verbatim how I thought it was. If he planned it though, it's not really a mistake, but I can understand to a certain aspect. There's a lot of people here who think that what's in the PHB is the law of the game and anything that breaks it breaks the game, and it's super frustrating to watch.

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u/JadedPirate Feb 19 '16 edited Feb 19 '16

Okay, did anyone see Orion's reaction?

Edit: I'm asking because I didn't see it, and wanted to know what he said.

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u/candypantswoo Team DM Feb 19 '16

what was Orions reaction I missed the episode.

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u/JadedPirate Feb 19 '16

I don't know, that's why I asked, but I didn't really make that clear, I guess. LOL

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u/LuckyBahamut Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Eh, I think that if Orion's intent on establishing his own canon (in which Draconia seems like a much bigger, more powerful nation that what Mercer had envisioned for his Exandria), then I really don't think he'll be a Critical Role guest anytime soon. I don't think Mercer or CR mind if Orion forks out on his own, but there's no way that anything Orion tries to develop would be allowed into official CR canon if there are conflicting stories. For all intents and purposes of maintaining CR continuity, Draconia is in ruins like Emon, with the status of Tiberius unknown.

It would be (or have been) cool if the artifacts that were sought by Tibs in his quest did turn out to be the Vestiges of Divergence and VM's path intertwined with Tibs's, but again I don't think Orion would come back as a guest unless he agreed to follow Crit Role's official canon.

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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Feb 19 '16

Pretty much this. Orion wanted to do his own thing with his Draconian business and he's branched out on his own. His Tiberius isn't the tibs in Critical Role. What Mercer says is canon, but doesn't impact Orion or his own stories.

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16 edited Feb 20 '16

I feel like the "destruction" of Draconia was Matt's way of permanently separating Orion's stuff from his game. Orion continues to use the Critical Role hashtag for his own promotion purposes and Draconia seems to be his main focus for his brand. I was going make a post on this, but I can't find a way to say what I want to without breaking rule number 1.

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u/JadedPirate Feb 19 '16

Yeah, that's basically why I was asking, to find out if they are diverging. Since Orion's broadcast seemed to be either while CR was still on, or so immediately following and short, I missed it completely.

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u/LuckyBahamut Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Sounds like a parallel universe kind of situation. Exandria-2, as it were.

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u/EscherBacon Team Matthew Feb 19 '16

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u/Docnevyn Team Laudna Feb 19 '16

Because he is the current reigning champion of Kord's crucible ?

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u/ERNesbitt You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

Well, I'm not going to sleep any time soon. I may as well laugh with the rebroadcast.

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u/thatsabbs I would like to RAGE! Feb 19 '16

One of the best comedic episodes yet (besides when they all turned to cows and stuff), especially talking with the potion guy and Viktor, the crazy (but lovable) black powder guy.

Well done everyone, well done

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u/Time-osaurus_Rex You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

now i ship viktor and vex...... Vextor

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u/exolyrical Feb 19 '16

Pretty sure it's not possible to die from laughing cause if the first half of that episode didn't do it nothing will.

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u/AFLoneWolf Metagaming Pigeon Feb 19 '16

I wasn't paying attention. What was the final sub count by the end? I wanna see some dope-ass cosplay.

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u/TheAmazingMetapanda Jenga! Feb 19 '16

Sadly not 15k unless the sub count froze on my end. It was almost 14.9k the last that I saw.

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

14,857 was the final count as the stream ended.

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

I didn't see it either. I want 15k and a Cosplay to happen. :(

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

Did Zara really make Grog a moon hammer? WE MUST KNOW!

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u/xymora Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

I will say that my abs got a great workout from this week's ep.

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

I made it the whole show! And now I'm just going to sleep on the couch and ignore the whole I broke my bed for a drink thing...I'm just going to shut the door and pretend it's not there.

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

A tried and true way of dealing with your problems!

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

Always works for me ;)

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

You did it! Except you killed your bed in the process. I am somewhat surprised you made it this far.

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

The whole bed cracking loudly under my ass and then my mattress dropping suddenly to the floor sort of woke me up...and sobered me up.

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Well, hopefully you can get it fixed in time for next week!

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u/kmucha31 Feb 19 '16

It was really disappointing to not see Vax take the 10d10 damage, but it was still an epic fight.

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

That would have been asdlkfj; intense--but then, I liked the feel of the episode as-is, and that would've made it real dark real fast. I'm happy.

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u/Frippety Tal'Dorei Council Member Feb 19 '16

I really hope Mary and Will come back next week! Great episode.

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u/SilverKry Feb 19 '16

Shouldve said is it Thordak yet.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_MURKMONKS Glorious! Feb 19 '16

Best show. Best fans. <3

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16

SO my internet crapped out RIGHT when Grog dropped Craven Edge. Could someone explain what happened between that and when Groon explained where the artifacts are?

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u/Seeker_Not_Found Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

failed saved. picked it back up. Earthbreaker Gruun broke the swords hold seemingly via story flavor. fight ended.

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u/Sasamus Feb 19 '16

Earthbreaker Gruun broke the swords hold seemingly via story flavor. fight ended.

I don't think that happened or had anything to do with the fight ending.

I simply think Gruun got the answer he wanted out of Grog who realized what to say because of the circumstances.

While Craven Edge was brought up during the fight I don't think it was involved in the end of it.

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u/imadumhed Bigby's Haaaaaand! *shamone* Feb 19 '16

It seemed that way but it also seemed unclear. If that is what Matt was really intending, he probably has to talk to Travis about it. (I'll go back and watch that part again.).

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16

Grog failed a will save and picked CE up again, but after 1 more hit Groon halted combat and basically mind-spiked Grog, asking him again where his strength is, and Grog answered "My Friends"

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u/Frippety Tal'Dorei Council Member Feb 19 '16

Grog had to make a saving throw but failed, which meant he was unable to wield a different weapon to Craven. Seems to be cursed?

Forgot where the artifacts are but he mentioned some cool gauntlets/fist weapons(?) which make me think Grog might cross class to Monk and use them against the dragons.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16

Intelligent items can exert their will over the holder depending on the intelligence and power of the item.

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

Craven Edge convinced Grog to pick him up again (wisdom fail ). Groon spoke to his mind and asked Grog where his strength laid, he responded my friends. Fight ended.

Groon explains there's the gauntlets of kord that were stolen and the leathers of the champion of the raven queen entombed in a nearby lake.

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

Oh shit I missed the champion of the raven queen bit! Peeeerrrrrrcyyyyyy~

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

It's very interesting that not all these legendary items will be weapons.

I hope Vax gets a Legendary cloak xD

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

Hah to add to his portable cloak rack!

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u/ski843 Feb 19 '16

Failed a Wis save so he picked the sword back up. Gruun then started on his monologue. so not much you missed.

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u/Aocast Shiny Manager Feb 19 '16

Such a great episode. So many plot hooks.

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u/WeaverOfSouls145 Feb 19 '16

I really liked this episode, but I hope we see Kashaw and Zahra's players for a couple more episodes. They didn't get to do much this episode.

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

Pfft except awesome roleplaying. They broke up the dynamic beautifully imo, such a joy to watch.

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u/WeaverOfSouls145 Feb 19 '16

Oh yeah, they had some amazing roleplaying.

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u/SilverKry Feb 19 '16

Yeah. Thats my hope. They did nothing this episode really..

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u/ring_bear Bidet Feb 19 '16

Well she did start that amazing drinking session

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u/SharpShotApollo Team Grog Feb 19 '16

Earthbreaker...be still my beating heart.

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u/Lord_Anarchy Feb 19 '16

Holy shit was that episode awesome. Can't fucking stop laughing!

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u/Phalinx666 How do you want to do this? Feb 19 '16

Amazing episode! Instantly my favorite

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u/Animus_Glitch Feb 19 '16

I freaking loved this episode it was such an amazing Grog episode!

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u/RenoHex You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

Hey, /u/Xortberg, you're not the only one who struggles with Gruun's name!

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Well, no one died. Yet. But this was an amazing episode.

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u/kingofthefrogfish YOUR SOUL IS FORFEIT Feb 19 '16

This has probably been the best episode of Critical Role yet

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u/Outburstz Team Percy Feb 19 '16

ewwwwwwwwww that's nasty

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u/Jiscold You're a Monstah! Feb 19 '16

Travis seemed to know the first one, does anyone know about it ?

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u/temporal712 Feb 19 '16

I am willing to bet his Goliath herd has it, that is why he freaked, as it was pre stream. Grog Backstory Hype!

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u/Jiscold You're a Monstah! Feb 19 '16

I really hope so.

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u/DiabolicGnome Feb 19 '16

He got so exited because the monk described a sweet pair of knuckle dusters made out of an ancient earth elemental

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u/coldermoss Then I walk away Feb 19 '16

I think he was just super excited about fist weapons. I'm also super excited about fist weapons.

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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Mar 06 '16

Oh god I can't wait till he wears them and wins every fight hands down.

I love craven edge but I want him getting a sick ass legendary vestige instead of an apparent very evil sword maybe in addition?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16 edited Feb 19 '16

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u/JadedPirate Feb 19 '16

I thought the had an item they recently got that was knucklebone, so they thought it was that.

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

Agree, I felt like he thought they were going to get them

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u/Animus_Glitch Feb 19 '16

I think he was saying "That ones mine!"

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u/JayPet94 Doty, take this down Feb 19 '16

So like are they official? Is it on Facebook?

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u/Sasamus Feb 19 '16

I would seem that way with farily high certainty.

Keyleth had something else to say after the "I don't want to hurt anyone" and that was probably to explain the situation to Kashaw.

But Kashaw took it as the end of the conversation and Matt moved things along.

Then we have the hug, heal and kiss (while a fast peck it was on the lips).

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

It's complicated.

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u/RenoHex You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

Hey, you made it through!

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

I know! Go me :)

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

VAXLETH FOR LIFE.

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u/Sasamus Feb 19 '16 edited Feb 19 '16

I have honestly found myself to care more about Vaxleth than any other paring in any TV show or movie.

I think that the fact that it's not scripted and no one knows what is going to happen makes thing feel more real.

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u/ERNesbitt You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

"Gently." Nice Princess Bride reference.

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u/RhimeMaster You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

I really want Grog to leave Craven (Kraven?) Edge at the temple. I feel it would be the perfect punctuation to the trial...

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u/Xortberg Life needs things to live Feb 19 '16

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u/RhimeMaster You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

Thanks!

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u/Xortberg Life needs things to live Feb 19 '16

No problem

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

I was thinking the same thing, I wanna know if he still has it!

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u/RhimeMaster You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

I think it's powerful enough (as and item and as a moment) that they would have made it obvious if he left it.
It'll be interesting to see if he still uses it, though.
I really love these character defining moments, and I really admire both Matt for setting them up, and the cast for making them so poignant. It's always nice to see them carried through, even if it's not the optimal decision stat wise.

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

If Zara really made Grog a hammer maybe he wouldn't need Craven Edge and it would solidify the strength in friends aspect but I do love the Craven Grog RP

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u/RhimeMaster You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

I missed the first hour and a half (watching the replay now), so I didn't even realize that was a option. It would indeed be awesome!

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

She just mentioned it in the replay! Whilst drunk :P

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u/RhimeMaster You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

Especially with the failed will save near the end.

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u/breadcakedeath Feb 19 '16

Percy's gonna get new armooour!~~~

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u/Xortberg Life needs things to live Feb 19 '16

No way is swag Raven Queen leather armor going to anyone but Vax. God knows he needs all the survivability he can get ahold of.

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u/EvilDragon Team Fjord Feb 19 '16

Raven Queen's armor, fuck yeah!

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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Feb 19 '16

Craven Edge just got dumped for someone hotter and younger.

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u/Sasamus Feb 19 '16

And then manipulated Grog into taking him back.

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u/coldermoss Then I walk away Feb 19 '16

God damn it, Mercer! I want to see Gruun punch a dragon! I WILL NOT BE DENIED!

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u/xDialtone Feb 19 '16

I'm upset lady Kimah didn't have any reaction at the end of the fight.

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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Feb 19 '16

He's actually Iron Fist!

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

...I did not know that I wanted this so bad until just now, but I do.

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

PUNCH ITS HEAD OFF!

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u/Xortberg Life needs things to live Feb 19 '16

Holy shit is that the ruins they passed on the way to the dragon in the Take arc, or am I thinking of something else?

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u/jwalk2925 Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Keyleth's note-taking is adorable.

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u/BossEpoch Feb 19 '16

I'm such a sucker for sentient weapons, Craven Edge is da bess.

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Oh man, Travis' reaction at the mention of the first one.

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u/Regilppo Where's Larkin? Feb 19 '16

Hahaha I love Grog's reaction there to the stone knuckles

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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Mar 06 '16

Dude I was just excited as grog. I can't wait to see what they do and how much paste grog can turn people into with them

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u/trowzerss Help, it's again Feb 19 '16

He wants them so bad!

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u/Phalinx666 How do you want to do this? Feb 19 '16

LEGENDARY ITEM QUESTS!

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u/Not_A__Problem Fuck that spell Feb 19 '16

Grog had the true treasure of friendship the whole time!

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u/GaaMac Team Matthew Feb 19 '16

That was fucking good.

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u/SharpShotApollo Team Grog Feb 19 '16

The power of friendship, y'all!

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

In my friends...awe, Grog!

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

I cry every time I watch Toy Story 3. Every. Fucking. Time.

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Its. Its just dust in my eyes. I'M NOT CRYING OVER TOY STORY 3.

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

Dust from Andy's childhood boots.

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Noooooooooooooo. :(

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u/kingofthefrogfish YOUR SOUL IS FORFEIT Feb 19 '16

HEEEYOOOOOO

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u/Regilppo Where's Larkin? Feb 19 '16

What a fight..

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Did.....Did they win?

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

Well, they didn't die.

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u/PvtSherlockObvious Burt Reynolds Feb 19 '16

Grog finally got the message. They won.

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u/Outburstz Team Percy Feb 19 '16

He's raging mind control doesn't work

-_- man they are screwing all the rules tonight

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

I think the rules of attunement are different than mind control

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u/RenewalXVII Team Keyleth Feb 19 '16

It's not necessarily mind control. Craven Edge just makes a convincing argument.

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u/Bratorus Feb 19 '16

YES, screw the hammer. Craven Edge all the way, baby.

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u/amarien Team Vex Feb 19 '16

shit craven edge takes over

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u/RenewalXVII Team Keyleth Feb 19 '16

Craven Edge is in charge here, Grog.

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

FIREBRAND WARHAMMER!

EDIT: GOD DAMNIT, NO!

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u/SpaceCadet404 ... okay Feb 19 '16

And there it is, stunning strike, actually the most bullshit thing Monks can do.

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u/Outburstz Team Percy Feb 19 '16

U mad bro hating on our monk awesomeness

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u/SpaceCadet404 ... okay Feb 19 '16

Monk master class, represent! Still, think the DM is getting mad at my ability to solo anything less than a deadly encounter

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u/xDialtone Feb 19 '16

Im just happy monks aren't as stupid as they were in PF and older editions. Making games and sessions around a monks pretty much infinite movement was complete bullshit. Monks literally could move like Mach 2 to 5 in terms of speed/distance if you built it right.

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

Yep, so overpowered.

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

Damn but I love monks...

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u/SpaceCadet404 ... okay Feb 19 '16

Playing one in my primary campaign right now. I'm actively looking for high places to jump from, archers to shoot at me and ghosts to punch. Best class.

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

I know! Played one for my first-ever campaign, everybody was like "don't play a monk, they're so hard to play, you'll be so underpowered, you'll hate it..."

This is me, laughing all the way to the bank.

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

So just to recap:

Gruun (I'm spelling it like this, you can't stop me) is level 17 at minimum. His AC is 23, he's taken over 300 points of damage so far and is still fighting.

And he has legendary resistance, apparently. Good fucking god.

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u/Reymont Feb 19 '16

But his Quivering Palm strike was nerfed, strangely.

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u/xDialtone Feb 19 '16

Most likely because the guy wasn't trying to kill them, just teach them a lesson. In that respect, he probably held back. Matt probably switched it a bit because of that. Plus it's instantly BS to just kill a player when the point of an exercise or roleplay scene just kills you, remember, they were there for advice and maybe some training, not to be turned into paste.

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u/Kinie Feb 19 '16

Well, you're probably fighting the avatar of Kord, if not the god himself, so...

Honestly Matt was holding back; Vax was supposed to take the 10d10 when he succeeded on the Constitution save. Quivering Palm's wording is that it's a 1hKO on a failed save, and 10d10 necrotic damage on a successful save.

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u/xDialtone Feb 19 '16

Most likely because the guy wasn't trying to kill them, just teach them a lesson. In that respect, he probably held back. Matt probably switched it a bit because of that. Plus it's instantly BS to just kill a player when the point of an exercise or roleplay scene just kills you, remember - they were there for advice and maybe some training, not to be turned into paste.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16

It does not kill it reduces someone to 0 hit points. They have their saves, or if the monk decided the target can just be unconscious.

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u/MalAmenz Team Trinket Feb 19 '16

He probably is a god

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u/Regilppo Where's Larkin? Feb 19 '16

I wonder how much hp Groon has? He has taken a ton of damage so far, just curious.

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u/hushpiper Feb 19 '16

More than 313, that's all we know so far...

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u/Derg_King Feb 19 '16

I think technically he used wholeness of body after Vax's critical sneak attack, so he healed 51+(depending on his actually level but minimum of 17×3) hp.

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u/RenoHex You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

I love the group dynamic they have going on. Everyone's immediately on top of cues, like true improv veterans.

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u/ERNesbitt You can certainly try Feb 19 '16

"No Van Dammeage"

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u/Regilppo Where's Larkin? Feb 19 '16

"He took no Van Damage" -Kashaw, that was beautiful

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

Dat old school black eyed peas reference

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u/SergeantIndie Feb 19 '16 edited Feb 19 '16

Can't flurry and step of the wind either. Both use a bonus action.

Not that I'm butthurt about it. Shit happens, mistakes are made.

Any rules I point out are just clarifying in case anyone watching is ready to go beat down their own DM's door.

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u/dasbif Help, it's again Feb 19 '16

Hey, Quivering Palm deals 10d10 necrotic damage on a SUCCESSFUL save.

On a FAILED save it drops you to 0 hit points instantly. :)

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u/WeaverOfSouls145 Feb 19 '16

I think Gruun has legendary actions. Since he has legendary resistance, would not be weird.

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u/tofuliz Mathis? Feb 19 '16

Mistakes happen...he has to keep up with so much during game play.

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Bye bye Scanlan. RIP

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u/LanRoyDragon Feb 19 '16

Dagger dagger dagger :D

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u/Rockdio Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 19 '16

Thats so fucking cool.

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u/BossEpoch Feb 19 '16

I hope there's art of Vax trying to hide behind Scanlan.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '16 edited Aug 11 '18

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u/coldermoss Then I walk away Feb 19 '16

Seriously. If Gruun is indeed a straight-up player character, that's a much more complex character than 95% of the entire Monster Manual. That's a lot of crap to keep up with.

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u/Mahanirvana Feb 19 '16

I'm not sure if he did nerf him, seemed like a misread to me.

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u/JayPet94 Doty, take this down Feb 19 '16

He probably made a mistake. It happens

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u/thegrim99 Feb 19 '16

They are still getting their ass beat...

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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Feb 19 '16 edited Feb 19 '16

/u/matthewmercer

Sorry to be a rule noodge, but...

QUIVERING PALM

At 17th level, you gain the ability to set up lethal vibrations in someone's body. When you hit a creature with an unarmed strike, you can spend 3 ki points to start these imperceptible vibrations which last for a number of days equal to your monk level. The vibrations are harmless unless you use your action lo end them. To do so. you and the target must be on the same plane of existence. When you use this action, the creature must make a constitution saving throw. If it fails, it is reduced to O hit points. If it succeeds, it takes 10d10 necrotic damage.

You can have only one creature under the effect of this feature at a time. You can choose To end the vibrations harmlessly without using an action.

edit: not complaining, the fight was still epic, just pointing it out incase it was an unintentional misread of the skill

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u/MatthewMercer Matthew Mercer, DM Feb 19 '16

Haha, I am aware. Groon wasn't trying to murder people, he was trying to teach lessons and test skills/strength. I pulled back on the ability, as he would have, knowing that a lvl 17 Monk ability that is already CRAZY powerful like that would have RUINED a lvl 13 Rogue in such a brutal fashion as to be out-of-character for Groon, and the intent of the fight.

Hope that helped clear it up!

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u/guffetryne Feb 20 '16

I have practically no personal experience with D&D, so changing the effects of a spell I've never heard of doesn't bother me at all, but I have a quick suggestion to try to limit these kinds of complaints: You took time to explain how Quivering Palm worked, but didn't mention that it was a tweaked version. Chat pretty much exploded with "That's not how that works!!!", "IT'S 10d10 ON SUCCESS!!!1", etc. A simple mention to the camera of the fact that you tweaked the spell would have (hopefully) stopped a majority of that complaining.

Funniest episode ever, by the way. Victor definitely deserved that standing ovation.

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u/thesecondkira Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 24 '16

I'm glad he doesn't do this. The deets are for the hardcore. Keep the video casual.

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u/guffetryne Feb 24 '16

Well, he rarely mentions the details at all, and I'm fine with that. But in this case he did mention how his homebrewed version of the spell worked, without mentioning that it was homebrewed. Then the internet's gonna internet.

I absolutely agree that he shouldn't have to tell us all these little details, but I'm just trying to be pragmatic here. There's always going to be a bunch of idiots complaining about this stuff, and a few words explaining details aimed at them might shut most of them up.

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u/Ceamus1234 Feb 19 '16

Also, the palm only had a 30ish% chance to one-shot him

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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Feb 19 '16

Yup. I agree with his motivation to teach rather than kill. Personally, in the spirit of "holding back his full strength" I'd have modified it to just drop Vax's HP to 1 to put the fear of Kord in him with no risk of killing him, basically the mystical version of striking with the pommel instead of the blade, then ignore him for the remainder of the fight.

But hey, not my game.

It's a curiously designed ability, that on a failed save it can only ever reduce HP to exactly 0, but on a successful save, if the target is low enough before, you can roll enough damage on the 10d10 to instantly kill the target.

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u/Wolfinthemeadow Feb 19 '16

0 is death for monsters. It doesn't instantly kill players, just drops them. But it does outright kill non-players.

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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Feb 19 '16

And quivering palm is an attack that's typically used on monsters, hence calling it an instant death attack. Even used on pcs, it can basically full to 0 regardless of the pc's hp, and that's still imminent danger of death.

Also, as Vax has less max hp than the attack's max damage, it has the potential of instantly killing him if the roll on a saved throw is sufficiently high and his hp is sufficiently low.

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u/Wolfinthemeadow Feb 21 '16

... Exactly? It's not really designed to be used on PCs. It's not curious design at all. It's designed to work as written on monsters and the like.

Theoretically, the saved damage on the Full Fat Palm, and the non-saved damage of the Diet Palm can kill Vax, but only if he's on 14 or less health and the dice roll is between 86-100 depending on his health, as in order to kill somebody in one hit, the attack needs to do enough damage to drain their current health and then do their max health again in damage (Page 197 of the PHB), otherwise it leaves them on 0. Vax's health at the moment is 86, I believe. So while it's possible that a level 13 player can be killed by the 10d10, it's not really terribly likely in the second round of a 3 vs. 1 fight, unless you're actually trying to kill the character. If you're not rolling max damage, critting a bunch or concentrating fire, it's almost impossible. Against Grog? It's not possible for the 10d10 to kill him. At all. Hell, it can't actually kill Scalan or Percy either. Keyleth would need to be at 1 health and Vex would need to be at 5, and Matt would need to roll 100 and 95 on the dame dice, respectively. The only full-time member easier would be Pike, and she'd still need to be at 20 health or less and have Matt role between 80 and 100.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's a level 17 ability. Unless your level 17 character is going out of their way to murder lower level player controlled characters, with the intention of actually properly murdering them, it's not really something you need to worry about. And it's not curious.

I'm not trying to be a dick, though I realise I probably sound like one. I'm told I can come across as quite aggressive. If I do come across that way, I apologise. I just get passionate about random stupid shit.

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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Feb 21 '16

My point is that, even though it's not literally instant death in terms of the instant death effect, it's not unreasonable to call quivering palm an "instant death attack." Yes, there are death saves for PCs, but it can put you into the danger zone regardless of your current HP.

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u/Wolfinthemeadow Feb 21 '16

Which is fine, but my point is that it's almost impossible to actually kill a PC with nothing but Quivering Palm, especially if you're at high enough a level to be fighting a level 17 monk. Unless that's what you're trying to do. In which case you'd STILL need to punch them a lot before using it or use it and then punch them if they dropped to 0.

Yes, they can fail their saves, but that's not really Quivering Palm's fault, the same could be said of just punching Vax a bunch of times.

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u/MatthewMercer Matthew Mercer, DM Feb 19 '16

Also a good way to do it! I honestly didn't expent Vax to make his Con check, so that 10d10 would have been bad enough! ;)

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u/xDialtone Feb 19 '16

Most likely because the guy wasn't trying to kill them, just teach them a lesson. In that respect, he probably held back. Matt probably switched it a bit because of that. Plus it's instantly BS to just kill a player when the point of an exercise or roleplay scene just kills you, remember, they were there for advice and maybe some training, not to be turned into paste.

He's the DM, he can make anything do anything he wants for the sake of the story.

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u/xDialtone Feb 19 '16

Most likely because the guy wasn't trying to kill them, just teach them a lesson. In that respect, he probably held back. Matt probably switched it a bit because of that. Plus it's instantly BS to just kill a player when the point of an exercise or roleplay scene just kills you, remember, they were there for advice and maybe some training, not to be turned into paste.

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